Woah... so... this... is.... a .... competetive.... shooter........
It's not.
What's wrong with literally changing the angle of your shot, making aiming completely meaningless?
>>345220916
Overwatch is a casual cash shop game
it's not bad if kids want to play together
It's funny how people always complain when a FPS has easy shooting. Even FPS fans seem to realize that when you remove to point and click "skill" there's nothing to these shallow games.
>>345222131
>when you remove everything that involves skill, there's nothing to these games
damn sherlock, you're really breaking new ground here
LELELLELELEL LITERALLY PRESS SHIFT AND GET BEST PLAY
NO SKILL INVOLVED AT ALL
>>345220916
Ana is a support sniper. She's not made to kill. Hell, she can't even headshoot.
>>345222257
So you agree that the only skill involved in FPS games is pointing and clicking on people very quickly?
That actually seems reasonable to me. If her team utility depends on her hitting Genjis and Tracers zipping around it should probably err on the side of being easier.
>>345220916
>support healing sniper having a bigger hitbox for teammates
I see nothing wrong with this
Nothing compared to worm on a string
>>345222327
He's still pretty useful regardless of how shit the POTG system is.
>>345222257
Really?
You're admitting that the only skill in these games is pointing and clicking muscle memory?
Thanks for proving my point.
Have you guys never played an fps with strafing mechanics. Try cs. Strafing is just as important as aim, along with grenade knowledge, game sense, etc... Point and click is not the only skill.
>>345220916
Thank fuck.
At least the shitters playing Ana when she gets released won't fuck up as bad.
Does it still apply to enemies though? That's the important question.
>>345223151
No, enemies have to be in the small cross hair.
>>345222484
yea pretty much you dumb redditor
>When you take out the skill of shooting in a first person shooter it becomes easy
lol idiot
>>345223381
>calls me a redditor when he has never played an FPS game.
>>345220916
Can we stop shitposting about this game please? This is both untrue and there are better things in the game to complain about. FFS one of the things the Ana update is bringing is fixed hitboxes that aren't so fuckhuge they extend beyond walls.
good
can you imagine having shitter anas on your team who can't aim for shit? No one would even get healed
>>345223653
>fps
>first person shooter
>shooter
If an enemy moves extremely fast, has a tiny hitbox on his head and is unaffected by shots to the body but dies to one shot to the head, what're you going to do if you can't aim for shit?
>>345223031
>Strafing
>Run around like a monkey and hope they don't hit you as you point and click on them
Yes this certainly adds a lot of depth to these games and isn't just more braindead muscle memory.
>>345224381
He's gonna whine about artificial difficulty or some other shit.
>>345222509
Of course there isn't. /v/ just needs something to shit post about.
>>345223764
You fucked up by responding. OP knows. OP doesn't care. These are autistic people who actually find it funny to create shitty threads of people arguing over nothing. Don't fuckign feed into it. Your post right here is why you continue to see these threads. Because you continue to post in them.
This is literally the shittest game released all year.
Even CoD takes more skill to play and that game is based entirely around RNG allowing anyone to do well and feel like they're winning.
Overbotch has a shitty tick-rate which in itself prohibits competitive play, baked-in autoaim even when playing with a mouse, the most liberal hitboxes ever seen in a shooter besides Gears of War and a fanbase as cancerous as barneyfags.
Literally everything about the game is a crutch designed to fool low-skill casual players into feeling like they're MLG e-sports players.
>>345225290
>even use shotguns lmao takes more skill
we're getting carried away and saying things we don't mean
>>345224381
>If an enemy moves extremely fast, has a tiny hitbox on his head and is unaffected by shots to the body but dies to one shot to the head, what're you going to do if you can't aim for shit?
Play a game that has more to it than "point and click on the enemy until it goes away"
It's hilarious watching you people get so triggered by video games. Maybe you should play games you like and go into /v/ threads about games you like instead of spending your lives raging about games you don't like and no one is forcing you to play.
>>345226078
>STOP DISLIKING THE THINGS I LIKE
>>345226202
Hilarious how you people also have to put words in others' mouths. You can dislike it all you want, but making constant threads about how much you hate it, trying to derail all other threads into your personal blogs about how much you hate it, and seeking out all threads about it to throw a shitfit is really silly.
>>345225290
Thank fuck it's dying.
