The System Shock remake Kickstarter is at over $1 million now.
What do you think of it so far? What are your hopes and fears for it?
Personally, the demo looks great, enemies and weapons are well modeled and well animated, and with the exception of the enlarged windows looking out to Saturn, the environments are spot-on recreations of the original Medical level.
However I'm a little concerned about the soundtrack sounding too much like BioShock's. Also the item pickup animations in the first room quickly become excessive since there's so much to grab there. Hopefully they get toned down.
Also one of the stretch goals is to essentially backport SS2 game mechanics such as vending machines, weapon crafting, and role-playing skill upgrades, which I don't think will fit well since the original System Shock was not an RPG.
I'm still pretty excited for it though. Can't wait to explore Citadel Station again.
What say you, /v/?
>>345229527
Don't quite get it. I admit, I enjoyed the Monkey Island remasters, but I'd be happier if game developers would go for some innovation, rather than rehashes.
>the industry is so creatively decayed it resorts to literally taking old games, giving them a facelift, and releasing them again for easy money
It's a signifier of how bad the industry has gotten. We need a crash, STAT.
What's System Shock?
I really just want them to fully remake the game. Nothing added, just better graphics, sounds, and voice acting. The combat is fine, and I really don't want them to remove any hardware, but they said they're going to remove sensaround because it's useless. Also, the soundtrack better not be all shitty dubstep, however the intro will be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uemn79gOxeQ
>>345230461
That's drum n bass, not dubstep. I think they're trying to sound like SS2 there.
I just hope they don't add fucking crafting and stats
>>345229920
It's BioShock in space, with less philosophical wank and more genocidal AIs.
>>345229774
Warren Spector is developing System Shock 3 alongside Night Dive's remake of the original.
>>345231239
That's one of the kickstarter stretch goals.
Avellone is writing shit for it, so I'm ready.
I am excited for this game
>That fucking trioptimum laptop
I wish I had 5 grand to drop on this kickstarter
>>345229527
you forgot somethingINSECT
Looks amazing, how they captured the 90s pixel scifi aesthetic in 3D is awesome.
I hope they don't reach their expanded goals, I don't want this to turn into another SS2
>>345231239
I never played the original, was it not an RPG or something?
>>345231781
>system shock 3
will they also open a scamstarter for this one?
I just want to have an option to side with shodan desu
I understand if that isn't in the remake, but I want it in 3 at least
Yeah, i feel like if there's anything that will be a disappointment for me it's the music being turned into orchestra
Part of the reason I like system shock is the funky fresh non horror music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHn_to0HDo
>>345235304
I want to be able to romance Shodan 2bh
>>345235484
>>345235484
>>345236216
Makes me question why shodan decided to turn on goggles in SS2 when he has done everything for her.
Remake will be shit, 3 might be okay if Spector can pull through and redeem himself of being a hack.
>>345233234
>writing is being done by Chris Avellone
>direction is being done by Warren Spector
What in the world has humanity done to earn this wonderful miracle?
the remake doesn't look that great but 3 has me really excited
>>345236408
She went yandere when she heard the Mass wanted a piece of senpai as well
>>345231239
fucking this, i can live with the slow as fuck movement speed (though i would prefer this change a bit and maybe the skating will change character into a speed demon) but not shit that just doesnt belong in the game
>>345234393
technically it is, but not really.
>>345229527
>kickstarter
not even once, anon.
Pay for finished products.
>>345236702
and that said i am pretty excited, i love the graphical direction, i will beat system shock soon so i have more to complain about
>>345235484
some people say this as a meme, but I legitimately want this in some way shape or form.
>Romance shodan
>She grows fond of you
>goes full "Are you afraid, insect?" on people that try to hurt you
Shodan is cute
>>345236882
no support
not released
for once I like this kickstarter, but why do you fear ALL of them anon? Some need them money to continu
>>345236408
Didn't need him any more. Was a few short minutes away from literally becoming a sub-space goddess.
Once she had total control over both vessels, she's got no reason to keep you alive.
>>345238041
Yeah, but why actually go out of your way to kill him when so far he's been loyal to you?
You may no longer have need of him, but killing him seems like a waste of time.
I feel like the game would have been better if shodan makes her ambitions clear now that the threat of the many is gone, and it falls to the player to betray her to save earth rather than the other way
>>345238395
Both SS2 and DX1 would have been twice as good if they had the option to betray vs going with the flow fell upon the player. Even if the game ended short because of it.
