Post in this thread if Fates killed your interest in Fire Emblem.
While Awakening and Fates pander to waifu-fags and turned the Fire Emblem fanbase into a bunch of weeaboo faggots who've only played the 3DS entries, they're still both good games.
>>345267095
Awakening killed my interest in Fire Emblem.
Fates: Conquest revitalized my interest in it since they showed that they can still deliver solid gameplay through the waifu shit if they actually try.
>It's a I never bought a Fire Emblem game or supported the developers because I played all of them through emulation and still I have the gall to be offended when the series panders to waifufags to survive episode
6-10 killed it since Japan hates it but likes the characters enough to have Ike be #1 because of the GAY COMMUNITY and fujo community. 4 is the pinnacle of the game.
>>345268113
This.
>>345267095
It did for me. Awakening is literally the reason I bought my 3ds. I was so hype. Put in 200 hours.
Then Fates comes along. All this censorship bullshit. Figure at least I can enjoy the game right? No. The story is so fucking shit that I can't even enjoy it. It's not rocket science, just make it about reclaiming a kingdom or overthrowing a corrupt king. It's fucking pansy ass shit that makes harem anime protags cringe.
Conquest maps are good, but not enough to carry the game and make me want to finish it.
Fire emblem is dead to me now.
>>345268678
Japan also consider's 3 to be the "fan favorite" so you can't exactly take their opinions too seriously.
>>345267095
Awakening killed my interest in Fire Emblem. Or, rather, in my interest in future Fire Emblem games. Fates being more of the same just ensured it would stay dead.
>>345269498
3 is the best selling FE game
I put hundreds of hours into Awakening but couldn't even force myself to finish the story of Fates. I regret buying the special edition.
>all that censorship and awful localization worse than RD
>sold in 3 parts for max shekels
I don't even feel like pirating it.
Waifushit is killing japanese vidya
fire emblem is the prime example of this
there are waifu games, they have existed forever, why can't they just keep the waifus to themselves? stop infected good games and ruining sereies
>>345270380
>Husbandoshit is killing japanese vidya
Fixed
Fates sucked because it pandered to women, not waifufags.
>>345270889
it's the same shit
>>345270969
Hardly.
>>345270889
>waifushit is okay, but husbandoshit is not
I am having a laff right now.
>>345270889
>>345270969
Different target audience, but it's the same shit and the same results.
Women don't even have husbandos. That's gays. Women have bishies. Get your shitposting right.
>>345268113
This. Though the dragon vein gimmick shit can go, or atleast take a backseat in favor of more ballista/magic orb style devices. But if they can keep this level of map design/gameplay and actually write a decent plot, i can live with waifushit
>>345267095
It didn't.
But it rekindled my interest in learning Japanese.
I just want a spin-off where I can customize each character.
Or just play default characters.
No support conversation bullshit, but marriage , children and support boosts would still be good.
>>345267095
Awakening and Fates aren't terrible games, but I don't like the direction the series is going. Unbreakable weapons lessen the need for resource management, and emphasis on supports/pairing up impairs characterization by isolating support convos from the general story. Basically less investment makes the games feel kind of soulless.
The writing and plot are pretty mediocre compared to older games. Hell, even FE10 with the Micaiah and the Dawn Brigade is better than the drivel in Fates.
>>345267095
>post to out yourself as a casual who thought Conquest wasn't a massive step up in gameplay
If we got three Awakening grinding routes instead of 2, THEN the series would truly be dead.
>>345270220
Yeah but if you add it all up it's twice as long.
Buy one route and you can get the other 2 half off.
Yeah it's twice the price of a normal game to get all 3 routes, but it has twice the content too.
>>345267095
>Advanced Wars died for this
>>345270380
fire emblem was always waifu shit. all the way down to the first one.
>>345272519
Unbreakables are fine if you cant just buy a whole bunch of them, its still la resource management, just in a different fashion. This current system could work, just needs tweaking. Pair ups another thing that in its current form, i think its fine, its not nearly as broken as awakenings pair up was for example. The biggest problem with it is the general downward turn supports took, but thats mostly due to eugenics shit than anything, remove that and we might be okay again.