>>345225290
>barneyfags
Why does everyone on /v/ compare everything to Barney nowadays?
>>345226646
when did twitch viewers = game population?
>>345222484
And movement and map knowledge, neither of which Overwatch takes advantage of, so for all intents and purposes the only skill needed for this game is pointing and clicking.
If we look at Tribes or TF2 or Dirty Bomb instead, even if you have aimbot you can get destroyed by players with better knowledge of mechanics, movement skills and knowing where and when to fight you.
>>345226646
>There are more people watching Dead By Daylight than playing Dead By Daylight
>>345226646
>Pokemon GO has as many viewers as memwatch
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>345226921
Don't you have elaborate comics to draw detailing the deep and complex emotional relationship between Mercy and Junkrat based on absolutely nothing but your own desperation to create an interesting universe where Blizzard simply couldn't be bothered and elected instead to farm out things like writing; character development, plot and lore to DeviantArt users?
>>345227036
>And movement and map knowledge, neither of which Overwatch takes advantage of, so for all intents and purposes the only skill needed for this game is pointing and clicking.
>If we look at Tribes or TF2 or Dirty Bomb instead, even if you have aimbot you can get destroyed by players with better knowledge of mechanics, movement skills and knowing where and when to fight you.
There's no difference between any of these games. They're all fast paced shooters that all have the main tactic of "point and click on the enemy until it goes away" There's nothing limiting you on how good you can be at pointing and clicking so it boils down to who is better at doing that. 90% of the time whoever wins is the team with the most kills i.e. the team that was better at pointing and clicking.
Memorizing maps and running around like a monkey hoping you don't get hit aren't skills that make the game deep.
>>345226646
>people are watching Pokemon Go
What the fuck are they even watching? Someone walk around?
>>345227613
>10k difference
>go is even more overhyped than overwatch
>AS MANY AS
go die
>>345228587
>point and click at the enemy until it goes away
>90% of the time whoever wins is the team with the most kills
You're going to have to play a team-based objective game and at least try an fps game before I take you seriously anon
>>345227998
>one person does thing that means everyone who likes thing does these things!
I just play the game. Since we're doing this, you're a white American, don't you have children to rape, wars in other countries to fight, food to sate your obesity, minorities to build a wall in front of, faggots to lynch, churches to bomb?
Still requires more skill than all MOBAs.
>>345228873
Not American try again barneyfag.
>>345228965
It doesn't, though.
That's what's so pathetic about it.
>>345228980
Sure you aren't, kiddo. You're also really obsessed with Barney to keep calling everyone that.
>>345229053
In Overwatch you have to aim in a 3D world.
In MOBAs you only have to aim 2 dimensionally.
Of course MOBAs are easier.
>>345222327
how's life in May 2016, friend?
>>345229226
>In Overwatch you have to aim
We all know that isn't true.
>>345228965
>He thinks Overkuck takes more skull than Dota.
Fucking lol m8.
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>>345226450
Sorry this isn't r/gaming, but people do more than just circlejerk games here. Giant hitboxes and a low tick rates are actual problems with OW.
>>345229452
hitboxes are already fixed on ptr
>>345229412
>The curse of phone posting, auto correct.
>>345229452
>people do more than just circlejerk games here
You could have fooled me m8.
Also giant hitboxes were a problem with TF2 as well (Huntsman)
>>345226646
I think more people are enjoying themselves playing rather than watching. At least that's the case for me.
>>345229421
So this.... is the power.... of shitposting.... woah....
>>345229308
Come back when you've recorded yourself getting headshots only.
Literally 95% of people who claim OW doesn't take skill are just faggots parroting UT fags.
>>345229581
huntsman didn't use hitboxes
it used the single collision box
>>345229412
It does.
MOBAs don't require much skill at all. It's the most popular genre for a fucking reason.
>>345229642
>wahhh im mad coz i bought casual shit and now people noticed
change your diapers
>>345229452
Tell me 1 (ONE) reason why giant hitboxes are bad.
>>345228815
>You're going to have to play a team-based objective game and at least try an fps game before I take you seriously anon
Both of those things you quoted are true.
Unless there's an fps where your main method of playing isn't point and click until the enemy goes away.
>>345229656
Doesn't change the fact that it was much easier to headshot with the huntsman than a regular Sniper Rifle.
>>345229421
It's...
a meme....
You dip......
