Might and Magic and HoMM Thread. Which two games out of both series are your favorites?
>>345217941
MM6 and HoMM3
These games have the best maps
>>345217941
World of Xeen was the best one
Did the Japanese make Might and Magic? A few of these guys look like they're from Kamen Rider/Power Rangers Good or Bad.
>>345219978
It's made by this guy. Wizardry was also made in the west and has ninjas and samurais.
HoMM2 > HoMM3
>>345219978
the fuck is that webm man, you got a source?
Are there any other RPG's where magic is so incredibly satisfying and helpful? Not even in a damaging way, just getting a master level wizard and learning town portland, flying and invisibility really made you feel like a solid, actual WIZARD for once, it was amazing
>>345221482
I really can't think of very many games with proper utility spells anymore. Nowadays its just direct damage or buffs.
>>345221984
That's a shame. I tried a playthrough without a mage and it's like a completely different game, none of the most fun utility spells, and becoming a lich if you're dark side was ridiculous fun too.
>>345219694
Xeen is the only one that keeps crashing on me for some reason.
>>345220237
One of the guys responsible for wizardry is also an ultra weeb that started up AnimEigo
>>345225253
https://youtu.be/cu7P8iHlclw?t=12m54s
You've just heard it.
>>345221482
There's Divinity OS. You can use the teleport spell to get over barriers or teleport enemies into burning oil or poison gas.
>>345226751
CHOOOQWAAAA
What even is that sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5XjRBTEpU
Some guy on RPGcodex uploaded the mac versions of Might and Magic 1-5 which have better graphics and better interface for the first two games if anyone is interested.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B01-YeD38fqUSUpNSXJpeFROTzQ/view
>>345229429
All of the mac games have sharper graphics too.
>>345220446
Why not both?
>>345217941
>>345230481
MM3 had the better orcs and goblins
I love how they all have animations though unlike some modern dungeon crawlers
>>345231098
I absolutely loved the MM5 goblins.
>>345229429
Oh god i started that up and the Mac emulator is bombarding me with text to speech whenever I hover over a window.
>>345232126
This is interesting. The game options and everything are all integrated into the mac UI
>>345232590
The cutscenes don't get weird speedup you get with DOSbox anymore either.
Post your favorite portraits
>>345233336
>>345233336
>>345232590
The game does look better compared to the DOS version but there doesn't seem to be a way to scale up the window without going fullscreen. There's more mouse functionality too with you being able to right click and drag portraits around to alter party position.
>>345221482
Rage of Mages / Allods.
>>345234373
DOS version can be scaled up but I get these weird corruptions. I just can't win.
> try MM4's PC speaker support for shits and giggles as a kid
> expect bleeps and bloops
> get almost sound blaster quality synthesized samples instead, INCLUDING VOICE ACTING
fucking black magic
>>345234278
I'm curious if those people were paid actors or random devs and people around the office.
>tfw jewbisoft rebooted the entire setting and got rid of all sci-fi elements
What's the point??
>>345238515
To make it more consumer friendly. Warcraft is popular and it has cartoony graphics, that was basically the only reason.
>>345238515
>Got into MMVII as a child, my first real computer game
>Loved the medieval fantasy setting
>That shock upon hearing the angels and demons are sci fi aliens
>Visiting the underwater ship
>Fighting machines
Such a mind fuck
>>345238849
Anti sci-fi fags didn't help either. The worst part is they removed forge town when less than 100 people complained about it. If they were smart they would've just changed the style a bit while still keeping the faction.
>>345240256
>tfw
Q: WHY DID YOU PULL THE FORGE?
GF: Reason One: As much as I thought the actions of many fans showed a lack of vision and an inherent distrust for a company who have given them hundreds of hours of quality gameplay, I still didn't want to fight our fans. Reason Two: There wasn't enough pro-Forge activity.
Q: DO YOU THINK 50% OF THE HEROES FANS WERE AGAINST THE FORGE?
