This game is 4chan approvedeven if it's the worst in the seriesedition
http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10670353
Vote in polls, post dank OC,shitpost about how good or bad the game was
>>345143591
>4chan approved
>>345143591
>4chan approved
>multiple polls in the OP
Might as well be a /vg/ general.
>>345143960
No thanks, I'd rather just let the threads die a normal death than turn into the next /ksg/. If you guys want that I'll be glad to make some "DO IT FOR KYLE" exercise charts.
is there no ingame hints for puzzle rooms?
>>345144434
Just tap the shit out of everything. They will spill beans.
>>345144434
>this fag again
How can you find this difficult? Literally the easiest fucking game in the series and half of the puzzles are re-used or ripped off from pop culture.
>>345144434
There's not a single difficult puzzle the entire game. The only difficult part is that you won't be able to see what the fuck you're meant to click on that tiny ass 3DS screen.
>>345144434
>needing hints in Zero Thought Demanded
>>345144672
>Zero Thought Demanded
>>345144672
>>345144756
>The complete opposite of what's required to make sense of the clusterfuck of the plot
>Perfectly describes the puzzle rooms
BRAVO UCHI
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>>345145039
>make sense of a senseless plot
Ayyliens, Mira is his mother, Carlos is the snail, Snake was involved in the car crash, Delta is Kyle's son, Phi is NBA player, etc...
>>345143591
>game shipped late by three weeks
>no watch even after three replacements
Amazon, not even onceI don't want the refund you curry-eating shit. If you're gonna give me a refund, do it for the $170 version you're trying to get me to purchase afterwards.
>>345145323
>Not sure if you agree or disagree.
Thanks anyway.
>>345145381
>people still don't know about the watch issue
What was your favorite new tune?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveSKpeanh8
I'm still so disappointed by the ending that I'm thinking about filtering these threads so I won't be reminded.
I want to make love to Phi!
>>345146013
>>345145508
Are you talking about the staff or me? Because the call center did not get a memo. Other anons have reported already having the watches. They were selling them at AX for $50 from what I heard too. Plus, still doesn't change the fact I didn't receive my orignal game until earlier this week. I'd be even more pissed if I hadnt pirated it.
However, they're saying I'm not to be expecting any other items with my first shipment and insist that I reorder it.
>>345146460
>However, they're saying I'm not to be expecting any other items with my first shipment and insist that I reorder it.
Dan, Aksys's PR guy, said not to worry about this and that an order with the artbook, watch and OST will be automatically added to your list.
>>345145508
>people pay money for these shitty watches and actually wear them in public
So Sigma told Akane what to do, but which one considering the old one shifts back in the VLR ending and young Sigma only came back to April before being shipped to the Moon?
>>345143591
I feel like the poll lacked a 999>(VLR=ZTD).
All of you know that you are shitters, correct?
>>345146762
No-one wears them in public and they were bonuses for pre-orders.
What was the point of Mira and Eric?
>>345147076
We've gone off-topic.
>>345147076
I wish Wesker would call me a shitter.
>>345144523
>>345144640
>>345144643
>>345144672
>implying the transporter room wasn't clever
How did your impression of the characters change from the start?
For me it was
Carlos- Thought he would be an asshole jock type. Most of the game I just thought he was nice but kind of bland, then at endgame he became so dumb but well-meaning that it swerved back around into being endearing.
Akane- Expected to see the cold and calculating side that Uchi talks about, got her facade but none of the complexity beneath it and some dumb romance drama. Disappointing.
Junpei- Didn't know what to expect, got myself during my pre-teen tryhard phase when I thought I was being an "adult".
Sean- Expected Quark 2.0 with a larger role and some K mixed in, got a very sweet boy and daughteru material, would protect/10.
Eric- Expected crazy asshole, got that but also ice cream and memes.
Mira- "Oh it's the obligatory big boob character in every Uchi work". My impression didn't really change.
Sigma and Phi- Expected them to be great just like last game. Old Sigma wasn't as fun and Phi was barely in the game. Disappointing.
Diana- Expected her to be more morally ambiguous based on the concept art and being the one to unleash Rad-6 seemingly of her own will. Felt completely neutral towards her by the end, no strong opinion either way.Like and subscribe.
>>345147224
Mira was part of the simply unfair complex motives, which resulted in Sean dying. I feel like they were going somewhere with that, but forgot about it.
How to MINDHACK
>>345145785
Nostalgic Scenery is one of the most beautiful themes in the game.
I couldn't believe it was actually a remix of Extreme Extrication from 999
>>345147719
I expected Akane to be a cold hearted bitch like in VLR. I'm still not really sure why she isn't.
The problem I had with most of the characters was that their personalities weren't consistent. Junpei jumps between psychopath and nice bunny protecting child way too frequently.
>>345147256
Post vid pls I want to SHITT
>>345147224
Mira was the piranha in the koi pond, she also pretty much caused the whole series to happen. Eric was a tag-along but I guess he served a similar function by going on rampages and being generally unstable. The game really could have done more with them although I liked Eric.
If we are going to trace these problems back to the snail, why not go even further and say it's because Mira's mom told her that she's heartless.
