It's been 18 years. Eighteen damn fucking years, yet not ONE video game has come close to dethroning it as the greatest vidya of all time. Why the fuck is this, /v/?
Majora's Mask is better.
>>345138035
First post best post
>>345135609
did you just turn 18 as well?
There are two better games released in 2015, one of the worst years in 2010s. TW3 and BB.
Also first post best post, MM is fucking great.
>>345135609
Meh, 9/10 game
>>345138141
>TW3 and BB.
>>345135609
Let's get this shit started
>20 fps
>>345135609
>Ocarina of Time is the best game of all time
This meme needs to die. Granted that it has been the best when it came out, it's not even a contestor for GOAT anymore
>>345138337
I didn't mention MGSV because it still hurts.
But yeah, it's pretty good.
>>345138380
Silky smooth.
>>345138474
>Granted that it has been the best when it came out
No, not granted.
>>345135609
Megaman Legends is older and better
Saints Row 2 isnever ever getting a worthy followup
>>345138659
I get the feeling SR2 is like some huge nostalgia piece for 00s kids, but I don't get it. It looks like just another open world crime TPS
>>345138035
It's not. All the temples in Majora are ass. Majora has an interesting world and that's it.
>>345138775
It is, but the city's fun, the character's are, by and large, interesting, there's a lot of side-activities, vehicle customization was good, character customization was great, there was a good degree of freedom (you CAN run around dressed as a hot-dog. You aren't forced to for 'epic lulz')
It's not even my favourite game, but it was good
>>345135609
If you really think OoT is the best game ever why aren't you pouring over the rom data to find any last vestiges of what earlier versions were like?:
https://tcrf.net/Proto:Chrono_Trigger_(SNES)/Area_Differences/1000_AD
:^)
>>345138474
lets see you name a better game u fucking idiot
>>345139783
Mega Man 2
Mega Man 3
Mega Man 4
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
F-Zero X
Star Fox 64
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Xenogears
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Vanquish
Mega Man X
Mega Man X2
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Sin & Punishment: Star Successor
Super Metroid
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
:3
>>345135609
This game is way, way overrated.
Well no shit
It doesn't come out till September
>>345140997
It really isn't.
>>345135609
I unironically agree with OP
just because most people agree it's the greatest game ever made doesn't mean YOU aka. "T. Snowflake" need to like it.
It just means you have weirdo hipster contrarian taste and you take Egoraptor way too seriously.
>>345138786
>All the temples in Majora are ass.
If you even played the game, you would know it's not all about muh temples.
It was boring even when I was kid
>>345141310
but for someone who values Temples over everything else, OoT is superior.
In terms of subtext and symbolism, Majora's Mask takes the lead... but I'd say OoT isn't far behind.
OoT's greatest strength is that it has very few gimmicks and weak points. It's an extremely well balanced game. Players are bound to love something about it.
The only games that even come CLOSE to the N64 Zeldas are probably Read Dead Redemption and the later GTA games... Other than that there's very little competition in terms of scale, freedom, and overall attention to detail.
>>345138786
>All the temples in Majora are ass.
The Temples in MM are the best in the series that legitimately have some challenge to them (e.g in dungeon and enemy design).
>>345135609
it helps that the 3d graphics were primitive and not a major focus.
plus everything else was done right.
its literally the perfect game that can't happen anymore thanks to increasing game budgets and gimmicks.
>>345135609
Kids who love Ocarina of Time
- Clean
- Polite
- Even tempered
- Precocious
- Appreciation for artistic genius
- Generally successful in their careers
- A little quiet in large social situations
- Loved by close friends and colleagues
Kids who hate Ocarina of Time
- Hyperactive
- Can't pay attention to anything
- Edgelords
- Masochistic
- Love shitty music as long as its loud and screaming
- Were probably raised in daycare and permanently stunted because of it.
- Probably the victims of violent or botched circumcisions.
This is just my personal experience.
- Probably couldn't graduate Highschool
>>345142345
Now you know why /v/ likes MM
>>345142345
People who hate Ocarina of Time love Insane Clown Posse and think wrestling is real
>>345142345
Now do a list for people that love and hate MM
>>345141948
Gomess is one of the coolest enemies to ever appear in a game
It's just a meme perpetuated by kids mad they didn't have MGS or FFVII.
>>345142552
It's the same list for both
>>345142559
Debatable.
>>345135609
Have you thought that while it's a good game is maybe just you that don't like games this much anymore?
When you get older you see things more coldly, without the same passion. If you seriously believe that a game never outdone OoT in this or last decade, then my first statement is probably true.
>>345138786
Why do pepole always say this? They're fine.
There is literally nothing wrong with the Water Temple, and Great Bay Temple is one of my favourite dungeons in the series.