Woah.....
>>345229053
It does actually
Mobasea are bare bone in every aspect
>>345229875
Makes it too easy to land head-shots.
>>345229839
I don't play games competitively because I'm not a fucking loser trying to compensate for his lack of success in the real world, but nice strawman ya fucking retard.
>>345220916
At least you have to actually aim with that medigun unlike the one TF2 medic has.
>>345222082
Apart from cosmetics, what else do you pay for?
All new heroes and maps are going to be free.
>>345222509
from a game design perspective it's the classical trade off of having something appeal to normies vs making its gameplay deeper.
if you had body-tight hitboxes and headshot (perhaps for bonus healing applied) it would lead to casual ana players trying to line up shots and sucking more in general because it's harder to hit.
on the other hand with tighter hitboxes and headshotting, it would mean that the character would have more complexity to its gameplay and the character would scale better with skill level (i.e. bad players do worse with ana, good players do better, both compared to the current iteration of ana).
in the long run design decisions like the current ana design typically lead to uninteresting gameplay pretty quickly. from an observers perspective, but also from a players perspective. once you remove opportunities to become better with a character, it automatically becomes at least a little bit less interesting
>>345228815
Post examples of matches between high level teams where one team got significantly less kills than the other team and still won. It's very rare.
>>345226646
It's EVO week, dipshit, of course nobody is watching it right now.
>>345230349
>defending Jewzard
Stay mad, kek
>>345229813
Show your mmr then Mr big shot 9k mmr faggot.
>>345230223
It's not like your first-person character will know if he gets hit in the head or not by a sniper bullet.
imagine having such a tiny dick that competitive balance is actually important to you lol
>>345230349
>responding to bait
>>345220916
here's your (you)
>>345230546
He will know.
Headshots usually do more damage than a body shot.
>>345229875
Well um
you see
well,
shit.
>>345229875
You can be shot from around corners.
>>345230967
Didn't they fix that in the latest PTR patch?
>>345229282
>ho ho this is an old problem
>neverrmind that it's still a problem
>>345226646
>Twitch views = popularity
Idiot.
>>345226646
>rainbow six siege barely gets any attention
Fucking why? It's the best tactical fps to come out in a long time
Is a games popularity dependent on memes?
>>345229421
rely mks u tink...
>>345230967
hey, i can do that in tf2, too!!!
>>345231172
>best tactical fps to come out in a long time
CS:GO came out a few years ago anon.
Rainbow six has so much shit wrong with it, from tick rates to peekers advantage.
Seriously why is there 1 second of advantage someone can get by pressing Q around a corner?
Also you wanna know how it compensates for high ping? IT LAGS EVERYONE ELSE AND MAKES THE BUFFER HIGHER
>>345228873
>white american
>children to rape, wars to fight, faggots to lynch
Hey he's not a sandnigger, calm down.
>>345228601
Reckful peaked with 50k viewers when streaming Pokemon Go, the most he has ever had
It just him and his crew walking around and playing some Pokemonand it was hella freaking fun
>>345230843
>>345230967
But a person would never know where the shooter is exactly aiming within his first person perspective, or even know how big his head is when getting shot (say front the side from that video.)
>>345231059
>he can't easily counter bastion by picking literally any sniper or flanking hero
Its your own fucking fault, shitter
>>345220916
>play in the beta
>game plays fine
>play during release
>Game's a buggy piece of shit, kill cam is worthless, constantly get hooked through walls, headshots are the easiest thing in the galaxy to land, and 1/10 matches don't even fucking load and I get kicked for inactivity.
>pick it back up a few weeks later
>game's still a buggy piece of shit.
I guess that's what I get for trusting nu-blizzard.
>>345231478
That's irrelevent, a bigger hitbox means a higher chance of being fucked over by blind shots, which is 90% of hanzo's strat.
>tfw Valvedrones realized how fucking shit Meet Your Match truly is
>tfw they have to go back to shit posting about Overwatch to try and justify the $3600 they spent on TF2
>tfw this won't stop until the next TF2 update which fixes it "TOTALLY FOR SURE THIS TIME GUYS!"
>>345231520
If you're getting kicked for inactivity thats on your end.
Getting hooked through walls is horseshit though, I'll give you that
>>345222327
Life must be hard on rank 30.
So far I've seen 2 bastion players one of which nickname was literary "Bastion" and that was the only hero he played.
