Im glad that we could finally agree on something
WC3 is a fucking terrible competitive game
anyone who says otherwise has never actually watched competitive WC3
>>345203963
>watching a game is more important than playing the game
Confirmed teenager
>>345204019
I mean, you've never played competitive WC3 either
>>345204074
I did play in tournaments, but I never got paid for it
>>345203809
lol
>>345203963
That's more like it.
>>345203963
What, you don't like Blademaster versus Demon Hunter: the game?
>>345203809
Overwatch is more popular than 90% of those games.
@345203809
you have to do a little better for those (you)'s OP
Overwatch should be right on top of the text saying "game popularity"
>>345203809
>>345203963
both your charts are shit
fixed
>Brood War comparable to cs or hearthstone in popularity ever
>>345203809
Dota 2 has a huge skill cap
Reminder that WC3 includes DotA
>>345204316
Seems about right, might as well throw more games into the chart.
>>345204418
Dota 2 is more about knowledge than raw skill really.
>>345204418
>Dota 2 has a huge skill cap
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>345204568
Gathering and applying knowledge to actions correctly is skill
>>345203809
>>345203963
>>345204316
I wouldn't place SC2 so far behind SC1
And where the fuck is mortal kombat X?
>>345203963
>Sf4 more difficult than melee
Ask any pro SF player which is harder. They'll say melee you stupid faggot.
>>345204663
>>345204663
Let me guess? All assfaggots are LoL meme? Or they're all "one unit rts" which equates to difficulty somehow.
>>345203963
>overwatch taking less skill than CS:NO
lel
>>345204979
Definitely
>>345204741
then why do only russians and low iq subhumans who can barely speak their native language play it?
>>345204741
Right, and that is why dota 2 is correctly put in its place where it belongs on the skill charter.
>>345203963
>SF4 takes more skill than melee
>in terms of skill ceiling, too
lol
that's cute
he's never watched/played a match of melee in his life, let alone top levels of play
Real official list coming through
>>345205196
now this is closer to my liking, but still lacks Mortal kombat X.
>>345205196
>melee same skill cap as Dota 2, and less than SF4
move melee further right, otherwise correct
>Street fighter so low.
It's funny because every time this list shows up you can immediately spot the people who haven't played League or DOTA and scream"ASSFAGGOTS" to fit in with strangers on the internet.
Super Smash Bros Melee isnt popular?
>>345205480
i played dota 2 during beta and quit after a year (1k hours) cause its a shit game
>>345205480
league has shit skill ceiling
Dota has medium skill ceiling
Starcraft has the highest ceiling currently, and also requires brains on top of that.
Played all of them for quite a bit(with the exception of starcraft, which i played for around a year, the game really manages to piss you off).
If you think that those lists are wrong, then you better get back to your league and whine how zed requires skill.
>>345205480
I played it for 3 years and i can say its incredibly easy and has an extremely low skill cap.
>"TH-TH-THEN WHY ARENT YOU PLAYING IN A PROFESSIONAL TEAM"
Because i dont't have enough money, that's how the competitive ASSFAGGOTS scene works, it's not accessible for everyone.
>>345205949
That's not how it works faggot
>>345204815
In the trash.
>>345206143
street fighter is in the list yet mortal kombat didnt make it?
Care to explain why?
>>345203809
>aimbotwallhackwatch takes more skill than cs, sf, sc2, dota 2, csgo
>>345205064
to drag down everyone's MMR
>nobody doubting quake
at least something is right in this world.
>>345206206
Mortal Kombat is casual shit that people only play seriously when devs give it huge prizepots.
>>345203809
Why is Diablo 3 considered the highest skilled game?
Fucking neo v bullshit right here. I'm out. This has broke me. I don't even have the will to properly argue anymore. You are wrong and we'll leave it at that.
>>345207090
i've been in a couple of tournaments and while i can do a few 20-30% health combos i still got rekt hard by the better payers.
>>345203809
>league being more popular than sc1 in its prime
lmfao
you realize south korea had entire cable tv channels dedicated to competitive starcraft 1 before sc2 ruined everything, right?
sc1 was a fucking phenomenon
>>345207315
i love dota and this is a nice play but dota will never be as hard as starcraft.
(and i would've blinked near the rune insted on top of it so i didn't need to turn)
>>345207483
Not OP but i'm just gonna say what everyone knows.
SC was never close to 10m daily players.
>>345207312
Someone will fall for this
>>345207738
wrong in every way
>>345207738
get outta here
>>345204958
>>345205105
t b h i just wanted to make smashtards upset and it worked
i don't play or care about console games
>>345203809
fixed it for u
>>345208046
>there are STILL starcrumps on /v/
>>345205296
lol how about no
>>345208046
if by "fixed" you mean "made it completely wrong"
>>345208046
League harder than dota
Overwatch close to hearthstone and WoT
Removed SC1 because he didn't play it.
Well then, how was school?
>people shitting on overwatch because they think it's easy
>they're all quick-play heros and rank 40s
Just because a game is popular and colorful doesnt mean it's easy.
>>345208046
>neckbeard thinks games don't require skill in 2016
>still shit at them
How pathetic.
