Garrosh did nothing wrong and Thrall is a traitor for changing sides
>>345207918
Things garrosh added to the horde:
More spikes
Things garrosh detracted from the horde:
Everything else completely.
Can any of you name anything effective he did while in control, other than growling and alienating the rest of the horde?
>>345208136
Hate Thrall like we all do.
Also put the fucking WAR in Warcraft.
>>345208339
So nothing that helped the horde do anything.
>>345207918
Who cares?
As soon as the developers stop caring about the lore, you should to.
>>345207918
all lore from WoW is not legitimate lore so you are basically trying to debate fake shit the original writers of the warcraft series wasn't involved with.
it's like saying "Gandalf did nothing wrong when he used the artillery strikes to kill Frodo's army in the 12th book in the series because Frodo allied with Gimli's evil twin."
>>345208494
fuckin' gandalf
>>345208494
Why can't we discuss lore from the game though? They were attempting an evolving narrative I don't get why this particular section of fiction is beyond discussion
>>345208784
Because as >>345208426 pointed out, there is no point. Blizzard have retconned so many ideas and produced so many stupid ideas there is no point discussing it, beyond calling them out on each individual stupid point.
The fact you are still keeping track of Warcraft lore confuses and scares me.
Thrall was a piece of shit who dropped the horde to jerk off with the elements, and didn't make sure his replacement was, at the least, fucking stable. He could have put Eitrigg, or convinced Saurfang, but no, let's put the hotheaded son of the guy who fucked orcs up to begin with on the throne
Thrall was a cunt, but Garrosh was a retard for chimping out at everything
>>345207918
They're both shit characters.
>>345208993
I kept track of everything going on during cata that's what I thought we were discussing. Duck you kids are depressing
>Want to talk lore guys?
>No there's no point
Fucking dull
>>345208339
>Also put the fucking WAR in Warcraft
You're the sort of person that ruined Warcraft.
>>345209680
Fine I'll bite.
>Why did Ragnaros and Nefarian suddenly become friends when Deathwing turned up?
>Why did the Gundrak and Gurubashi trolls side with the Zandalari? The latter sent horde and alliance adventurers to kill their leaders.
>Why are Worgen Death Knights a thing?
There, 3 Cataclysm related topics for you to answer.
>>345208379
More than usual that's for sure.
>>345209859
Are you retarded?
>>345210024
Also why did Thrall change his hair?
Reminder that the dragons are now doomed to extinction
Since everyone seems to be coming back from the dead, think we'll ever see Arthas again?Would Post Theramore!Jaina just straight up kill him if she saw him?
>>345210884
While honestly the lich king was killed off to quickly Arthas's story is over and he should under no circumstance come back, not even as a force ghost
only thing I could accept would be the theory that all of Wotlk was a plot by Nerzhul to get himself a more obedient body while at the same time convincing the world the scourge is no longer a threat
>Garrosh
>Villain of the last two expansions
>Dies in a quest cutscene that rewards you with a blue helmet
>>345207918
so, nostfags, where are those legacy servers? can you live with the fact that you got shafted hard?
>>345210024
Whats wrong with worgen dk?
Turning Garrosh into a villain was an almost criminal misuses of his character. He was much better when he was not actively malicious but merely in over his head and desperately trying to fill the void Thrall left while also remaining true to the orcish heritage
watching him slowly grow into a capable warchief would have been interesting
instead we got essentially "lolcorrupted"
>>345211349
If there must always be a Lich king, why did the Legion even create one in the first place?
Why didn't some of the Scourge leaders stage a coup against Arthas? He leaves Frostmourne unattended after all.
>>345211580
Because their free will was mostly held back, wasn't it? If Anub'arak had more of his will, I have no doubt he would have betrayed Arthas
>>345211580
absolute mental control over the scourge kinda prevented that
that said its why a theory it was all a plot works, "there must always be a lich king" is a whole load of plausible bullshit in order to trick the argent crusade into not destroying the helmet
>>345211349
We thought the same of Illidan, and look at the fucker now. He's a fucking angel
>>345209859
>You're the sort of person that ruined Warcraft.
He made Cataclysm?
>>345211538
>Worgen are immune to the Plague, which is why Arugal summoned then as the perfect warrior to defend Gilnaes.
>This is why in Cataclysm, refugees from Southshore asked to become Worgen to avoid turning into Forsaken soldiers.
>Death Knights under the Scourge are undead champions
>Undead champion, powered by the plague, in the body of something which is apparently immune to it.
Also begs the question why the Lich King felt it necessary to recruit Arugal's ghost in Grizzly Hills. Why would you create an army of wolf men who are literally immune to everything you throw at them?
>>345210024
>>Why did Ragnaros and Nefarian suddenly become friends when Deathwing turned up?
They weren't
>>Why did the Gundrak and Gurubashi trolls side with the Zandalari?
What are you referring to?
>>Why are Worgen Death Knights a thing?
minion of arugal
>>345210417
It's ok me and my wife Ysera are expecting children.