That crazy kid was killing animals before moving on to her first victim, so who can say what would have happened if anyone else went down that road.
Also, the police must be pretty incompetent if a kid can get away with murder.
>>345143591
why OP is always a fucking faggot
>>345147917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345147945
>pond
Tank. Fuck, whatever they used in the analogy, I don't remember anymore.
>>345147224
Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi.
Eric was there to put the heroes in a life-death situation with the shotgun and help them SHIFT.
>>345145785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzNS8Ah139Y
Best puzzle room song in any game hands down. 1:35 is fantastic.
>>345147906
>expect Akane to be a cunt
>she ends up just being a dumber version of her 999 self except she takes Phi's role to a small extent in that she's an instant anagram solver that explains sciencey bullshit
Shit sucked.
>tfw we never got cold, heartless Akane in that tight, young bod
UCHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>345147076
*shifters
>>345148036
Thanks, SHITTER
>>345147689
I enjoyed it, but it's only a substitution puzzle.
It really wasn't that good.
>>345147719
I actually liked Mira. It's rare to see a pure psycho character with no ~muh tragic backstory~ or ~complex motives~. She couldn't even into facial expressions or appropriate reactions, I liked that.
>mfw Mira's no personality was better than 75% of the cast's
>>345147689
I can't be the only one who tried to convert the base 10 number to base 13. It took me way too long to work out the real solution.
Anyone else think that the ZTD we got actually follows off a similar but different VLR timeline?
>"hheheheh, uh, yeah, if i keep saying 'we like this game' it'll be true!"
>literally 80% of the responses to the poll rank it as the worst ZE title
Who let Uchi make the new thread?
>>345143591
>>>/vg/
either create a thread with an actual fucking topic or fucking go to the right board
>>345148864
I had a dyslexic moment and was putting the wrong number into it even though I 100% figured it out.
>>345147689
The Base 10 puzzle was really fucking simple.
Unfortunately, there's absolutely no indication that you needed to click on the Nucleus immediately after getting the number.
Puzzles were fun but super simple, playing pixel hunter was neither fun nor engaging.
>>345148930
>new game's released
>discuss the game
how is this /vg/ worthy?
This certainly isn't a long-running thread
>>345148907
>you can't think a game is the worst in the series without hating it
>>345149074
>this isn't a long-running thread
i see this shit every hour of every day since the game was released and there's never a topic other than the game's name in the title box
it's a general thread
so it belongs in /vg/
>"Generals"—long-term, recurring threads about a specific game—should be posted in /vg/.
>>345148881
Yeah. ZTD and VLR are basically the same game with the same ending.
>>345149195
>>>/reddit/
>>345149195
Shut up fag. There's only ever one thread for zero escape vs. /v/ becoming completely designated for 1 game whenever a big release like MGSV or DaS3 comes out. Hide the thread and go to an e-celeb thread if you're so pissed.
>>345149130
You can, but if you've been in any of the threads you'd understand that the overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all.
>>345149195
>implying ZE threads won't die soon
There is not enough garbage to fertilize a ZE general in /vg/. Things are already starting to get repetitive, it's the beginning of the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29frJFlMpo&index=2&list=PLj-ru-1cx_tlMEbtwQ1V4-ATAkfXNHoyD
Infirmary was definitely my favorite. While I wouldn't expect the games to do this, I was thinking that the room could have a time limit and the pulse would increase over time.
It's the best kind of unnerving feeling.
>>345146903
Answer this cuckholds.
>>345149195
I can't think of anything more pathetic than being so pissy that you whine about a thread being up too often for your liking on this particular board in the year of our Lord two thousand and sixteen
>>345149415
>other threads break rules so i can too!
fuck you nigger
the only thing differentiating this thread from a /vg/ general is a number
you even have "____ edition" in the fucking OP
>>345149415
>overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all
>poll results 72% of votes either "good" or "great, on par with rest of the series"
>>345148097
1:35 is pretty good.
>>345149415
>but if you've been in any of the threads you'd understand that the overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all
Disappointed in it? Most likely. Doesn't like the game at all? You're bullshitting.
>>345148836
I didn't dislike Mira, I just felt indifference which is appropriate given her condition, I guess. I thought it was fun how quickly things escalated in the study though.
>casual exposition while scooping this guy's chest out
>sean just stands there watching
>>345149415
>>345149641
>>345149415
I shit on the game and it's flaws all the time, doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it overall.
This game was really short compared to VLR, and less interesting too, is the author planning on a sequel? A pure VN where everyone prevent the terrorist attack?
>>345149415
I like the game. Uchi's the one I hate.
Incompetent chink.
>>345150015
>ZE4 happens
>turns out the terrorist nuked earth to prevent it being taken by aliens
>new cast now must work with the terrorist to create a timeline where the aliens don't kill everyone
I can see already see it. Get oochie on the phone
>>345149415
>>345150193
/v/ is the last board that should be complaining about the catalog. The game just recently released, some of us got our orders late and are only finishing it now. It will die naturally in time, it's not hard to filter it until then.
>>345150485
lets add the concept of "survival of the finest" as the objective of the virus, and the theme should be why the weak should kneel to the strong.