>>345208046
Here (you) that you wanted so much
I have a better chart
>>345211628
Where the gameplay,graphic and skill
>>345213023
This chart clearly has nothing to do with that.
>>345213023
>Asking for a z-level
Go for it Anon
>>345203809
>overwatch
>skillceling
>harder than CS:GO, Dota 2 and SF
Why bait like that, my nigro?
>>345208046
>SCII
>randomly changing unit commands to increase apm
This is so retarded.
let this terrible bait thread die already
>>345211628
>Aurora
>Dwarf Fortress
>Distant Worlds
>intellectually interesting and maximalist in design
yea, no
Aurora and Dwarf Fortress are nothing special you faggot. Dwarf Fortress is literally Banished with dwarves and Aurora is the most conventional 4X you can find. Only thing different is that it has Windows 2000 interface. Everything else is the most usual shit you can find in 4X games.
Also, Distant Worlds. It is not "deep", however it is pretty maximalist in design.
Who makes these graphs.
>>345208676
>lel harder than dota
Lol no
>>345214654
>Dwarf Fortress
>not intellectually interesting and maximalist in design
you must be like the only person on Earth with that opinion
so this might be dumb, but if you're taking popularity at it's highest peak, wouldn't SC2 be above SC?
I know SC was popular for a long ass fucking time, but seems like SC2 was way more popular overall for a short time.
>>345214654
>Aurora is the most conventional 4X you can find
No. There are many more things that are simulated than any other 4X. Does any other space 4X let you design ships on the granular level that Aurora does? It's very maximalist.
As for depth; well, games like Aurora have lots of options, and require a ton of planning and definite thought.
>>345216735
it is maximalist in design, but not that deep
it is a conventional "city building game" in all of its aspects.
it is literally in no way different from
>Banished
>Rimworld
>Prison Architect
>Caesar series
>Planetbase
>Stronghold games
>Black&White series
>Grand Ages: Rome
It has its "superior" image only because it is a meme game.
Only reason why people think this game is "hardcore" is because its developer deliberately programmed its UI to convey as little information as possible. And he made it so that the information that is displayed, is displayed in as convoluted way as possible.
So, in short, it is hard not because there is any hard mechanics, it is hard because it has shitty user interface.
>>345217486
lot of gimmics do not create depth
i'd bring in the Skyrim example
>wide as an ocean, shallow as fuck
Why rank league of legends so high on popularity? Even normies know about counter-strike.
Do people honestly think Smash takes any skill? Sad.
hearthstone should be negative skill
>>345203809
what a fucking joke
>>345217781
nah you're just too casual to play it
it's okay
>>345217781
The existence of Z-Levels makes it inherently different from every game you listed.
It also literally has fluid dynamics, air pressure, and a very complex force vector resolver programmed into the game. None of the games you listed have that.
I'm not trying to suck Toady's wart-covered cock, but you shouldn't compare the game to some wannabes (And some classics that are basically a different fucking genre, like Caesar) and say they're the same.
>>345217943
Well, of course, that's what that chart has two dimensions.
But maybe you're right. Once you get past the interface, games like Aurora and DF are more creative than "deep." You can do what you want (with a wide variety of things to do).
I don't want to tie "deep" to "difficult," but just because you CAN do crazy stuff in the game doesn't make it deep. Thought should be required for every mechanic; not just the fringe ones.
>>345219150
>Thought should be required for every mechanic; not just the fringe ones.
I'm assuming the mechanics you consider to be "fringe" are the ones that are super important in Dwarf Fortress' adventure mode.
Toady has been excessively focusing on it for the last few updates and it sucks.
>>345219003
>muh z-level
>fluid dynamics
>air pressure
>complex force vector resolver programmed
how do they make a game "deep". they are just gimmiks
>>345219773
Fluid dynamics and air pressure are important to even a beginner-level fort.
Force vectors are extremely important for adventure mode.
>>345219872
but how do they make a game deep?
>>345220051
They add to the data you have to consider, add things you can do whilst playing, and increase the level of detail within the world of the game.
You know. The definition of "gameplay depth"
>>345205196
wow this is triggering me.
Why do you shitters talk about like you fucking played broodwar? Sc2 is not even fucking close to the amount of skill you needed to play broodwar, game is fucking insane, there was always room for improvement. inb4 waah wahh apm 12 units, well guess what mother fucker? it was more than that, that was the entry level barrier for shitters shit gets more complex the more you are able to play it.
So fuck off with your starcraft 2 bullshit, nobody liked it, tasteless and day9 faked liking it and now they are in the trash alongside sc2.
The only current games that require skill nowadays on the west are melee, csgo and that's about it, oh and fighting games that are not sfv
>>345220165
you just explained how they make it maximalist
>>345211628
>Tetris more intellectually interesting than minecraft
You could literally make tetris within minecraft if you wanted. Putting a turing complete sandbox below any of those games is pretty silly.
>>345220286
Please give us your definition of gameplay depth then.
It'll be interesting since you're very clearly just trying to shit on Dwarf Fortress for the epic (you)'s
>>345220382
gameplay depth = maximalism
deep = intellectually interesting
>all those underage niggers rating cs 1.6 low on popularity at its peak
literally all underage niggers
nigger genocide when