>>345135609
Water Temple
>>345135609
It wasn't even the best game of 1998. Metal Gear Solid and Brood War were markedly better and innovative. It's not even the best Zelda game.
>tfw ocarina of time is older than half the posters on neo /v/
>>345142345
The Generation Z will be struggling bad their entire lives.
>>345143516
I still enjoy plenty of modern games immensely, but OoT represents something unattainable, a higher ideal, it is a perfect game. Nothing seems to offer a similar sense of adventure, awe and beauty. I'm really hoping BoTW becomes its spiritual successor.
>>345141198
I really don't think they can top Pirates Cures
>>345140292
>Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
So, one game?
>>345135609
This was the first game for a lot op feople
>>345138474
No. Soulcalibur and Suikoden ii came in 1998, both much better
>>345135609
soon brother
>There are people reading /v/ RIGHT NOW who are younger than this game
It's not even better than Undertale.
What happened to that poll anyways? Did Gamefucks get so buttblasted they just pretended it never happened?
>hop sideways simulator
>no option to stay in kokiri forest and romance saria
0/10
>>345135609
Well, something has got to be number one.
Although pic related is actually the best game of all time.
>>345135609
It's been 12 years. Twelve years and not ONE single person has come close to dethroning OP as the greatest autist of all time.soon 13 years. Happy birthday OP
>>345135609
Pokemon Go
/thread
>>345145487
>oh time goes by and people who were younger and now old enough to post on 4chan OOHHH THE HORROR OF TIIIIMEEE
ALTTP, MM, and TP are all better.
>>345140292
>putting final fantasy 8 on that list
>neglecting ff 9
Take your shitty damson's creek romance outta here
>>345149220
Reddit. Go. Now.
>>345140292
>Xenogears
Get that trash off of that list, gamespot gave that game a 1.0/5 back in the day.
>>345149442
You just posted the only good thing about Twilight Princess
>>345151285
Dungeons were good though, as were sword techniques and some of the stuff between dungeons like horse battles, sumo, and snowboarding.
People just give it a really hard time since there is legitimate filler before the first dungeon.
It's been thirty years. Thirty damn fucking years, yet not ONE Zelda game has come close to dethroning it as the greatest Zelda game of all time. Why the fuck is that?
>>345135609
Ocarina of Time IS the best game of all time. It's not a meme, it actually deserves the title. The effect it had was so far stretching. It's gaming's Magnum Opus. If you can't recognize that, regardless of what you enjoy, then you can't honestly say you're a gamer.
>>345151615
I dunno, I think Super Mario 64 has been more revolutionary.
>>345135609
But Terraria exists, anon
>>345135609
It wasn't even the best game in the fucking year it released lol
I thought the witcher 3 beat ocarina of time.
>>345151587
Shits lame mate, dungeons are basically combat rooms (and bombing walls at one of four locations) yet it has the worst combat in the series. Just because you have tons of freedom in terms of order doesn't make it great.
>>345151615
No it isn't and no it doesn't.
It's a great game, but it's only great. OoT is a testament to how awful the N64 controller was. The fact that Nintendo was able to make OoT at all in spite of that piece of shit is impressive.
There's also the fact that OoT was pretty much the only game of its kind that came out in 1998. It had no competition. It bought market share, it didn't earn it.
>>345135609
Because it set the standards for so many damn things. The idea that this was one of their first forays into 3D games and they just nailed it right away pretty much guaranteed its place in history right from the beginning.
>>345143682
No, they aren't. Litera;;y only the last dungeon is good, and one dungeon being better than shit is NOT in the makings of a great Zelda game.
Get back to me when not only 90% of your sequels, but even other games not apart of your franchise tries to do the same thing Majora's Mask did, yet worse. That is literally OoT for the past 18 years.
it's easy to play oot now and say it's shit, but holy fuck at the time it was mindblowing. it cannot be overstated how mindblowing oot was. no console game had even came close, it was in a league of it's own.
to show an example, at the time I remember being amazed at how you could see all the way across hyrule field, and fog was instead used as an aesthetic choice and not a way to hide draw distance.
shit like that we take for granted, but at the time it was revolutionary.
>>345135609
>OOT is now of legal age
>>345151587
I know you're shitposting but I replay through the original LoZ at least twice a year, that shit's my jam. still fun as fuck imo, if you can get used to the weird controls.
doom came out before it, right?
that was better. I still love OoT but doom shits all over it.
>>345138337
i want her to tear my asshole anew.
>>345138035
One of the most impressive games in scope and ambition considering the resources they had at hand. The fact that no other game has attempted something close to the three-day system and manipulating NPC schedules is a fucking travesty.
Reminder to thank this man on your knees every day until Nintendo puts him back in a key role in the zelda team again.