Is anyone else really disappointed that the game didn't even come close to the grim atmosphere the teaser art had?
Pic related, the contraption in the art is so medieval and filthy looking, while the one in game is just some futuristic bullshit.
Even with the questionable graphics the game had, I think they couldve pulled it off a lot better.
>>345150485
>Terrorist was a "religious extremist"
>Zero the 4th goes on about creating a better breed of human and transcending ourselves
>Turns out heWas attemping to create this timeline over and over for the specific purpose of creating more espers/mind hackers/blick winkel phenomena through the epigenetic effect in order to create a perfect world where everyone is happy because they can seek their own perfect timeline.
OR
>Zero 4 claims to have one accomplice among them who will bring about the destruction
>9 different timelines, each one resulting in a different character being the accomplice for varying reasons.
That'd actually be kind of cool
>>345150485
>ZE5-8 are all focused on the aliens
>they show that the aliens had their own nonary games, their own crazy pandemic, and that their planet was about to be taken by humans
>ZE9 is about humans and aliens uniting against the true antagonist, the player
ZE should just embrace going full retard.
>>345151759
What will ZE20 be about
>>345151824
shifting to our cavemen ancestors and preventing the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs as to avoid the aliens that spread throughout the world from said meteor
>>345152085
>ungaigma's cungabunga is 40 ingas long but folds down to 22 ingas when not in unga
>>345151824
>ZE10-17 are all ARGs that pit the players of the game against the rebelling characters of the game
>the whole point of these ARGs was to make ZE19 playable, which involves using VR to go into the game and fight off the game's cast
>ZE20 is both players and characters uniting against the real, true antagonistUchikoshi
And ZE18 is a spin-off porn game.
>>345146758
Sweet, got a source? My game just arrived the other day sans watch. I don't mind that I had to buy another copy because I want to support the series
>>345151292
That is more of a systemic problem with teaser / concept art in general, and not just a limited case. But I'll agree that having already traversed the rather sterile environments in VLR, that having a more dilapidated look in ZTD would have been refreshing.
>>345151759
>embrace going full retard
one DR is more than enough
>>345144368
>my favorite character
>called "absolutely necessary" by Akane
>entirely absent in ZTD, barely even a mention
I am going to be a pissy, bitter fuck about this until the day I die.
>>345152808
Wasn't the "player" absolutely necessary? Granted the player doesn't interact with the world either
I thought Kyle went back just because Sigma didn't want to leave him behind.
>>345153119
>>345152808
>implying Sigma cared
Stay mad Kylefags. Erasing his ungrateful, faggy "son" was the best thing for Siggy.
>>345152808
>anon becomes Tenmyouji
>>345152542
https://twitter.com/Aksys_Danny/status/753048018111176704
Game arrived for me today via import too, hope I still get the bonus orders and Amazon doesn't fuck me over again.
>>345153119
Nah brah. Here's Akane at the end of VLR.
https://youtu.be/n2OPoGn-rGA?t=1266
>>345153323
>Dangan Ronpa images
Anti-Kylefags aren't even trying.
>>345152808
>trusting Akane
playing through Ever17, should I see the bad endings, or are they just "you lose" like in VLR and ZTD?
>>345154232
At least see You's bad end.
I haven't gotten around to reading the epilogue files.
What happened to Clover and Lotus at the end of VLR with the Schrodinger's cat shit?
Where's Snake?
>edition
Off to /vg/ faggot
>>345154308
They can send copies of their bodies back in time although they will still be stuck in the future. Basically >>345153753
Snake is singing in a cafe or whatever it said in VLR.
Has anyone else been autistic enough totry to write ZE4 concepts in their head?
>>345154562
Only every fucking goddamn thread I mean seriously are you expecting people haven't?
>>345153753
>wearing FtS robes despite saying she'll never go to the meeting we didn't see
>>345148062
>Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi
This is a cool concept, I just think they seriously dropped the ball hard on how it actually played out since the whole killer on the loose thing was underutilized. Hell, most of the game's concepts were solid ideas but they were just underutilized. Like fragments with the sleeping beauty thing (the flow diagram made fragments pointless), the memory erasing, the shared wards, old man Delta (who didn't have much of a reason to even be there), and the mind hacking forcing characters to do things they didn't want to do (this could have been a perfect fourth-wall breaking thing about the player making dumb decisions to see the outcomes).
Ultimately all the pieces were there to make use of, but it was all just executed poorly. VLR set up a much bigger story than "you do what zero wants you to do" for the third time.
>>345154697
Delta said she would go and she did.
Also the meeting was on the day the reactor exploded, coincidence?
everything makes more sense if you assume Akane was working with Brother and lied with everyone, that's why she only sent part of the informationfrom the future to the younger one and all the lies
>>345154697
>apocalypse happens regardless
>Meh, might as well see what Zero has to say
Can we all agree that cinematic cutscenes were a mistake? They ate up the budget and completely ruined the atmosphere.
>>345154232
I would personally recommend thetsugumi-sora bad end
>>345154730
The murderer on the loose was shit. The "piranha in with the koi" thing doesn't really work when no one knew she was a murderer for the majority of the game.
