>Damage nerfed
>HP dropped to 175
Wen will his suffering end?
I thought he got a buff in the ptr
So when would you ever use him over Ana in a second support slot now.
With his 200hp he was 100% viable. Fuck.
>>345266325
Last news was Discord/Harmony orb speed increased, 200 total HP (150 shields), and 200% movespeed on Transcendence.
>>345266325
Yes he was good almost take him over Lucio good.
So they had to fuck his shit up.
>>345266459
http://masteroverwatch.com/news/39-ptr-mini-patch-july-14-2016
noooope
>>345266631
You realize that doesn't include the changes they already implemented. Everything that guy said was also true.
>>345266631
His hp is still 200
>>345266820
it's not the last news though, there have been changes since then.
>>345266820
IIRC devs said on a stream his HP was getting nerfed to 175.
>>345266907
Fair point
>>345266946
I'm surprised at that, there's still absolutely no reason to pick him in tournament play. He doesn't heal 5 people or rez them. Lucio/Mercy is still going to be every team.
>health reduced
>in the PTR
like it matters
>>345266946
Isn't that fine though? I mean shields are pretty good
>>345266428
This
200 hp wasn't a stretch. Especially for the least picked character ever.
TIME TO END HIS SUFFERING
>>345267106
Yeah, the changes in the server they use to test things before they go live totally doesn't matter.
>Make Zen viable
>lol nose changed our minds
Fuck this
Why the FUCK are they nerfing Zenyatta when this fat piece of shit still exists? Shift + LMB + melee still kills more than half of the cast by doing a combo that a literal child could do. What the fuck are these dumbasses thinking?
>>345266428
People still don't understand that Zen has to stand and fight flankers if he wants to live unlike every other fucking support.
Lucio and Mercy can just run off Ana has her sleep dart and the 175 damage combo with it if she's wants to go for it.
>McCree is broken beyond belief in the PTR
>lol lets nerf Zen again
>>345267483
Look, as much as i love this game you really shouldn't expect much in terms of balancing. Blizzard has made it incredibly clear in the past 10 years that they can't balance any game worth shit.
>>345267538
>McCree is broken beyond belief in the PTR
>He's literally just a worse Soldier now instead of The Worst Character
>broken beyond belief
How bad do you even have to be?
>>345267098
He helps counter an ult a little better than lucio, beyond that he's really a glass cannon dps character with some support traits.
Between his Discord Orb, high damage, and no drop off, he's really built to be just on the edge of sight, plucking away at key targets while watching important allies for heals. With his faster ult, it's easier for him to rush in from the back and shutdown a counter attack, then dive out of sight again to let his shields recharge him.
So no, he has no support role in the meta. Maybe as a long distance dps/ second support, but he's a weird pick that is both easy to target, and once dead removes ALL ORBS, meaning he can't risk prolonged time out in the open to keep his orbs up, and can't make crazy risky plays to plac them since his death negates any progress made.
He's the best pub stopper though, absolutely savage
>>345266190
>Complaining about Blizzard whack a mole balance style in a Blizzard game
KeK
>>345267702
if you can't distinguish the difference between constant tracking and having to headshot someone once, maybe you should find a different game to play
>>345267702
>can 2 shot people from half way across the map
Yes there's nothing wrong with him
>>345267702
>one/two shots nearly the entire cast with a mercy
>lol he's bad
>>345267186
>shields are pretty good
Not wen you compare them to Lucio, Mercy or Ana's self healing.
>>345267874
He still has consistently lower dps. Obviously if he can get a headshot off once that makes his life easier, but not even pros have perfect performance. But why do I expect someone on /v/ to know the difference between theory and practice?
>>345267879
So can Widowmaker, you stlil complaining about her?
>>345267879
>A character with high damage per shot can do a lot with a 50% damage buff
>Frogposter
It all checks out
>>345268464
Every pro is saying how broken he is in his current state in the PTR.
He's going to dominate if the changes make it to live.
>>345267768
>With his faster ult
That is also getting a 25% speed nerf.
>>345267483
His heal is also super fucking powerful, nothing out damages that shit unless you have 2 or 3 people attacking him.
Mercy + Lucio combo still the best. Highest possible healing per second and two of the strongest ults in the game. Mercy's 50% damage boost is tops especially when paired with the new McCree. People say that the Discord orb is better, and technically it is since multiple people firing on a marked target is better than one person having a boost. However, most teams only have 2-3 damage focused characters and the TTK isn't that high, so boosting one DPS character is more than enough.
>>345269215
Man this buff on Mercy's damage is way too good, it literally makes Zenyata the worst fucking character in the game. Why debuff an enemy to get 50% more damage if you can buff your teammate to deal 50% more damage to the entire enemy team? Zenyata is fucking garbage now even with his buffs.
Kek and I was telling my friends he was going to still be the same mediocre shit he is now and they refused to believe me.