>>345135609
Never played any N64 games. Never will solely because of the absolute garbage controller.
>>345135609
Cause there hasn't been a tech jump like the jump from 2D to 3D. It was great largely because it was such an early 3D title, really changing what games were like at the time.
OOT has aged terribly
>20 fps
>Blurry and ugly
>Hyrule Field is fucking tiny
>Dungeons are inferior to previous Zelda titles
Stop being blinded by nostalgia.
>>345155380
>>345155342
koizumi is now the deputy manager of nintendo, meaning he's the one who okays and denies projects from being brought into production.
we're in for some exciting times.
>>345135609
I remember this game fondly..comes out the year I graduate high school...get shitty part time job at Little Caeser's...come home from work every night to play OoT from Nov. to Dec...so many late nights exploring dungeons and solving puzzles..
>>345155530
>Dungeons are inferior to previous Zelda titles
no
>>345138035
Literally worse in every aspect. It's still incredible but it doesn't surpass OOT in any way. This is just the hipster contrarian answer with no real argument. Even the thing it's tauted for the most, atmosphere, is done better in OOT. MM focused solely on the impending doom atmosphere where OOT has a completely unique feeling to every single area.
>>345155530
I bet you think lttp is the pinnacle of dungeon design when it's all reflex shit.
>>345155380
just use an emulator ass hat
>>345155538
I want to actually hopefully emulate them in the future when I'm not getting salary-slaved. There are a ton in my backlog. Fuck the console and the controller though.
>>345155575
o rly? that's nice
>>345135609
Anon majoras mask came out the very next year
Ocarina of time is staple in video game history because it was the first game of its kind and for that alone it deserves some respect.
However many games have come along now to dethrone in terms of gameplay and story, I would argue windwaker is better for world building and story and thus it's my favorite with link to the past coming in a close second for nostalgic reasons alone.
Now in terms of other series. The prince of Persia sands of time is in my opinion the best game of all time.
>>345155678
Ocarina of time has no atmosphere.
>>345135609
Because the best game of all time came out 16 years ago, not 18.
>>345135609
LA and MM are both superior.
>>345138786
OOT's temples are boring as fuck for the most part. MM's temples are all leagues better than OOT's.
>>345145306
Agree
OoT is literally the second most overrated game of all time, just right before FF7
>>345135609
Because you live in your own little world where this is not a shit game.
>>345156048
It doesn't have as much atmosphere as the other 3D Zeldas, but for its time it was pretty mind-blowing.
Did you know if you get the Sun's Song at night, then it'll become sunrise (6:39 AM) in Kakariko. There's no music in Kakariko until around 9:00AM, so everything is all ambient and quiet. But if you get the Sun's Song during the day, it will become night, during Dampe's grave-digging tour.
The fishing pond's fish have different behaviors depending on the time of day you go to fish.
>>345155178
I'm not shitposting though. LoZ is the best Zelda game.
>>345138786
>All the temples in Majora are ass
First one's not amazing but easily crushes almost all first dungeons in the series. Snow and Canyon dungeons are good. The water one is admittedly more on the lame side.
>>345138035
This.
>>345138659
SR has never been good, retard.
>>345141948
>this is what majorafags actually think
>>345155678
>worse in every aspect. It's still incredible but it doesn't surpass OOT in any way
How about having way more detail and cool transformations and abilities to mess around with?
You have to retarded to think MM has nothing OoT doesn't.
It's a good game but it isn't the best game ever by a long shot. Please don't let nostalgia goggles obfuscate your judgement.
>>345135609
>tfw finally got my self to play OoT
It was completelyOkey.
Alright stuff, god awful camera, though I'm honestly wondering where the fuck the water temple meme came from?
It was far my favorite Dungeon. Motherfucking Back tracking temple was worse.
>>345138035
>>345143448
why are all the bosses in majora's maskGOAT?
>>345140292
>megaman games
jesus fucking christ
get some taste
>>345135609
>Majora's Mask
>Chrono Trigger/Cross
>Metroid Prime/Super Metroid
>Castlevania Symphony of the Night
All of them already surpassed OoT by a mile and aged much, much better. Try harder dear OP.
>>345154993
i understand people not liking the great bay temple, but the jungle, ice, and canyon temples are great, and some of the most inventive in the series, accompanied by great bosses/mini-bosses.
>>345138035
Anyone who don't agree with this has some obvious shit taste for videogames.
Majoras Mask
>better pacing
>better story
>better fast travel
>unique design (72h concept)
>more rewarding exploration
>better hub world
>better temples
>improved camera, yet far from being perfect
>NPCs have a point
>wallets much easier to acquire
>better ambience
>better antagonist
>better minigames
>>345152183
just because you don't like a controller doesn't mean it was bad
also n64 controller is amazing, the one bad thing about it is that the sticks wear easily
>game with unskippable cutscenes
>"best game ever"
How about no?