>>345230484
I don't play faggot games made for faggot people, sorry.
>competitive shooter
>netcode that was outdone by Quake 20 years ago
>one-weapon limit
>universal hero move speed
>FOV slider maxes out at 100
>rock-paper-scissors balance
>ability system lifted from MOBAs to limit how frequently you can attack
>most "ultimate" abilities are simply massive bursts of obscene power that all heroes get to use on a timer in order to make games appear closer than they actually are
>laughably high TTK so that even people with granny reflexes have a fighting chance
>phantom hitboxes to obfuscate the need to actually aim
>competitive shooter
Overwatch is "competitive" because it's popular, and because Blizzard forces competition
>>345231350
CSGO is easily the worst shooter I've ever played. Dull, lame maps with rng based weapons. No tactics involved. Run in and shoot stuff. Siege brings so many new ways to achieve your goal. If you can't go around a corner because of a peeker, you go somewhere else. It's not linear like a lazy CSGO map. Also just because someone has peek advantage doesn't mean you can't kill them. It's called pre firing and you'll learn to do it if you aren't garbage (you probably are)
>>345228601
>Someone walk around?
90% of them dont even walk, the lure from home
>>345231350
>CS:GO
>good
maybe if you're 14 and it's your first CS game ever
>>345231694
Okay, then it's the fucking client's fault the game doesn't show me the character select screen.
I've played source mods that are more stable than this crap.
>>345231786
confirmed for not even having played the game
>>345231496
mad scrub located
>>345231761
Oh good, because I don't play Overkuck either.
>>345231972
I have, try again
>>345231786
>Overwatch is "competitive" because it's popular, and because Blizzard forces competition
THIS FUCKING THIS
Fucking Heartstone is proof
PHEW
>>345232319
Would like to add. "But I can assume you're some sub 50 ranking player in Overkuck who thinks he knows shit."
>>345222484
What is really important in FPS is situational awareness.
>>345232325
You obviously haven't
Most of your points are absolutely retarded and some are even simply incorrect, like
>universal hero move speed
>>345231786
>netcode<quake
fair enough.
>universal hero move speed
there are so many movement abilities.
>FOV
fair enough, 100 is not that bad though.
>rock-paper-scissors
not really true, some heroes do counter others better but there's ample enough execution involved that a substantially worse player will mostly not be able to pull it off.
>cooldown abilities
why not? many abilities would just straight out break the game without a cooldown, and others add a good layer of timing/resource strategy to gameplay.
>ults
you have no idea about this game if you think you charge your ultimate remotely fast by sitting in spawn, someone doing well playing their hero will have had 5 ults by the time you get your first, it's a reward for performing well so how is it really different from map control in quake rewarding powerups?
>high TTK
no. Plenty of 1-2 taps, some heroes have more HP but spread weapons generally counter them due to larger hitboxes and shotgunning. You could call these granny heroes and you'd be sort of right.
>hitboxes
the only point I can 100% agree on being pure bullshit that needs to get changed.
>>345232735
I know enough shit to not waste my time playing games competitively. :^)
OW still requires more skill than MOBAs though. Not that it matters in the slightest, but I don't like it when people are wrong.
>>345230349What about new game modes?
>>345233117
>Doesn't play video games good.
>Thinks his opinion is worth more than even mine.
Shitter. Probably a hanzofag too.
>>345222484
That would involve muscle memory and reaction times the two core skills of gaming. If you're looking for strategy than go to strategy.
>>345231786
I agree with the most of it but:
>high ttk is bad
You are a fucking moron
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>>345225964
So you won't be playing anything with shooting, or rather no action games period.
>>345220916
>teammates can block your shots from killing the enemy
There, I just BTFO of OP.
>Buying Activision
>Playing Activision
talk about normie brainwash
>>345233353
Is there anything more pathetic than an overcompensating gamer?
>Thinks his opinion is worth more than even mine.
Nice inferiority complex lmao. I guess playing games competitively is the only thing that makes you feel less pathetic, huh?
Btw I'm just trying to make you see you're wasting your time doing something so goddamned mundane. Games are an entertainment medium, entertainment is meant to make time go by faster, and only that. You only think playing games competitively is a good thing because of the dopamine released inside of your brain when you've acquired victory, but in reality you are just chasing the dragon like a drug user.