>>345269710
I'd argue he's better, he's just still not worth a pick over Mercy and Lucio
Blizzard seems to have a huge fucking hate-boner for anything "Monk related" (see Diablo 3 and Wow). I'm not surprised he's getting fucked again.
I'm just glad I didn't waste credits in excitement on his black ra skin. Yet another patch where he goes unplayed despite being one of the neatest characters.
>>345268464
>Comparing a character who isn't a sniper with a sniper
You're fucking dumb
>>345266190
>back to 30% damage boost
when will this suffering end?
>PS4 version still several patches behind
I have no idea what these threads are about at this point.
>>345270869
lol retard
>>345270575
Sorry, it was the furthest down I could dumb my explanation to your intelligence level. I'll try to make it simpler
Just because McCree does a lot of damage in one hit doesn't mean he's suddenly insanely OP. He still now tries to fill the niche of a medium to long range skirmisher, which he loses out to Soldier in that role. However if you want to classify him as a "guy that does a lot of damage in one hit at long range", then we can talk about Pharrah or a sniper.
>>345270869
prt is beta for pc only to test patches before they are officially out.
>>345270773
You have to admit 50% was fucking insane, what were they thinking.
>>345268570
>Every pro is saying how broken he is in his current state in the PTR
Pro team are well oiled machines. For pubs McCree was fine pre-gimp tbqh.
Onl shitters complained I had no problem with dealing with him, I had and still have huge problems with dealing with Roadhog tho which is a way worse McCree that also needs way less skill and is not just a glass-cannon.
McCree needed buffs, and its not really a buff they just reverted the range nerf which was completely unjustified comparing him to Soldier. Completely unjustified kid.
That being said he still needs buffs for FTH or a complete rework of his kit because I still don't see him very viable in higher tiers of play, meaning not yours.
>>345266190
>dangerous in a pro's hands
>awful with casuals
It's fine.
>>345270773
>>345271106
Did they just announce taht or something? The link in this thread doesn't mention that and it's not live.
>52% of all kills, carry the round as junkrat by killing enemies constantly
>POTG goes to hanzo killing a genji in midair
>Mercy gets upboats for 30% healing
Please stop this "thank your healslut" meme
>>345268570
Because he gets picked again? Omg so broken, fucking brats whining about McCree there was nothing wrong with him to begin with
>>345271219
>now awful with both
Go fuck yourself.
>>345266946
they said they wanted to try other nerfs before lowering him to 175, the damage nerf is being tried out
>>345271226
it went on ptr but they did a stream with devs and they said it will be reverted back to 30% because of the mccree buff he was doing 200 damage per shot medium/long range.
>>345271362
>200 damage per shot
Holy fuck.
>>345271325
Why would this upset you?
>>345270773
at least guardian angel's cooldown resets on use
that's still pretty damn good, my fellow healing family
>>345266190
Did D.VA get buffs yet i haven't played since the widow and mcree nerfs.
>>345271309
Yes and no
Tournaments were having 2 to 3 McCrees per team.
Now that you can only have one character per team he would have been fine IMO. I'd love to see it at least.
>>345271362
>Nerfing one character due to synergy with one character OUTSIDE a tournament setting
that being said I was horrified by the concept of the new Bastion/Rein/Mercy combo with the 50% buff. 675 DPS is bullshit
>>345271442
It's wrong, McCree does 70 damage per left click, with 35 extra damage it's 105 per shot, it only breaks 200 on a headshot.
Pharrah was doing 180 per rocket is much scarier IMO
>>345271442
yeah, they're significantly decreasing mccree's falloff penalty, and that + the mercy 50% boost made him a god
>>345266631
>that change to the door
... why?
>>345270773
JUST FUCKING PUT IT AT 40% HOLY SHIT A 30% BOOST DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ALL BUT THREE HEROES.
>>345271583
105 per shot but 200 if headshot.
>>345271571
She's currently crazy in the PTR.
Her barrier now recharges over time rather than being on a 10 second cooldown, so she can actually function as a tank now. Her ultimate was also buffed, the meka self destructs after 3 seconds rather than the 6 or so it was before, D.Va can't commit suicide via ult anymore either.
>>345272004
Yes, I said that
>it's 105 per shot, it only breaks 200 on a headshot.
>>345271571
Her buff are satisfying
Rejoice Gremlin fans
>>345271679
>and that + the mercy 50% boost made him a god
Short-sighted fucker, you couldn't hit the outside of a barn with him. Besides the whole cast can be damage boosted but let's completely forget about that amiright my underdeveloped little friend?
>>345267483
He's the biggest fucking target ever tho and while he's grabbing one of you the rest of your team can pick him off no problem. Also, try baiting the hook ae or staying out of hook range. Without him being able to hook you he's pretty nothing ae
>>345271257
Wow 52? Try 90%+ consistently and still fucking losing in overtime 6 games in a fucking row.