>>345149771
>>sean just stands there watching
Well, anon. What would you do in Sean's situation?
>>345148062
>Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi.
but no one knew about her and the timelines where she kills it doesn't have any impact
if she kills Junpei, Akane blames Carlos
if she kills the other teams she just leaves
>>345154867
>>345154885
I just wanted to see the fucking meeting since it seemed like it was definitely going to be significant. Almost nowhere throughout the series something like that was brought up and then just dropped.Kyle
Fuck Uchi
>>345154939
>>345154232
Ok. Is the Sara bad end also worth something?
It's so gay that when you reload an older save file after beating a route dialogue is still not treated as if you have already read it. When does the You bad and good endings brach out?
I was really hoping for the only way to stop Radical-6 would be to go back in time and stop yourself from saving Akane in the incinerator.
>>345155052
>Come and I wll show you the god of this world and its secrets
>no follow up
yeah, it was pretty much cockblocking
>>345154648
I guess not. Any good ones? I'm trying to go back to the point before ZTD actually came out and the franchise was full of possibilities. I can't SHIFT, so I need internet weirdos to spoonfeed me delusions instead.
>>345155145
>It's so gay
You're on /v/ and you just set off every homosexual here, which is most of us.
Your advice is over. Consider yourself fortunate that I don't spoil the fact that Tsugumi is a hologram.
>>345155196
>killing a little girl to stop a virus she has no knowledge of
Uchi pls go
>>345155306
>Tsugumi is a hologram
the plot thickens and so do I
>>345154995
Maybe shoot her with the weapon in my hands? Run away while she's preoccupied with her ritual? Just a thought.
>>345155354
I think it would fit more with the theme of the player being the one responsible for influencing the world.
But since they dropped everything in the ending of VLR it doesn't matter anyway.
>>345154232
Sora route almost made me drop that shit. I know it's hip to hate on it but it really does suck. If there's one thing ZE did better, it's the AI characters.
>>345155397
I think you need to recharge a crossbow after you shoot a bolt, the process is lengthy, boy probably didn't want to provoke the crazy woman, he'd be dead before he could load another bolt.
And as we know, he was too fond of Q to leave him alone with her, as shown in the Game Over you get when Q Team gives the other two teams an acid shower.
>>345155556
Killing young Akane would achieve fuck all. She's not related to R6's creation.
Maybe force Sigma to not save Dianaback when I believed he lost his arms/eyes like a hero instead of like a fucking retard.
ZTD is a fucking mess
>>345154981
This. There's no way for them to even deduce that there's a murderer because they're all on different teams and have no idea how other teams are dying. They also lose their memories every 90 minutes.
>>345155306
fag
>>345155908
But the emotional impact! This series already said fuck it to logic.
>ZTD is just Back to the Future "moral" choices edition
>>345155886
There was also a grenade launcher that he probably could have grabbed. I think she dropped her gun, too.
why doesn't Sigma know anything about how he lost his arms?
>>345156084
>serial killer getting her just desserts
>emotional impact
>>345156304
Play VLR.
>>345156775
>hurr durr le play VLR
don't post if you don't have anything to say
>>345157174
>spoon feed me please
VLR clearly explains why Sigma doesn't know how he lost his arms.
>>345157558
except that explanation doesn't make any sense
especially after the events of ZTD
>>345155196
Go away Living is Weird dev.
>>345157936
Nothing makes sense after ZTD.
>>345156186
speaking of grenade launcher...that don't shoot ending was retarded
>>345155886
He cared about all of team Q because they were pretty much his entire world at that point, I think he had to throw that sentiment away when he shot Eric but I can believe he was too shocked to do much when Mira just started scooping him out like a pumpkin.
>>345154917
I liked the cinematics but I missed the prose and how it got you into the heads of the characters (although I guess they purposefully avoided that since you are meant to be seeing from Delta's perspective). I think a compromise would have been nice.
>>345156304
He jumped out of his younger body when the experiment was over and Akane wasn't there but that doesn't explain why Diana didn't tell him.
>>345159801
If he jumped out who was in his body until young Sigma from VLR enters at the end of VLR?
I have questions. Please don't give me meme answers. I actually want to know:
Where the fuck is Alice?
Where the fuck is Clover?
Where the fuck is Kyle?
What exactly was Old Akane's plan to send Alice, Clover, and Kyle physically back in time to the good timeline? Did it involve the Transporter? Did she succeed? And if so, where the hell IS everybody?
So Luna is just completely fucked? That's it? End of story?
Why would Delta send Dio in the first place?
Why did Akane act like an innocent little muffin the whole game when she's basically supposed to be this jaded, all-powerful super-psychic who has viewed millions of timelines?
Why is all the animation so shitty?
Why did Junpei join Crash Keys after ZTD? They defeated Delta and stopped Radical-6. There is no point to the organization even existing anymore, right?
Who killed Left, and why?
So Mira used the transporter to undo her crimes? Doesn't that invalidate Eric's, Sean's, and her very own presence in ZTD's timeline? Thus ruining the events of the game and once again spreading Radical-6 across the globe?