>>345212010
>>345211729
>free will
How does this shit even work? You have mass walk outs like the Forsaken and the Ebon Blade, and you have individuals like Arcanus who could seemingly break when ever he wanted.
why is metzen so, so shit
>>345211842
and its still stupid, and it'll still never not be stupid
>>345212151
the forsaken happened when the lich king was severely weakened due to Illidan's magical nuke and couldn't properly keep control over all his minions
>>345211842
>We thought the same of Illidan
Those who were paying attention knew Illidan wasn't dead.
>>345211927
His thought was probably, better I have it than someone else.
>>345208136
He didnt actually alienate the Horde. Every race of the Horde that he "betrayed", betrayed him first.
I dont think it was intentional on blizzards side to do this, but, Garrosh was getting betrayed before he did anything.
Take Vol'Jin for instance who threatened to kill Garrosh before Garrosh had done a single ill thing to the Troll, and then continued on by always being insobordinate.
>>345211927
maybe to try and build a scourge so strong it can infect worgenism.
Wotlk fucked up hard by ignoring nerzhul. the whole xpac should have been the alliance facing arthas and the horde facing nerzhul. they built him to be just like a wc2 DK and didn't go with it.
The other new lore added in wotlk was pretty well done and tasteful though.
Garrosh was a terrible leader but a great story peice. I think he and variyn are good examples of story telling done right. Im gonna miss Voljin, he was very under utilized and should prolly be immune to death.
>>345211992
>They weren't
What the fuck does this mean? Of course they suddenly became allies. The Twilight Hammer and the Dark Iron were on Ragnaros's side, and the Dark Horde and Black Dragonflight on Nefarians. Deathwing turns up, resurrects Nefarian, gives Ragnaros legs, and they suddenly become buddies.
>What are you referring to?
The whole of patch 4.1, and the subsequent stupid shit involving the Zandalari like Throne of Thunder.
>>345211992
See >>345211927
>>345212350
beacuse voljin is next to velen in power level and is the best seer on azeroth
should have done it desu
>>345212430
Ner'zhul had supposedly been destroyed by Arthas, so of course he was a nonentity
>>345212350
garrosh during cata was (probably by accident) a fairly good character with a lot of subtlety to him
thus blizzard being blizzard couldn't work with it and turned him full on evil
>>345212559
Its somewhat ironic that Vol'Jin's patron diety wants him to become a second (third?) Lich King and that Vol'Jin himself does entrape the souls of those he kills.
He is more a lich king than Sylvaanas.
>>345210417
>>345212010
Ysera is killed in Val'sharahby you after Xavius gives her the nightmare dick
>>345212592
which is the single dumbest possible thing that happened
doubly so because IT HAPPENED IN A BOOK
the Lich King at the end of TFT worked perfectly in that was an entity both human and orc and was set up to be the prime example of what would happen if the 2 great forces of the warcraft universe could truly work together
im still a little salty that worgen aren't from another planet. I dont think anyone would mind seeing Argul again, this lore could use work.
>>345212325
Don't you talk shit.
It's bad enough he survived Warcraft 3, let alone his Black Temple encounter.
>>345212314
So explain the Ebon Blade then? From what I gathered, they just got annoyed when Arthas left them for dead and left.
>>345212327
For what purpose? The Worgen were pretty much dead at this point, and where he decided to use it was already pretty much under his control.
>>345210417
Reminder that blue dragons are present in the broken isles and starving for magic (again) and will likely take the fel dick and become antagonists
>>345212707
I will forever be salty about that. But at least we have Alex, for now
>>345211842
>he thinks we ever killed Illidan
>implying demons die
>>345212806
The Forsaken were mostly former mindless undead scourge, the Ebon Blade were formed by Death Knights who had their own free will and were brainwashed/tortured to serve the Scourge
>>345212814
>Starving for magic
What's stopping them from hauling ass to the Nexus and getting their fix at home
>>345212654
I trust him with that power though. You can command the dead and still be a pretty okay guy. He isn't amassing an army of the dead, is he? Not experimenting like Slyvannis. ( never read his book)
>>345212806
Lich King again was severely weakened during the DK questline and its during that weakness they gained their independence
>>345212941
Of course he didn't die, Maiev would never let her sex toy go
>>345213040
kinda hilarious that Maiev is the only night elf left
rest are purple cheerleaders
>>345211927
Immune to the plague, yes. Not necromancy.
Go look at the piles of bodies being used by the necromancers in Acherus, that's literally where your character was about 5 minutes before you enter the DK intro.
>>345212962
Something about how since they lost their aspect powers by fueling the dragon soul their ability to feed off leylines diminished/their ability to sustain their hunger diminished
>>345212958
>>345212994
So are they more dangerous or what?
I would have thought during that brief 2 or 3 minutes before Bolvar put on the helmet, huge parts of the Scourge would have left, and yet apparently without a Lich King they are more powerful.
Does this make the Forsaken/Ebon Blade/Anyone else who breaks free more powerful than the Scourge?
>>345213235
So, instead, they are going to go full Blood Elf, and get their fix off Fel magic. Fucking wonderful, everything is coming full circle
>>345213309
They haven't gone full blood elf yet, but considering the Nightborne pretty much have the same storyline as the blood elves, and the blue dragons parallel them on the Broken Isles to the point where they're being fed on by nightborne wretched, it's likely.
