>PS 4.5
>Xbox 1.5 and 1.7
What is the future of consoles? Only Nintendo seems to be following the 'generation' thing now. Do you like where they are heading? Will you get a 1.5 console?
>>345176831
the future of consoles is backwards compatibility for all games from here on out, and 2-3 years between upgrades
>>345176831
>forgetting the New 3DS
>>345177032
>consoles
Learn to read.
Seems to be going the way of how phones work where a new one is released occasionally where most things still work on the older ones but support is dropped at some point.
Honestly I think it destroys one of the few benefits consoles have/had but I'm sure people will eat it up just like they do anything else. Not really sure if this new distribution method will change much of anything except the amount of money being shelled out per gen. Seems video games can just comfortably survive in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
>>345176910
A grim future indeed.
>>345177180
I honestly do not see how consoles will work like phones
For one, consoles are much bigger. You can buy three iPhones because there is space, but you woudl not have space for three consoles. And consoles are a much bigger investment, along with the space thing, it is also quite expensive, especially alongside the games
I honestly don't see how the 1.5s can be successful. Everyone who wants a ps4/xbox1 has one already, why would they be willing to buy another one? Normies don't care about graphics/performance.
Going off topic, the attach rate for consoles are getting disturbingly low (ignoring Nintendo, their attach rate is still alright). What do they even use the consoles for?
>>345177436
>Normies don't care about graphics/performance.
They do kind of. I hear people all the time like at where I work raving about the 6 teraflops that the Scorpio has despite not even knowing what a teraflop is. It's just the excitement over something new and shiny more than anything.
>>345177735
Nah, they can't tell and don't care when they are playing the games. They don't care if it's 30fps or something. Maybe they want the graphical upgrade, but not the performance one. That said, I still don't think the consoles can sell well
>>345177116
You didn't specify "home consoles," just "consoles," which would include handheld consoles like 3DS.
So to reiterate:
>forgetting the New 3DS
Well, we still don't know much about nx. But I'm willing to bet we will have incremental updates for all consoles now, like pPCs or smartphones. If they do this right, I'm okay with this, honestly. As long as the new consoles are always backwards and old consoles are forward compatible, then I'm good.
>>345177436
not everyone upgrades their phone every year
there will just be upgrades available for people who want them
>>345178161
>As long as the new consoles are always backwards and old consoles are forward compatible
Dude, that's not even the case with smartphones and PCs now, what makes you think it'll happen with video game consoles?
Every new console gen was always a big push. Companies focused all their resources to make the best possible product and to push the gaming further. The push was so big that even things not directly tied to gaming got affected. For example – Xbox gave birth to the cloud services and popularized broadband internet.
This focused push strategy was exactly what made the gaming grow and evolve.
Everything will went to shit in gaming if the classic console generation model stops. It will slow down progress immensely, market will stop to grow and companies will fight among themselves for what's left. Because somebody wanted to nickel and dime people more. Apple style.
>>345178328
Generally it takes quite a while for PC games to stop working on newer PCs. Windows 10 has caused some issues though. It depends on how the dev coded the game though. Some games from the 90s and early 00s play perfectly fine while some are unplayable.
>>345178161
I would assume as long as they're using AMD APUs, the future Xbox and Playstation systems will be backwards compatible.
>>345178530
Yeah, I agree. It's kind of sad to see Nintendo be the only one to even remotely innovate these days (not saying their gimmicks are good, but at least they try)
B-bump
>2016
>he's still a console peasant
>>345176831
>Will you get a 1.5?
No. If they really are going to be 3-4 year refreshes, I would skip every other one.
>>345178907
Without big push that comes only from new console generation, with focused efforts from console manufacturers. It will be simply impossible to popularize new gimmicks and other new things, however good or bad they are.
>>345179691
The games you have on PC wouldn't exist without consoles in their classic form. With generational leaps.
