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Will they finally do something about this Two Phara bullshit that is going on?
One Phara is easy to deal with because you can just counterpick but when there is two, then someone else on your team has no choice but to counterpick as well.
There is literally nothing you can do but accommodate. You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
There's no stacking in competitive as of the latest update
>>345253234
Literally anyone with hitscan counters Pharah, even at long range, and you can probably counter two of them by yourself if you're not shit at aiming.
>>345253234
She pretty OPfor console players who have a hard time hitting her
Mccree will now hard counter pharah, almost too much now.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
McCree 2 shots her long range in PTR. Good zens will also fuck her up.
Anyone else really hate Anas scope?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CneHovZUIAAm_Ug.jpg:large
Would /v/ hate Ana less if she was a bit younger? What do you think?
>>345254304
how so
>>345254736
No damage falloff until extreme long range.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
>>345253234
>go winston
>phara problem gone
everytime
>>345254303
Stop being a shit player jist because you can't look up.
>>345253234
>forces you to have two 76's on your team
So she's basically making you have an overpowered team comp.
>>345254736
McCree got less damage fall off. Meaning he can do gigantic damage ar range now. There's almost no range where McCree doesn't hard counter Pharah now. If McCree becomes a super poplar pick again, I can see Pharah's pick percentage go way down.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
Maybe you meant to word that differently but wow.
It seems like 2 of any given character tends to break the game and fuck with people.
>Mccree buff
>Zen buff
>Dva buff
>No hero stacking in comp.
Yes.
>>345254674
She has a younger skin you can get.
>>345255057
Hes right though. This counter pick gameplay is really annoying. It's Do you want to have fun with a character or do you want to win and stomp the other team with a counter pick.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
>>345253234
A single decent soldier or hanzo will btfo both or even a third pharah it they like flying too much
Stop being a crying fucking shitter
And pharah is not good at long range like the game or average shitters would have you believe, she's more like a anti-squish focused offense like reaper is anti-tank than anything else, She shines when people can't escape or dodge due to enclosed spaces and close range.
She's only good at range when a junkrat does not have the height clearance to spam grenades on a position, which is almost never.
>>345253234
she's literally the new McCree, all the shitters looking for crutches flocked to her and Roadhog. they're the most ezmode obnoxious characters in the game and pretty much ruin any game they're in.
>>345254674
Source please?
>>345255374
This, Pharah's job is to fly above and behind the enemy team and assassinate the healers and backline.
>>345255279
>Strategy and adaptation is lame. I should be able to win by slamming my head against the keyboard
>>345255459
Phara's one of the DPS characters that take most skill to play.
You need to be getting direct hits and be aware of everyone at all times. She's incredibly vulnerable in the air and in tight spaces since her self-harm is much more dangerous than every other character.
>>345255585
>I should be able to win by slamming my head against the keyboard
so by playing Pharah?
OP didn't even download PTR. What a useless thread.
>>345255763
>>Phara's one of the DPS characters that take most skill to play.
wew
there's only a handful of hitscan characters that can do anything about her, she has next to no viable counters and no real counterplay
not to mention she completely breaks the "more dangerous enemies are louder" mold Blizz set with characters like McCree being loud as fuck but Pharah can jet along nearly silent among the heat of battle
>>345255980
what fucking difference does sound make in the heat of battle?
>>345255585
>picking a hero counter is strategy
>having the right I win buttons is strategy
Strategy and adaption should be built into the characters themselves.
>>345256090
>fighting enemy team
>going well
>out of nowhere JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE from behind
>no time to counter, no opportunity from counterplay
meanwhile characters like Roadhog, Reaper, McCree, Dva, etc. are all loud as fuck and in the case of Dva aren't nearly as dangerous as Pharah
Blizzard can't even stick to their own rules
>>345255480
https://nijie.info/members.php?id=21900
>>345256090
>He doesn't prioritize targets based on sound
>>345256301
well i am ignoring the fact that you could put her in the middle of your screen and left click
>>345256301
this, Pharah wouldn't be as obnoxious if there were more than 4 characters who could deal with her. but as it stands, you either are forced to play one of those characters or lose. it's boring as fuck having to resort to playing the same characters over and over again because of 1 group of shitters who can't play anything other than ezmode characters.