So Delta saw the Morphogenetic field was indeed building in toxicity, and none of the good guys saw it important to deal with this at any point?
The game ends and everyone just keeps their Morphogenetic abilities? Does nobody else think that's fucking insane to have like half a dozen people walking around with crazy mind powers? This one isn't really a complaint but It's fuckin' weird.
So the game just cuts off at the end? We don't get to see any real epilogue to characters we've been following for seven goddamned years? Not even some snapshots of Junpei, Akane, Seven, Aoi, Light, Clover, Sigma, Diana, Alice, Hazuki, Maria, Carlos, and all their little tykes running around at the wedding? You couldn't give me ONE SINGLE IMAGE of fan service after seven years, three games, and multiple special edition pre-order watches?
>>345160030
That's when he jumps out, presumably to the end of VLR when Akane pulls out the knife. The plot hole isn't with Sigma witnessing/not witnessing the event, it's with no one ever telling young Sigma when he returns to his body. I guess we can't say for sure that old Sigma didn't know but it seems dumb that he'd try to stop the bomb already knowing the outcome.
>>345160764
I thought that Sigma jumped to the day the reactors exploded and that's also why he was surprised about the lack of arms and eye.
>>345160614
C O M P L E X
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Another thing that pissed me off was that everyone at Aksys promised it was 40 hours when it was barely half of that. Not to mention the fact that we had to listen to every line of dialog rather than being able to press X when we were done reading meant that the game had way less dialog than VLR did.
>>345160991
I meant young Sigma.
So if Old is back to the future who was in Sigma's body for 4 months
>>345161303
they were infected with Radical-6 that's why it felt like 40 hours to them
>>345161303
They said that? Those fuckers it was 19.
>>345160614
Who cares?
Who cares?
Who?
Probably, and who cares?
They can fax her too, but who cares?
To help Akane because muh piranha
Complex writing. They nerfed her powers, she can't see shit now.
Because voice acting was a mistake
R6 was never the problem. The fanatic is still on the loose.
Who cares? Delta doesn't give a fuck about him
Yes. Bravo, Uchi
Yes
Who cares?
>>345158716
Schrödinger's grenade launcher -- its ammunition exists in the quantum state of both "explode on impact" and "explode after timer."
>>345161373
What do you mean?
>>345161373
Just because young sigma spent a day in old sigma's body doesn't mean that old Sigma only spent a day in young sigma's body.
>>345160614
Alice and Clover are frozen.
Uchi dropped the ball with Kyle.
Akane was proven this game to be untrustworthy as fuck, she probably was disingenuous to them when she told them they could "go back" and just meant she could send transporter copies to fill the voids they left.
I haven't beat VLR in a while, is Old Sigma still alive at the end? If yes, then Luna is fine.
Delta sent Dio for the same reason he included Mira probably.
Akane was poorly written this game, all I can think of is that she hadn't actually done that stuff to such an extent yet and the VLR end was a precursor to her colder demeanor.
Budget.
Fanatic that will supposedly destroy the world is still on the loose.
Some thugs probably, it's not important other than motivating young Delta towards mobilizing his organization. Since Left was presumably young it probably suggests Delta admires something about children (like their purity), you can see with him building a robot of Sean which is similar behavior to the Left clone thing.
It undoes the games but who's to say what the outcome of all those changes are, maybe the terrorist never emerges at all.
Don't remember that.
Having a team of shifting superheroes was apparently one of Delta's """complex""" motives.
I think this game would have been better if it stopped bringing in old characters and fan service and just tried to be its own new story but that's just me.
>>345160991
Old Sigma remains in that body until young Sigma wakes up in the epilogue of VLR.
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>345161303
Shitty things about ZTD aside, I probably wouldn't have been so pissed off if the game had twice as much content as it did. The amount of things that the finale to Zero Escape needed to cover definitely warranted 40 hours.
The incomplete package we got seemed to end prematurely on top of that, as if it really did run out of budget and needed to be wrapped up as quickly as possible.
Ugh.
>>345160614
Hell
Heaven
Lost. If found, please contact Sigma Klim.
Clover and Alice don't need to be part of the Decision game. There were already too many returning characters.
Diana is Luna, and assuming she doesn't spend too much time on the moon she'll be fine.
In order to mess with the AB project so that it would be a success so that he would be born.
She has to play her role in order to make sure the timelines happen. But who knows how much she really knew about DCOM.
Budget the length of Eric's patience.
He wants to stick his dick into crazy. Also there's the fucking terrorist to stop.
No clue. Maybe Delta for fun.
She's could've failed. But Q-team's ending is dumb, ignore it.
What?
I mean, Eric clearly thought it was batshit and I don't think he kept it. But if you have the crazy mind powers already, you're in company.
Budget. Also, do you want ZTD to ruin all the characters you've enjoyed thus far?
>on morning jog
>encounter a fork in the road
>a single solitary snail blocks your path
What do?
>>345162482
Pick it up and eat it because I'm French.
>>345162220
>>345162315
I mean, if that's the case why they act like they don't know anything about what happened at the mars experiment or how he lost his arms?
>>345162482
Is the snail Carlos? If so, fug him.