>>345222327
RIP Bastion, I barely see you any more as it is, and I probably won't see you anymore at all after Ana gets added in the main server.
>>345233520
Are you demonstrating Overwatch hitboxes?
>>345233970
Inferiority complex lol. Your opinion isn't worth shit like I said why the fuck would you try to insult me when your words don't mean anything? Stop replying you're not worth my time with your shitposts.
>>345229875
I guess to allow more diverse costumes without needing to change hitboxes or scrap designs.
its still shit tho for a company to worry about aesthetics more then gameplay
>>345222526
I don't understand the point of the PotG system, all it ever does is showcase ults.
>>345230403
>Post examples of matches between high level teams where one team got significantly less kills than the other team and still won. It's very rare.
Well no one posted and examples so I guess I'm right.
>>345234684
Yeah weird how something called an "ultimate" ability would be the thing that generates the most utility out of a character and gets them their 5 seconds in the spotlight. Huh.
>>345234684
I always figured it's showing the most kills/revives in the quickest amount of time.
>>345234907
That's exactly what it is.
>>345234816
*any
>>345234907
Not always. I've seen it showcase things it deems noteworthy, like a Mei freezing the entire team with her Ult (but only directly killing two of them) or a Lucio getting two knockback pit kills in a row.
>>345233081
>there's ample enough execution involved that a substantially worse player will mostly not be able to pull it off
Lol no, blizzard even supports the idea of one hero fucking up another, i think its done in a way which makes it unbalanced
>>345234684
>mfw I play mccree and all my Potgs are me owning 3 people with 5 headshots in a row
>>345226646
>OVERWATCH IS DYING BECAUSE EVO AND A DOTA 2 TOURAMENT ARE GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME
Randy plz go. No one likes Blunderborn, okay.
>>345230398
You also have to balance taking that into account. If you simply add in that it is harder to hit then the healing would go up each shot to average out the difference. If you also add headshots then you would most likely lower body shot healing to compensate the strength of a headshot heal. If headshot heals were double current healing now then the healing would be insane. Yes you have a higher skill cap but she is broken at that cap meaning she would need to be nerfed which impacts all skill levels which then means she is a garbage character for the average player. You have actually seen this to an extent with Widowmaker. She was somewhat broken because average players could be good with her just as good players that went for headshots. They nerfed her body shots.
However high skill cap heroes doesn't bring what you argue it does. As heroes that are considered high skill cap don't actually really get played any more in the competitive scene than they do in average player games. Pick rates aren't too different. High skill cap also means higher margin of error. A miss is a much greater penalty than it is for other heroes so even in competitive play the lower risk heroes that don't have the skill cap difference other heroes have are still picked more. The Widowmaker change again shows this, even though the reward for high skills is unchanged and they only really made her bad for bad players her pick rate has plummeted across the board including the pro scene.
>>345226646
>SC2 has more viewers
oh wow, that clearly means that it's more popular and has more players than Overwatch, right?
>>345231786
>Overwatch is "competitive" because it's popular, and because Blizzard forces competition
hell the difference between any multiplayer game and a "competitive multiplayer game is just the company behind it trying to force it to be competitive
Genji and Tracer are overpowered
Post more Overwatch hitbox bullshit webms!
>>345235718
I agree with Tracer, her Recall is essentially an undo button, the same goes for Reaper's Wraith Form.
Genji is stupidly difficult to hit as long as he double jumps like crazy (which a good player should) but he's much easier to fight than a Tracer who can use her Blinks and Recall effectively
>>345233690
>So you won't be playing anything with shooting
I'm might when devs learn to make interesting mechanics with the concept of "shooting".
For the past 30 years the only thing they could come up with is "Virtual Laser Tag" with hard execution. The only thing these games have going for them is empowerment fantasy. Which is why every competitive shooter has a military/war theme. If it didn't people will notice how shallow these games are and would drop them in like a week.
So this....... is the power........ of......... Overwatch........ woah..............
>Can snap headshot enemy Snipers all goddamn day
>Regularly miss fully charged headshots on revved up Heavies that aren't even shooting at me
why does this happen to me
>>345220916
Why do they think there's a triangle outline?
>>345231478
Good thing there is no character with a wallhack ultimate.