>>345256403
>he doesnt do that thing I just proved doesn't work
>>345255980
>there's only a handful of hitscan characters that can do anything about her
Mcree, Hanzo, Widowmaker, S76, Roadhog's hook, Tracers, Torbs and Genjis if they can aim worth a damn, Mei's icicle, D.va out of her mech, Mercy with her pistol, Zenny. Almost all the cast can touch her in the air with little effort.
I don't know where this myth that being a few feet off the air suddenly makes you impervious to damage.
And her rockets are loud as fuck and have a huge smoke trail like Widow's shot. Open your eyes, dumbass.
>>345256424
hanzo
bastion
torb
76
mcree
pharah
winston
zeynatta
widow
ada
ffs anon you can beat her with half the fucking cast
>>345256520
>just proved doesn't work
You must be pretty green if you can't differentiate the sounds of certain heroes ingame. I make half of my quarter second decisions based off of sound.
>>345256596
>>345256678
McCree and 76 are the only ones that are actually viable. Roadhog hooks only works on maps with enclosed spaces, all Hanzo and Widow players are garbage, and Pharah actually counters Bastion and Torb.
wew you Pharah baddies sure are mad
>>345256678
Hanzos pretty hard countered if you're above him or in his face with a pharah. I don't understand why people think he counters pharah.
Also the only hard counters in that list are widow 76 and mccree. The others are heroes that CAN hit her but don't shut her down.
you should be able to outplay them but since it is an FPS with strategy elements you gotta pick long range heroes
>>345253234
lmao 2pharaget good
>>345255980
>there's only a handful of hitscan characters that can do anything about her, she has next to no viable counters and no real counterplay
what you're saying is you don't know how to aim at the only target in the air that has to stop to use her ult? okay.
>>345256325
>Roadhog.
>Loud as fuck ult sound.
You and I both know that's a load of nonsense.
>>345253234
gitgud faggot
>>345256325
>not being able to notice someone flying over your fucking head
>>345256809
dude i only play lucio and symmetra.
i just dont cry like a little bitch over the worst attack hero in the game.
>>345257153
>BUAHAHAHAHHAHA
>SNORT
>PFFtBLE
>DAKADAKDAKADAKDAKADAKDAKA
>UHAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHA
>SNOOOOOORT AHHHH
>>345257280
Well known fact that most players don't look up and focus primarilly on the horizon line
>>345256325
Are you fucking serious? You're complaining about Phara's ult. The most mocked ult in Overwatch. JUST-
That's the ult you have the most problem with.
Fucking hell.
>>345256325
Woah lad
Sounds like you're salty that you gotoutskilledhave you tried not playing with shitters?
>>345253234
>Soldier
>Snipers
>Mei
>Roadhog
There is enough heroes who can take her down withing seconds.
Learn to aim.
>>345256678
hanzo - not a counter
bastion - soft counter to not a counter
torb - is the opposite of a counter, pharah destroys him
76 - legitimate counter
mcree - soft counter, will be legitimate
pharah - Not a counter
winston - Not a counter
zeynatta - Soft counter because of discord, won't be viable competitively until patch hits
widow - semi-soft counter
ada - semi-soft counter
congrats, you listed one legitimate counter that can keep pharah from dominating the skies. Eventually Mcree when patch hits.
>>345257443
Zenny and d.va
Her ult is also fine because she has the perfect setup for it unlike most heroes. Only hero with better setup is tracer.
It's one of the more reliable ults when the opportunity arrises.
>there will never be another fun online multiplayer game without faggots constantly crying about nerfs and buffs ever again
>>345257595
>mcree - soft counter, will be legitimate
Why, what will change? I thought they were only changing Zen and d.va.
>>345257595
>pharah - Not a counter
If they can't aim, sure. But fighting fire with fire very much applies to Pharah on Pharah.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
Welcome to a game with a Meta
I legit have no idea how to play Pharah. Everyone else seems to one-shot me with just splash damage, but when I do it I feel like it does as much damage as a really wet sneeze.
>>345253234
+No hero stacking next patch
+McCree's damage fall-off removed so you can easily take down Pharahs again
>>345257697
Damage drop off decrease by a huge margin.
McRee will be able to pretty much snipe Pharahs like there's no tomorrow.
>>345257813
You can't rely on splash damage as Pharah. It's direct hits or go home.
That was quite the match.