>>345238395
>Yeah, but why actually go out of your way to kill him when so far he's been loyal to you?
We are talking about SHODAN here anon, who threat you like shit for the entire game. Its pretty clear she sees you like a bag of flesh (or insect if you like). You are nothing to her
>>345229527
Can't agree about the enviroments. They look good at a distance, but they look fake and mocked-up as fuck in the actual demo.
If they get on that and make it less cardboard and more natural, it'll be good. But the demo wasn't there.
>>345229527
>Also one of the stretch goals is to essentially backport SS2 game mechanics such as vending machines, weapon crafting, and role-playing skill upgrades, which I don't think will fit well since the original System Shock was not an RPG.
That's because they were in Bioshock and that game is all everybody cares about since nobody even remembers System Shock didn't start with 2.
>>345238395
He's a threat. He's the only "free" being remaining on the ships.
She's been jerking your chain the whole time and you're the only person on the ships that can oppose her.
Her intentions are very clear, especially with the inclusion of the delacroix memos: She's going to exert her will against the universe using the Von Braun's sub-space drive and become god.
>>345238704
>That's because they were in Bioshock and that game is all everybody cares
Most people prefer SS2 to Bioshock by a large margin
>>345236495
Spector is a hack that made such garbage as Invisible War and Thief 3. Also Avellone's writing is pretty awful, Planescape has to have one of the most rambling and preachy scripts.
>>345238830
It's PLANESCAPE
The setting has all the though process of "Hey, you know that intro to philosophy course we took in high school? Wouldn't it be cool if we made them all fight? No, not the students, the concepts!"
>>345238635
It's pretty weird that SHODAN still sees things that way, considering though.
For all her technological purity, she was made a chump of by a 0-day wetware nerd in the first game. None of her half-assed cyborgs or full machines came through like he did.
Then the second game, she once again saw the technical superiority of a true human-machine hybrid with mostly autonomous will, beating ass for her instead of against her until the end, and chewing the many and the rogue machines into pulp.
If SHODAN hasn't learned shit from that, she doesn't even deserve to be the villain of this series.
>>345238785
She could have at least waited until she was fully merged and actually had literal god powers before deciding to announce her plan to off you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20MoEeo9B-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFbLEAOZ-as
I agree with this guy T B H
>>345239761
gimme the tldr senpai
>>345229527
sure wish they hadnt picked FUCKING UNITY
>demo runs like ass
>starts on wrong monitor before the fix
>has all typical unity bugs crashing your graphics driver if too many ui elements are drawn
fucking hell man.
dont get me fucking wrong unity is a great engine if you know how to use it.
but holy fucking shit.
when even high profile developers dont know how to optimize their code and package everything as fucking prefabs theres something seriously fucking wrong.
yes i mad, fucking furious in fact.
dont pick unity anymore people.
even fucking blenders game engine runs better than this shit.
>>345239593
The universe was literally collapsing around you into cyberspace.
You don't need to be Chief Engineer to know you probably ought to make sure you have a ship to leave on.
>>345239323
She learned. It's just this time she didn't have an army of cyborgs at her back, she was rushing to remove you from reality as fast as she could.
>>345239850
>first video is 10:11
>second video is 3:36
C'mon anon
>>345239761
fuck yeah tweed.
i loved his starbound videos good thing i didnt buy that blunder.
i found underrail through him though.
still playing that shit over 200 hours later.
>>345238704
Bioshock didn't have RPG progression. That Bioshock was a dumbed down version of System Shock 2 is one of the main complaints about it that I've seen from people who have played SS2 but presumably not SS1.
>>345229785
>gotten
disregarded all you typed
I want to see more of Shodans charismatic moments
>"I will shepherd you, from the darkness"
>>345240023
seriously, if she just tossed me a charismatic one liner about how i shouldn't panic because I'm being elevated to a cyber being, I would have sat around doing nothing for her.
then, just kill me quickly before i even know what happens
I was a little disappointed that SS2 doesn't have a neat game over/death cinematic like getting cortex reavered in SS1.
I would have been down for a scene of me being infested by the many, and eventually joining them.
>>345240736
With respect, You're a 7 (IIRC) year veteran of the Navy. You're smart enough to realize there's no place for you in Shodan's universe.
>>345229527
So the game will be free after it's released?
Or are they double dipping by getting the money first and then selling the game?