GF: No. Total, the number of emails we received asking to remove the Forge were less than 100. I doubt 3DO received much more. As a series, Heroes has sold over 750,000 copies world wide. I would be surprised if more than 5% of the audience would have 'boycotted' the product. However, I still felt 5% was too high.
Q: DOES SCIENCE FICTION BELONG IN HEROES?
GF: Yes. Science fiction is the foundation of the Might and Magic universe. It is the reason the Might and Magic universe exists. At its core, the Might and Magic is about advanced civilizations who have descend into barbarism. If you disagree, your reasoning is emotional, not logical. Many people forget the Inferno is not populated by demons. It's populated by aliens who look like demons. If I told you the origin of the Arch Angels I'm sure many of you would have a heart attack.
Has anyone ITT played Swords and Sorcery? I heard its like MM1 and MM2.
>>345243439
I haven't actually played it but it is more like MM2. You can't see enemies ahead of you like MM3 onwards which is lame. There's no animations either.
>>345218554
This
What's the best campaign to start with in HoMM3?
>>345245631
bls respond i want to learn how to play
>>345217941
HoMM4, and Might & Magic X: Legacy
>>345247357
>MMX
why
>>345235349
Disable aspect ratio lock.
>>345220705
I'm pretty sure it's from a music video
>>345221482
nox, most of the spells are combat spells but teleportation and the various utility spells still have that satisfaction to them
>>345241597
>If I told you the origin of the Arch Angels I'm sure many of you would have a heart attack.
Wh-what are they?
From RPG series I played MM1, 2 and VI - X.
I love VII for gameplay. Class system is near perfection. I prefer 3D environment so I was a bit dissapointed with X. I finished MM1 but with cheated characters. I couldn't give it a time and monsters are ridiculously strong early. I tried MM2 but dropped it at start. Are 4-5 worth getting into? I don't have much time to indulge into and I'm not a big fan of movement int original
>>345250361
I'm pretty sure they're robots created by the Ancients like Corak.
>>345238515
>Jewbisoft could have launched a Dark Messiah clone alongside each Heroes of M&M game, to generate more hype and "marked synergy"
>Instead we only get 1 Dark Messiah game
>>345250782
3-5 are pretty good but I like 4-5 more than 3. Also MM6 > MM7
>>345238515
>finding laser beams in M&M
So weird
Can't wait for Might and Magic 8.5
Unlike that shitfest MM7 engine remake that decided to use modern gfx.
>>345251727
Is that just an unofficial expansion for MM8?
>>345252117
Yup, made by ruskies.
It has new content like new classes, maps and items.
>>345251294
In my personal opinion it's more like
MM7<=MM6<MM8<MM9
MM7 was my first entry in the series so maybe that's why. 3 levels of classes and archmaster levels were a great improvement. It falls a bit when it comes to quests, but overall I prefer 7th over 6th.
MM9 felt underdeveloped. Class system was interesting although no flying and Armaggedon was a bit turnoff.
I wish more RPG were using flying like MM6-8. Maybe a bit overpowered but shit's fun.
Can you play M&M games in any order?
>>345252216
>a bit overpowered
It almost completely trivialises outdoor combat since it keeps you out of range of melee enemies and lets you dodge projectile attacks even on the enemy's turn with the up and down keys.
>>345252216
MM7 character building was fucked and a step down from MM6
>>345246959
>>345245631
The first campaign if you want to learn how to play. Play them in order.
>>345253017
It was amazing. Being a powerful wizard actually felt like it meant something, wizards were invaluable to a serious party, not just that guy that throws fireballs. You got it late enough in the game that you still did a lot on foot and it cut down on travel time in a better way than fast travel mechanics ever doPlus my old games where I rushed wizard on my mage, learnt flying and invis and looted the Titans Stronghold super early was incredibly fun and nerve wracking
>>345252749
Depends on the game. You could probably get away with playing 6 before the earlier games.
>>345252749
If you care for the connections between the games you even kinda have to play them out of order.