Fucking shitty ranked system should just give balanced teams. Being underdog is a loss almost every time.
>>345267483
Reduce his healing rate so it takes 2-3 times as long (a la "sandvich") and increase the cooldowns of his abilities.
>>345272019
That's fucking sick.
>>345272204
they don't balance at for skill level, anon
>>345271257
People aren't "thanking the healslut"
They're trying to keep people playing healers so they can keep maining Genji and Widow.
>>345266631
>Hollywood - Bushes removed near Point A (correction this was already removed)
NOOOOOOOO. MY SYMMETRA!
>>345267874
Tracking with a spammable rifle IS much easier, dumbfuck.
Plus, rockets
>>345270773
>ult 30% slower
>doesnt have the fastest healing anymore
>back to 30% damage boost
>b-but guarding angel no cool down
I guess they want to play lucio.
>>345271571
Yeah and they were really well designed buffs. Effective but not annoying to fight against.
Ranked should be a lot of fun once hero limits in now that every character seems viable.
>>345272403
Great, her ult is fucking annoying.
>>345272247
this doesn't even count as Roadhog main excuse, that's just completely retarded. Stop posting.
>>345272403
Fuck mercy and fuck people that play her. I've had to many pushes ruined by a mercy hiding in spawn and rezzing. Now I'm a tracer main and I will hunt you, I will kill you and I will kill your reinhardt too.
Fucking healsluts.
>>345272630
It really is. Roadhog is free ultimate for everyone. How much time do you have on this game?
>>345270773
nice boobs
>>345272247
>staying out of hook range
200meter is a hell of a range for a hitscan + one-shot kill
you kids crack me up.
>wuuuuahaahahah MCCrr can stun and kill me when I ran into his face all game wuuuuaahhh
>Roadhog is fine just stay out of range or bait the hook xD
The worst part is you probably are not even kidding.
>>345267483
>Charges other people's ultimates because he's a huge self healing target
>Ult deals lackluster damage and is better as a zoning or trapping mechanism depending on the map
>Hook screws up half the time dragging people too far away to headshot and melee combo, or dragging them above/behind to where the time required to adjust the shot means a Reaper/Tracer will escape your clutches
>Has jack for range even with right click, so occupies little threat when hook is on cooldown
>>345272853
That's how they can balance Roadhog. Make his hook NOT hitscan. I legit think he'd be fine then.
>>345267483
>reaper gets near a roadhog
>goes invincible when he tries to hook
>proceeds to fuck his shit with dual shotguns
o wow that was hard lmao
>>345267681
blizzards balancing abilities are easily top of the industry. the only thing the past has shown is that there are millions of shitters who think they are at their rank beacuse of balance problems, as opposed to their own turd like abilities.
>>345272729
>Roadhog is free ultimate for everyone
Stupid fucking excuse for an undodgeable insane range hitscan CC with OHK .
Lets say you are right and you cant play roadhog not like a complete idiot, then his kit and the whole hero doesn't make sense at all for anyone and the game is better off without him.
Which it is actually, Pros agree, they only use him because he's way too strong with opening picks.
>>345272643
are you retarded?
>>345272982
Roadhog heals for 300 HP, hits Reaper with his shotgun, bye Reaper.
>>345273159
>Roadhog heals for 300 HP
Reaper can outdamage his heal. You're an idiot.
>>345273159
1 mag of the shotguns can kill a healing roadhog lmao
>>345271938
It looks nicer.
>>345272643
>hiding in spawn and rezzing
>essentially keeping the pressure
you sound pretty dumb, no wonder you play tracer.
>>345272948
Could sort of live with that. But it would be better if he were more utility/team synergy than a DPS with huge HP and Heal.
Why not making him like his moba counterparts he so clearly is copied from? MAke him able to hook through shields and then holding the chain for 2 seconds for his team to kill, not for himself. With a bring-up cd for his shotgun afterwards. Go nuts with his kit i dont care right now he is the sole reason why I only play Zarya anymore. I'm tired of being at the mercy of every shitter on the planet.
>zenyatta nerfs
I haven't had time to play these last two weeks and now honestly I dont feel like playing.
The path to enlightenment is paved with misery.
>>345272948
It is a projectile you mong.
>>345272403
The only reason to play Mercy now is for her ult. It was already like that before but now it's even worse. They gave her more survivability but what is that realistically going to do when all her abilities fucking suck?
>Zenyatta approaching viable status
>cut the changes back by half
WHY?
>>345273553
>He think's Roadhog's hook is a projectile.
>>345273553
>It is a projectile you mong.
It's not the hit detection is hitscan it is confirmed nand everyone that is not a complete idiot knew this from the first day he played him, stop repeating bullshit reddit made you believe.
Also go away and don't come back.
>>345266946
They said they thought about doing that. They obviously didn't since they changed something else instead.
