You have 10 seconds to name a video game character who had schemes as good as Kain.
And what was Kain's scheme? Hoping that Raziel doesn't go sambo on the vampo, because he was the one who turned him into a vampire and then casted him in eternal suffering.
>>345132479
C&C, Kane.
Easy.
literally WHO
>Forgetting about the best Kane
We are of course ignoring the bullshit that was Tiberium Twilight.
>>345132768
My male of Nubian descent
>>345132630
DELETE THIS
>>345132701
>He doesn't know
Literally everything that happens to Raziel and everything that happens from Kain refyusing the sacrifice onwards is part of a grand plot involving time loops and paradoxes in order to save the world.
>>345132768
>>345132815
>Kain died on his way to his home planet
>Be an ayy lmao, immortal, and have access to time travel
>Still can't unify the globe before the bad aliums arrive
Even Yuri did a better job.
>>345133002
Nigga I played the damn game. There was a lot of HOPING in Kain's plan.
>>345133002
>Daring to compare Yuri to the prophet Kane
YOU CANT KILL THE MESSIAH!
PEACE THROUGH POWER GDI DOG!
>>345133002
>he thinks Kane's plan was to unify humans
Kane is truly a master strategist
Nigga he just wanted to fuck off from Earth, presumably home, which he did in C&C 4, made some guy open a portal and was gone.
>>345133123
>>345133002
You are both right, I think. Kain knew what to do up to a specific point, thanks to the time machine, and planned all that he could. Then things got muddy, people started to interfere to change Raziel's destiny, and he could just hope that Raziel saw reason and actually followed his steps.
His death at the end of Defiance hit him hard all the same.
Euzeth Gozzo may be the greatest schemer in game history, shame he's fro a super niche series, at lease in the west.
>>345133002
He refused the sacrifice because he indeed saw there was an illusion of choice and, well, he's a dick.
He didn't wanted to die in sacrifice either. But killing himself would just leave things at the mercy of Destiny again.
Pre-Twilight Princess Ganondorf was pretty cunning.
>>345133951
He was right not to leave things to destiny, because he knew that his destiny had already been fucked up by the pillars being corrupted at his birth. If he sacrificed himself the world would be doomed and nobody would be able to do shit abut it because he was the only one with the knowledge and ability to set things right.
>>345133123
Even if he saw the time streams, they were chaotic and changed with every step. Also the mere presence of Raziel was already a big fuckup in the reality.
Raziel had to rebel against Destiny too to work anything out.
>>345134168
>Raziel having any free will
He was literally caught in a time loop the entire time. The very fact the Soul Reaver existed meant he was fucked from day 1.
>>345134160
Also he was immortal and a vampire. And a badass vampire that could rule Nosgoth in the meantime.
YES he did fuck up Nosgoth anyways. Clogging the Wheel of Life and spawning dick ass sons but it was going to happen anyways.
Was he a tyrant? yes, he was already dickish too. Everything points at it.
What i LOVED about Soul Reaver saga is how every character is morally gray as fuck. Even Raziel with his self righteousness, he's still taking bloody vengeance against everyone.
>>345132479
VTMB, Caine.
I still don't even fully understand her motives.
>>345134523
>Cab driver who does fucking nothing all game
>>345134343
>>345134343
He HAD to take a choice in the end, though.
If he didn't sacrificed himself into the Soul Reaver Kain held, no God Killing weapon could exist and Kain would have never seen the Elder God.
Raziel COULD HAVE just walked away.
>>345133002
If Raziel is the only one with a real choice, why is Kain the one who seems to make all the actual decisions? Even as a player you're only ever given an option when you're Kain.
>>345134528
Weeb shit
It doesn't make any fucking sense
>>345132630
>yfw he actually schemed all that to let kain kill him with the reaver and ascend into an even more godlike form
>>345134940
Because every Kain decision or action doesn't punch an Elder God in the face.
But Kain's actions were to make Raziel look into it and do the ultimate sacrifice.
It's like pottery.
>>345134528
I still don't even fully understand this entire game.
>>345134802
>could have walked away
Not really, at the end of Defiance Raziel was being imprisoned by the Elder God. Mobius' corpse laying there provided him an escape but he also knew what he had to do in order to set things right. I.E. become the purifying soul to allow Kain to be the Scion of Balance. But you're right, Raizel could have just stayed imprisoned there for all eternity, but we all know how much Raiziel loves fucking with the Elder God.
>tfw every time you wing the Reaver in Blood Omen 1 it's actually Raziel screaming
>>345132479
I think hisalternate human selfhad good schemes too. Pity he exaggerated in the end and had to be stopped.Really, though, I love Loghain also because he looks like what human Kain could have been, had he lived longer and in a different world
>>345135953
>tfw you chose Loghain's side immediately because of his VA
>>345132479
>>345132630
ouch
get fucked Kain
EVERYTHING that has transpired has done so according to his design.
>>345137550
>got defeated by teddy bears
>>345137550
>Implying
>>345137309
Wasn't there some grand keikaku shit going on in EYE?