ITT low mmr opinions
>>345257697
Damage fall off in Mcree is getting it's range pushed way out. Considering his lmb damage, he'll eat her alive when the patch hits.
>>345257749
That's a nullification at best, not a counter.
>>345258040
Goddamn son.
>>345258158
>>345257864
That's great, I always enjoyed playing him like this more, instead of just relying on flashbangs.
>>345258040
>19 deaths
Oh my god can you be anymore of a shitter?
Sounds like OP plays Torbjorn and is salty his turrets keep getting blown up.
>>345258158
How is it not? Two hits and she's dead.
Do you know how easy it is to fuck up a Pharah as Pharah? Especially if one of them has their rocket boost on cooldown.
>>345256809
If the phara is spamming rocket after rocket into a fat pig as he slurps down yet another heal, he's beaten her by actually accomplishing his role as tank, and taking the heat off the rest of his team that should be making short work of the distracted rocket chucker
>People who still don't think Widow is a hard counter to Pharah just because she can't do her unscoping nonsense anymore
Widow still decimates Pharah, only thing is now McCree also decimates her too thanks to his buff.
>>345257864
>Mfw FtH became so useless that Mcrees are literally two-shotting people after stun instead of FtH if it's not a low health Tracer
>They will either buff FtH again or nerf primary AGAIN
You know blizzard balance design isnt capable of anything else.
>>345257595
pro-tip:
Saying
>not a counter
is
>not an argument
~The More You Neux
>>345258234
Not my fault our Lucio was dumb at times and insisted on speed boosting.
>>345258292
Because skill level. If you're worse then enemy pharah you're just wasting a slot. If you're equal in skill level it's nullification. If you're actually a better pharah then enemy pharah, you're still gonna have spend plenty of time hunting her. You're not gonna hit the skies and get a double tap.
Meanwhile 76 and eventually Mcree can just tap her a few times, force her to go down, and return to the team fight.
She's not a legitimate counter pick. I'm not saying it CAN'T be done. I've killed plenty of pharah's with junkrat. Doesn't make him the right pick.
>>345258040
Holy shit how many years did that took
>>345258751
2 rounds + sudden death on Osiris.
>>345253234
>you shouldn't have to be forced to play a certain way in order to win
Are you fucking autistic? That's exactly what wanting to win entails you dumb fuck.
>>345257292
The fuck, Pharrah counters flankers, counters counter-flankers, and is built in to work with Mercy, who safely allow her to one shot 150 HP heroes.
>>345257595
Mcree is already a hard counter to Pharah even with the damage falloff,
>>345258598
>they buffed zenyattas health and nerfed his damage in exchange
Why can't you guys just fix a hero instead of weakening them and constantly changing their playstyles. God damn a year from now everyones going to have double health and do half their original damage.
None of you are even listening to what I'm saying.
I never said Phara is hard to counter. i said TWO Pharas are hard to counter.
You can usually get by with outplaying other heroes and pull a win, but in this case since this is an FPS you need range.
>>345259529
You know what's even harder to counter? Pretty much two anyone else.
>>345258638
Burden of proof, etc. And that's besides the fact the community acknowledges they aren't counters by the fact that when counters are brought up 76 and mcree are the only ones in the conversation.
>>345259348
Most Mcree's are bad though and can't lmb. That's why no one plays him anymore. Even the ones who can hit her still risk trading at his current range.
With the damage fall change even a bad mcree will be able to pick her off from a safer distance with far less concern. I consider that to be more of a "hard" counter as it will be accessible to more players.
>>345254907
>Winston
>Being able to take down Pharah reliably
What kind of dogshit Pharahs do you go against senpai?
>>345258674
Know when to back out of fights if you don't have a healer then you fucking idiot
>>345260340
>she flies up
>pop the dome
>she lands
>drop on top of her and slap her shit
fucking simple dude
>>345260581
What kind of moron Pharahs do you go against?
>>345259382
>nerfed his damage
source?
>>345260581
t. PS4 player
>>345260747
probably you from the sound of this thread
>>345260989
I normally land near my team so when Winston comes we all blast him and I can let my abilities cool down unlike the dogshit Pharahs you must go against
>Play Mercy in an occasional pharmercy combo
>They buffed Mercy's damage boost to 50%
The combo just got even better, can't wait for those 180 damage directs.