>>345180125
It's kind of fuzzy because some things were done by consoles first like smooth scrolling. But PC games regularly were more advanced than console games even in the 90s. At points consoles were ahead for a little bit but PC would quickly catch up. I don't think advancements just wouldn't have happened without consoles, and it's not like the last few gens they've been doing much of any advancing.
>>345180313
Things like discreet GPUs exist because of big focused financial efforts from console manufacturers to make new cutting edge and cheap hardware for consoles.
>>345180313
PC started to be faster than consoles few years after the PSX/Saturn, but every console could easily rival it at launch until the psbone4. That's the first time PC was already stronger on release date.
I'll never buy another console again if they don't get rid of the XBL/PSN paywall.
>>345180810
>That's the first time PC was already stronger on release date.
That's because the PS4 was cheap given inflation n 2013 and Nvidia and AMD have increased the TDP of their desktop parts on the high-end far beyond consoles.
There were already PCs much more powerful than the PS3 when it released in 2006 but most people are oblivious to the fine details like AA quality
>>345180642
It's really pointless to discuss things like this because we have no way of knowing how things would have turned out in an alternate universe. I have a hard time believing that with PC games getting more sophisticated too at the time that discrete GPUs wouldn't have come into existence anyway.
>>345180810
Again, there's no way of knowing alternate universes but PC games were already getting more advanced at various points in time anyway and if the focus stayed on them it probably would have led in the same direction, or at least a similar one. Consoles are stairstep upgrades, while when PCs were separate systems they upgraded more gradually, so upgrades weren't really as dramatic as with consoles, which just come out with tongs of R&D behind them to be the next big thing.
And in the case of the last 10 or so years consoles are no longer advancing things like they used to so even if what you're saying about the past is true and consoles were directly responsible for hardware getting better that wouldn't have happened otherwise consoles aren't serving that purpose anymore so there's no real reason to care about this shift in distribution.
>>345181191
>I have a hard time believing that with PC games getting more sophisticated too at the time that discrete GPUs wouldn't have come into existence anyway.
It's like saying that without focused economics efforts from Soviets to reach the outer space and the same efforts from USA to reach the moon we would have did anyway at some point in time, right? Because look how well the space exploration in the modern world is doing without these focused efforts.
This is pretty much the last generation of consoles, Sony's going to turn Playstation into a Netflix style streaming service, Nintendo's going mobile and Microsoft is turning to PC gaming
The current generation is so abysmally under-powered they need an incremental upgrade.
They created systems with 8 gigs of ram to run their bloated OS but 4 of those 8 are tied to the OS. To facilitate this memory they skimped on the GPU and thus this generation has already seen a fairly hard cap on what the consoles can do. You saw a nice steady improvement over the lifetime of the PS3/360 but i think we've seen all these consoles can do with Uncharted4/Halo 5
>>345176831
NX will flop, and in light of the success of Pokemon GO Nintendo will transition into doing primarily mobile games, or at least abandon having its own home console. Mark my fucking words.
>>345181686
>i think we've seen all these consoles can do with Uncharted4/Halo 5
Halo 5 is complete trash visually and doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Uncharted 4. Uncharted 4 might not be a great game but Halo 5 looks like a fucking 360 game.
Doom is a lot more impressive on consoles than fucking Halo 5.
>>345181470
I just feel like with PC games at the time progressing anyway it would lead to the same thing regardless of what consoles did. I'm not entirely sure your analogy applies but maybe it does. I didn't work in the industry in the 90s to know exactly what happened.
But I do know that consoles as tech pushers right now is not a thing. Regardless of what happened PCs being separate from consoles was much better than what we have now: consoles just being underpowered PCs and every game being homogenized multiplats.
>>345181865
>Halo 5 is complete trash visually and doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Uncharted 4.
Yet only one runs at 60 FPS
>>345181865
>Halo 5 looks like a fucking 360 game
But 360 games like Halo Reach look like they are a generation ahead of Halo 5, anon.
>>345182007
>Yet only one runs at 60 FPS
>yet only one runs at 720p
I own both games, Halo 5 looks like shit dude. Even Halo 4 in the MCC looks better. Doom beats both on PS4 and Xbox One, especially on PS4.