Nah
>>345241013
those who pledge like 30$ and above are granted a copy of the game when it's released.
>>345239859
what are your specs? ive mentioned it before, it runs fullspeed on my 7 year old pair ati radeon hd 5870 and intel i7 870
>>345241297
That's not what I asked, I'm asking if they're planning on selling a game the development of which has already been paid for in advance?
>>345241616
I'm assuming so.
I don't really see nightdive just giving it out to people for free
>>345241760
So this is an acceptable practice now? People got used to it with previous Kickstarteres or was there never any outrage at all?
>>345241616
They're losing revenue right off the bat by giving free copies to all the backers.
>>345241987
Have you just fucking heard of Kickstarters you slow shit?
>>345241987
>So this is an acceptable practice now?
Yes, paying to own a copy of a video game has been around for a while now.
>>345242115
What do you mean losing revenue? They already got the money for making the game before they even started the development. What revenue is being lost?
>>345242349
Sales revenue from people who would have otherwise purchased a copy at full price if they hadn't funded the game's development.
The point of developing a game is to make a profit, not break even.
>>345242543
>break even
Break even with what? Did they get the money for the game or not? So why would they get more money than what the game development cost?
When you buy a loaf of bread, do you give the baker 2-3 times the price just because?
>>345242662
This is the single most retarded post I've ever read.
>>345242753
Seriously or are being hyperbolic?
>>345242662
>>345242662
The price of a product is always greater than the cost of production. Jesus, this is Econ 101.
>>345242938
Why? So it's normal to be swindled for 2-3x at least whenever you buy something?
>>345243107
Do you not understand what profit is or are you merely pretending to be retarded?
>>345242816
>>345242662
do you not understand kickstarter? or basic economics for that matter?
I'll put it all in greentext for you.
>Backers get a copy of the game for free when it comes out.
>People who didn't give nightdive any backing money, will not get a free game.
>Those who didn't back will have to purchase the game at the set retail price.
>>345243324
I don't understand what rationalization is behind "we want 3x money for this" except greed and sociopathy?
>>345243107
Yes, the producer must benefit from his labor or else he's just working for free.
>>345230461
Say what you will about it fitting the game or not, but that song is fucking awesome.
>>345243536
But the producer in this case are the Kickstarter backers who are giving free money for game production.
Normally, the process would be the producer giving a loan to developers for the development of the game, and getting this back when the game is sold.
This was widely lambasted as a terrible horrible process because the evil producer takes all the money and makes the developers do things they don't want and create a shitty game.
KS on the other hand, could have been: developer gets free money, makes game, releases it for free because there is no producer anymore who is jewing them.
However, now they take all the money for themselves. Why don't the KS backers get any money back from the sales, if they're acting as the producer? BECAUSE LOL.
>>345243463
like, do you think all those people who payed to be a backer are buying the game on your behalf?
>>345243463
Welcome to capitalism, retard.
>>345229785
To be fair the original System Shock definitely could use a facelift. There's a reason most people have only played SS2.
>orchestra ost
>rpg elements and crafting
GET OUT, NIGHTDIVE
>>345243947
If a company would release their kickstarted products for free after its funded by backers, there would be an incentive for poor people like you to not back something, even at the lowest tier. The way the system is now, people back something and often times they back at the level that gives them the product at a reduced price as a "reward" for backing and then the product that they wanted to see become a reality is now on the market, to be sold to people who didn't back it but might want it. The extra money from sales in the future all go to night dive studios to make more cool projects in the future.
>>345245346
>all go to night dive studios to make more cool projects in the future.
You mean to spend on whores and drugs.
>>345244491
That reason was both games were tied up in IP hell for a long while, so not legally available, and even after that, SS1 did not get on market like SS2 until recently.
Most people just aren't going to jump through hoops to run games that old, unless someone like GOG does the work for them.
>>345240908
4 year veteran of either the Navy, Marines, or OSA.
>>345243947
The goal of Kickstarter is for your new company to one day have enough money to fund bigger and better projects out of pocket without continuously begging on Kickstarter.
>>345247619
>without continuously begging on Kickstarter.
Yet every single company still begs for free money for every single new project, isn't that curious?
>>345229527
The demo was pretty good for what it was, so I'm hopeful.
>>345247761
people spend money on it, dont blame sony for not being fucking retarded and having the fans pay for even development for free. opportunism is the window to success
>>345247761
[citation needed]
>>345229527
I have great hopes for it, but something about the developers doing there own stuff to a remake gets me worried/upset.