>>345273553
No, it isn't. Wherever you're aiming at the point of the skill becoming highlighted will be where the hook "connects". That's why even if you keep tracking with the hook afterwards, it won't connect if it was slightly off at the start.
>>345273618
200hp and reduced fire rate would've been perfect.
>Lets continue with our random thoughtless damage nerfs and put him back where he was with hp!
>>345273702
It is. I don't even understand how you could think it was Hitscan. It has travel time. The hitbox for it is huge. Both markings of a projectile.
>>345273974
McCree's bullets also have a travel time. Is that not hitscan?
Wait, do his orbs of harmony provide AOE healing?
>>345272853
That's just a mass exaggeration, he's slow and big and you can hear him coming from a mile away. Sure he's good but he's garbage at range.
>>345267681
simpleton spotted
>>345274140
Of course not.
>Zenyatta is unpickable because other supports are flatly better in terms of survivability and helpfulness to the team
>buff Zenyatta
>he's good enough that he can compete with the other supports, but not so good that he pushes one of the other supports out of viability
>"oh no we fucked up undo it"
What is their deal? Is Lucio/Mercy on every team actually their intended design? Did they just want Zenyatta good enough to be a meme character instead of completely unplayable, but not competitive?
>>345273942
I just don't get it. Being a decent healer with ludicrous damage potential gave him a distinct gameplay identity. What are they even going for?
>>345274229
They should.
>>345273974
>It has travel time
Citation needed.
Honestly I can't believe there is such a huge confusion amongst the whole playerbase about something the devs could clear up in a second. You gotta hate Blizz.
also its hitscan. Because the only alternative would be a lightning fast projectile. Why even go through the trouble? Why would they do that? You ask the wrong questions.
>>345274140
NO, but they SHOULD.
>>345274084
No they fucking don't lmao. Where did this meme even come from? This isn't the first time I've heard it.
>>345274291
"Not good"
>>345274239
And all they would have to do to make him unique from his healer counter parts would be to allow him to mini teleport and "splash" his orbs into the ground to make healing / debuff pools.
>>345271219
>>dangerous in a pro's hands
Pros don't use him.
>>345274226
Except he's right on the money, son. Blizzard can't balance for shit. They nerf since day1 by gimping/destroying abilities/characters. Is this your first Blizzard game?
Aside from the absolute fact that since beta so much has changed that you can't really with a straight face say they are a capable bunch. Not with a straight face kid.
>>345274414
They look like they do because there's a very slight delay before taking damage from McCree and you can visually see a bullet trail from his revolver.
Similarly you can see Roadhog's chain fly out even though it's hitscan and it doesn't matter if the target is there when it arrives.
>>345266190
>Nerfing Zen's HP when he already gets fucking bodied by a decent Widow
For what purpose?
I wish D.Va could still kill herself with her ult. It was always funny trapping a D.Va
>want to play Zen so bad because everything about him pushes my happy buttons
>Blizz finally addressing his weaknesses
>they don't have the balls to fully go through with it
>>345274358
>citation needed
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Roadhog
Fucking retard. At least educate yourself before you try and come up with balancing ideas.
>>345274579
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/McCree
Likewise.
>>345273320
>>345273313
>>345273159
>>345272982
Why do you fags act like every matchup is Solo
Fucking hell what a shit fanbase
>>345274213
>That's just a mass exaggeration
His hook range is insane, especially with it being hitscan or simply broken as fuck on top. There is no justification for the hero, not a single one. He is pure cancer. And the epitome of all thats wrong with you kids that whined about McCree which was a tame glass cannon that was only deadly close range while being fine with MCCree on steroids with a long range CC that is even undodgeable with insane survivability instead of none.
I want stupidity to be illegal.
>>345274806
>Quoting a fanmade website that contradicts what every professional player has been saying about the game since beta
>that also contradicts what one can just open up the game and test.
>>345266946
They said they THOUGHT about doing that.
And considering nearly every single person wanted Zen's HP buffed, they won't revert the nerf.
>>345274514
that's actually not that bad an idea.
-5 less damage is fine if they keep the hp buff (50 extra shield is fucking huge)
Why does Blizzard hate Zenyatta so much?
>>345274674
>play D.va
>NERF THIS!
>landed exactly on a Junkshit trap
>die
No more fucker, no more
>>345272982
>Everyone play only Reaper which isn't even a hard counter for Roadhog in low elo
Newsflash kid this is an 18+ site, GTFO and don't come back.
>>345275004
Just because you get one shot by Roadhog as Genji doesn't mean he has no place.
>>345275253
He's an Omnic
>>345266631
>LMB attack decreased to 40 damage (was 45)
why?
>>345275264
>moron asshat D.va player sees webm of some trick ult shot.
>Spends his ults trying to do something cool
>misses every time
>misses the swarm of enemies at a choke point
>>345275383
Because Zenyatta can't be a hero that people want to pick.