Is there a better maymay than Complex Motives?
>>345146762
After bitching to amazon I got 20 bucks in courtesy credit so my final bill for the watch edition was 12 freedom dollars.
>>345162621
The Sigma in ZTD is the young Sigma from VLR who's now old as fuck.
why didn't Akane or Diana earne him about the bomb tho, muh bootstrap paradox? I'm starting to hate those.
>>345162610
Sacre bleu you fucking sicko.
>>345161303
Somehow, I managed to completely forget about that. Certainly came nowhere near forty fucking hours.
>>345162702
Now whyand howwould you fuck a snail?
>>345163000
Yeah, that's what I mean. I know Sigma can't know these things because he has to experience them.
But there are other people that were there and if he had 4 months to talk to them he should have said everything to Akane.
After all wasn't he the one that told her to ship them to the Moon or was Akane getting messages from the future?
>>345162702
Is Carlos=the snail a meme now and are you implying that the snail was actually Carlos in a costume and that you'd just fug him instead of question it?
Wow
>>345162723
I don't think I have a favorite meme, I'm thankful for all of them. There are many things this game did wrong but at least it gave me laughs. I'm amazed Eric is only attached to one considering it's canon that the dude fucking cosplays.
>>345163225
>After all wasn't he the one that told her to ship them to the Moon or was Akane getting messages from the future?
I don't remember. It makes more sense for future Akane to contact her younger self, but Uchi can't write Akane for shit so who knows?
Akane could retain information from Sigma because she's a bitch, but Diana is too 'soft hearted' to do the same.
>>345163747
She might have told him eventually but that opens up the new plothole of why they would come up with the bomb idea when they know how it ends.
>>345163289
Yes, yes it is
This is probably my first post here after years of silence but this here poll restored some of my faith in you guys. It's not a perfect game and imo it's the lesser one in the trilogy but I had fun playing it, especially since I for a long time thought the game would never happen at all ("better than nothing" right). 999 and VLR hit me harder but this was a nice ride and complex snails and memes sort of added to that.
>>345164209
Please go back to lurking.
Is it possible that we the player are actually MIND HACKING Delta into MIND HACKING the others so we essentially are Zero?
>>345148097
Is this a VLR remix? It sounds SO familiar and I usually have a terrible memory for music
But why did he shoot the dog.
ITT: You SHIFTed to a timeline where Operation Bluebird failed and ZE3 was never released. What do you say the Zero Escape fans there?
>>345164610
I tell them that Kyle isn't in the game so that way they won't believe anything I say.
>>345164414
but Delta was able to mind hack even before this game, if it was the player he should only have this ability now that we can see his adventure
>>345164361
I will, you're mum is waiting :^)
>>345164709
I'm not saying that we gave him the mind hack, just that we're the ones controlling the mind hacking during the game.
>>345164610
I tell them aliens are involved in ZE3.
>>345164209
I feel you, guy. It did many things poorly but I'm still reeling that it was even released since I only found out recently, and I had a fun ride despite my criticisms.
>>345164552
To make the dog a shifter.The most common theory I've seen is that he wanted to minimize their reasons not to shift at the end and everyone liked the dog.
>In the future the world ends in nuclear war
>To stop this I'm going to kill everyone I possibly can
>Hopefully that will kill the people that start the war too
Fucking classic. Master plan.
>>345164610
I tell them that the game was worse than nothing.
>>345164610
I use the opportunity to release a transcript of ZTD as my own fanfiction and proceed to see people call it terrible and how many plot points is missing
>>345147945
What was great about Eric is that he's essentially how a person from the real world would react to all the crazy events going on through the game. His naive nature only further backs up that he is as close as we could get to how a 'normal' person would react in a situation like this.
>>345164414
They should have cut out the middleman and made the players the one forcing protagonists to do out of character things
It's be a much better excuse for characters like Diana giving everyone an acid shower. Just cut out Delta's whole "human choices are fascinating" and work in the fact that WE are the ones choosing every option possible, simply because we want to see what happens.
>>345164976
Normal people wouldn't do what Eric did in the game. He's a computer game character. He is highly unrealistic.
>>345165064
I agree completely. It would have been much more satisfying to have that happen and actually utilize the ? ending shit.
But we didn't get that. Thanks Uchi.
>>345165091
>He is highly unrealistic
How so? Keep in mind that most of the crazy shit he does can be explained by his fucked up childhood.
>>345164976
>normal people would shoot a grenade to a kid and elderly man with no remorse
American or Slav?
>>345146956
I wanted VLR>999=ZTD
reminder there is nothing wrong with ztd's ending
>>345164459
>Monitor 2nd Mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1yVqJA3u4Y
post yfw Mindhacccc
>>345165307
That means he's a narratively supported character, not a realistic one. None of the characters in this game are realistic. Often times they have to act really fucking unbelievably stupid or homocidal for the purposes of plot and entertainment value.
>>345165540
>>345164976
I've seen some super in-depth analysis of Eric, I still think the game kind of squandered his potential but it's interesting to read.
>>345165091
"Normal" might not be a good word considering the things that drive his behavior are not normal circumstances, but I've met people with the same kind of background who were eerily similar including the hair-trigger temper, thankfully no grenade launcher though.