I just want a remake of the original, not a Re-imagining. Because honestly at the core, SS1 is fucking amazing, only thing that brings new players down is the UI. Just doing a remake with Update Graphics, UI and Combat/Animation will just do fine. But messing with it cause you wanted to make stretch goals for more money does not settle well with me.
>>345229527
Will it have the 0 difficulty modes where you can just walk up to the SHODAN room and win?
>>345230461
It's a good remake of the track. As a guy who played the original I recognise many tunes but it's still fresh and gives the correct vibe.
>>345248154
Not every company, but assholes like DoubleFine and Comcept sure do a good job of giving that impression.
>>345246402
Personally I waited until the portable versions. I finished the game twice mostly out of obligation to SS2. Some elements were very dated, like level design in some areas.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BZZYDMU.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
HMM...WHERE DID HE GO?
>>345229527
Man, SS was godaweful. I played it years later, and it's close successor DX just blows it out of the water.
>>345251267
1/10
>>345251267
(You)
>>345229527
The remake kickstarter pissed me off so much I finally went back and played SS1 and SS2 to completion.
Thanks, NightDive.
>>345251209
These fuckers are so freaky.
It will never deliver. System shock is a "classic", but they really should have gone to system shock 2 right off the bat. I feel that this is a mistake.
>>345255810
System Shock 2 is way more "playable", especially by modern standards. The first game could really use a face lift and better controls if they do it tastefully.
>>345255810
System Shock 2 actually requires a remake to fix things like the piss poor end of the game and unifinished, unbalanced game mechanics.
that's more work than these guys will ever do.
I hope they keep the point and click shit for the hud.
>fears
I hope they don't turn it into SS2
>>345256338
There are fan mods that balance weapons and skills.
>>345256451
>I hope they don't turn it into SS2But, anon. It's already happening.
>>345249278
The UI is fine, nigger. Nothing more fun than dragging and dropping grades from the UI into the viewport.
>demo doesn't have analog leaning
I dunno why this disappoints me as much as it does.
>>345256545
not enough.
System Shock 2 definitely shows it's rocky production cycle by the later stages of the game, the final level is pretty damn bad.
if they could make Shodan's confrontation/boss fight as amazing as they wanted, with the weeaboo kill bill-esque duel in a dojo or the fighting a giant avatar and more surreal mindfucks, they would be stupid not to. But that takes talent and vision, not just funds.
>>345256338
>remaking the ending
nah
>>345256803
because it was a big part of the 1st game, as minor as it seems
>>345235484
>l-l-look at you fapper
>>345256883
It requires time first and foremost, something they lacked.
>>345257025
uh why not
its pretty bad
>>345238041
>Was a few short minutes away from literally becoming a sub-space goddess.
She could have postponed the sudden but inevitable betrayal to AFTER her attaining godhood.
>>345257345
>its pretty bad
>people paid over 1 million for an Unity game
Let the buyers remorse commence, the suicide watch is real.
>>345257345
I saw this thread while scrolling and just wanted to hop in to tell you that you're a huge faggot.
>>345257361
You literally exit the body of the many, and two halls over, it's turning into cyberspace.
I'm pretty sure she was banking on you never escaping the body of the Many.
>>345257636
>>345257893
>body of the many and the final final area aren't complete shit
i really liked the game and everything
but what is wrong with you
Are there any mods for SS2 to play for thr first time? I tried vanilla but it really is very dated for me.
>>345258409
nah
>>345258409
>but what is wrong with you
Some of us are cursed with taste.
Clearly you have not been
>>345258551
>SS2
>dated
I want underage to go and stay go.
>>345229527
>over 1 million
Oh.
..
My condolences.
Anything on Kickstarter that gets too much money ends up being shit.
See: Broken Age, Mighty No. 9.
If it only got like 50,000 it might be good like FTL or Undertale. But at 1 million? Sorry, it's dead on arrival
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>>345251209
DELETE THIS
>>345258135
yeah, but she actually announces that she has betrayed you.
She could have tried to lie, divert attention, offer to let you in on her power, etc.
>>345258707
I'm 27 and if I didn't play the game back then it doesn't mean I would want to play vanilla now. I reinstalled morrowind recently and could only play it with mods. Many of old early 3d games look like shit now. Replayed gothic 1 last year and as much as I love the game it looks like shit nowadays. I don't know what you're implying - that you must be underage to like good graphics over bad graphics or what?