>>345155642
You certainly didn't play many Zelda games my dear child.
OoT has some of the worst, boring dungeons in the series. That's a fact. Shadow Temple and Water Temple said a big hello.
>>345155530
>20 fps
not noticeable at all, it's super stable
>blurry and ugly
subjective
>hyrule is tiny
subjective
>dungeons are inferior
subjective. come back with some arguments next time niggerfaggot.
>>345159361
>shadow temple and water temple
>bad
those are easily some of the most well-designed dungeons in the entire series.
and yes, I've played every one. I would say that ALttP on the whole has much better dungeon design, but OoT's dungeon design is far from bad and the worst in the series. that goes to Wind Waker.
>>345159441
>20fps not noticeable at all
HAAHHAAHHA
are you fucking blind?
>>345159441
>20 fps
>not noticeable at all
I feel terrible for you if you sincerely believe this
>>345159496
>shadow temple
>well designed
okay, there's really no point on keeping this discussion
>>345159441
>20 FPS isn't noticeable at all
Get a load of this guy.
>>345140292
>Mega Man X2
Stop right there criminal scum.
>>345159519
>>345159585
you niggers have probably not even played the game
for example dark souls 3 on my 144hz monitor feels worse than oot because it's so unstable with a lot of drops
also nice job not even countering any of my points. go to bed kiddos
>>345159216
I like it how you think because you DO like the controller it must be good!
>>345159441
How the flying fuck is tiny subjective? Relative=/=subjective.
Also check your eyes.
>>345159754
Boy, I have the original N64 cartridge. Don't you be lecturing me about who hasn't played the game.
20 FPS was underwhelming when the game came out, and it's unacceptable today. There's no excuse for such shoddy performance.
>>345159754
>dark souls
what's your point anyway? Pointing another game with shitty framerate performance to justify OoT don't has any noticeable problems in that regard? Really?
>>345159754
Man, it's time to stop posting. Your arguments are getting way worse.
>>345155530
>OOT has aged terribly
No it hasn't.
>20 fps
Play the GCN or Wii versions
>Blurry and ugly
Stop using RF
>Hyrule Field is fucking tiny
By today's standards, yes. But back then it was huge.
>Dungeons are inferior to previous Zelda titles
>Comparing 2D dungeon design to 3D dungeon design
Apples and oranges
>>345160212
>play the GCN or Wii versions
they're the fucking same 20fps game, your idiot
OoT3D runs slightly better at 30fps anyway
>>345159754
read the rules
18 to post here and shit
you should read that
>>345155380
>what is virtual console, emulators, and ports like gamecube zelda collector's edition
When will Link be a small african boy with a shield and spear, destined to take on the white aristocrat Ganon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4L1mUvzUQ
>>345155678
>It's still incredible but it doesn't surpass OOT in any way.
Sorry, but as someone who likes OoT over MM, this is blatantly false.
Majora's Mask has improved gameplay, slightly updated graphics, bosses can be rebattled, involved NPCs with more than one purpose, tons of great sidequests and optional things to do, more mini-games, etc.
>>345155530
Hyrule Field might be small by current standards, but it still feels huge because it's fucking empty and is painfully boring to cross.
>>345160518
Except for the white aristocrat part, an African tribal motif for a Zelda game could be pretty cool if handled properly
>>345135609
Shit game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTydXiIco4
>>345159754
oot was also rendered at QVGA-tier resolution (320x240). if any AAA game were to run at that resolution today, there would be heads on pikes but somehow 20fps is still okay today. people are fucking stupid.
>>345160857
What, you don't surely believe they'll make an African-themed Zelda with an Arabian Ganondorf.
It'll have to be Ganondorf dressed in white.
>>345160662
Honestly, this. As kid link the awe runs out fairly quickly when you realize that there's nothing to do but battle the same monster while trying to cross hyrule, and there's no secrets outside of the same tunnel under a breakable rock pasted all over the world. As adult link Epona takes for the lack of quick travel.
>>345138035
Majoras mask was good but I dont think I could ever redo it.
The whole time system really fucks my shit up.
>>345160514
The truth is: both original versions aged terribly. They're literaly unplayable right now unless you are some kind of hipster obsessed with clunky early years of 3D video games.
3DS versions are the best ones to date.
>>345161784
And even then, if you don't like squinting your eyes at 240p resolution, it's not even that good.
I dislike handheld gaming. Barely one step above mobile.
Bloodborne
>>345135609
>no level system
>good
lol
>>345162480
>lolposting
>good
t. lol
>>345141291
>Get the mirror shield.
>That brilliant, beautiful shine.
>Put it on.
>more like boring shield.