Blizzard has established that fact for months now.
>>345273332
obviously he means the other team's mercy you fucking moron
>>345273320
>lmao
GTFO
>>345274514
>splash pools
So he throws waterballoons?
I'm okay with this.
>>345275056
I just did open up the game to make sure desu. You're full of shit. So you're either shitposting for the fun of it or you're both delusional and retarded.
>>345274806
>Roadhog was voiced by a grill in Japan
What
>>345275461
sad but true, leave it up to blizzard to fuck up my favorite character (still gonna play him tho)
>>345274291
>ludicrous damage potential
There is actually such a thing as too ludicrous especially if you want him to be a glass-cannon made out of led.
>>345274806
>At least educate yourself
Ahahah the irony
>>345275598
That's a boy with a peepee.
>>345273974
wrong his hook is hitscan with a animation delay. you press the ability, it does the animation of throwing it and at the end where ever your cursor is looking is where it hits
>>345274514
>>345275171
This reeks of samefaggotry
>>345274579
>>345275004
Sure but he misses his hook and now no range. Don't act like its always getting hits. Also I never said anything about mcree so I don't know why you are bringing him up too me. Its a game bro you have to play around the other characters abilities ae
>>345275723
Well, if all the other changes still go through (more HP, faster movespeed during ult, faster-moving orbs) then he's still getting buffed on the whole. It's just sad that they feel the need to cut something off him at the same time.
>>345275362
I don't play genji, I only play Zarya because of Roadhogs. And I'm bored.
Btw nice dodging every point I made or at least trying to any idiot can see it.
>>345275723
>>345275383
>>345275461
Because the moment you buff Zenyetta as a support hes likely to become overpowered as shit as a damage dealer. I don't know if you guys remember Beta but it was literally just Zenyetta one shotting everyone from halfway across the map. His kit is so ass backwards any minor changes could instantly make him overpowered and broken as fuck.
>>345272403
Besides the penalty to charge, which isn't that terrible, the rest is a buff, being able to cast it while not being stunned means less chances of dying. Damage buff getting changed back to 30% is a bit of a bummer, but I'm not that surprised, 180 damage rockets on pharah, that's quite a lot. She's still a great support if you ask me, a pharmercy combo is still going to be strong.
>>345274758
>Nobody protects the squishy healer
>Your shields aren't worth shit when even Lucio can blow you the fuck out within a second
>Blizzard dragging its feet on giving the robot a decent amount of health
Did they make his metal as cheaply as possible or some shit?
>>345276460
Give him 200 health, nerf his overalldamage problem solved
>>345272985
> Literally just "Lets make X broken OP this patch, if you want it fixed it'll cost a raid tier ;')"
> top of the industry.
Kek i say, KEK!
>>345275597
I would love to see what you were "testing" son. I could need a good laugh.
>>345275725
But he trades mobility for damage.
>>345275383
200hp zenyatta pre damage nerf is honestly borderline op, with discord orb on the target its INCREDIBLY easy to 1v1 pretty much any non-tank except mcree
>>345271257
I think a "50%+ kill participation" vote is the best vote you can make. That's really the best display of skill.
>>345275947
>Its a game bro you have to play around the other characters abilities ae
I'm not your bro you little shit, and that's the whole point you incredible cretin, there is no playing around that except always picking the 2 heros in the pool he has a problem with.
>>345270773
pharah + 30% damage boost is already fucking broken, thank FUCK it wont be 50%...
>>345274579
>retards still think his hook is hitscan
do you fuckers even know what this word means?
>>345275947
>sure but he misses his hook
It's fine because the guy can miss-click me? It's one click that leads to a OHK on a 6 fucking second CD and insane range. You know kid there is a point when one needs to accept that what he's defending is undefendable and just makes him look stupid.
>>345274239
>>he's good enough that he can compete with the other supports, but not so good that he pushes one of the other supports out of viability
Really after the first PTR buff he was just barely giving Lucio competition for the supplemental support slot.
>Zenyatta fans! We are listening,
>Zenyatta buffs in notes
>Oh... wait hold on... *chuckle* hehehehh HEHEH HAHAHAHAH
>Undo buffs
>Actually nerf him
Fuck blizzard seriously. The fucking healing ult could be 1000 health per second it doesn't matter, its shit. The Orbs were fine. They actually only increasing his HP by 25, not touching his movement speed, HIS BIGGEST ISSUE, and on top of this insult, they are NERFING his DPS.
JUST.
>>345277032
There's plenty he has trouble with, the snipers, junkrat, mei, pharah, zarya IMO anyway. Its all good my bro, don't worry too much about it ;)
>>345272985
>millions of shitters who think they are at their rank beacuse of balance problems
Now I know ahta little thoughtless monkey you are. You are one of the Blizzdrones that can't see that there is literally no skill matching in this game no matter what mode. Also I can only laugh at you thinking the ranks have anything to do with skill.