>>345213274
what does not kill me makes me stronger------megatron
>>345213274
Ebon Blade were elite soldiers that retained a portion of their free will at all times
Lich King during the TFT campaign was weakened for a significant period of time
that said the whole bolvar, helmet thing is idiotic and filled with plotholes anyways
>>345212489
Allies is not the same as friends
They both just worked towards the same end goal
>>The whole of patch 4.1, and the subsequent stupid shit involving the Zandalari like Throne of Thunder.
Zandalar got pretty much completely destroyed during the cataclysm, which led to the prophet Zul taking a bunch of trolls and leaving the island and contacting the Gurubashi trolls.
Basically the Zandalari trolls wants to recreate the troll empire and therefor tried to unite all the tribes
The Zandalari were allied to the Mogu back in the days which explains the ToT storyline
Worgens arent immune to being raised as undead, they were just immune to the plauge
>>345213479
>one mutation later
well of eternity is one hell of a drug
>>345213162
How does this explain anything? Were you resurrected in your wolf form or as a human?
Isn't Scourge based necromancy powered by the plague?
Also, what's the point of the Worgen then as invincible immune warriors if they can be resurrected regardless?
>>345213040
>reverse image search gives me pictures of spider man
>>345213546
Magic.
>>345207918
He was right until he started his bullshit about the horde and true orcs and stick with old god stuff. But the other horde leader didn't really helped him and were bitching at each decision he made.Everything was against him but doesn't mean that he was right.
Thrall was literally a retard in the Cata pre-event. His choice to left the horde and come back then was even worse.
>>345213864
It's personalami
>>345213479
I'm not counting MoP lore here so don't bring Mogu shit into it.
The point is that the Drakkari trolls and Gurubashi trolls would not have joined up. The Zandalari, before their island "sunk", sent people to murder their leaders and their gods. Even in the patch 4.1 trailer they talk about the Drakkari being Godless traitors and the Sand Trolls being too weak. So much for a united empire.
And don't give me any bullshit like "maybe they killed their leaders to replace them with pro-Zandalari ones". This whole plot started before the island sunk, and so the idea to create an empire would not have been a priority when they murdered the other trolls leaders.
>allies is not the same as friends
Now you are nitpicking.
>>345213546
>Isn't Scourge based necromancy powered by the plague?
Just look at the arthas storyline
Did he eat any bad grain?
Death knights and liches abd most other higher undead are created by death magic, though long winded rituals. Oou can create an army faster though the thinned down magic in form of of plagues like the orignal one that was spread through food, or the newer ones that are mostly gas based, but that usually only gives you zombies and ghouls and other low ranking mooks.
>>345212559
>beacuse voljin is next to velen in power level
Wait, fucking what?
>>345213546
>Not only are the Val'kyr less powerful than the Lich King when it comes to raising the undead, but the worgen curse also makes raising them into undeath far more difficult than it is for normal humans. The worgen curse has roots in both the Emerald Dream (through the wolf Ancient, Goldrinn) and the holy power of the goddess Elune. In addition, those worgen who imbibe the waters of Tal'doren—through the ritual they undergo to maintain balance between the worgen curse and their humanity—have a further resistance to the corruption of undeath.
It's because the lich king is 2strong
>>345213939
>posting weak nelf butts when you can have real as to zug zug
>>345213546
The plague was designed by Ner'zhul to quickly and efficiently kill off humans.
Think about it. What's better for creating an undead army, an 100% mortality rate infection spreading from person to person, or getting your limited necromancers to slowly raise the dead?
>>345214174
>accepting the Worgens as Night Elf dindus
No.
>>345211927
Arthas Res > Valk Res
Not hard, and you can be immune to something and still master it.
I look forward to new Demon Hunters
>>345214342
>>345214191
>>345214049
If you can prove there are two different types of "res power" used by the scourge, then I'll concede and believe you. And no I don't just want "look at these two people" I want the actually magic/disease/whatever they use.
>>345210024
>Why did Ragnaros and Nefarian suddenly become friends when Deathwing turned up?
When is that implied? Even if so, Ragnaros is a slave of the Old Gods and so a servant of Deathwing in Cataclysm. Nefarian is the son of Deathwing, and so his servant as well.
>Why did the Gundrak and Gurubashi trolls side with the Zandalari? The latter sent horde and alliance adventurers to kill their leaders.
Cataclysm destroyed Zuldazar and presumably killed Rastakhan. The remaining Zandalari seek to unite the remaining trolldoms in order to re-estabilish the troll empire and basically survive and stay relevant.
>Why are Worgen Death Knights a thing?
This is specifically explained during the DK intro if you play a worgen. Worgen death knights come from the pack of worgen that Arugal summoned and kept at Shadowfang Keep.
>>345214185
Mein neger
Green, barbaric beauties is where it's at
>>345214257
worgen would have fit better with old style night elves
>ah you to love tear the throats out of orcs, undeads and everyone affiliated with them, welcome to Darnassus, enjoy your stay
>>345214389
more like SEMEN demon hunters
amirite
>>345213479
>>345213535
where did these come from?
>>345214580
Okay, Frostmourne > Valks
Done.
>>345214257
I was quoting the devs.
>>345214389
Did Sargeras rip all of their eyes out and implant magical orbs or what?