>>345141291
Why is there so much Islam in this game? It even had that Muslim chanting in that song before they took it out.
>>345162981
each temple is based off of a type of religion
>>345163404
can you enumerate them
I'm curious
>>345142416
>liking MM is the same as hating OoT
MM my favorite game, OoT is my second.
>>345138035
this desu
>>345135609
>>345138035
Now I personally like MM more, however OOT is still what I consider the most groundbreaking game of all time.
>MANY other titles shit the bed when it comes to doing 3d even remotely okay, let alone right
>OOT does it well enough that it's still mechanically IDENTICAL to modern adventure games (without fancy animations ect.)
>Z-targeting was INVENTED for this game
>Came up with fun new mechanics that could use 3d, none of them were shit
and I could keep going but I won't. MM was done better as it came after, but is less impressive in my book.
>>345164386
What is so impressive about Z-targeting again? It's just a lazy man's KBM control scheme. Casualizes the game beyond all reason by giving the player auto-aim, which gives him an unfair advantage against every enemy in the game.
>>345164386
I'd honestly say that SM64 is more ground-breaking, and the better game. but OOT was definitely up there for sure.
>>345138035
this
Doom is better than any Zelda game. The combat in Zelda is ass, no exceptions.
>>345164386
didn't mega-man legends do z targeting first?
>>345135609
it's not even the best N64 game.
>>345135609
>greatest vidya of all time
Not even the best Zelda game.
>>345165187
Technically, but you couldn't move while targeting someone. That was reserved for MML2.
>>345164664
It means you don't have to constantly fiddle with the camera while you play (think of how fun that would be to do on an n64)
>>345164808
Yeah, but the 3d platforming design that is used in SM64 isn't as widely used. OOT made the mold that third person adventure games are still made in.
>>345165187
Idk, I never had anything sega, first game I was exposed to with it.
>>345164664
Z-targeting allows the player to interact with 3D space while attached to a completely separate vector point. It altars every action you make, as subtle as a jump, because Link's distance from something changes.
The PS1 had a game called Cybertroopers that could imitate targeting in 3D space, but could only do left, right, up and down. They couldn't go around. OoT let's you track something anywhere, up, down, left, right; and on your terms with the feel of the stick.
As far as movement a PC game can't do this because you lack a stick. You only 8 directions for input on a PC. And as far as aiming when it comes to flying enemies, if you were locked on and it flew over you in a FPS like you're suggesting (I know that's what you mean so don't even think of trying to change the goal post), then you would eventually not be able to do it because the character's back would snap. It only works in 3D games, and back in OoT's day that was only possible on N64, hardware-generated 3D that is.
>>345140292
You had me going until
>Final Fantasy 8
This instantly let me know your post was bait
>>345150991
9 is on the list though.
Metal Gear Solid 3
>>345161702
The Three day system seemed barable doing a redo once you get used to it the first playthrough. Wasn't really that fast and gave enough to get a dungeon finished with time to spare before resetting it. If all else really felt unsettling, just slow down the flow of time with reverse song of time.
>>345169289
You can play through the entire game in one cycle with time to spare. I've done it.
>20 fps
It displays at 20 fps, but it registers inputs and computes logic at 60 fps. 20fps is fine for visuals, the main problem is that it introduces lag in the controls making the game less responsive.
Obviously a higher visual frame-rate would be better, but OoT does have a clever workaround to allow the game to apply well despite the frame-rate.
ALttP still hasn't been dethroned as best Zelda.
ALttP > WW > Oracles > Minish Cap > OoT > MM > TP
>>345162981
They probably just thought the crescent symbol looked cool. Shame it's associated with Islam t.b.h.
>>345171169
>durr i legitimately think handheld shit is better than console games
Pls seppuku
>>345171169
>2D Zeldas
>not complete shit
Ocarina of Time is the Sgt Pepper of games.
Massively overrated.
>>345169896
Source on how? Because unless I am missing something, it is impossible to do the entire game within a single cycle during a first playthrough. Especially since a lot of areas and key items are time locked to certain days that can be missed while completing another areas.
>>345135609
>Not Windwaker
>having shit opinions
Troll harder, fampi
>>345158638
>Not recognizing Megaman 2 as one of the best games of all time
Despicable
>>345141207
It really is
>>345151615
>I am an autistic loser with an opinion and if you don't agree with me you're not a gamer
>>345159441
>Every criticism is subjective but my opinion is flawless and objective!
>>345135609
not even the best game the year it came out
also, worst 3d zelda
>>345138337
but he's right
w3 might have shit combat, but so does oot
>>345160518
>clothes
So this is set in 1980?
>>345135609
In my little experience with it, it's not that good. Better 3rd person action adventure games have been made since then, like Ninja Gaiden Black.
