1. GTX 970 or RX480
2. The most effective i5 cpu?
3. 8Gb DDR4 or 16Gb DDR3?
4. HDD or SSD
And why those?
>>345214482
1. RX 480 shits on the 970. More vram and using the new apis like dx12 and vulkan, it's way ahead.
2. 6600k
http://www.microcenter.com/product/451885/Core_i5-6600K_35GHz_1151_Boxed_Processor
3. DDR4 is pretty much the standard not sure which old ass mobo supports DDR3
4. What kind of question is this? Of course ssd is better but it costs a shitload more. If you can only have 1 storage medium, you are best off with 1 terabyte HDD
>>345215340
This.
Although from a purely gaming point of view I'd do some looking and get an older i5 for around 100 dollars.
>>345214482
gtx 1060
don't ever listen to people telling you to buy AMD. AMD is a sub-brand for poor people. over 70% of users on Steam have nvidia graphics cards.
>>345214482
>4. HDD or SSD
you get a 250gb ssd and a 1tb hdd or whatever. both.
>>345216370
I think like any brand vs brand thing people have a preference because of their previous experiences.
My 1GB HD 6870 has served me well for going on 4 years now, because of that I'm gonna continue to buy AMD. If my first real PC was with a nvidia card instead of AMD I might just as well buy nvidia, but so far I've had no reason to switch.
>>345215340
SSDs are cheap. You can get a 480gb ssd for $99
>>345216370
That's terrible advice when we don't have any good idea of how it's going to perform atm
>>345214482
1) RX480. prices for 970 stil havent gone down
2) All unlocked i5 are good. even 2nd gen i5s still play comparably with little bottle neck.
3) More RAM is better than faster RAM. Just choose Ram that fits your motherboard.
4) If you can afford, get an SSD. If not, get an ssd and hdd. Just put your windows in the SSD.
>>345216370
Here's your (You)
>>345216742
We already know how it's going to perform. The card is out in stores.
It's equivalent to a 480 in DX12 and significantly faster in Vulkan. Sorry, you lose.
AMD's 480 card did not meet PCI specification and drew up to 150-200v in spikes from the PCI express port. This is a huge issue that I have never before seen on any piece of computer hardware. The issue was fixed in drivers, but the result is that the card is undervolted and underclocked.
You buy a 480, you buy a card that is factory defective. It is not an argument. I have been buying video cards since rendition verite in 1995. I have bought cards of every generation. There has NEVER been a card with a huge electrical engineering error like on the 480 cards.
>>345214482
1. RX 480
>more VRAM
>newer
>cheaper
>better driver support going forward (Nvidia already put their 700 series in the legacy section while AMD still supports the HD 7000 series)
2. i5 6600, or 6600k version if you overclock. Anything above the 6600 is not needed for gaming but useful for other tasks
3. Not much different between DDR3 and DDR4 at the moment but may as well get DDR4 going forward
4. SSD for OS and your most played games, HDD for longterm storage
>>345217028
>AMD's 480 card did not meet PCI specification and drew up to 150-200v in spikes from the PCI express port
Wasn't that just the reference edition, with only one six pin connector?
>>345217028
>the card is out in stores
What? The GTX1060 doesn't release until next week.
>>345217028
>sorry, you lose
way to out yourself as just trying to win an internet argument rather than discuss anything.
>>345217060
>(Nvidia already put their 700 series in the legacy section while AMD still supports the HD 7000 series)
this is a lie.
nvidia factually has better driver support for older cards.
GEFORCE GAME READY DRIVER
Version: 368.81 WHQL
Release Date: 2016.7.14
GeForce 10 Series:
GeForce GTX 1080, GeForce GTX 1070
GeForce 900 Series:
GeForce GTX TITAN X, GeForce GTX 980 Ti, GeForce GTX 980, GeForce GTX 970, GeForce GTX 960, GeForce GTX 950
GeForce 700 Series:
GeForce GTX TITAN Z, GeForce GTX TITAN Black, GeForce GTX TITAN, GeForce GTX 780 Ti, GeForce GTX 780, GeForce GTX 770, GeForce GTX 760, GeForce GTX 760 Ti (OEM), GeForce GTX 750 Ti, GeForce GTX 750, GeForce GTX 745, GeForce GT 740, GeForce GT 730, GeForce GT 720, GeForce GT 710, GeForce GT 705
GeForce 600 Series:
GeForce GTX 690, GeForce GTX 680, GeForce GTX 670, GeForce GTX 660 Ti, GeForce GTX 660, GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST, GeForce GTX 650 Ti, GeForce GTX 650, GeForce GTX 645, GeForce GT 645, GeForce GT 640, GeForce GT 635, GeForce GT 630, GeForce GT 620, GeForce GT 610, GeForce 605
GeForce 500 Series:
GeForce GTX 590, GeForce GTX 580, GeForce GTX 570, GeForce GTX 560 Ti, GeForce GTX 560 SE, GeForce GTX 560, GeForce GTX 555, GeForce GTX 550 Ti, GeForce GT 545, GeForce GT 530, GeForce GT 520, GeForce 510
GeForce 400 Series:
GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420
The geforce 400 series if from 2010.