>>345214589
>When is that implied? Even if so, Ragnaros is a slave of the Old Gods and so a servant of Deathwing in Cataclysm. Nefarian is the son of Deathwing, and so his servant as well.
Why were the fighting before then?
>Cataclysm destroyed Zuldazar and presumably killed Rastakhan. The remaining Zandalari seek to unite the remaining trolldoms in order to re-estabilish the troll empire and basically survive and stay relevant.
See >>345213946
Reminder that Sargeras was a misguided good guy all along, and the void lords you have killed a couple thousand times are the ultimate evils, while old gods are just their pawns.
>>345214718
http://gear.blizzard.com/wow-chronicle-vol1
>>345213946
>I'm not counting MoP lore here so don't bring Mogu shit into it.
But you were the one that brought up the Throne of Thunder
>The point is that the Drakkari trolls and Gurubashi trolls would not have joined up. The Zandalari, before their island "sunk", sent people to murder their leaders and their gods. Even in the patch 4.1 trailer they talk about the Drakkari being Godless traitors and the Sand Trolls being too weak. So much for a united empire.
>And don't give me any bullshit like "maybe they killed their leaders to replace them with pro-Zandalari ones". This whole plot started before the island sunk, and so the idea to create an empire would not have been a priority when they murdered the other trolls leaders.
It's important to remember that Zul, who united the troll tribes, was never a Zandalari leader. He was simply a prophet that forsaw the Cataclysm.
The Gurubashi wanted to reconquer Stranglethorn Vale and the rest of their lost land and the Amani wanted to recreate the Amani Empire, therefor they joined up
>Now you are nitpicking.
No, they simply both wanted to bring forth the Hour of Twilight.
>>345214580
War of the Spider, WCIII manual.
Ner'zhul tried to use plague on the nerubians, didn't work, had to use necromancy to make the crypt fiends.
>>345214734
No no.
I want to know it is exactly the Valks have that differs from that of Frostmourne.
>>345214718
WoW: Chronicles
Plenty of new cool maps and artwork
>>345214874
They poke out their own eyes so they can see magic or something like that.
so what are the chances of pic related eventually being an xpac boss?
>>345214906
>Sargeras
>THE ROGUE TITAN HELLBENT ON DESTROYING EVERYTHING
>Is now a dindu good boy
Fucking kill me
>>345215057
So where does the Forbidding Sea end and the Veiled Sea begin?
>>345215057
When did the Broken Isles pop up?
>>345215162
100% and about 90% that it will be in the expansion after Legion
>>345214986
Finally a decent answer. Thank you anon.
>>345214967
I merely brought it up because shit involving the Zandalari has continued onwards. I didn't have you to actually reference it.
Are the Zandalari united then or what? Again if you wanted to conquer your lost land, why the fuck would you side with the people who caused you to lose all that land in the first place? It'd be like Zul'jin siding with the Horde again.
>>345215162
I miss Vashj
>>345215162
pretty close to 90%
>>345210417
>dragons are hot elves
>killing them instead of chaining them up and using them for breeding purposes
>>345215250
They have been there a long time, but only recently have they been THAT big.
Saying that, no inclusion of any South Sea islands near where the wandering isle is.
>>345215392
Orcs tried that on Alex. Didn't end so well for them
>>345210417
Why are they doomed to extinction? They can still breed...
>>345215273
hope they don't fuck it up to badly, ancient elf queen, master of all forms magic be it arcane, demonic or even old gods, should be one hell of a battle
>>345214906
Void Lords are not Voidlords.
>>345215527
No they can't. They're sterile now
>>345215550
>hope they don't fuck it up to badly
Have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years?
redpill me on Mists of Pandaria lore
exclude any pandas please--it's why I didn't play the expansion
>>345215457
He means breeding WITH the "hot elves" not forcing them to breed with each other for mounts.
This is 4chan think like a horny fucker and everything makes sense.
>>345215581
Where is the source of this? They gave up their power as aspects, what is making them sterile?
>>345215665
Every major event during the expansions might as well have no involved Pandaria or the Pandas. You can substitute every event for something else.
>>345215352
I wonder was she loyal to Illidan or was she always a double agent trying to further whatever goal the naga as a whole are after
>>345211349
watch the death knight order hall quests, Nerzhul isn't dead. and Bolvar is acting highly suspect.
>>345215235
Nobody knows, there might be something on the other side of Azeroth or it's just two names for the same sea
>>345215250
They've been there the entire time, but the Tomb of Sargeras was risen by Gul'dan in Warcraft 2
>>345214580
What exactly do you want?
Kel'thuzad had to be rezzed as a lich by a ritual that involved his ashes and the entire power of the sunwell because, as was stated ingame he was a too powerful enthity to resurrect normally.
Arthas had his soul drained by frostmourne and by being bound to the sword was turned into a deathknight.
Then there's>>345214986
The fucking worgen also are an example. It doesn't work though the thinned down plague, but the rituals do.
what am I supposed to give you? A graph showing the differing magomagnetical wavelengths of the ritual to make a deathknight and what's in the gas Sylvanas pisses all over Gilneas?
>>345215826
She was probably loyal to Illy to a point, but she was also working for the Nagas.
So, both
>>345215910
I'm pretty sure we've seen a globe of Azeroth multiple times in-game.