>>345161098
>we can't have Ganondorf be the race of a group of people who have enslaved Africans for longer than anyone else, let's make him the race of the people who gave them civilisation instead
>>345174132
It's going to happen.
>>345154993
>Litera;;y only the last dungeon is good
Stone tower is objectively the worst temple though, this is why people don't like oot, it isn't engaging in the slightest, it's just a time killer, you like shit that does nothing but kill time.
I have yet to meet a single person who that that oot's plot was interesting or engaging. I don't know anyone who doesn't dread walking through hyrule field. Almost every temple in oot is a chore to get through, just like the entire game. The point of oot is to have you just engaged enough in an activity to not get bored of it, but not engaged enough so that you have to think about it in the slightest, some people don't want that in game, and I don't understand how such monotony can inspire anything emotional aside from nostalgia.
>>345138035
It would've completely dethroned if it had more dungeons. But because it doesn't, I put it on-par with OoT.
>>345164386
I don't know, MM's time concept still remains completely unique to this day, while numerous other games copied OoT's game mechanic's
It's 2016 and there's still nothing like it today. Nothing that comes remotely close in terms of time mechanics or overall experience.
>>345135609
I don't really see how people can hype this up so much. I know that, at the time, this was the game that perfected 3D as a whole (Super Mario 64 as well) and shaped out the genre and the entire industry behind it. A lot of games came out trying to mimic OoT's style just because it did its job so well.
I feel like ALttP was the first start in dungeon design that consisted of long hallways leading to the next room one after the other. They weren't labyrinths as much as they were in the previous games. The overworld of ALttP was still a bit varied. Several tools and upgrades could be found by just running around the overworld and I thought that was really neat and awesome.
OoT kind of stepped back from that and ran with a journey that was half of a railway. Of course, you could do the Adult Temples out of complete order if you: got the Longshot and the Bow.
The Child segments were displaced after you became an Adult. They were useless aside from the one time you need to enter the Well and the one time to do the first half of the Spirit Temple (which is by far the best temple). Of course, it doesn't make the other temples bad. I think it would have been better design to incorporate the use of Child and Adult Link to get through each temple, so it didn't feel like such a chore to switch between the two.
The overworld was kind of a mess. It was nice to traverse this open world, but the enemies were sparse and there was no reason to explore unless it was for Heart Pieces. The hidden tools were foundbehind side-quests, so that was a neat change of pace. The overworld could have used some more incentive found in it to make it more worthwhile though. Like, I truly felt that part was the most boring part. It was magical to me as a kid, but looking back on it, I can barely stand it.
Overall, it's nice, but the remakes that came to follow could have taken it to new heights. Instead, it shat on it by removing its atomsphere.
>>345172080
Not that anon, it depends on if you count the cycle where you are stuck as a scrub as a true cycle; you can't skip that cycle at all.
Speedrunners can complete the game during the second cycle, but I think it requires several glitches, the fastest time you can go glitchless (technically, it requires several sequence breaks) is 2 extra days. I don't know if playing the game with 'intended' strats would take an extra 2 days or 3.
https://www.speedrun.com/mm/guide/2fn0w
Does anyone have the one image comparing Tim B^Uckley's painting of Link to another one showing the blatant plagiarism?
>>345135609
There is not a single 3d zelda that is better than even the worst 2d zeldas. 3d zelda is shit.
>>345157696
>liking snowpoint
>>345144712
t. kid who only started playing video games in gen7
>>345174132
>longer than anyone else
Wew
>>345151207
>Trusting GAMESPOT
>>345177359
>>345135609
>le OOT is the best game ever
When will this meme end?
>>345178639
that doesn't really show plagiarism, so much as it shows he is objectively terrible at drawing.
Seriously, I unironically enjoy the anime deviant art style usually, but there isn't an aspect of that drawing that looks good.
>>345135609
Why are bait threads allowed to exist?
>>345151207
>>345166550
At least someone can see the truth.
>>345177187
>OoT kind of stepped back from that and ran with a journey that was half of a railway.
No it didn't, OoT is every bit as non linear as LttP and them some.
>if you: got the Longshot and the Bow
You don't even need the bow to do the fire temple or get the longshot.
OoT's overworld is more varied than LttP's and has more stuff in it, in both quantity and variety.
>removing its atmosphere
Atmosphere wise it blows the rest of the industry out of the water completely.
>>345179905
>You don't even need the bow to do the fire temple or get the longshot.
Not that guy, (I can't play lttp without getting enraged or bored out of my mind) but while this is true, the fact that the game blatantly tells you where to go with navi at the very least means that it is incredibly unlikely that people realize that they have any choice in the dungeon order. The only temples I have ever heard being regularly played out of order (on a first playthrough) are the shadow and spirit temples. I've heard of jabu & cavern being switched a few times too, but thats more rare.