>>345181970
>But I do know that consoles as tech pushers right now is not a thing.
You sure about that? Kinect 2.0 on xbone would like to disagree with you.
>>345182063
beautiful
>>345182169
>yet only one runs at 720p
Halo 5 isn't 720p, it does have a dynamic framerate though.
>>345182374
and dynamic resolution
>>345176831
PS4 is literal perfection. There's nothing else they can really add except some hardware updates
I think it's the best way to conduct business
>>345181070
Yeah maybe there was some PCs that were stronger than a PS3 on lauch, I was talking more generally, in the sense that the 360 had a top of the line GPU when it launched. PC caught up shortly (and last gen lasted long), but still, it was the same when the Xbox, the PS2, the DC... and if we go past the PSX, consoles had usually a lot more audiovisual tricks than PC under their sleeve.
>>345181191
Fair, but without consoles (or arcades in the streets) PC would have got its "shocking multimedia" traits (fast blitting, multichannel hifi audio and eventually 3d acceleration) later and maybe other kind of games would have seen bigger advancements (more PC-like stuff like rpg/sim games which benefited from hi res displays and keyboard input)
>>345182374
>it does have a dynamic framerate though.
It has a dynamic framerate and resolution, which causes the game to drop down to 800p regularly
Look at these fucking jaggies
>>345181970
I'm just that it takes a focused push to develop something new. Steady progress won't help here. Computers themselves were developed because of focused push.
>>345182284
Oh my god don't remind me.
>>345182535
>>345182438
Sorry, dynamic resolution.
The lowest it gets is 1152x810.
i would rather have a consistent 60 FPS with a lower resolution during super intense action than 30 FPS(with dips) at 1080p
>>345182374
>>345182438
>>345182535
Also animations of everything is in jittery 30 fps.
>>345182738
>Also animations of everything is in jittery 30 fps.
*At a certain distance
It really isn't that bad.
>>345181557
Sounds pretty based tbqh
>>345181807
>NX will flop
What makes you think that? The stars are literally aligned for them to succeed. Just add and ad for the NX to Pokemon go and then boom, success
>>345182669
>the lowest it gets is sub 720p resolution
Oh boy that's great
Doom is almost always native 1080p on PS4 and on Xbox One it's usually around 900p. The game is so far beyond fucking Halo 5. Game flat out looks like garbage and you need to stop defending this piece of shit. It's trash even by Xbone standards, which is why Halo 4 in the MCC looks better.
>>345182738
There's also the fucking awful LOD shit going on non-stop. Iron sight? Look at the super jarring change of assets.
>>345182923
It has no market, same problem as Wii U. They'll never be able to re-capture the normie appeal of the Wii
>>345183015
>>the lowest it gets is sub 720p resolution
That's not lower than 720, you're sounding more like a sonycuck by the second
>>345183257
true
>>345183082
They should leave the focus on normie shit for smartphones and have their console be for kickass games (although with the capacity to interact with the phone stuff)
>>345183257
You're right, it's basically identical to 720p, although fewer horizontal lines of resolution
Halo 5 is a fucking disgrace and has no business looking as bad as it does. Halo 2:A and Halo 4 in the MCC look better at a higher pixel count. Most multiplatform titles look better on Xbox One than Halo 5.
>>345183315
They abandoned traditional gamers with the Wii, sony/microsoft now have that market. The NX won't be able to compete with ps4k/scorpio. Which means the only thing left for Nintendo is casual normie shit on mobiles and handhelds
>xbox scorpio -> 6 Tflops or better
>shitstation 4k(upscaled movies only) -> 4 Tflops
Only a fuckwit would even buy a playstation for the next generation, then again sonyggers aren't exactly known for their intelligence.
>>345176831
>M$ and sonny have found more ways to milk money out of fanboys
>consoleplebs laud them
The denial is too real
>>345183465
Man I'm sure you're a huge fan of Halo.