There is no "other side"
>>345215457
Yo I meant fucking them when I said breeding, not making red dragon babies
>>345215910
>who knows
The Titans in Ulduar know, considering they have projections of Azeroth everywhere, with no indication of any lost continent.
Saying that, Pandaria is a thing, so never mind.
>>345215672
>You will never be Alex's consort
>>345211349
>>345215897
This is really the only thing that doesn't make sense with the whole Bolvar storyline imo
According to past lore Ner'zhul was completely dead and no control over Arthas
But now in Legion it seems like Ner'zhuls spirit/soul/whatever is stuck in Frostmourne in some way, which is really weird
>>345212350
You've got it wrong, senpai. Garrosh tried to shit on every other race of the Horde during his time as it's Warchief. He removed any non-orc from the Valley of Strength simply for not not being orcs before he began oppressing his own people and managed to fuck up so badly that his own faction turned on him. Nevermind that he threatened to kill Baine and gloated about Cairne's death when he wasn't busy oppressing Darkspear.
Garrosh is some retard orc people flock to because he's loud and shouts a lot. Nobody betrayed Garrosh. Garrosh betrayed the Horde's ideals.
>>345210240
Are you really going to argue that Blizzard trying to "put the WAR back in Warcraft!" didn't totally fuck the game and ruin everything?
Because it did. And if you're arguing against that, you're a fucking moron.
>>345216049
>Pandaria shrouded by "fog"
Literally how do you hide an entire continent south of the world?
>>345211562
he wasn't corrupted. in fact in the War Crimes novel he gets up in the middle of court and tells everyone to go fuck themselves and how he regrets nothing he did.
>>345215665
Like history lore or stuff that happened during the expansion?
>>345215968
I wonder what the new "good" illidan would do if faced with the naga queen herself
>>345215994
>>345216049
The globe is incorrect and the devs has said so multiple times.
Obviously they couldnt put all the future continents on a globe back then
>>345215550
You will slap her tentacles around while Thrall charges a space laser.
>>345208494
12th book wasnt as good as the 13th book
I loved the part when Boromir did the musical number with Saromon to lull Tom Bombadil's successor back to sleep after she shit her diaper at the Battle of Three Queefs
>>345215942
What the anon said with the war of the spider thing was good enough.
>Plague power necromancy for general undead
>special type used on Nerubians
Yeah it's stupid, far too situational and sounds more like a childs answer to fixing an issue, but I'll accept there are two types used by the Scourge now.
>>345216106
The books aren't necessarily canon either. The only thing we currently can take for 100% granted is what they write in the chronicles books.
>>345216210
I was hoping beyond hope that, since Doomhammer is a weapon now, Thrall would die
I'm so sick of Metzen's self insert
>>345215994
Yeah but that was before they decided to actually try to be consistent with the lore.
>>345216106
It all being a massive plot by Ner'zhul would be pretty damn neat
after all the majority of major scourge members we killed was either raised by or somehow loyal to Arthas and Uther's spirit already showed up in another place showing he clearly wasn't stuck in forstmourne unlike what he claims during Wotlk
would also be a neat way for Blizz to not throw one of their best villains away entirely
>>345216208
>people who helped shape the world are wrong
Fuck me. You know right at the beginning when I said "what's the point when even the devs don't care", this is precisely what I was referring to.
>>345216049
>Shaohao covered Pandaria in mist to discourage the Legion from invading
>The Titans forgot about the continent too
>>345215672
>He means breeding WITH the "hot elves" not forcing them to breed with each other for mounts.
>Implying Alexstrasza is more attractive than an elf than a dragon
Hahaha, look at this pleb.
>>345215672
>Where is the source of this? They gave up their power as aspects, what is making them sterile?
It's is some book. Alexstrasza laments how giving up her powers apparently made every single dragon of her flight infertile. No explanations as to how or why, she just wishes it only happened to her.
It's dumb as fuck.
>>345216160
Probably run away and consort with demons again.
>>345208339
>fighting the Legion
>not a World Warcraft
>>345216316
>Blizzard
>consistent lore
>>345216301
Azshara wrecking Thrall completely and utterly in a 1 on 1 fight would be a good way to introduce how big a deal she is
well if Thrall got his elemental mojo back
>>345216372
nigga it was just an in game globe
of course the Titan knew if there was an other side of Azeroth, but they couldnt put that in the game
not a very hard concept to grasp
>>345216301
What happened to the Doomhammer that was in the past in WoD? Is that around?
>>345216504
Now that, I could live with. Seeing Thrall get put in his place would give such a wonderful feeling
>>345216584
As far as I know they just fucking left it with the dead Orgrim in Talador that was introduced and died in a single twenty-minute span
>>345216261
>Hydrochloric acid can't dissolve copper
>Nitric acid can
>neither can dissolve gold
>a mix of the two can
It's the same with the different forms of Necromancy. One is more potent than the other, it's that simple.
>>345216584
They are distancing themselves from everything about WOD. Good thing too.