You blind little faggot need to kill yourself. Do it now.
Zenyatta will never be properly balanced unless they completely redesign Orb of Discord.
It's simply too strong of an ability. If they make him worth a damn in a fight, he becomes OP instantly because of it.
>>345277276
Not always ohk mate. Play as team and you'll be able to deal with him, his whole thing is getting stragglers
>>345270869
>buying an online fps game on a console
you deserve it
>he thinks the roadhog hook is hitscan
>he thinks reaper hardcounters roadhog
lol
>>345276843
Let me guess you whined about McCree didn'T you?
>>345275091
>they won't revert the nerf.
You don't understand how much they seem to hate Zen.
has there ever been a more overrated game than overwatch?
evolve? destiny? i think OW tops them
Blizzard balance
>this thing is overpowered, lets nerf it into the ground and make sure it never gets used again
>this other thing is overpowered, fuck it, who cares
>>345276956
This I always die a little inside with 80+% kill participation and the genji that did absolutely nothing all game but got potg with 3 pointless killy get upvoted.
Carrying is so underapreciated in this game it's making me quit really. Not only that you have to carry way more than in any game in vidya history but you don't even got a scoreboard for it. And get literally shittalked for fucking carrying the dead weight. They literally shittalk you for it.
This is just unholy
>>345278379
>mages have been broken in pvp since 2003
blizzard ''''''''''''''''''balance'''''''''''''''''''' is a joke
>>345272985
>blizzards balancing abilities are easily top of the industry
MEANWHILE MCCREE
GETS TO SNIPE EVERYONE IN THE CAST EXCEPT WIDOWMAKER
LOL
>>345277547
There's plenty he has trouble with, the snipers, junkrat, mei, pharah, zarya IMO anyway. Its all good my bro, don't worry too much about it ;)
>>345278126
Oblivion is easily the most overrated game.
>>345278126
undertale
This is how we fix this shit keep his HP at 200 make his RMB instant with a 15 second cool down.
>>345278696
as a diehard morrowind fan i thought oblivion was decent, though it was pretty funny how much todd hyped the game and lied through his fucking teeth about how revolutionary the ai was going to be
overwatch is getting literal 10/10s from tonnes of reviewers and i honestly dont understand..
>When will his suffering end?
When he finally reaches nirvana.
>>345277759
I'm done talking to you, you are a complete moron and for some reason you like it.
Have a nice day Sir or Madam.
>>345278837
They should just fucking replace his alternate with something else.
Nobody uses it. Its garbage.
>>345277953
>he thinks the roadhog hook is hitscan
Oh boy are you up for a surprise at some point.
Can you film the moment the truth strikes you please?
>>345278996
Okay, nice talking to you
>>345269054
>His heal is also super fucking powerful, nothing out damages that shit unless you have 2 or 3 people attacking him.
Ana is a hard counter to that.
>>345278887
I had a sheltered gaming upbringing with my father being a PC gamer so I was bought up with games like Doom, Wolfenstien, Day of the Tentacle, Quake, Unreal and UT and Half-Life. After a few years of the internet growing and online reviews becoming a thing finding some people giving Half-Life and Half-Life 2 10s where I felt they weren't misguided in giving those games 10s and further exploring their other reviews and what they think is a 10, one of those games was oblivion so I foolishly thought that it was somehow on par with the half-life series. Honestly had not played a buggier or shitter game in my entire life
/blog
>>345278126
Bioshock: Infinite
The Last of Us
GTA V
Just off the top of my head.
>blizzard: oh yeah we will buff him
>oh wait, nah we won't
lmao stay cucked zenyatta mains
hey anon go buy some loot boxes my good go---- I mean friend ;)
>>345275383
To increase his skill cealing for no reason. It was a buff to make rmb viable so you are no longer spamming a constant stream while using your instinct to correct your aim.
Orb of discord plus a fully charged rmb will one shot everyone but tanks, bastion and torbjorn armor.
Did they really reduce his health? It's not listed here >>345266631
>>345267483
He's getting nerfed indirectly when Ana comes out.
Also learn to play, most characters are pretty balanced including Roadhog.
>>345271257
Wow, you got to kill people playing a hero you enjoy playing.
I vote for healers because I know they probably didn't want to heal.
>>345279480
Her piss can truly is amazing.
unlimited ammo was a mistake
ultimates not depleting on death was a mistake
Zenyatta is like a glass cannon, but without the cannon part
When do the buffs go live? I want to go back to D. Va
>>345281241
[Glass him]
>>345280296
>Orb of discord plus a fully charged rmb will one shot everyone but tanks, bastion and torbjorn armor.
As if anyone will stay in LOS while that stupid thing charges up.