>>345236365
IDK, you go in with this mentality of "Can do this but fail to do that" then get surprised when you do fail to do that
>>345222484
>>345222257
>>345222131
>>345223381
>>345233389
Wow so much ignorance about the genre in this thread.
Watch a game of professional Quake and hear the players actually talk about what went into their decisions, it's a lot more than "I pointed gun and shooted".
>>345231349
So where's your webm?
>>345236542
That's common with bow and arrow weapons in FPS games.
>>345231932
The only huge issue I can think of right now is that the pistols are way too strong. Other than that you should stop being a hipster.
>>345235718
>Outskill Tracer in every way
>lol nope recall
>Fucks off into the distance
>>345220916
This shit actually makes her harder because you end up shooting your teammates when aiming for enemies, i wish they would remove it
CTF NEVER EVER
>>345236785
Quake is played the same as any other shooter.
Only difference is it requires more muscle memory than most.
>>345237164
>outskill a 150hp hero that has shit for damage outside of a 5 meter range
>upset she gets to heal every 12 seconds.
>>345237817
>Shit for damage
Post discarded
Not to mention they usually engage when their recall is off cooldown so they can hit and run
>>345230967
You mean like how projectiles work in literally every other FPS game in existence because otherwise projectiles would be unanimously considered shit-tier?
>>345237817
>Outskill a 125 HP hero that has the fastest movespeed in the game and has double jump
>He dies like a bitch because he doesn't get a free recall ability that can't be countered
>Remember that I'm not playing Overshit
>>345235364
hey man thats impressive :3
>>345237817
>shit-damage outside of 5 meter range
Good thing she also has the best ability to close distance in the game and can take down anyone who isn't a tank in one clip, and even then can still melt Zarya.
>>345220916
lmao that is literally impossible to miss
>>345236785
Almost any multiplayer game can sound deep when an autist who played it for years talks about it.
The ultimate skill of Quake and any shooter is still "hover cursor over object and click until it goes away"
Is Overwatch really so fucking starved for content that we get 100 threads about a new patch appearing on the PTR that is about a month away from release?
I mean really?
>DSP can do good in Overwatch
says it all
>>345237994
>stops reading halfway through post
sounds about right for an average /v/ shitter
>>345238994
>people talk about new content for new games
whoa wtf
>Its a lets do mental gymnastics and pretend like nothing takes skill episode.
wewlad, better start drawing them masterpieces. It's all muscle memory anyways.
>>345231909
This. My lazy fuck roommate just spoofs his GPS. What the fuck is the point.
>>345239473
>people notoriously bad at games in general
>good at overwatch and consistently win
whats their name /v/, its literally impossible to have less than 45 percent win rate and this is your idea of skill?
>>345236891
>Play Pyro
>Light someone on fire
>Run away
>Killed someone from behind the corner
ITS THE SAME THING
>>345231172
Quality has little to do with how well a game does sadly, as evidenced by Dark Souls 3, Pokemon GO or Overwatch or even Hearthstone. All you need is make the game as shallow as possible and you get a hit.
>>345222484
Lets see you play quake like this then if its "easy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjF-CFhF1X8
>>345226947
As soon as they began to fit that anons narrative in this particular moment.
>>345229910
You forgot to mention that the huntsman was always trash that did worse than the sniper rifle in every regard.
>playing mercy
>suddenly hear "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" behind you
What do?
>>345238182
>le parry bullets
>>345238664
>then can still melt Zarya.
If nearly every single shot is a head shot.
240 full magazines body shots
480 if all headshots.
She has very aggressive falloff
>>345239762
>retards who suck get match made with OTHER retards who suck
If your metric for measuring skill is winloss rate when shitters are player vs others shitters you've got some issues with your logic
>>345239959
That video shows nothing but pointing and clicking on people very quickly.
I don't get the point of posting this.
>>345222131
t. Keith Burgun.
>>345220916
Design choice, they said it on the recent stream.
They even said hotboxes in OW are "generous"
They also said Ana has the biggest projectile hitbox, bigger than hanzo, but its for friendly shots only
Look it up if you want
>>345240652
its not a thing in any game that takes skill so its infallible logic. "high" tier gameplay videos are embarassingly bad
>>345241079
This gift always makes me mad
>>345240806
His opinions on game design are pretty good desu.
Auro is pretty good too.
>>345220916
Not defending the game or anything since I don't even own the damn game but isn't this the case with medic from tf2 too. You don't have to aim shit.