If Grommash shows up in Legion, I think i'm going to spit blood
>>345216479
Honestly both Cataclysm and MoP was great lorewise and very cosistent but then they fucked it up again in WoD
>>345208339
>Hate Thrall like we all do.
thrall was perfectly fine before he became green jesus
cata is when it all went to shit
>>345216796
>that picture
>talking about Cata
night elf leadership lets arcane mages back and nothing major happens
>>345216796
>Cataclysm and MoP was great lorewise
>Cataclysm
Probably the second worst expansion after WoD.
>>345216702
>Tfw Yrel could have been a timid paladin-in-training that was terrified of her burden but slowly grew into the role with the players' guidance
>Instead she was literally a Strong, Independent Draenei that didn't need no man from the get-go, was absurdly overpowered and was totally confident and overzealous despite us being told over and over how she was "full of doubt" that we were never actually shown.
Why are Blizzard so shit at writing a hero's journey?
>>345216910
Based Maiev tried to stop it, but just couldn't hash it
>>345216479
I'm glad that they decided to sit down and make sure it all makes sense, even if it means a bunch more retcons.
>>345216984
Cataclysm was garbage indeed but we're talking about the lore, not the general content
>>345216910
Yeah I agree that was stupid, but compared to the retardation of TBC lore for example, Cataclysm had few flaws
>>345216989
>Grommash went from "KILL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BLUE SKINNED FUCKS" to "DRAENOR IS FREE, NICE WORK GUYS, I HOPE WE CAN ALL BE FRIENDS"
>No one, not even the fucking Draenei, raised an eyebrow at this
Fuck Blizzard
>>345217004
shouldn't have just been Maiev, should have been half the night elves going in full rebellion right then and there with the entire alliance kalimdor questline in Cata being about the shit they're pulling
could even spill over a bit into the horde questlines with the night elf rebels being significantly less diplomatic about orcish incursions
>>345217197
But no, instead we get Malfurion "oh shit, Maiev went crazy because we're integrating the Highborne back into our society, why would she be so mad" Stormrage. I almost miss Staghelm
>>345216261
Mind you anon, the plague was tailored for humans, and only humans.
While it has an effect of other creatures, as evinced by the flora and fauna in the Plaguelands, it's only humans that are killed and zombified.
>>345217272
God damn, I want to die in my sleep now
>>345217272
Yuugi is mai waifugodspeed anon - you are about to journey beyond the veil of the Ban, from whence no soul may returnfor a brief while
>>345207918
Garrosh was an idiot.
>staying true to the muh Orcs vs humans when he knows full well there are much bigger threats, threats that the Alliance and Horde had to work together to defeat and will have to do so again in the future
The shit is no longer about Alliance vs Horde, it's about Azeroth vs total destruction.
>>345217321
I actually do miss Staghelm, sure he was a bit of a dick to you, when you show up at lv 10 with a minor errant expecting a major leader to actually care about the delivery boy
But well that's sorta realistic, dude was dealing with a lot of bullshit at that time
night elf rebels questline would have tied in neatly into the cata quests with them being driven back and getting increasingly more desperate until they actually join up with Rag
>>345207918
spotted the wrath baby
>>345217321
Dude it's been 10000 years, I'm sure nothing bad will happen.
>>345214906
The only Voidlord we killed was M'uru, and that was literally just after he changed from Naaru to Voidlord so he was a baby Voidlord
>>345217114
Why would you post that?
My dick wont be able to rest for weeks
>>345217560
He was a completely reasonable leader, and a far cry from Malfurion "fuck you guys, i'm gonna go play with the elements" Stormrage.
I'm so upset they made one of the most competent characters into a villain
>>345217786
>Naaru
ah literally the worst addition to warcraft lore ever, including everything in WoD
>>345217114
That will forever and always make me more salty than anything else in WoD.
>blizz spends fuckload of time building up the warlords
>makes them all seem like big, bad motherfuckers. masters of war and harbingers of death
>WoD releases
>kill one in a dungeon
>one is the first boss of a raid not even pertaining to the Iron Horde
Then the Legion fucking rolls in and its literally a hard switch from fighting an powerful, uncorrupted Orcish Horde to lol demons all over again.
And to top it all off, Grom goes from big bad of Draenor to a fucking Dindu betrayed by Gul'dan who wants to save the world.
I just want Legion to get here so I can pretend this expansion never happened.
>>345208136
gave the horde their balls back
>>345215162
Azsuna as a zone is pretty much "look at how much Azshara fucked shit up" so it's extremely likely she'll be the boss of the next tier, or the last.
>>345217821
Because Draenei are literally semen demons
>>345217786
M'uru wasn't a voidlord
What did she mean by this? I just killed her three fuckboy sons.
>>345217961
>Azshara comes back
>notices what the goblins did to the lands named after her
>wrecks their entire collective shit as her opening act
>>345218115
She astral projects herself into Azsuna during a quest and pretty much says "Wow that curse I put on you all when I blew up this entire zone is still in effect? I'm amazing"
>>345217075
>we're talking about the lore
And the lore was shit, mate.
>>345217930
>The fucking Lich King dies in a dungeon
>Grom is now a good boy who was fighting for a free Draenor, lets ignore how he was trying to wipe out the Draenei
>Kargath dies in a fucking Ogre colliseum for no reason
>Blackhand dies in the Foundry, which is ok
>Orgrim defects and gets downed like a bitch
>Deadeye joins Gul'dan and gets wrecked
>Gul'dan gets punked by Archimonde and sent back to make sure shit goes down right
>>345217961
Nah, they won't waste her like that
People have been begging for an Azshara expansion since vanilla, they will do an entire expansion centered around her.