>>345266428
Nah. As long as he plays as is, Zenyatta has zero purpose. He will continue to be a Mercy with more damage, less healing and zero mobility.
He used to be the unique passive healer who worked best with distant flankers like Tracer or Winston and could suppress enemy flankers and snipers since he didn't need to maintain line of sight nor a 30m proximity once he applied his orbs.
>>345275383
Mathematically, 45 needed five Orbs to kill a 200HP hero, but with Discord, 67 only needed three, reducing the number of Destruction Orbs needed by TWO. That meant he could kill the majority of the cast in the game in an ideal 0.8 seconds with three accurate shots in succession. That's much better than what most can do.
Most of the 200 HP heroes did have the sort of damage output to beat Zen 1v1 at 150 HP, but not have the firepower to match this sort of damage output when he also had 200. Of course, that's only if you consider an encounter in which the opponent who doesn't use any of their abilities, heals, mobility, bonus damage. All things that Zen lacks and what nearly every 200HP hero has ready to go most of the time.
And so, at 200HP, he would be "OP" in a common scenario. 175 is a sort of sweetspot relevant to the damage output that some of the Offense heroes can put out in about one second but it'll be closer to 200HP's effectiveness than 150.
With 40 damage, only 150 HP heroes will die in one fewer hits with Discord, sort of linking to his original role as an anti-Tracer attacker.
With that anti-200HP benefit gone, the Alt-Fire was increased to 40, a fully charged 5 orb volley can deal exactly 200 damage without need of Discord or headshots, meaning he can still potentially snipe one to death in 0.4 seconds (after a 2.4 second charge). Pop around the corner and pick someone off with five orbs thrown a tenth of a second apart.
Still, I think they're going to wrong way with him. He may as well be in the Offense roster now.
>>345266190
>Be least picked character
>Gets buffed
>Gets picked
>Gets nerfed again before he goes live
All I want to do is pick him and do well. I'm already 50% winrate as him but it's always a fucking struggle.
>>345281259
Tuesday
Why do they keep nerfing zenyatta when zarya is a character in this game?
She has no counter and can single handedly carry a team. Every other character has some weakness that another class can use to get the upper hand against them, there by making a rock-paper-scissors effect to balance things; but not zarya. Nothing can reliably kill her before she bubbles and jumps back, and by the time it wears off she's at 100% from people shooting at the people around her because of the shields hitbox.
Winston and symetra's guns go through shields, oh BUT NOT HER SHIELD, THAT WOULD BALANCE THINGS SLIGHTLY.
How did they let such an op character get passed testing? Almost EVERY game at least one of her, and sometimes when god feels angry, they have two of them.
>play Zen with the changes in PTR
>actually have fun playing as him because I don't get shredded like tissue paper anytime I dare to poke my head out
>won't get that same fun when the next real patch is out
Overwatch is reeeally losing me with this shit. I feel like everyone I like to play either isn't useful to begin with or is useless against decent players.
>>345282026
JUST DONT SHOOT HER SHIELDS BRO LMAO
This thread just shows me how you guys actually don't know how to balance for shit.
>Keep buffing but then going back and nerfing said buffs on healers
>While Lucio is still the one pick you will forever take because he is just the superior healer
Give people a reason to pick Mercy and Zenyatta or nerf Lucio to be as shitty as them.
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>>345282215
>My favorite characters are Bastion, Zen and Symmetra
>>345282614
OKAY, LET ME JUST COMPLETELY STOP FIGHTING THE ENEMY FOR 3 SECON- OH THEY KILLED ME AND MY ENTIRE TEAM BECAUSE WE LITERALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT
>>345280510
Ana is just another sniper class like Widow and Hanzo which will do literally nothing for the team unless you ACTUALLY CAN HIT with the hero. Otherwise you're just walking around giving free kills and ult charges to the enemy team.
Unfortunately I see Roadhog getting nerfed a while after Ana patch. I see Winston getting some slight buff in the future though
>>345269215
it kind of sucks how op they are desu. I was stuck on rank ~ 60 until I just picked mercy/lucio every game (depending on who was missing) and bombarded up to level 70 in a couple of days and staying there for now.
>>345282026
> be bastion
> shoot through her shields
> keep shooting her
> she dies because she has 400 health
>>345282026
Teamwork is Zarya's counter, just focus fire her and she'll die in seconds
>>345275056
Its a projectile you fucking mongoloid
>>345283187
>shoot zarya as bastion
>she just bubbles and it lasts long enough for her to go behind something/go away now with 100% charge
>>345282761
You used to pick mercy for her ult, but now that's gotten nerfed. Only supports you're gonna see at a high level now are Lucio and Ana except for a little bit of Mercy on certain maps where the spawn points are far from the objective.
>>345283403
Obviously moronic if you shooting her if she's running to cover but if she is trying to breach the gap you can Annihilate her
She has short range for fuck sake and low health what else do you want
>>345281372
You never lead the charge with Zen regardless of what you are doing unless you are ulting.