>>345215340
Skylakes only goes for DDR4
>>345214482
RX480
i5 6600k
16GB DDR3
both
>>345217179
They fixed it with a driver update too.
That guy sounds like a strangely obsessed shill
>>345217179
it was fixed in the same week of the release.
>>345217179
>with only one six pin connector?
for the millionth time, the six pin connector is not the issue. adding a power connector does not magically make all power come from the power connector. the card is specifically designed to draw x amount of power from the pci express port and they fucked it up.
>>345217234
it's out in stores.
>>345217281
go look up the benchmarks and discuss it with yourself.
480 factually lost to 1060. the end.
>>345217289
>>345217060
hilariously he lied twice in the same sentence.
>>345217028
Nvidia doesnt have aSync yet, how can you say they are DX12 and Vulkan faster than an AMD? Also, 1060 is by far the worst budget card made by Nvidia. This thing is just terrible.
>>345217379
>go look up the benchmarks and discuss it with yourself.
great contribution, I'm glad there are people like you around to tell it like it is. How else would everyone know how factually right you are?
>>345217379
>480 factually lost to 1060. the end.
>the end
based marketter
>>345217379
>No! Case CLOSED! STOP the discussion! Please ;_;
Holy shit dude
>>345217379
>go look up benchmarks
>on a card that hasn't released
You are a special kind of retard.
>>345217028
Yikes
> The card is out in stores.
No, it doesn't release until next week
>AMD's 480 card did not meet PCI specification and drew up to 150-200v in spikes from the PCI express port. This is a huge issue that I have never before seen on any piece of computer hardware. The issue was fixed in drivers, but the result is that the card is undervolted and underclocked.
Congratulations on having no fucking clue what you're talking about. The power usage problem was fixed with a driver update and actually IMPROVED performance
>>345217569
>Nvidia doesnt have aSync yet
games are not going to be programmed to take advantage of aSync as nvidia does not think it's important and nvidia controls the industry.
It's a tactic ATI has done since the mid 90s, they implement support for technology that nothing uses like NURBS and then claim their supremacy in it.
>>345217617
>>345217602
>>345217571
go look at that drivers page on amd.com and look at how they have 15 different drivers depending on what card you have (one generation apart) and their driver support stops like 4 generations back
then look at >>345217289
tell me which one you want in your system
tell me which one is for poor people and which company is obviously far more competent
the end. you can buy the trash if you want but if I can save OP from it i will.
>>345217661
I know you're autistic and can't understand complicated concepts like this, but retail stuff sometimes gets shipped out early
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-retail-launching-july/
you're wrong, shut the fuck up. thanks.
1) RX 480 is better and will age much, much better. the GTX -70 series always ages like milk
2) 6600 is best but cpus aren't that big of a deal. you don't need some crazy expensive cpu to do well in games
3) 8gb. you only need 8gb right now. but wanna know the great thing about ram? it takes 2 seconds to pop more sticks in. so if you need more ram in a few years, you can order two more sticks.
4) both. ssd for OS and some games and HDD for everything else.
>>345217028
0/10
Why are NVIDIOTs so dumb? Pic related, it's you.
480 fire strike ultra
>>345217179
Nearly everything about his post is laughably incorrect. The PCI issue is old news and was never really a big deal. Also, undervolting the 480 turned out to be great because it boosted the 480's performance by 3-4%.
1060 fire strike ultra
basically the 1060 beats the 480 in everything except ashes of the singularity, a game AMD spent money "gameworksing", and the 1060 equals the 480 in that game.
ashes of the singularity averages about 300 players at a time on steam.
>>345217891
>wccftech
>>345218449
>picture of never before seen retail cards from retailer who says they were selling the cards
>source somehow matters
right.
The 480 loses to the 1060 even in DX12 games, its supposed strength.
Where are the posts saying I'm not posting anything of substance? You guys got quiet.
The 1060 definitively is faster than the 480.