There was some talk at a Q&A a while ago that the devs would love to do a Sea related expansion where the players would build their own boats and travel but also that it would be very difficult to do, but maybe we'll see that together with Azshara in the future
>>345218446
That's why she'll be the expac final boss, but escape at that last moment into the sea and start the underwater only expac :^)
>>345218446
>players would build their own boats and travel but also that it would be very difficult to do
Garrison 3.0, now living on the fleet that you create and upgrade.
>>345217272
I wish I was dead.
>>345218380
Lol, what? The Lick King died in a raid.
>>345217114
>>345217978
Feels like it's been so long since I got off to drawn art.
Shame SFM doesn't have a lot more modelers and it's all just some typical Warcraft hero and no no-names.
>>345218618
>I'm literally 12 and who is Ner'zhul?
>>345218659
Check out the HOTS models. God damn, my dick can't take all this THICC
>>345216397
Maybe the Titans were keeping it a secret. Maybe there is an supreme entity hidden in Pandaria. Maybe when we team up with Sargeras to fight the Voidlords we have to go back to Pandaria to awaken that supreme entity. Maybe when we are fighting the Voidlords, the Supreme Entity gets corrupted. Maybe the expac after that one has us go back in time to stop Gul'dan and the fel once and for all.
>>345216261
No, The Nerubains are immue to the " Kill you and rez you as undead" Plague.
But the corpses can still be rezed as undead using other methods.
>>345218694
Anon, please. I had completely forgotten about Ner'zhul.
>>345218805
B-but cross-universe stuff is the worst!
>>345218821
>Maybe the Titans were keeping it a secret. Maybe there is an supreme entity hidden in Pandaria.
It was called the Dark Heart of Pandaria.
>>345218805
If there's something the HOTS team does right it's the asses. Oh, my lord!
>>345218058
To be fair, had the assault on ICC failed, They would have been rezed again into undeath.
>>345218968
>>345218976
The game sucks, but holy fuck
So with the inevitable expansion where queen Azshara is main villain, we will get playable nagas right?
>>345218968
Cross-over SFM porn is the best.
>>345219130
WoW 2 will come out by then
>>345218882
It's ok anon.
It just makes you either an idiot or someone who hasn't played since Wotlk and for some reason jumps into a discussion about WoD
>>345219130
I hope so. Naga males are hot as fuck, I'd to play as one and stalk the streets looking for elves to coil around and fuck blind.
>>345219130
>playable characters with difficult models
eh not likely
that said I'd love if they did something like say including alternate looks for varous races like say brown/red orcs, dark iron dwarves, different troll species and heck maybe mechanognomes
>>345219198
>Tyrande's fucking model
UNF
>>345218805
>>345219106
>this is not the standard for wow models
>>345216397
Literally Titan constructs and architecture under the Vale that you go into during the last raid in MoP, as well as in Mogu'shan Vaults
>>345219369
It's a completely different game, of course not
>>345217930
>Then the Legion fucking rolls in and its literally a hard switch from fighting an powerful, uncorrupted Orcish Horde to lol demons all over again.
To be fair what did you think was going to happen? Why would Un-demon blood orcs be that much of a threat to both the Horde AND the Alliance? Because Garrosh was there? He couldn't even keep orgrimmar safe. The fact that people ever gave merit to these Warlords was silly in the first place. Did you think that the Legion was just gonna fuck off because the first attempt at drinking blood failed?
>>345219253
Don't get me wrong, Anon. I've been playing for the majority of WoD but seeings as I completely forgot Ner'zhul just adds to the pile of unjustice they did to all the Warlords.
It's a shame.
>>345219478
>tfw you'll neverslaughter Sylvanas in the name of Gilneas and expunging the undead menace from Lordaeron
>>345219130
No legs implies more work hours for developing armour, which mean more money spent developing. So that's going to be a no.
Or it's going to be a huge copout where the allied naga have lost their fins and have legs now.
>>345219646
>Now that Tirion is dead, the whole Retake Lordearon plan will fail
JUST
>>345207918
Before panda came and changed his characters because "LUL,WE HAVE NO VILLAIN.PLS MAKE SOMETHING FAST" Garrosh considerably less wrong shit compared to Illidan.
But of course Illidan gets the shitty redemption archangel story
>>345219757
People are so desperate to masturbate to a corpse, they have to doll up her face immensely.
>>345220060
she had huge tiddies in warcraft 3
ain't no coincidence
>>345219995
>we have no villain
>who is Y'shaarj
>>345211927
Plague is different from necromantic resurrection.
That's why he had to kill the nerubs to revive them as undeads.
>>345219501
>The whole expansion starts under the premise that Mannoroth, one of the strongest pit lords in the Legion and right hand man to one of the Eredar lords, gets cleaved in half instead of corrupting an army of orcs that steamrolled almost all of the easter kingdoms.
Honestly, yes to all. With the forces the og horde had, topped off with Garrosh and goblin engineers and their knowledge of current day Azeroth, they could have easily fucked us if caught off guard.