Writing/plot are definite step downs, theres no excuse for it, FE hasnt ever been super deep and involving in a narrative sense but these past couple games have been a real stand out in quality, even FE10 as you said had more shining moments then both these games combined, and that plot was a mess.
>>345273006
Waifu's werent a focal/selling point for it however til awakening sold like hotcakes
>>345271410
bishie is just a short term for pretty bishounen boy.
Get YOUR shitposting right.
>>345271147
>that attack with Felicia
Holy fucking shit.
>>345272813
Langrisser, Growlanser and Tactics Ogre don't cost $80.
Are there anymore cool war-based strategy RPGs from Japan?
FFT, Fire Emblem, Langrisser, and Tactics ogre can't be the only ones, right?
>>345273603
What is your point exactly? That you're a poorfag who's incapable of spending $80 on games?
I want to bear my child inside Micaiah
>>345273603
They would if they came out today anon.probably, fuck vidya
>>345267095
Posting because Awakening killed my interest in one of my favorite franchises by introducing waifushit.
Fates is close due waifushit, shame because it doesn't seem to be that cancerous.
>>345267095
Fate's jewy $80 scheme did it. The localization didn't help though
>>345273752
More like not willing.
>>345273751
Suikoden 2 off thetop of my head "kind of" S/TRPG genre was already kind of a niche brand, now its all but dead. Theres advance wars too i guess
>>345273603
They're also not fire emblem.
Either way all of fates has at least twice as much content as the typical fire emblem.
Arguing that it costs more is a moot point because you dont have to buy it all.
>>345273891
what are you implying
>>345273867
I don't get this sentiment when waifushit has fuck all to do with the actual gameplay.
It doesn't come up in tactics. Skip the supports with romantic bents that don't interest you. This is hardly the series where it matters.
>>345274058
Too bad twice the content doesnt mean much when the content is poor compared to its past entries. Just because its there doesnt mean its good.
I'm stuck at Lunatic chapter 5 of awakening. I even have 2 different runs. One where Robin is level 20 and kills everything due to 19 defense plus pairing, but everyone else is shit. Another one where 5 characters are all well rounded but get absolutely destroyed by most enemies. In both cases I can't grind a bit because the enemies on the map have fucking silver weapons and rush you. Chapter 5 has 2 characters I must save too but someone always dies.
Send help!
>>345274276
Lunatic awakening is pure RNG bullshit anon, i wouldnt do it unless you dont mind grinding your way out of any difficulty
>>345273751
Langrisser, Growlanser, Front Mission, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre, Valkyria Chronicles
Other than Devil Survivor most good SRPGs involve war. Which isn't surprising considering the origins of the genre.
>>345274182
As lots of people have posted in here, Conquest is the one agreed as worth the money and with gameplay that holds up as a top tier entry into the series.
>>345273891
>implying jews are behind this
>>345274336
Nah Lunatic on Awakening isn't too bad.
Lunatic+ on the other hand is the epitome of RNG bullshit.
>>345274123
It became the focus and used to get sales... And guess what happened.
>>345273006
>The apologist defense 101.
Leeeeeet me guess, you also say all pokemon gens have shitty/stupid designs when people complain about neopokemon designs.
>>345267095
Betting this thread is pure AIDS. I haven't even looked at any replies yet.
>>345274393
That's conquest, one part of the game, you said all of fates anon. 1/3rd of it beign good does not justify it being worth the entire price
>>345274465
You're right, i was thinking of + with its stupid random gimmick skills. Fucking counter at chapter 2
>fates killed fire emblem
Fire Emblem died when it introduced Lilith but made her unplayable.
>>345274276
Just use your 19 defense Robin to kill everyone. What's the issue?
>>345274468
IDK what them deciding to save the series with slightly more appealing art and bringing back marriage which was a feature in past FE games has to do with the fact that the core gameplay is the same.
Kill off all the female characters if you want, I have yet to hear an argument as to how attractive females have changed what the series is especially when the last game took away the grinding BS and gave a traditional FE experience.
>>345273891
Japan is actually cool with the split version since inflation made the whole thing cheaper than a console game there
>>345267095
Hi. Awakening did that first, though i played it some. Not falling for the fates meme however.