>>345135609
I grew up with Ocarina of Time. Seriously my parents got me an N64 the Christmas of 98 with Ocarina of Time, Banjo Kazooie, & Mario 64.
I fell deeply in love and thanks to the curse of nostalgia, it's been my favorite game of all time, up until late year that is. Honestly, The Witcher 3 beat it for me. In fact wondering the world of The Witcher 3 gives me that same awe-inspiring feeling that Ocarina of Time gave to me as a kid.
>>345181112
also I'm 22 if anyone cares to call me underaged trash.
Twilight Princess was better.
Don't even bother to respond, there's no argument to be made.
>>345181312
Yeah I like that one better. Dont really get the hate it gets, the Yeti mansion is great.
>>345138035
that's an interesting opinion you have there.
>>345135609
>not ONE video game has come close
I'll accept its a GOAT but this is retardo
>>345181573
mhm, the fact that your opinion is communicated through a shitty image definitely proves your point.
>>345181312
the entire plot of Twilight Princess is being the errand bitch boy to a naked domineering midget bitch and sometimes you play as a disney-tier furry dog with braindead boring gameplay mechanics.
the character design was also disgusting.
You've just got straight up mental problems if you thought TP was a good game.
>eighteen years
>eighteen years
>and on the eighteenth birthday he found out it wasn't his
>>345166550
We're talking about games not movies.
>>345181798
yeah man i know hard cold numbers are really difficult to work with what with there being 10 different symbols for all the numbers and then they can further be combined into bigger numbers like wow it gets really confusing sometimes why can't we all just get our assholes fingered for an hour a day in class instead of learning this math bullshit it's so lame
>>345181808
the entire plot of Ocarina of Time is being the errand bitch boy to a grating annoying fairy slut and sometimes you play as a shota-child with braindead boring mechanics.
the character design was also low poly.
You've just got straight up mental problems if you thought OoT was a good game.
>>345182009
wew nice meme ur so clever even if the only factual thing you said was "low poly".
>>345166152
>>345166047
Still, it's aged terribly and at the end of the day I want KBM controls if I'm gonna play a zelda-like.
>>345162480
>leveling
>good
nice job
>>345182153
I'll take retard strength currenerruc any day.
>>345181808
>the character design was also disgusting.
The only good character designs in OT are Darunia and Ganon tho.
>>345181808
>I woke up in a field hospital and they were sewing my feet to my knees
>>345182475
>>345182475
>JewGanon
>good design
>>345180558
>the fact that the game blatantly tells you where to go with navi at the very least means that it is incredibly unlikely that people realize that they have any choice in the dungeon order
I don't actually disagree with this at all an consider it one of the game's biggest problems. Navi's voice being annoying is a total meme, but her indicator popping up and telling you to go to a specific place if you deviate from the normal path is supremely stupid and goes against the design of the rest of the game.
>>345156008
>first game of its kind
That kind being??
>>345142902
But i hate OoT and i love MM...
What do?
>>345183176
That means you're a hipster
>>345181808
>head to body ratio is 1:1
>arm to body ratio is 1:1
>hand to arm ratio is 1:1
>those legs
You can clearly tell exactly where everything went wrong but nonetheless, "Where did everything go so wrong?"
dumb console fags cant even appreciate true quality.
>>345182008
The reason why your post is stupid is because there is no reason for it to be an image other than for to seem more authoritative.
The statistics about how many copies it sold in europe are painfully fucking irrelevant. All you needed was 'MM sold around half as well as OOT' which you repeated in your picture.
Your argument itself is shit because even to the extent that anyone would actually agree with quality being measured by the masses, units sold is a function of publicity and accessibility, publicity obviously correlates with popularity, but there are other factors. Avatar was the highest grossing film of all time. If someone told me Avatar was their favorite movie I'd either conclude that they haven't seen very many movies or that they don't have a soul.
The statistics which are most relevant to your argument (90% of people who play oot love it where only 50% of MM players love it) are pulled straight out of your ass, and still has the obvious bias of accessibility scewing the sample in favor of oot (people who don't play too many games won't have as high a bar for what their favorite is by default).
Your post was just fucking stupid.
>>345183458
1. you've got debilitating autism.
2.
> (90% of people who play oot love it where only 50% of MM players love it) are pulled straight out of your ass
this is literally the truth though.
>>345159216
The N64 controller is objectively bad. Controls in 3D Zeldas didn't get fluid until Wind Waker since the series didn't have to design itself around a shitty analog stick and could use the second analog for camera control.
You cannot tell me that Ocarina of Time would not be improved through the addition of second-analog camera controls.