As for the Legion, easily could have done Archimonde how they did Ner'zhul, just have a dungeon where you stop his summoning and kill Gul'dan, leaving the Warlords as the main antagonists.
Then just have the Legion be salty about us fuckin' about in their timeline and send Gul'dan's soul to Illidan's prison and legion expac continues as normal.
>>345220060
>>345219757
I'm actually kinda excited to see Blizzard make the Lich Queen Warchief only to see the now retarded Horde Reap what they sow in the end. Seriously once that bitch is leader there's no boundries anymore for undead shenanigans.
>>345220173
Not while they still have the "Good Guy went evil and is now the final boss" shit they had for every expansion
>>345216882
This so much.
I used to like Thrall, especially in Warcraft 3 RTS
He was just trying to survive with other outcasts and create a place where him and his allies could live in peace.
Now is he what? As strong as a dragon aspect? The greatest shaman in the entire universe? Strong independent orc who don't need no faction?
>>345208136
He fortified capital city, dealt with fucking warlock scum thrall let hang out in basement of org, expanded territory into aszhara and secured valuable lumber and mining sites, removed the alliance outpost and only access point to kalimdor in the marsh, which was also a staging point and pincer location for alliance to attack barrens and orgrimmar itself and he also put the fucking undead in their place on the pecking order. Dude was a hero that got fucked over in a sacred and honourable duel by a cheating sheman and betrayed by those filthy trolls. Never trust trolls.
>>345219646
>Gilneas
>Argent Undead Enablers
>Forscourgen
Lordaeron belongs to one faction and one faction alone.
>>345220636
>Lordaeron belongs to one faction and one faction alone.
Agreed
>>345220636
>Scarlets
>Eventually allowed Death Knights and Shadowpriests into their ranks after being infiltrated by a Dreadlord.
You're the biggest cuck faction in the lore.
>>345216882
I would have had no problem with cata thrall if he went right back to being warchief after dealing with the rift to deepholme. like if he just had Garrosh as a temporary leader.
What the fuck does he even do after Cata? stand around doing nothing, letting the horde go to complete dogshit?
>>345220854
>after being infiltrated by a Dreadlord.
They were formed by a Dreadlord
When will the dissolve the "Horde" and the "Alliance" and let there be dozens of factions like any believable fantasy world would have?
>>345220425
Garrosh was always shown to be rash and a general crazy motherfucker (note, Twilight Highlands intro where he sends away ALL of the air-force defense fleet to fuck on some Alliance ships, leaving the Zeppelins defenseless). It's just that in Pandaria these emotions are amplified and turnt into Sha (which are fragments of Y'Shaarj)
>>345219646
>tfw you will neverpermanently erase the furry menace from Lordaeron in the name of the Dark Lady
Wait then again she is Warchief, there might be some shit slappging coming Gilneas' way.
Where did the lore went to shit?
>>345219345
yeah I think that would be a great feature too
>>345221480
When Warcraft become an MMO
>>345221480
Sometime during early cata to mid pandaland.
>>345221375
>mfw the dark lady lets us run wild on those savage dogs
>>345221480
BC, when they decided that didn't give a fuck about establishes lore and said it was okay to retcon everything.
>>345221480
2004
>>345221307
He was crazy,but he also kept his honor as shown in Stonetalon Mountain.
What he did in Pandaria was a complete 180 including the bombing and the magnataur thing
>>345221480
When you were never able to get an armor set and sword that looked like that in-game
>>345217075
>Cataclysm was garbage indeed but we're talking about the lore, not the general content
Was it ever explained how Deathwing summoned Ragnaros and rezzed Nefarian with a blink of his eye or is it just lolmagic?
>>345221480
when fantasy-huge swords reigned supreme
kill yourself final fantasy shitters
>>345221243
There are already plenty of different factions that are independant from both the alliance and the horde and the two major factions make total sense, that's the way it usually is in war you fgt
>>345221480
When they switched to MMO. Too many races around that barely get any lore. And there can't be any big and interesting changes with them because MMO has to maintain status quo or someone might get upset and unsub.
How bad does Warlock suck this xpac?
>>345221605
One can only hope. Knowing Blizz it will be something like
>Sylvannas is cunning and smart at first
>turns ruthless and savage
>YOU GET THE PLAGUE
>AND YOU
>AND YOU
>AND YOU
>OMG GUISE WE GOTTA STOP HER SHE IS BATSHIT CRAZY
>LOL SPIRIT OF ARTHAS POSSESSION/CORRUPTION WE GOT TO KILL HER
Or some silly shit. She's the last remaining worthwhile leader on both sides, so you know. Got to kill her
>>345222096
>2 factions make total sense
>empires that span continents larger than europe
good one lad
MUH TRUE HORDE
MUH WAR IN WARCRAFT
MUH ONLY ORCS LIVES MATTER
WE WUZ CONQUEROR'S N SHIEEET
If only that Panda cuck had kept his mouth shut we wouldn't be in this shithole
Just goes to show that it only takes one nigger to ruin everything for everyone
What I don't get is: if during cata, all that shit is going on at the maelstrom - why doesn't Queen Azshara get involved when she lives 2 clicks away?
>>345221375
>>345221605
>I would rather fuck a corpse than a living thing.