If you are halfway competent you'll have plenty of time to safely charge that up.
>>345271257
wow you aimed at a general direction and pressed left click. good job spamrat
i swear to god this character is the one i hate the most in the game. takes no skill at all and gets tons of bullshit kills. getting killed by a random junkrat grenade feels 10x worse than getting killed by a random hanzo arrow. kill urself
>>345283239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGj3gylB8e0
definitive proof it is a projectile
>>345275815
>>345275873
https://youtu.be/HnCWSk92V50?t=45s
Watch at x0.25 speed.
If the hook was hitscan it would've hooked the Zenyatta.
>>345283403
One shield only grants 50% charge at maximum.
I love how people keep saying "They said" when it comes to changes on PTR.
His hp is still 200 and his discord is still 50% from what I've tested.
>>345283580
I think people are overexaggerating the nerf to Mercy's charge rate, it was the fastest charging ult in the game and chances are if you have to heal tanks it's still going to charge fast. I think the tradeoff of not having to stand still to cast it is worth it, because a lot of times a Mercy could easily be picked off during a rez. It could affect me in some games, but usually there's not that many situations where I'm pumping out lots of rezzes.
>>345282614
>>345282845
The issue is that this assumes Zarya started out at 0 charge, making her damage pitiful.
But even if she only popped a shield on an ally getting shot at by Phara, she's at 50 charge, and does good damage.
When she has high charge, there is no winning against her. Your stun doesn't work, you can't dodge everything, since she has both hitscan and AoE, and you need to burn through 600 health to kill her while she is just pissing out damage.
If her charge bled off faster, she'd be OK, but at its current speed, it's too easy to stay above 50%, and be a Long Range Reinhardt with the damage of a Junkrat.
>>345283657
Charging it safely isn't the problem your target getting out of los to get rid of discord is.
>>345283884
>zenyatta moves from the cursor before the animation ends
>didnt get hooked
as i said its hitscan with a animation delay. when the animation ends thats when the hitscan aspect triggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCexNf6_4g
>>345283580
Her self healing charges it now so its about the same.
>>345284264
So its like a guided projectile?
>>345283595
>She has short range
Do you even RMC?
>>345284158
You can throw out a discord after a charged alt fire and it'll apply it before the projectiles hit them from certain ranges.
>>345284061
The movement buffs are negligible considering most popular Rez spots put you in a place where the enemy team couldn't shoot you. Places like beneath last point on Dorado or the bar on kings row. And good luck flying somewhere safe when the only people to fly to are the ones you just revived.
>>345284579
its like a hybrid, it has a cast animation and when that ends it ticks weather or not your cursor is on a player or not. if it is it instantly hooks them even as the go around walls
I don't know why people are making a big deal out of it.
Damage reduced from 45 to 40 and his HP is 175
but his orbs are 4 times faster and his ultimate is better now
>>345284630
> wasting energy on alt fire
> does less damage
> wastes alot of ammo pool and energy
> can be deflected by genji
> can be avoided
Yeah sure
>>345284692
>You can throw out a discord after a charged alt fire and it'll apply it before the projectiles hit them from certain ranges.
Nigger do you understand how fucking situational we're getting now?
>>345272362
Oh that is absolute horseshit
>>345271257
what was your team doing if you carried them as junkrat?
D.VA's ult is bullshit on the PTR
it's so fast it's basically instakill
Can't wait to kill even more people with my long range McCree.
But they should change his skills. I never use FtH and his flash is boring. Maybe a taunt that makes everyone who saw it mad.
Wait a minute he already has that.
>>345285943
>it's so fast it's basically instakill
Just like any other ult in this game?
That's the point you shitter, oh I'm ready to dunk on some scrubs when the patch goes live
Still would have rather seen them do something with his orbs. Like a pool to draw from instead of 2 outright orbs, 3 of any kind at any time would be cool, or even just 2 harmony orbs at once, something for his abilities
>>345285943
This is bad because?
https://clyp.it/ky00ywn5
You guys hear some of the new voice lines?
>>345285943
That's the point though, most ults should be instakills or overpowered abilities.
It's an "ultimate" ability, not a fucking "Hey everyone my mech is going to explode you have 8 seconds to move a miniscule distance away from my mech, I am also now not in a mech and I am very squishy"
>>345286502
The fuck?
>>345285943
Lol, half the hero's can get away, and a good number can just fucking avoid the damage all together. I think her buff is good, except the no self damage part, I liked the self damage part
>>345286502
Isint that a system of a down song?
>>345282823
You seem like an interesting guy
>>345286169
>>345286530
>>345286396
Because on all the other ults you can focus them down
D.Va's ult is the only offensive ult that is completely invincible. You literally can't do shit if she lands it on you. Since 2 of the 3 seconds are travel time