>>345274734
Conquest being a legit good FE game isnt a meme anon. Whether thats worth dropping money on is up to you but it is a step in the right direction for the series, so long as you pay no attention to plot
>>345267095
Working on a hack but Fates certainly lowered my respect for IS
Holy fuck, that story was shit and I am this close to giving up on Revelation
I can waifu without a problem, but I don't like the multiple versions of the same game shit. I like to hang onto my shekels, thank you very much.
>>345274926
It takes 3 games to give out something subpar.
Nah son, not worth dropping whatsoever.
>>345274697
Maribelle and Ricken will die. I want her for my team.
I have no idea how I'll level up the team when all of them die so easily. I need to reclass/promote Robin too before enemies overpower her.
>>345275119
If "subpar" means best FE game since Path of Radiance with a much harder difficulty than PoR, then sure Conquest is subpar, congrats on saving money.
Y'know for selling 3 different versions with the premise you will get to experience the story differently each time, the story sure does suck balls. I chose Noir to be a bad guy for once, but my character is just another generic anime cuck who wants everyone to get along. Not to mention the dialogue is horrible, the worst localization I have personally experienced.
>>345274706
>slightly more appealing art
>Lacking the capacity to differentiate between waifubait and female characters.
C'mon anon, as part of FE Fandom (take it as you want), you should know better.
>>345275119
Not seeing what you mean there, you dont even have to touch the other shitty routes for what is the series best in map design/gameplay. Now is it worth buying all 3? Fuck no
>>345275197
Rescue staff anon, use it
>>345275197
pair them up, rescue them, then put them in a corner.
>>345274468
>all pokemon gens have shitty/stupid designs
that's not wrong though, just entirely subjective.
Linde, Minerva, Sheeda, Palla, Catria, Est, Maria, Lena, and that's just the first game. Do you honestly think waifu wars didn't exist back then? Especially with FE4, they only difference is now you have a self insert to marry her. Which isn't a bad thing because eugenics.
>>345274276
>>345275197
Use the water trick to get Robin some extra levels in the prologue and just use her paired up with Chrom (and only those two) for the entire game. (This means FeMU for better support bonus). Make her a Sorc and just Nosferatu the entire game.
>>345275114
It's not the same game. It's more closer to three separate games with 20 new maps in each. How the fuck have you not even done basic research?
>>345275197
Pair up Maribell and Ricken
Use the rescue staff you got from Donny's gaiden
Pray you have been using your staff bot to get D rank
???
PROFIT
>>345275245
Fun fact: PoR was a shit game with shonen-tier story and gameplay easier than Sacred Stones.
>>345275353
because I tuned out as soon as I heard that it was going to take them 3 games to tell one story.
>>345275260
>FE
>Playing the bad guy
Anon i fucking wish, even if mc became the worst generic bad guy in the history of FE bad guys id have loved the fuck out of that cheesy nonsense. Instead its a "well change things from the inside" with the dumbest band of retards to do it
>>345275114
Ok then just buy conquest. 1 Game for the price of one game.
>>345273752
All those games feature alternate routes. I think
>>345275496
IDK what went wrong with you that you need a fucking Tolstoy novel from an anime tactics RPG.
>>345267095
nah but 4 did what a shit game
>>345275245
>Best FE game since PoR
Opinion discarded. PoR was get Ike to stomp everything.
Even then, a friend was playing through conquest so I disagree. It just takes what awakening did and improved it, and i did not like awakening gameplay at all. Maps are cool looking though.
>>345275313
>>345275289
>rescue staff
Am I missing something? Where so I even get one that soon? I can only buy heal staves.>>345275331
>Use the water trick to get Robin some extra levels in the prologue and just use her paired up with Chrom (and only those two) for the entire game. (This means FeMU for better support bonus). Make her a Sorc and just Nosferatu the entire game.
She is level 20 already. And what's the point of clearing the game with those 2? I just want to have fun with a new team. Am I being retarded in expecting Lunatic to be fun?
>>345275670
There's a chest containing a Rescue Staff in Donnel's Paralogue.
>>345275670
anon why are you playing lunatic if you clearly havent even beaten the game. 1st paralogue where you get donnel, what's in that chest?