Nvidia's new "budget" card is faster than AMD's new flagship card.
>be me
>see discusting and immature behavior of PC gamers and especially PCMRetards
>don't want to suppport platform with such a shitty and hypocrytical audience
>literally stopped buying games on PC
>havent bought a game on PC for like 2 years
>pirate and play everything on PC though
>buy console version instead so I have a legal version and devs get my money
>>345216370
I remember when I bought a Radeon 7950 and an fx 8350. Never going back to shit tier AMD
>>345218647
>Nvidia's new "budget" card is faster than AMD's new flagship card.
and yet nvidia's budget card is still a quarter more expensive than amd's "flagship" card
face it, 480 is still the better performance/price card
>>345218372
>>345218281
>less than 1% higher graphics score
>more expensive
>doesn't perform as well in DX12 or Vulkan
I'm gonna be straight with you pham, this looks woefully unimpressive
>>345218724
>be sonycuck
>get so mad he spams his pasta in rage
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vulkan-benchmarks-amd-nvidia/#diagramm-doom-mit-vulkan-2560-1440
480 even with huge performance boost from Vulkan can't catch up with Vulkan 980 TI, 1060 should be about fast as 980 TI
>>345218978
>mad sonnyger boogeyman
>>345218647
You do realize those benchmarks came from NVIDIA, right? Anyone that believes benchmarks from the company that made the card is retarded.
>>345218945
>>doesn't perform as well in DX12 or Vulkan
you're ignoring all the other posts showing that it significantly outperforms the 480 in dx12 and vulkan
im not goign to acknowledge posts of this nature again. :)
>>345219061
>mad sonycuck is mad
>>345214482
>1. GTX 970 or RX480
980, because fuck AMD.
>2. The most effective i5 cpu?
2500k
>3. 8Gb DDR4 or 16Gb DDR3?
16 ddr3
>4. HDD or SSD
HDD. SSD is only a meme
>>345219139
I am actually laughing about how PC cucks are angry about what I do. It is quite fun.
>>345219105
>Anyone that believes benchmarks from the company that made the card is retarded.
It's not as if they can lie about them, it'd be a PR disaster. This has happened for years. The numbers are reliable from either company.
>>345219267
>sonycuck gets called out
>I-I'm not a sonycuck
>I do it for laughs
stay booty blasted cuck
>>345219310
>It's not as if they can lie about them
>3.5 Gigs
>>345219406
I love you anon.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-leaked-benchmarks/
oh look YET ANOTHER source just appeared showing the 1060 is faster than the 480
>but but muh price per performance
muh driver updates every 6 months vs every time a game comes out!
>but but WCCFTECH CHINESE
yes all the benchmarks are lies! all of them! all of the 5 sources so far I've posted showing the 1060 being significantly faster than the 480 are all fake lies :))
does anyone else want to get btfo today i mean really. The cards are out in stores so if we monitor benchmark sites youll see stuff going up in realtime.
>>345214482
>1. GTX 970 or RX480
Rx 480.
>2. The most effective i5 cpu?
6600K
>3. 8Gb DDR4 or 16Gb DDR3?
Most people don't need more than 8GB. Depends on (You).
>4. HDD or SSD
Both.
>>345219531
i know it's irrelevant to you and you can't understand what happened, but i assure you nvidia's engineers were screaming in fury when the 970 was marketed as a 4gb card.
if you've ever worked in a corporate environment you understand marketing people. if you haven't you don't.
that also wasn't a benchmark.
>i5 2500k
>8GB
>HD 6950
>already have SSD for OS
Should I upgrade? I can only play Overwatch on Lowest settings right now, but I don't really mind. Even for games I can max, I play on lowest setting because I like the best possible performance.
>>345219619
>1060 with async off beats 480 with async on
welp, there goes that "async superiority" bullshit
1. Wait for the 1060 before you make a decision
2. i5 6600k has treated me well
3. DDR4 is barely an improvement over 3 so I would go with 16GB DDR3
4. If you can afford it go with a large SSD, otherwise get a small SSD for OS and an HDD for all your gaems
>>345219692
What's to say the marketing hasn't intervened in this case as well? I'm not arguing over which card is better, just that trusting benchmarks from a company known to lie to it's customers isn't wise.
>>345219310
>VW installed software on their vehicles to cheat emissions tests on diesel cars
>a huge part of their marketing for years was "clean diesel"
>this lying is revealed
>almost no one gives a shit
>>345218647
all of those 480 benchmarks are wrong lol
>>345214482
Wait for the 1060. Also don't listen to the AMDrones. They had their chance with the 480, but they absolutely blew it.