>>345229527
>item pickup animations
DansGame
Fuck animations. They're barely 1 step above Press X to awesome takedown moves that take control away from you for half a second to show your character doing something +++EPIC+++.
>>345259129
it's part of her character to be full of hubris.
she's basically coded to be a cartoon villain always announcing her master plan and gloat about it.
>>345258820
not only is this blatant hyperbole, but also, they asked for 900.000, getting only 50.000 would not have resulted in a game at all.
>>345231239
It's ok dude
It's gonna be an open world, procedurally generated, early access, crafting, base building, and zombies game. It's classified as a "rogue lite", and has randomly dropped locked boxes containing cosmetics.
>>345259238
>DansGame
This site is 18+, please leave immediately.
>>345259235
The models look bad, but the environment still holds up. You should play SS1. Sprites have way more detail than shitty early 3D.ยด, if it bothers you that much,
>>345258551
google a modding guide and look at the one on systemshock.org
it lists a lot of graphics mods and such, skip the music one though
>>345258707
>SS2 not dated
>keybinding has A and D as turning not strafing
>>345258409
nah
>>345260045
is that the best example you could think of? you can set the keybinding manually
>>345231239
I just want Dark Engine style movement.
If they're bringing anything over from System Shock 2 is should be that.
>>345258551
Obviously it's dated, but not unplayably so.
Just rebind some stuff and fix the UI text scaling and you'll be fine.
Install a balance mod if you want, but the game isn't exactly hard.
>>345239761
This guy irritates the shit out of me
>>345239859
It's global illumination. Why did you expect?
>>345259235
Nigga if you rebind shit it plays just fine.
Only mods you might want are SS2tool, and texturepacks that are faithful.
Weapon remodels are faithful, Enemy remodels are fucking dogshit and the weird polygons are scarier anyways.
Dude you can fucking lean FORWARD in SS2 and Thief, your character has fucking momentum and if you boost your speed too high you can kill yourself by slamming into a wall at mach speed.
If you dont' think that's the tightest shit then get the fuck out of my face.
>>345258551
You can always get the SS2 SHTUP which makes it a lot less dated on the eyes.
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=22.0
>>345260634
Feels like Dinner with Andre.
>>345258707
>>SS2
>>dated
The Thief engine looked like ass at the time of its release. LG wasn't putting in the effort for a major engine update for SS2. OTOH, it had amazing audio architecture if you had the hardware for it.
>>345239761
>using the highest setting on the sparq gun
you know for someone who was complaining about the game oogling and ahhing at shit, he never looked at his inventory to see the values for energy consumption & damage numbers.
>>345239761
So why does he hate Chris Avellone? I'm not very familiar with his work, but as far as I know he is one of the most beloved writers in in industry. So what's with the hate? Is he just an edgy contrarian?
What the fuck is System Shock?
>>345263709
kys
>mfw the body of the many is literally the producers colon
Why would they do such a thing?
>>345264960
It's a metaphor for how far Ken Levine is up his own ass.
>>345264960
>not expensing your colonoscopy
Do you know how much medical care costs in murrica?
>>345229774
>I enjoyed the Monkey Island remasters
...Why?
>Implying anyone on this board was even born when System Shock 1 came out
I'm too old for this shithole
>>345229527
Remakes are cash grabs. A bunch of 30 somethings trying to recapture youth with something familiar yet new.
See also: WoW
>>345237315
now i want a cyberpunk styled dungeon keeper for some reason
>>345266806
Because he is simply parroting what he's heard other people saying and is trying to fit in.
>>345266905
I was born in the same year if that counts.
>>345256762
>only thing that brings new players down is the UI
Reading comprehension. I said it brings down players from trying it. Not me.
You're the second-class citizen nigger.
>>345263005
hes a literal human kickstarter goal shoved into every golden age series reboot ks that hasnt produced anything as good as the word he's done previously
>>345261092
It's weird how that works. I kept wondering for a long time if it was just me thinking the enemy models actually worked better without replacing, but clearly it wasn't.
The HD textures are fucking fantastic though. Makes the game look exactly like it should, just crisp and clear.
Hard to know where to stop once you start fucking with the plants and water and stuff though.
>>345229527
Developers seem competent enough, best case scenario we get a game worthy of the System shock brand, worst case scenario we get a new Infinite.