>>345165380
Open ending isn't a great choice for the conclusion of a trilogy but I do think people over-react to it, even though I had my own fit when I first finished.
>>345165091
>MY GFS DEAD I'M SHOOTING EVERYONE
>yes, very well, just let me explain how we transported here
>All right...MIRA'S STILL DEAD THO SO I'M GOING TO KILL YOU ALL
>ok but first, please shoot the wall
>So we were in the same ward all along? Pretty neat I guess, but if someone doesn't confess YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE
>that's nice eric, i'm just going to teach Carlos how to use the transporter, ok?
>Ugh, fine. Aliens? You think I'm a fucking baka or something? SHOTGUN TIME
>[insert i won't die.webm here]
>Eric FINALLY shoots someone
I actually like Eric, but that was the most anticlimactic breakdown ever, he was so patient
>>345165540
>>345162723
I never thought this would happen, but I think I'm finally sick of complex motives as a meme. Probably my mistake tho, going on
>>345165540
ZTD was a mistake.
Who snail lamp?
>>345165581
Those are some nice examples. I'm not saying everyone, including Eric, doesn't act unreasonably stupid throughout the game. But of the characters, Eric is the one that makes the most sense, considering his background and the scenario.
CLARIFICATION 2nd MIX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKLIZ26Eq8
>>345165719
I know the game meant for him to be childish and irrational but let's be real here, if people came up to you bullshitting a bunch of crap about transporting through time and swapping their consciousness through timelines, they would come across as conspiracy theorist-tier nutters.
>>345166459
Forgot to say This is the music I listen to when I read wikipedia
>>345154981
When I was translating the Q team scans I looked up the whole transporting koi thing. Apparently they need ammonia and they're actually delicate as fuq, so a pirahna would actually just stress them to death and then eat them. Thanks Mira
>>345166369There can be only one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJt9p-sHho
"Motivos complejos", mi amigo
>>345166618
Mira's soulless expression and black fingernails make me excited
Has anyone else found themselves wanting to replay ZTD? I think I've been wanting to see how it holds up in the face of all the criticism without relying just on my memory.
Or maybe I just don't want the ZE magic to end just yet. I wasnt even mad at the ending when I finished, just felt kinda empty.
Post your crazy fanfiction
>Carlos is actually another Delta sent to the future from 1904 just like young Phi was sent from the past
>the entire point of the game was to give Carlos/Younger Delta the ability Shift too other than to Mindhack (wich will awaken later in life)
>>345167037
I kind of want to, but I don't really want the tedium of "vote c team" "vote q team" "press shower button" "dont press shower button" over and over.........
total snoozefest
>>345167037
I've been replaying the other two. Will replay when I'm finished.I feel I'll enjoy it more
>>345167070
>Carlos is actually Left
>Brother uses the ayylmao machine to produce a new copy of him every 10 months
>Dio is just a Carlos that got mindhacc'd
>>345166618
Just doing her job.
>>345167037
I started it last Saturday and finished it yesterday, and kept track of my thoughts the whole time.
After getting all the vote outcomes and such, I played through all of C's unlocked fragments, all of Q's unlocked fragments, and all of D's unlocked fragments, in that order, then made further passes in the same order to get the new fragments, until finishing the game.
Somewhere shortly before finishing with C team's initial batch of fragments, I pretty much settled on "this game is good but not nearly as good as its predecessors" and stayed there for the rest of the game.
Also, D team definitely got the best fragments.
Reminder that Mira literally killed humanity.
>Sigma spends all of VLR honing his SHIT abilities
>"oh no my shift connection's been cut"
What on earth was that? Is it cause Mira got the jump on him and "already dying" doesn't let you shift like imminent danger does?
>>345167287
Reviews said it was more meaningful in ZTD to immediately go back and redo your choices, than it was to redo them in VLR. That, too, was baloney. I liked the flowchart 90% of the time but it felt incredibly cheap to redo grave decisions RIGHT away. Especially the ones that didn't immediately Game Over. I wish I hadn't done it so often.
4 years.
Do you feel that fully animated cut scenes took up most of the game's budget, which caused the game to be the length it is?
>>345167647
>most people got this ending first
I can't believe Mira was EXACTLY what the trailers set her up to be. She was the character I was most interested in learning about. But no, you can get her big reveal as one of the first team endings (if not THE first) and then there's nothing more to her ever again.
I'm still sort of disappointed that I didn't even figure out the 4th participant. I can still remember what I didn't manage to put together.
>Screams in shower
>"Just like the old man in the chair" (I literally thought he was referring to some retarded Japanese folk lore)
>Eric asking the "old man" what he thinks
>Thought the 10 participant anagram referred to the dog or some shit
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
>The 4 endings for the standoff
>Picked up on every time the group referred to Sean as someone they didn't know
I think I'm actually retarded. It took me 15 minutes of just sitting down and thinking to work out where Zero was supposed to fit into the game after the reveal.
>>345167816
Yeah, ZTD's choices ended up kinda weird.