>>345237161
Some of them were paid porn stars, because it was the cheapest actors they could find.
>>345255546
Surely they could just stop random people on the street and say "hey, want to make a quick 40 bucks? Stand still and let me take your pic for a game"
>>345252749
Play the mac versions of the first two games if you want to play them since you can import parties between them. The first 5 games are about Sheltem.
>>345255654
there is actually legal things you have to do first, that is generally why a lot of companies used their own employees likeness
>>345217941
I just love Heroes of Might and Magic 2. I can sit with friends and play this for days. The soundtrack and art is just so perfect; I think it even looks better than HoMM3.
Might and Magic 6 just rules.
>>345256497
There's a total conversion mod for HoMM3 that gives the game a HoMM2 art style.
>>345254024
How it was fucked?
>>345257795
Gonna copy and paste someone else's argument because lazy and he's more articulate than I ever will be. Part 1/?
Both VI and VII were made by the people who never understood how their own system works. Don't ask me how that happens. Still, VI had at least a semblance of reason. For example, different mastery level requirements for different skill categories. Because something that makes your life a bit more convenient (identify at 7, for example) really should not cost as much as something that just allows you to slaughter everyone (magic at 12). In VII, however, it's all stupid tens. And it's getting even worse by the fact that whereas in VI you end the game around level 100, in VII it's more like 60. So you're gaining considerably less skillpoints and the utility is much more expensive. And, obviously, you don't even need to level it up - there's just way too many free alternatives. But in VI, you could, if you weren't too stingy with your points. In VII, it's just a bad idea.
Next, monster resistances. These were fucked up on such a harsh level in VII. In VI, they were not tied to the schools - they were just elements and magic schools provided access to one or more of those elements. That put some restraint on the broken stuff of the game, you couldn't just shrapmetal your way to the victory. Occasionally, you've even had to use some shitty spells you've got because it was the only thing that worked. In VII - fuck that, let's just make light & dark OP because nothing can resist them, while everything resists everything else too well.
>>345258883
Next, out of grand master upgrades, only two really add some new options:
1. Mace with its paralyzation.
2. Bows with their extra damage.
Everything else doesn't mean shit. Adding your sword skill to your armor? Fuck yeah, enjoy your 0.5% bonus to evasion (an actual one). Versus physical only, of course. Leather skill gets added to resistances? Ok, maybe that's not 0.5%, maybe that's 2% of extra hit points - big whoop! Shield acts as a shield spell? Yeah, as if I don't have the means to cast it otherwise.
Restrictions also don't do that much. They make some classes (like rangers & druids) incredibly shitty, but I can't really say that they force you into some tough choices.
Next, we have more classes, but that doesn't mean anything. Monk is pretty much the same stuff as Knight, and Ranger & Thief also are crappier carbon copies (as they don't do as much damage as the first two). They play in the exactly the same fashion, just with the worse stats. Druid also got wrecked into oblivion, so yeah, muh class diversity.
>>345259028
Finally, just the plain hit point issue. You see, in VI, the difference between all the non-knight classes was rather minimalistic. Paladins & Archers got 5 hp and 4 sp per level (eventually) and casters got 4 hp and 5 sp per level. In VII, they made the spread to be much more severe. Paladins are 6/3 and wizards are 3/6, for example. And that's stupid. Flavorful, but just stupid gameplay-wise. In M&M, there are no rows, there's no tanking, your party is always at the frontline, everyone is constantly under attack. And since the first death/knockout/redzone generally means global retreat, you can say that your squad is only as survivable as your weakest member is (he goes down first). Therefore, it's pointless to have 200 hp paladins if your mage is 100 hp - all that extra gets wasted. In VI, designer understood that so the spread was minimal. In VII, designer hadn't got a fucking clue about anything. Was that even the same one, I wonder?