>>345176910
>backwards comparability isn't a thing for consoles
>have to wait several years for new overpriced hardware to be released
>>345183630
>huge fan of Halo.
I own all of the games aside from Halo Wars
Halo 5 is garbage and you're a retard fanboy. Halo: MCC on the other hand, initial online issues aside, is actually bretty good.
>>345183524
I like to think that that "market" is moving and already looking for the next big thing and I am afraid to see that it seems that sonysoft are going for the set top box gaming experience, which feels almost as wrong and the casualshit in my nightmares.
>>345183465
It's easy to find parts of the game that look bad, it's also easy to find good.
>>345176831
I don't care. I stopped playing video games at home and me my man are walking around the entire fucking city playing Pokemon go
>>345176831
Future of consoles?
The early creation of the scorpio and neo will all but at best decimate at worst destroy the already bored and shrinking market.
Nintendo will be sitting in their little walled garden pulling a full on Disney with their IP and figuring out how to selling to their re-found wii audience and new pokemon go audience.
Oh and gaming journos who were able to take them to task are all souless sellout faggots who're worth less then nothing.
So yeah.
Video games has less then 3 years left.
>>345183761
I'm a fanboy because I enjoyaa particular game series. Wew lad.
>>345183838
Pic unrelated I assume
>>345177180
People do not buy large expensive fucking appliances who's major saving grace is being an EASY TO USE ONE TIME PURCHASE like that.
Notice how well the simple set top box crap like the i-tv and ruko are doing?
Seen how smartphone sales are dropping into the toilet?
Exactly.
If they try this, console gaming is dead. Period.
>>345184068
Wow.
>>345183958
There's nothing wrong with liking Halo, it's probably my favorite console shooter series. Halo 5 though visually was trash and did not live up the the franchise.
>>345183838
>jaggies out the ass
If that looks good to you, you should get your eyes checked.
>>345183465
What happened to the whole gameplay>graphics thing? The fact that halo 5 looks good while running at 60fps is enough for me tbqh.
>>345184069
>If they try this, console gaming is dead. Period.Good
>>345184206
Maybe Halo 6 will please you on the Scorpio.
>>345184276
I'm not even saying Halo 5 needed to look like Crysis or some shit, but it looked worse than Halo 4 in the MCC despite being the same framerate and a lower resolution
>>345176831
>Only Nintendo seems to be following the 'generation' thing now
By killing their console really early, lol.
>>345184334
Hopefully, I'll probably buy it on Xbone.
I don't even think Halo 5 is that bad of a game but boy did it disappoint graphically after the MCC. Halo 2: A was a really solid conversion of Halo 2 and Halo 4 looked great for a 360 game ported to Xbox One.
>>345184419
>Renders the inside of your helmet so that black areas cover a quarter of the screen
>Random blue HUD lines everywhere
>Uncentered crosshair
How do you even stand playing this?
>>345184637
Halo 4 and 5 are definitely the worst in this respect and I agree that it's a very poor design decision.
Hope they get rid of it in future releases.
>>345176831
They gave them 4 good years and they where fucking underpowered and terrible to develop for
>PS4 and its meme api and os with terribly underclocked 8 core apu, terrible controllers and BAD performance for the price
>Xboner with its terrabad DDR3 and shit gpu meme, at least it was easier to dev and cheap
Worst Generation thus far glad too see the back of it at least this way the consolefags dont have to piss around with buying new controllers and getting jewed for more 'remasters' instead of backwards compat
>>345181807
That's why I'm going for their handheld. That seems to be the only hardware from them that seems to still be good.
>>345184637
You play on a flatscreen tv and not a tiny monitor . Duh.
>>345183926
Good it belongs on PC anyway
let the normies tap away at dumb phone games
>>345184069
And nothing of value was lost
>>345184824
>PS4 and its meme api
vulkan is now praised on PC
>BAD performance for the price
Xbone was worse
>at least it was easier to dev and cheap
Except it's not easier and it was more expensive than the PS4 at launch