With VLR, I'd make my choices and ride all the way to an ending, good or bad, and only then go back and redo a choice. The only times I ever found myself redoing big decisions almost immediately was when they were very close to the end of a timeline.
With ZTD, you redo all the decisions pretty much immediately. You have every reason to, since the story fragment system means the narrative isn't meant to cohere anyway until all the pieces come together in the end, while VLR tells a coherent story that you can then run back through and change.
>>345168140
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
Was good game.
Jumped the shark at ALIENS DID IT and PSYCHOMANTIS tho.
Still, glad this shit was made. Had just as many hard hitting feels times.
After they stuck the babies in the pods I sat there and felt terrible cause that just meant in that reality all four of them were gonna starve to death shortly after.
>>345168140
I figured the old man in the chair was something they encountered back at DCom before the experiment, like some preliminary test or something.
I also spent a long time thinking that the fourth ending for the standoff was if Sean shot himself, deliberately sacrificing himself for them, so I was trying to figure out his name after "Q" didn't work.
I guess I must be retarded too.
>>345167836
Fully 3D animated cutscene actually saved more money.than individual sprite like 999.
Although if they went with VLR it could save more but VN in general has a high entry barrier in the west. They also had a very limited budget and staff comparing to the previous entries for this game.
>>345168140
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
Sean is too pure, holy shit.
>>345167037
I'm doing it now that my head has cooled off and I don't have false expectations. It's fun but it depends on your attitude towards the game.
>>345168342
>all four of them were gonna starve to death shortly after.
You can cook the babies and eat them. Along with Gab.
TIME TO DECIDE
MAKE YOUR DECISION
>>345168410
>Fully 3D animated cutscene actually saved more money.than individual sprite like 999.
wat. Why is that?
>>345168140
>>Thought the 10 participant anagram referred to the dog or some shit
>>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
How did you not pick it up at that point?
>>345168416
>>345168252
I spent 2 days straight (only breaking for sleep) to play it. I did the same with the other two games.
Makes me fuck up on putting together the pieces.
Just finished game.
Honestly, 3 ending ago with the twins and what not felt like actual endings to plot lines.
The final 'true' ending just felt like a 'happy' ending that had to happen because technically that reality had to happen somehow.
Also lol at the faggot's that won a coin flip, were suddenly outside, then OMG BOMB.
That's about the unluckiest group of nobodies who never knew nothing there ever was.
>>345168693
One and done
>>345168342
>all four of them
anon...
>>345168658
Kill, marry, fuck.
Gab, twins, diana edition.
Kyle is in sigma's body.
>>345168880
K End
>>345168252
>>345168416
>>345168719
Not him but I did the same thing, I thought it meant "dealt" and Akane was fucking stupid and the actual anagram was something different that she was written to overlook until later
Though this was well before the name delta even came up
>>345168719
I'm pretty sure it's possible to get Akane to answer the anagram before you know about Phi and Delta.
In which case you'll probably forget about the anagram by the time you learn about Phi and Delta, and just miss the connection.
>>345168840
Silly anon, Gab won't starve to death.
They'll cook him WAY before that.
How do we know those are Sigma's kids?
Diana did apparently fuck her ex after they broke up.
>>345169354
You know for all the bullshit, Delta could have left them with like a hydroponics station or something or rigged the shit to open a little after 10 months.
You just need them to teleport your babby self to the past no sense in starving them afterwards.
>>345168765
Sprites are easy to create animations that are reused over and over. When creating a different scene that uses sprites, like 999, an already made sprite can be inserted in it.
While ZTD is indeed 'One and done', 3d animation takes a LOT of time. And previous animations that were created can't be used again (usually). For example, that scene that had Akane holding a chainsaw is fine, but it doesn't make sense in any other scene because there isn't a chainsaw anymore.
>>345167070
>The religious fanatic only comes into existence because of the Decision Game
Yes, it makes little to no sense. Doesn't mean I can't laugh at it.
>>345143591
Okay, I literally just beat it
Why is everyone so disappointed with it?
I think the only thing that let me down was how quickly the game wrapped itself up.
>>345169589
They need to believe they will starve or they won't transport the kids though.
If the hydroponics station is perfectly hidden until after the transportation, or the X door will re-open after the transportation, THEN it could work, but I don't know if even Zero is good enough to rig the transporter to only do those things if specific people get transported. It is, after all, alien technology.
>>345169589
>frozen potatoes
>tfw you notice that the animators were so incompetent that they couldn't even make held objects separate from the character models, as evidenced by the camera fading to black or panning away every single time an object is thrown, as well as Akane's chainsaw "falling" out of her hands without her hands actually being on screen
>>345169715
>Lagomorph in Hell
Did somebunny say "I want some tubocurarine in me RIGHT NOW"?
>>345170250
>400x240
>>345169634
An argument against sprites "reusability" would be scaling.
With the 3D models you could throw them at literally any resolution and be done with it. The moment you start arbitrarily scaling sprites, instead of integer scaling which may not work with ever resolution and maintain the presentation, the quality will go to shit.
>>345170278
>implying anyone actually bought a Vita
So quark will never exist.
Whatashame. Never gonna see brickhead lunatic child go on kill crazy rampage.