>>345220246
okie dokie trust the exactly equivalent benchmarks from the 4 other sources ive posted so far. go fuck yourself retard.
>>345220303
>almost no one gives a shit
VW has to pay 15 fucking BILLION DOLLARS to the US government to continue doing business in this country
>>345220487
Kek if an aftermarket 480 can match the 300 buck aftermarket 1060 that's already bad as nvidia's shit gets worse over years. Not to mention the 1060 will cost 300 bucks and only has 6 vram.
>>345217028
>AMD's 480 card did not meet PCI specification and drew up to 150-200v
It wasn't even 150w: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html
>in spikes from the PCI express port.
Current on any GPU is _never_ consistent. That's not how it works, retard:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-11.html
>The issue was fixed in drivers, but the result is that the card is undervolted and underclocked.
There's a "compatibility mode" which makes the card 3% slower:
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/radeon-rx-480-crimson-16.7.2-test/#diagramm-performancerating-1920-1080
Without it, power gets shifted to the 6-pin, which is less of an issue, as the wires can actually handle much more. The amount of 12V pins doesn't even change to an 8-pin.
>You buy a 480, you buy a card that is factory defective. It is not an argument.
>Hurr durr look at my made-up bullshit I am right no matter what
Kill yourself
>I have been buying video cards since rendition verite in 1995. I have bought cards of every generation.
>Look how much I use my "experience" as the ultimate strawman to prove me right instead of providing sources
KIll yourself
>There has NEVER been a card with a huge electrical engineering error like on the 480 cards.
Like you know what electrical engineering even means, faggot.
>>345217797
>games are not going to be programmed to take advantage of aSync as nvidia does not think it's important and nvidia controls the industry.
[citation needed]
We'll see how that works out in the future. There's a couple of games with it already. :^)
>>345218647
>Benchmarks released by Nvidia
>Anything of substance
>Poolaris
>Flagship
At least make your shilling less obvious, holy fuck.
>>345220634
>We'll see how that works out in the future. There's a couple of games with it already. :^)
yes make sure to look up the benchmarks i just posted of the 1060 non async beating the 480 async in DX12. LOL!!!!!!!!!
tl;dr your post. The argument is arleady settled read the thread.
>>345220592
third party 1060 cards are $250. 480 cards are also $250.
>>345220516
The government cares, consumers don't. The vast majority of consumers will never notice things like emissions or benchmarks lies and even if they don't like don't care. Companies have no qualms about lying to you to get you to buy their products.
>>345220516
So they were honest once. That still doesn't change you'll get fucked in the ass sooner or later by any company you blindly trust like a retard you are.
>>345220816
>consumers don't
if you think consumers don't remember things like that you are absolutely mad.
i'm sorry /v/ but your fickle view of reality does not make the world. PR disasters are PR disasters and people do remember. VW has already taken a huge sales hit.
>>345219136
The only other post that shows that is those benches straight from Nvidia. I'm not that gullible, sorry. Those benches also contradict the firestrike results you just posted.
>>345214482
480 is the best, don't listen to autistic nvidia weirdos
6600
You need ddr4 for 6600
Ssd for OS and certain games but get 1tb hdd for cheap
>>345221020
>>345219619
won't bother replying to you again. i instructed you to read the thread. do as you are told before replying.
can someone advise?
>>345219812
>>345219812
>>345214482
>2. The most effective i5 cpu?
people are saying 6600K but an older i5 4690K might be a much better deal for you depending on sales in your area. As long as you can OC the CPU, that's all you honestly need if people are still happy with their 2500K
>>345221208
I'd get an Rx 470
>>345214482
There's not much real-world performance difference for DDR3 and DDR4 in games. It's just a platform difference. Certain motherboards and cpus can only use DDR4.
>>345216370
>AMD is a sub-brand for poor people
The 480 and 1060 are in the same price bracket
Founder's edition garbage will rake up the price of the 1060 most likely to 300. The true challenge lies in the aftermarket versions of both cards. As in which one overclock's better and which one wins out on average. Well I'm not getting either but if I was I'd still go for the 480 just for that 8 gb vram. Unless the 1060 has a huge advantage over it which doesn't seem to be the case.
We'll see in a few days. The other factor is how quickly nvidia tends to ditch the x60 series. If you look at 760 vs 280 or 960 vs 380 benches these days, they don't do so hot. So anyone who plans to use this card for a while, it's always better to go amd. If it's a minor side grade I really don't think it matters which you pick.