>>345236208
remember calling everyone a faggot in CS:S
good times
>>345241263
You know it's just from a TV show, right? It's fake
>>345236542
>>345237603
>>345238978
You know nothing.
>>345241263
why? are you an architect? why do they measure the ground to the skull? is it to make sure the hole is big enough for removal or something?
>>345226646
Fucking lol
>>345220916
>>345223764
>>345225132
you're all fucking stupid
>hitboxes on hostile projectiles are being adjusted
>heal targeting is forgiving as shit on mercy and zenyatta
>ana heal targetting is equally forgiving as shit
>dumbass hanzobitchers latching on to a different design decision to bitch about now that what they're whining over is being adjusted
>>345242210
i never mentioned tf2 but okay blizzdrone
>>345242670
The point was bow physics are shit no matter what game.
>>345242715
okay then
my point was how overwatch's hitboxes were shit period though
>>345242715
>It's okay for my game to be garbage because this other game is also garbage
Nice excuse.
It's not a shooter, it's a first person MOBA with some FPS mechanics.
>>345242715
>bow physics are shit no matter what game
Not really. The point is even the dumbest of developers know that projectile weapons need forgiving hitbox to be on par with hitscan.
/v/tard will never understand this though.
>>345242547
>doesn't mention tf2
>brings tf2 into it anyway
Is there a worse cancer on the planet than Blizzard fans?
>>345242715
That doesn't make it okay faggot
Source is also an old as fuck engine, not that it makes it okay, but it certainly gives it an excuse to be shit
>>345233520
vot de fauk
>>345242670
Can we Trump wall these fucking drones like /co/ did ponies and /v/ did Pokemon?
>>345231786
Or probably because humans are competitive by nature and will turn anything to be competitive, even cooperative things.
When even Smash brothers has a competitive scene, it's clear that it's a biological thing.
>>345220916
It actually is a competitive shooter. Aiming is only a small aspect of what makes a game skillbased.
Overwatch requires even more teamplay and coordination than CS:GO does.
>>345243754
>valvedrone got btfo
>t-trump please
>>345244040
btfo how exactly? This webm proves your game is full of shit.
>>345242872
>>345242670
>>345244040
how did anybody here get btfo
also thank you for proving that only shitposters use that image
back to your containment general please
>>>/vg/overwatch
>>345242224
>watching timers is pure skill
yeah, nah
>>345243035
>Source is also an old as fuck engine, not that it makes it okay, but it certainly gives it an excuse to be shit
Lold. Totally not tf2 fag. What a clown.
>>345243021
How about nerfing hitscan so they're on par with projectiles?
>>345244294
>30 FPS
Literally get a better PC
>>345244227
>twitch views doesn't matter if it's our shit game
>>345242547
>totally not a valvedrone guys, btw tf2's shit hitboxs is actually legit
>>345242210
>>345243021
>>345244435
Good counterargument my friend! :^)
also
>lold
You must be 18+ to use this website.
>>345244584
>Literally get a better PC
Literally get a better argument because that doesn't refute any points made here today
>>345244680
>literally continuing to prove that only shitposters use this image
Holy shit >>345244294 was right
>>345244294
took an icepick to the knee...
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Blizzcucks leave.
>>345222131
>>345238978
Aiming the gun isn't supposed to be the main show of skill in any decent shooter. It's the basic prerequisite skill, like the ability to run in football. The developer of any decent shooter will expect you to be able to aim accurately, and then design the gameplay with that assumption in mind.
Even a braindead simplistic shooter like Serious Sam is about more than just accurately aiming your gun. Your ability to shoot accurately is assumed; if you're actually missing your shots in Serious Sam, you're boned. The game's actual source of difficulty is in the following areas: footwork (which is especially important when you have Kleer skeletons pouncing at you from multiple directions), choice of weapon (which becomes incredibly important when you're being attacked by multiple types of enemies at once), prioritization of targets (especially when you hear AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA), and timing (especially with cannonballs).
That said, needing aim assistance is still embarrassing.
>>345244040
>>345244680
>>>/rules/6
see you in three days overshitter
>>345243035
hitboxes are still shit though, the age of the engine doesn't really matter
look at csgo
>>345220916
Ana would be literal trash if you had extremely precise hitboxes.