>>345258040
>playing against rein on KotH the match
cool
Why is every thread about a competitive game somebody crying about a certain character or tactic being broken?
>>345259297
If the pharah lands a body shot on tracer she deserved the kill
>>345261756
Because (surprise surprise), /v/ is dogshit at video games. Like absolute dogshit. There are plenty of shitty parts of Overwatch (Defense heroes are unfavorable picks against higher-skilled players with the exception of Widowmaker), but for some reason I see people complaining about a hero who is a sitting duck in mid-air for 70% of the game.
Which character hasn't been whined about as broken? Reinhardt, Symmetra, and D.Va? Anybody else?
>it's an OP is a shitter crybaby episode
>people complaining about one of the most balanced characters in the game
lmao
>>345261492
They're removing Mercy's 50% buff, it's going back to 30%
>>345257864
McCrees will be able to snipe the enitre cast like there's no tomorrow. MCCREE IS LITERALLY THE SECOND BEST SNIPER IN THE GAME WITH THIS BUFF
>>345262461
God fucking damn it. At least make it 40%. 30% feels so puny.
>>345256325
As a Roadhog player, I fear and loathe any sort of nerf--right now, he has a sort of sweet spot between being OP and being underpoweredd.
>His hook has shitty tracking in his favor
>But most people can escape if he's not able to one-hit them
>Hit shotgun can one-hit at extremely close range
>But the fall-off is pretty fucking extreme, even for his alt-fire
>His fucking ulti is a cluster-fuck spray that only works at close range
>And well usually send enemies flying, turning it's damage output to shit
And they want to nerf both his hook and ulti?
Fuck me
>>345262236
Zenyatta? Lucio? Roadhog is really broken right now though.
>>345263237
you gain ulti charge from healing now
>>345263237
>gain 20% ult from a self heal
What a nerf.
The only problem is reaper ult not getting nerfed.
Fucker will have it up every 30 seconds now.
>>345263237
Roadhog is fine.
I'd like to see the hook pull fixed though, it's fucking annoying to hook a tracer only to have her pulled behind or on top of you.
>>345254916
Uou cant follow her movements eother mate. The aim on the console is way too stiff even if you max it on the settings
>>345263745
Has it even been confirmed that souls are self heals? They could just be considered health packs.
>>345263782
As a Tracer player I want to play against you. I get fucking hooked all the time because I'm a baddie and it's always an insta kill.
>>345259382
Im talking about Mcree you fucking dingus
They didnt nerf zen at all
>>345264014
It's random, and doesn't apply to Tracer only.
>>345263921
It counts for healing done at the end of the match so I'm pretty sure they are.
>>345263541
Which isn't terrible considering there's plenty of situations where the only thing I can do is hook people to open up any opportunities, my damage output otherwise being shit.
For example, that one map in Nepal where the objective is in the middle of a chasm--if I go anywhere remotely near it, I either get pushed off or ranged to shit.
>>345260551
butthurt?
>>345256349
You are so kind.
>>345262461
Source?
>>345264092
That's fine. I just want to survive one fucking hook with it's bullshit hitbox and collision.
>tfw teleporting through walls and over ledges to get gibbed
>>345263237
The only nerf I'd consider for Roadhog is a decreased range on his hook.
Its range is far too long.
>>345265203
Then how are you going to pull down Pharah?
>>345265857
You aren't supposed to.
>>345265203
The range is fine.
The hit detection is what needs fixing
So when are consoles getting the new patch. Im ready for dva to be viable. inb4 >consoles
>>345262236
>Have a friend who thinks any champ that counters him is op or broken
>>345267105
>Consoles
Posting best Pharah skin, cum on me niggers
>>345253234
With the coming zenyatta and mccree buffs, you shouldn't have much to worry about from pharah anymore
>>345268621
>not anubis
Shit taste m8
>>345268621
Pic related or Anubis, fucker.
>buy a skin that I want for a hero I don't have any skins for
>unlock a skin very next loot box
>get a legendary skin
>get a dupe two boxes later
>>345268621
The truth
>>345260340
Jump at her when she boosts.
Use dome on the ground.
Winston deals 200 health before Pharah deals 500
Sounds pretty easy to me, senpai. You must be a SHIT Winston.