It's impressive that Nintendo was able to somewhat work around that limitation through the use of Z-targeting to manipulate the camera, but it's still a very clunky way to manipulate the camera and a second analog for camera control is a direct upgrade.
Is there anyone else that likes PH? repeating the dungeon again and again is kinda pointless but I kinda liked the suspense going deeper underground
>>345171169
fuck off Arin Hanson
>>345135609
Come on, I think we all know what the best Zelda game REALLY is.
>>345183659
>you've got debilitating autism
>he says after writing a two line meme post because he couldn't communicate well
>>345183680
You didn't need to Z-target to manipulate that camera considering they had the foresight and knowhow to implement an extremely functional auto-camera that was contextually sensitive enough to not place itself behind walls or forget to smoothly focus towards the direction the player was making Link face.
a game isn't finished unless it has an exceptional automatic camera feature and giving direct control over the camera is really ineffective at establishing an encompassing atmosphere for the player when they literally have to worry about the meta of fucking with the controller.
>>345183686
Yeah I liked it. Its really not that bad.
>>345184042
Oh fucking please. Camera management is okay for a gameplay mechanic.
No, it's not too "meta." Observation and choosing to focus your awareness towards a specific direction is fair. It's okay in third person games, it's okay in first person games.
>>345140292
VANQUISH PC PORT WHEN
Ay i was giving you a tip but if you don't want to take it then feel free to leave it for someone else.
There's a point where direct 1:1 camera control given to the player makes every game that utilizes such basic and thoughtless rudimentary camera programming end up looking like some Unreal Championship mod.
You've got shit taste in games buddy.
It's called nostalgia.
>>345182913
>goes against the design of the rest of the game.
I don't really think that that is true, I don't consider oot a game about exploration in choices. Exploration of a world/story maybe, but I wouldn't even consider the choice of which dungeon you go to first to be particularly liberating, even if I knew I had it. Navi also isn't by any means the only character who tells the player what to do.
Take a dungeon for instance, you are generally forced to go to most rooms of a dungeon to complete it, and the dungeons themselves tend to be incredibly linear.
I never felt like I was really exploring in OoT, but I think that's because I was never interested in the world. The time where I can most remember feeling a sense of exploration was in metroid prime, which achieved it by making the worlds fucking beautiful and forcing backtraking, but was a fairly routed game otherwise.
>>345155342
i aspire to be like this guy
If you Zeldabros want puzzles you can buy them here for $10 by using code ZELDA.. I kinda want the Wind Waker ones but I'm not gonna sell plasma to get it since that's how poor I am.
https://chaosgamesandentertainment.com/collections/puzzles/license_the-legend-of-zelda
>>345138035
>muh atmosphere
No. Fuck off.
>>345183686
PH is better than all the Zeldas since it.
>>345138141
>one of the worst years of the 2010s
Bullshit, name 4 better years
>>345184042
>You didn't need to Z-target to manipulate that camera considering they had the foresight and knowhow to implement an extremely functional auto-camera that was contextually sensitive enough to not place itself behind walls or forget to smoothly focus towards the direction the player was making Link face.
That's great, how does turning around in a tense action sequence work out for you? What's that? The camera takes a while to reposition itself if you do that and you might get fucked over in the meantime? Well gee, that wouldn't be a problem if you could freely manipulate the camera.
Using Z-targeting to turn the camera around can be disorienting due to how Z-targeting creates letterboxing and focuses the camera at a specific angle relative to the Y-axis. What isn't disorienting is the freedom to move the camera.
>a game isn't finished unless it has an exceptional automatic camera feature and giving direct control over the camera is really ineffective at establishing an encompassing atmosphere for the player
Fuck you. The game designer does not know better than the fucking player. The game designer isn't the one paying money to play the game. The game designer is not the audience.
Giving the player direct control over the camera is what a responsible developer does, because it allows the player to position the camera exactly where they want it for how it best works for them.
>>345155342
>The fact that no other game has attempted something close to the three-day system and manipulating NPC schedules is a fucking travesty.
Lightning Returns tried this but people didn't like it. Admittedly the execution could have used some work though.
>>345189595
Holy shit, why does that anon think that following NPCs' schedules is "fun"? If anything it's the opposite of fun. It's micromanagement "worksim" garbage
>>345155342
>The fact that no other game has attempted something close to the three-day system and manipulating NPC schedules is a fucking travesty.
Shenmue did everything Majora's Mask tried to do, did it better, and did more. It also did it a year before Majora's Mask.
Ultima V had NPC schedules and time passage in fucking 1988, 12 years before Majora's Mask. It also did them on far inferior hardware. It's far more ambitious and has a far larger scope than Majora's Mask.
>>345155342
>story writer
>made Super Mario 3D Land, an absolute travesty of a game
Why should I thank a man that has brought nothing but cancer?