As for why the single pair, because awakenign is balanced like hot garbage and favors as small a team of overpowered units paired to mow down any opposition, using sol/nosferatu if you want to remove all challenge
>>345275513
Seriously, most characters are so shallow and have no legitimate reason to fight alongside you at all.
>>345275445
OK but it has one of the best stories relative to the other Fire Emblem games and Path of the Blue Flame has one of the best gameplay in the series
>>345275670
>Am I being retarded in expecting Lunatic to be fun?
No you're a lunatic.
And the point is because support bonuses and thanks to the Veteran skill she'll grow at a huge rate. It's literally the best way to clear it.
>>345275836
>favors as small a team of overpowered units
All the fire emblems are like that.
>>345275836
>sol/nosferatu
wew
>>345275645
It took out the two biggest defining factors of Awakening's gameplay from the series; grinding and massive pair up bonuses/ enemies incapable of pairing up, so I have no idea what it has in common with what Awakening did.
Please don't fucking talk to someone who's played the game if you experience is looking over your friend's shoulder and forming an opinion that you decide to trot out as informed.
>>345267095
>Post in this thread if Fates killed your interest in Fire Emblem.
nah, my interest in fire emblem was killed when they gave up on the pixel art style from the gba games. i just can't get into the 3D bullshit the same way
>>345275884
I can understand the siblings/retainers because they follow the siblings, beyond that yeah, fuck motivations.
>>345275928
Yes but awakening makes chapters completely unbeatable if you dont only run with 2-3 support pairs because the enemies level spike every chapter to the point spreading exp is pointless
>>345275931
Meant either or, either will make your character nigh unkillable, both makes you retardproof
>>345273603
>>345273751
Narm best girl.
>>345275331
No it isn't.
As an example: geodude was retarded, muk was ugly as fuck and ponyta is unoriginal.
It doesn't change the fact that over the gens the amount of those augmented which neopokemon dickriders likes to deny.
With FE, you just multiplied a minority of shit posters x10.
The only thing that isn't ruined are husbandos because are talked with irony.
There aren't people claiming husbandos without irony, right?
I didn't like how hard they nerfed everything in Fates, which is why I didn't buy it. Also, TMS #FE is a load of garbage.
>>345276254
They didnt nerf any thing that really didnt need to be nerfed though anon, worst thing fates did nerf was was make dragonstone a piece of shit beyond early tanking/giving magic builds some form of damage source.
>>345276165
Not defending the shallowness of some characters but In Fates it's implied the two continents are at war before the story begins, and most of the people who join you are already a part of the army.
Not exactly a stretch that they join a force loaded with royal siblings of the nation they protect.
>>345276254
Why didn't you buy Tsubasa's geimu though?
>>345275961
I've played every emblem but fates. Please don't act like FE is some kind of game where it is button intensive. It's a strategy RPG.
I like the gameplay of the older emblems, i didn't get into this thread to argue "i like this so you should like it too" with random anons.
I just put my post down and that was my intention to leave it at that, have a good night.
>>345276214
Nigger its a fucking fujo franchise.
>>345276407
off top of my head keaton/kaden/nyx all join up just because
>>345275670
The problem isn't that you expected Lunatic to be fun, it's that you wanted Awakening to be fun. At this point it's really your fault, you should have known better.
>>345276417
I don't even know what button intensive means in response to that post, I was just saying how Conquest fixed the two biggest flaws of Awakening.
You had no response to that and just want me to be nice to you about it. Good night anon.
>>345276165
>completely unbeatable
While it's alot harder than using just a few really good pairs, it's certainly possible, you can even beat Lunatic+ with a full team.I did. Virion was my MVP, thanks to be bowlocked.
>>345276807
It was a bit of an exaggeration on my partthough i got to around chapter 9-10 before throwing in the towel myself, chapter 2-5 of L+ already made me reset so much i mighta broke one of the shoulder buttons
>>345268548
Where is your proof?
gotta post
>>345276951
Yeah the beginning is the hardest so I don't blame you.