>>345255279
it's the friggin point of the game, the changing and counterpicking is a gameplay mechanic - if you don't like that play battleborn
>>345255279
And that's the kind of people that I get paired with, thanks Blizzard. I bet you are a Hanzo shitter too.
>>345253234
There is not a single moment where there isn't an overwatch thread on /v/ where someone's bitching for nerfs. The worst part is that Blizzard actually panders to you fucks.
>>345257292
>pharah
>worst attack hero
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
Yeah man i shouldnt be forced to actually try to win. I deserve those wins automatically!
They actually force me to headshot other players, but doing bodyshots is way more convenient and fun for me! Nice antifun mechanics 0/10
>>345260581
>>she lands
Pharah is countered by good aim.
I sniped Pharahs out of the sky as Lucio all the time
>>345253234
the point of the game is that you counter your enemies instead of brute forcing it on a single hero over thousands of games
>>345253234
I just hate how her splash damage is still full damage. Tired of gettin 2 shotter by her. First shot is unexpected and the 2nd one is already on its way to hit you
>>345272852
this so much, anyone - except for maybe Reinhardt, Junkrat, Tracer and Symmetra - can deal with her if one has decent aim, that's all it takes.
>>345273237
>I just hate how her splash damage is still full damage.
It isn't. It's 50% of a direct rocket hit.
>>345273237
Splash damage is 40, while direct hits are 120. Here, have some <100 view video some guy made to prove it to his shit friend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0dXq5WQVSg
Why are blizzard and players retarded and so oblivious about balancing a game?
If you're trying to make a competitive game, huge buffs and nerfs are not the way to do it for fucks sake.
>>345253234
buffed mcree should help
>>345273237
It isn't. Min damage is like 25
>>345263237
Roadhog is fucking perfect right now.
Seriously, i hope they dont fuck him.
My understanding is the current ultimate change is moot since his healing charges it now.
Roadhog is a bit like pyro in TF2. if the team is prepared for him, he is nigh useless. however if the team is sleeping and not working together, he is an absolute terror. Which is exactly how he should be.
>>345257305
I main roadhog, you really are full of shit.
Roadhog's ult is subtle as fuck compared to everyone else's
his laughs and grunts are no different than the noises he makes anyway. Pretty difficult to tell which particular guttural noise is his ultimate.
Not only that the actual shooting sound isnt very distinct. Usually you dont know a whole hog is coming until you see the fog of red bullets.
Whole hog is fucking made for sneak attacks.
>>345274854
My ideal scenario would be rebuffing McCree's fan with a cooldown while nerfing Roadhog's hook so it interrupts and immobilizes instead of being a full stun, that way Roadhog and McCree ambush different people instead of Roadhog being a better version of McCree. But they decided to buff McCree's mid-range damage instead, so Roadhog is definitely fine where he is now because he's a hard counter to Tracers, Genjis and Reapers.
>>345253234
>You shouldn't be forced to have to play a certain way in order to win.
Literal git gud you fucking cryababy.
>>345275164
Roadhog is the sneakiest tank in the game. Watching one of your teammates get S U C C into a doorway then replaced with a skull icon is fucking terrifying.
>>345274854
The change actually makes him into a proper tank, as he benefits from taking damage now
His ult charges a lot faster now if you're taking heavy damage
![mccree-65cd7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P9gO457.jpg "mccree-65cd7[1].jpg")
Is there any reason to play McCree anymore?
Want to attack from afar? S76 does it better.
Want to shred people up close? Reaper does it better.
Want to stop that ulting Pharah/Reaper/etc. with your flashbang?lmao zarya shield fuck you
>>345253234
>mfw one Bastion L.Shift fixes this problem easily.
>>345254303
I have zero issue with her on ps4 even when I also play her
>>345275765
Yeah the buff makes his gun ridiculous at long ranges
>>345275804
That means your one of the better players, cutie. A large majority can't aim worth two cents
>>345275765
The upcoming buff will make him extremely good at mid to long range because he won't have to deal with damage falloff as much and doesn't have to deal with S76's spread.
>>345275765
In the PTR they've increased his damage drop-off so now he can attack from afar, (can 3 shot body shot most characters in the game) and he can shred people up close. Now you have a mix between S76 and Reaper so you get one more spot on your team.
With his ridiculous range he can easily kill Pharah when she's flying, especially an ulting one.
