999 should have been left alone
VLR and ZTD were terrible sequels. Absolute nonsensical and garbage twists. SHIFTing should have never been introduced.
The sequel to 999 should have been about Junpei trying to find Akane with the same artstyle as 999.
Fuck.
ZTD was horrible. Those twists are just lazy.
>>345130136Woogity woogity woogity woogity
MIND HACK
>>345130136
>Absolute nonsensical and garbage twists
So just like 999?
>>345130849
No
Akane = Zero was a great twist
There weren't so many nonsensical garbage like SHIFTing, MINDHACK, ALIEN TRANSPORTER.
>>345130849
the only twists present in 999 were within the realm of belief
VLR involved almost an entire hour of the characters trying to get you to buy all the shit like "oh we're actually on the moon, you're actually a 45 year older version of yourself, you're 45 years in the future. Radical-6, DIO is a clone. etc. etc. etc.
ZTD had alien transporters and complex motives
>>345130136
I think that the problem with VLR aside from shitty visuals is that it made the scale of Zero Escape bigger than it had any right to be. 999 is self-contained, has one focus on mystery and ends without cliffhanger bait. VLR has great moments but no focus and too many ideas. If VLR was self-contained and only had references too 999 it would've been fine. VLR's end should've been the prologue to ZTD.
>>345131278
>being mind connected to a person in the past the entire game in order to prevent said person who is also very much alive in your time from being burned alive in a secret mind experiment to try to get a man that can't see faces to see faces is completely believable
>>345130136
you're not wrong
>>345131441
>shitty visuals
Just because you played it on 3DS doesn't mean the visuals are bad. It's certainly not any worse than 999
Dude guess who was there in front of you all along lmao
COMPLEX MOTIVES
>>345130136
So it sounds like you're miffed about the writing, but what do you think about the gameplay?
>>345132064
The puzzles had improved
But fuck that Alien Transporter puzzle
Also puzzles are like 20% of each game.
>>345130136
So if I only ever played 999 should I even bother with the sequels? I got books I could read instead.
just recently beat the trilogy, and 999 was an amazing game, but had some inconsistencies.
>why did seven,snake, and Aoi remember seeing Akane burn, if she never died?
Junpei literally asks that question right before the run into Alice.
VLR was a way better game. IMO
ZTD was the weakest of the three
>>345132142
I know, and it makes me sad. I'm not very good at them, but I do enjoy puzzles, and 999 had some decent ones.
>>345132064
ZTD had some good escape rooms but several of them suffered from reused puzzle archetypes. The one where you have to rotate and jam pieces into the box was reused at least 3 times. I think VLR had the greatest escape rooms since they made you go the extra step if you wanted the developer commentary safe. I can't say much about 999 since my memory of those puzzles were hazy, but I recall them being the easiest of the series.
>>345130136
Why do you fucking make so many threads hating on the other 2 games? This is how I know how to spot a simple minded Nintendo fanboy. I played both 999 and VLR back to back, and VLR was much better all around, gameplay included. ZE3 just went full dark, the only flaw I find is the animations are a bit weird, otherwise the game is fantastic.
>>345132402
>why did seven,snake, and Aoi remember seeing Akane burn, if she never died?
The mophogenetic field?
>>345131016
>Not so many
>ALICE was pointless and drawn out
>Morphogenic field bullshit
WAHHH WHY ARE THEY SHIFTING?!
>>345132660
No thats BS. Seven should have never seen Akane Burn, since she literally fucking got saved. Only Snake and Aoi have access to the field, and even then...
>>345132550
999 had awful puzzles.
>>345132607
How the fuck VLR is the better game?
Artstyle is fucking horrible
It manages to look worse than a DS game
Puzzles are better but no fucking way story is improved in VLR
999 had a creepy atmosphere
>>345130136
I just realized their hands are cropped from the DEAD cutscenes that trigger every time they have to activate the thing. Kind of lazy.
>>345132805
With ZTD we see that a large gathering of espers could awaken some power for non-espers. It's totally plausible. The only other explanation is that akane let them in on her keikakku.
Seven lying is such a hack
VLR was good, what killed ZTD was COMPLEX MOTIVES
>implying VLR isn't the best ZE game
Kill yourself dude, 999 was honestly nothing special. The fact that you can play the other two games without touching 999 should prove it.
>>345130136
I'm getting into ZE and I ordered 999 through the mail. Did I make a mistake?
Friendly reminder for every dumbass comparing 999 to the other 2 in this thread
999 was originally created as standalone. because of its reception he then later decided to create a trilogy, that's why VLR has so many cliffhangers.
Ended up selling like shit, It's a miracle ZTD even was made, and they ended up blowing msot of the money on the voice acting and cutscenes.
>>345133364
999 being standalone has nothing to do with how good or bad it is. Why is /v/ so devastatingly retarded.