>>345244789
>implying that i'm arguing with you
>implying that 18+ meme can trigger somebody
>>345220916
Stay mad.
>>345244789
>still ignoring all the points because you can't refute them
>using facebook tier meme
You're the shitposter here bub
>>345245083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuM1caVhDHQ
>pick lucio because once again nobody else will play a healer
>carry the whole game
>silver eliminations
>gold objective eliminations
>gold objective time
>silver damage done
>gold healing (obv)
>died once
>dropped 3 ults at crucial points to save the team
>2 commendations
>meanwhile mercy on the losing team gets 5 for healing 21% of team damage taken
>high TTK is good
If you are a child who can't aim, sure. EAsy literally made Battlefield: Heroes, the most casual shooter I'ver ever laid my hands on with very high TTKs in oder for people to feel like they do something. It also had unlimited ammo, abilities and shit hitboxes.
>>345245645
>overwatch
>high ttk
You're meme'ing friend? If anything all heroes except roadhog die way too fucking fast in ow.
>>345245431
What points are you trying to make? All I see are shitposts.
>>345245528
That's good, they're listening and fixing shit like Hanzo's insanely broken hitboxes
Did they do anything for Mei though?
Or any of the other shit like >>345242670 ?
>>345242670
seems legit. this checks out.
>>345230967
this is getting patched in the next update, unlike the huntsman :^)
>>345226646
Smash Street Fighter and Tekken are only there once a year because of Evo.
SC2 is only there because of Dreamhack.
I dont know what is going on in Dotard because I dont follow assfaggots garbage but since it is ahead of LoL it has some kind of tourney going on too.
Without tournaments OW is pretty much always on at least place 4. It will only become more popular once the tournament scene starts to kick in.
I fail to see how Overwatch is similar to TF2. I've played both, but I still don't understand the similarities.
Is it because they're both class/hero based? or is it because they both have cosmetics or something?
>>345226646
EVO weekend you dumb fuck
>>345244294
>I used to be a gunslinger like you but then...
>>345245929
Well, hanzo is pretty shit right now even with broken hitboxes, so if they will make them "normal" they would need to also buff him somehow.
Same goes for mei. These 2 have <5% pickrate in tournaments (mei wasn't picked at all on the latest one, hanzo had 4,1%).
If they take it away, they have to compensate it AND buff these heroes.
tf2 > overwatch
you can't prove me wrong
overwatch > tf2
you can't prove me wrong
>>345246787
TF2 has the hat economy.
This makes Overwatch completely and inarguably better.
>>345236208
Overwatch playerbase is literally all children from LoL
it's the same kind of game
>>345246930
literally still hasn't proved me wrong
overdrones, when will they learn?
defend this
protip
you can't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-sip4-CFw
>>345246885
tf2 < overwatch
you can't prove me wrong
>>345244403
>watching
There's only one timer you can see, the rest is hard memorization, strategy and educated guessing.
>>345247097
i dont need to, its been patched
>>345247097
>defending something that doesnt exist anymore
why?
>>345246930
>m-my skins are better than hats!
how does this make sense? is there even a marketplace for overwatch players or does everything they get exclusively come from loot crates?
POTG needs a overhaul.
Make it not so much about kills or reviving, but add in damage blocked(Reinhardt/Lucio Ult) or a change in the tone of the match (For example, the stompers becoming stomped on)
>>345247638
Exclusively from loot crates that are free to open and you get one every level.
Having no economy and a billion variations of """"rare"""" hats makes the game significantly less cancerous.
>>345245012
>Aiming the gun isn't supposed to be the main show of skill in any decent shooter.
Well too bad it is. The main thing you do in every shooter is point and shoot at things to make them disappear. Movement is obvious. Weapon choice is also obvious since they are designed for very specific situations. Once you memorize the map the only thing left to do is practice your point and shoot skill. Again I ask for examples where high level teams fought and the team who got way less kills won. If there were examples of this I would believe there is more to these games then pointing mastery.
Serious Sam is a terrible example. The game is just "memorize the monster spawnings and use the appropriate weapon". You don't even have to think about what weapons to use since you have access to them all.
>>345240831
How does that justify anything?
20 tick is a 'design choice' to them too, laughable.
>>345240182
>use voicecom to inform my teammates that a Tracer is behind us
>watch as the gets blown up by 5 people
>continue to enjoy the game at 70+ rating
:^)