>have dead characters
>go to some shady warlock healer
>he revives them as zombies
Though an inconvenience, I really like small things like that. I also like how your characters could technically get old enough to die of old age or in the case VI and higher if they get to 100 years of age their stats are reduced to like 10% of their original. I love shit like this.
>>345234278
>tfw video games dont use real people dressed up anymore
>>345259028
I see his points here, the grandmaster skills being disappointing for everything but mace, bow, most of the magic skill trees, staff/unarmed, alchemy, merchentile and plate armour was annoying. I really really wanted there to be rows in VII, it felt pointless having one guy be a complete tank who never died if everyone else died before him, he ends up just useless.
I do feel the spread is justified, if you could put your tank in front of your mage then my lich in leather armour casting spells should be no-where near as tanky as my gobin knight in plate.
>>345260321
>Attitude
>Elvis
What amazing game was this
>>345260484
Civ 2.
M&M virgin here, where do I start? Just go 4-5-6?
Are the GOG versions the best way to play these games?
>>345260484
There is no positioning in Might and Magic 7 though. You can't actually put a tank in front to protect your mage.
>>345260321
>the foreign advisor
unnngg
>>345260916
You should get the 6 pack and play 3-6 although I think 4-5 is better and plays just like 3. For 6 you want the Greyface patch and if you want I could hook you up with some roms for better sounding music in the DOS might and magic games.
>>345260916
GOG versions work fine. You could download >>345229429 too for better graphics.
>>345260916
Might & Magic 6 - best dungeon design
Might & Magic 7 - basically a more polished version of 6 but with linear Skyrim-style dungeons
Might & Magic 4/5 - interesting setting but the shitty DOS graphics might put you off
id start with 6
>>345261423
Agreed. Best part was that she was literally foreign.
>>345261742
>>345263079
>>345263145
Thanks bros. I'm gonna try and start with 4, will jump ahead to 6 if the game breaks me. I usually have no trouble moving backwards in series like these, once I'm hooked by the more recent game.
Any gameplay tips? I always have a mage in my party, and the thread makes me want to specialize him as a wizard.
Any ways I can irreversibly and unknowingly fuck up my game, other than character development? I mean, can I break the main quest and not know about it, Sierra-style?
>>345264150
Read the Manual
Make sure to get at least one gnome and dwarf for detecting enemies and secrets.
Get a class with water walking
>>345264150
equip everyone with bows so that you can kite things from range
always have a mage who knows Water magic
always have either a cleric or a hybrid healer like a Paladin, the healing isnt necessary but the debuff removal definitely is
you cant break the main quest as far as i know
>>345264150
Heads up that >>345264575 and >>345264623 is advice for two different games.
>>345264150
4 is easier than 6 so you'll be fine. Watch the Clouds of Xeen intro first and the pyramid outside of the first town lets you travel between MM4 and MM5
As someone who loved 7 and might start 6 soon, any advice?
>>345267783
Choose me or suffer.
>>345267783
There's no Grandmastery skill, HP spread is more even, and skills don't all cost the same to reach another level. Just install Greyface patch and you're set. I personally play with arrow keys but you can use the mouselook mod if you want.
>>345226751
Was the only use for this spell detecting enemies and bodies?
>>345217941
Are there any modern games like Xeen? Closest one I can think of is The Quest.
>>345271512
Detecting treasure was helpful too, it was like a free high level perception skill if you can see a bunch of loot dots on the minimap in an area that you can't see a way into. Then just look around there to find the secret wall or whatever
>>345271825
Is there a direct way to detect secret walls in MM6?
>>345267783
Enjoy the better dungeons.
>>345217941
I've been playing dominions for a while and am loving it
I tried getting into HOMM3 and while I'm liking the factions and unit variety the battle system is just too goofy for me
What other games would you recommend to me?
>>345275561
Medieval 1 Total War
>>345275738
cool, I'll check it out
thanks
>>345277503
It has a turn based campaign map like RISK but with realtime battles with troop morale.
>>345233336
>>345220237
Poor guy's been screwed over since he sold off NWC