>>345277126
It wouldnt even be that terrible if the units the game gives you in chapter 2 are not the definition of dead weight. Stahl/Sully/Vaike in particular. Least Miriel/Virion are good ranged fire/damn near vital in some areas
>>345276807
>While it's alot harder than using just a few really good pairs, it's certainly possible, you can even beat Lunatic+ with a full team. I did. Virion was my MVP, thanks to be bowlocked.
You either used bonus/online content or you played with resetting (i.e. not ironman).
>>345271147
how
>>345267095
i actually kind of liked FE13
FE14 was just pure trash from the start
Nah, Awakening killed my interest in the future of the series. I really fucking tried to give it a chance, but even after 30 hours I just can't muster up the interest to try finishing it.
>>345277548
Because numbers scare women so she was basing all her moves on what face the character makes, hence the retarded felicia move
The censorship did. I'm sick of NoA's cowardice.
>>345277712
>>345277410
Nah Stahl is pretty good too, he can get pretty damn tanky and Luna make him even better.
It's just the beginning is so bullshit, but it mellows out a little eventually, and I dont even mean store/dlc
>>345277541
Nah I reset like a bitch. Let a few die, but I would reset if more than 1/3rd of the enemies had counter or BS skill combinations like Luna+ and hawkeye.
>>345277705
t. cancer that doesn't care about the gameplay
>>345277929
That's what i meant, the beginning could be much less bullshit if they actually started durable, none of hem can take more than 1 hit, hell vaike/miriel/i think stahl or sully cant even take the 1 hit, the beginning could be much much smoother if they just started with proper stats
>>345277887
>>345278209
They call it Frederick emblem for a reason.
>>345278041
To me IS was incredibly considerate in even making Conquest what it was and even acknowledging traditional FE fans still existed.
The series would still sell the same if all 3 routes were like Awakening, because most of the 3DS audience wouldn't know there's an alternative to grinding or open field maps.
They at least tried gameplay wise and it really sucks that Treehouse butchered the reputation of all 3 parts of the game on /v/.
>>345278301
No shit, doesnt make the stat any less bullshit, just saying a minor increase in starting stats coulda made lunatic/+ a much less taxing and overall agonizing experience. There is nothing fun in resetting constantly hoping the units who get luna+/counter are the ones you want, or having half your starting team be walking casualities
>>345273756
I wonder if they kissed afterward
>>345267095
Fates actually gave me hope for FE. Sure, Awakening shit will forever persist, but stuff like Conquest will continue on too. And hopefully with a better story.
>>345278793
I wouldnt be positive about the map design and whatnot staying anon, while CQ/BR sold about equally, theyll either go full jew and keep doing this red/blue game shit, or theyll pick 1 side to pander to, and you know which side that will end up being.
I may not pick up future entries in the series, but I'll atleast finish buying the other titiles. I have all the GBA ones, the gamecube one, both Super Famicom games, and Shadow Dragon for the DS, and Awakening. I may as well just get the others and call it a day.
>>345279130
>Shadow Dragon for the DS
I sure hope you pirated that POS.
>>345270021
>Fates being more of the same
stopped reading there
Awakening and Fates made me interested in the series, don't know why some old nerds are upset.
>>345279002
Tying it into difficulty would be the best way to get it onto a game with one version; Normal mode opens up grinding, Hard closes them down.
Maybe save the really well designed maps for a postgame campaign ala Hector Hard Mode.
>>345279414
Fuck you that was a good solid game.
>>345279676
Ideally that's what theyd do, I just cant see them being smart enough to do so. Even thoguh by all rights, this is the time IS should be bringing their A game back to the series, now that it has a proper budget and backing
>>345279002
I'm staying hopeful. They likely won't go for a CQ/BR split for a while, but things like >>345271147 prove that as long as you provide a broken-ass unit and casual/phoenix mode, even the lowest of plebs can still beat it. Ironically, phoenix could be the salvation of the series. Keep the challenging and thoughtful maps in, but give casuals an easy mode so they can beat it.
>>345279676
Eh, I'd prefer they just give you the option to grind, and different difficulties produce more enemies or give them more skills. You can always not grind if the maps are designed around not grinding.
>>345280983
true enough, i always forget pheonix mode is a thing, so maybe you're right.