>>345221949
>If you look at 760 vs 280 or 960 vs 380 benches these days, they don't do so hot.
? youre comparing flagship cards with budget cards of course they dont do so hot
>>345217891
>>345219619
>but but WCCFTECH CHINESE
wcctech is known as a rumor melting pot for a reason.
They also had "leaked footage" of a 480 rivaling the 980 and Fury: http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-gaming-performance-review-leaked/
>all of the 5 sources
If you don't get money for this level of shilling, I'd consider suicide.
>yes make sure to look up the benchmarks i just posted of the 1060 non async beating the 480 async in DX12. LOL!!!!!!!!!
Benchmarks released by Nvidia without any further context are absolutely worthless. But of course, you're in for the shilling.
Here's what Async Shaders on Vulkan can do:
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vulkan-benchmarks-amd-nvidia/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-doom-vulkan-patch-shows-game-changing-performance-gains
>>345221130
>The argument is arleady settled read the thread.
mfw >>345217617
>>345222136
They were in the same price bracket. Try again, pajeet.
>>345222136
No he's not
>>345222238
>They were in the same price bracket
no, they weren't. are you the same guy who double lied earlier that the amd 7000 is supported and nvidia 700 series isn't?
the argument is over 1060 is factually a better card than 480 and nvidia factually has better support than amd
/thread
please stop trying to argue against objective facts. it embarrasses the human race.
>>345219619
Oh yeah, just like those leaks that claimed the 480 was R9 Nano level. Totally legit, right?
>>345222407
the card is out in stores anon. tens of benchmarks will appear in the next day. go check yourself.
im done. it gets really, really old arguing with delusional fanboys
1. 1060 for VR, 480 if 1060's benchmarks fall under it.
2. I heard 6600K but if you're starting out, you don't need to overclock so go for the regular 6600
3. Depends on your motherboard. DDR4 is the only compatible RAM for the 6600
4. 250gb SSD for OS and most used programs, 1TB-2TB HDD for storage. Both should be around $50 if you look around.
>>345222401
>nvidia factually has better support than amd
Which is why a 370 is cucking the shit out of a 780ti here, right?
>>345222401
>the argument is over 1060 is factually a better card than 480 and nvidia factually has better support than amd
The argument isn't over until there are independent benchmarks from reliable sources with their testing methods disclosed. The 480 was also portrayed as a "980 killer" by many "leaked" sources and we've seen how this worked out.
I don't disagree in waiting for the 1060, but even if it delivers, what will the starting price be? They're going to release another "Founders Edition" at a higher price point, which certainly wouldn't sell if the "249$ MSRP" was available at the exact same time:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10474/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-july-19
If that is the case, there is no shame in getting a 480 now, unless the 1060 absolutely BTFOs it. But we won't know until the 19th.
>please stop trying to argue against objective facts. it embarrasses the human race.
>objective facts
>objective
You're the only embarrassment here.
>>345222654
>the card is out in stores anon.
No it isn't. Not for the masses.
>it gets really, really old arguing with delusional fanboys
t. Nvidia astrosurfer
>>345222401
>no, they weren't
Geforce 760, 249$ MSRP: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review
Radeon 280, 279$ MSRP: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7828/amd-announces-radeon-r9-280-radeon-hd-7950b-returns
Radeon 380, 199$ MSRP: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review
Geforce 960, 199$ MSRP: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-960
>who double lied earlier that the amd 7000 is supported and nvidia 700 series isn't?
No, and I don't think this is what he actually said.
>>345222654
>im done.
>I don't have any reliable sources to prove my points and my shilling doesn't seem to work, so I quit!
>>345222401
You're painfully uninformed
>>345222654
>it gets really, really old arguing with delusional fanboys
This is a true statement. If only you understood what you're saying.
>>345218826
> tfw i have a 7870 and 8320
>>345218826
I remember when I bought a GTX 480. Never going back to shit tier Nvidia
I remember when I bought a Pentium 4 2.6. Never going back to shit tier Intel
>People who reccomend AMD GPUs and CPUs
lel
>>345214482
1. RX 480 that isnt reference (custom cooler)
they have had problems where the card doesnt get enough power and PC turns off, i know they patched it with a driver but i dont trust it
2. probably something like a 6600k or whatever the best bang for buck that the mobo supports
3. DDR4 is what everything is using now a days and it isnt backwards compatible
4. if you have the budget
get a 500gb SSD and a 1tb HDD
>>345228951
>Nvidia shill got btfo so hard he's just shitposting now