>>345132378
Books? What?
>>345131278
>oh we're actually on the moon, you're actually a 45 year older version of yourself, you're 45 years in the future. Radical-6, DIO is a clone. etc. etc. etc.
They were all explained and had perfect explanations
>>345134093
You know? Books? Those things that are mostly words? You're in a thread for something very similar after all.
>>345133475
What? No.
>>345132850
>Artstyle is fucking horrible
hmmm sweet high QUALITY sprites with seamless animations
>>345134462
Man I really miss the sprites. I could never get used to the ugly 3D models
>>345134462
even when I played 999 for the first time I was jarred at the shitty sprites.
Don't know what people like about them. They're poorly made and have choppy, shitty animations.
>>345132550
I had a lot more fun with the puzzles in ZTD, the ones in 999 were fucking terrible.
What are some other games that mix a nice story with puzzles?
Professor Layton, maybe?
>>345135559
Reading a book while playing tetris. Nothing is more hardcore.
>>345134831
I liked them.
>>345135789
The fast speed I read at coupled with how dumb I am with puzzles can only lead to my suffering.
>>345134831
Yeah, I have the impression that 999 fans don't play many VN or japanese games so they are easily impressed.
Also the reason why it attracs so many people that hate "japanese aesthetics" of other games
>>345135995git gud
I loved 999, but didn't much care for VLR. Felt like the writing took a huge dip in quality.
ZTD has complex motives.
Not surprised you dumbfucks can't understand it
>like ztd, thought the ending was a little silly but not much more than the others
>go to /v/
>SERIES RUINED BY COMPLEX MOTIVES AND MINDHACC 0/10 ENTIRE SERIES RETROACTIVELY RUINED FOREVER
why do I keep coming back to this shithole
>>345134572
its pretty good 3d models for a VN.
Look at Dual Destinies to see the shit you'd usually get
Dropping by and then immediately running away to avoid spoilers.
ZTD is pretty much exactly what I expected. Being forced to see so many bad ends to unlock more fragments really kills any meaning behind the deaths, especially when you just select another and they're fine.
3 endings obtained so far, about to get the rest I guess. Just 2 fragments left in D team.
I really hope the ending isn't as botched as i've been hearing.
>>345132805
>>345132660
>>345132402
Anon you gigantic dolt
Seven and Santa were in cahoots with Akane.
They were lying to you, he was pretending to have a headache to confuse you!
>Trying to play ZTD
>Keep getting stuck on puzzles
>Keep shifting around trying to find puzzles I can figure out on my own
>Want to progress the story but don't want to fucking ruin the game.
>>345137120
It gets good when they start the SHIFTing shenanigans, but yea the deaths themselves don't carry any weight.
So in 999 they could access the morphogenetic feild to transmit and receive information; and in VLR they can just SHIFT or JUMP or whatever by transferring their consciousness into another timeline and switching them. Is there ever any actual proof these two are different things? Wouldn't it make more sense if everyone thought shifting killed the them in the other timeline, but what if they just transmit all their memories into another timeline and that version of themselves thinks they shifted - when they are just the same person with the memories of another timeline?
>>345138030
transmitting and receiving information is what shifting is, except you're doing it to yourself and you're sending your entire consciousness.
I'm pretty sure Uchi was going to explain in ZTD that shifting is basically the same shit as the alien transporters.
Do any of you guys have Complex Motives in life?
>>345130136
I disagree. I thought the twists in VLR were fun. While I enjoyed ZTD, it missed a lot of things and some things were just stupid.
But what is now written can't be unwritten.
>>345130136
Blame the people who begged for a sequel
>>345132402
They lied.
>>345134093
The 999 novels. Duh.
>>345140174
There 999 books?
>>345137576
I think that's the point and I love it that way. It gives the impression of you travelling through all these timelines, seeing all these deaths, trying to find the one timeline where they don't happen. You just get weary of it
>>345140691
Ya they are both mentioned on Wikipedia.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%A5%B5%E9%99%90%E8%84%B1%E5%87%BA-9%E6%99%82%E9%96%939%E4%BA%BA9%E3%81%AE%E6%89%89-%E3%82%AA%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%83%8A-%E4%B8%8A-%E8%AC%9B%E8%AB%87%E7%A4%BEBOX/dp/4062837366/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1468620453&sr=8-14&keywords=%E6%A5%B5%E9%99%90%E8%84%B1%E5%87%BA+9%E6%99%82%E9%96%939%E4%BA%BA9%E3%81%AE%E6%89%89
I will now proceed to explain the rules of our next Decision Geimu
You have 20 seconds to come up with a better and less cringe-inducing name for MIND HACKS
>>345141783
>MIND HACKS
Probing
>>345141783
Telepathy?
>>345141783
Morphic Resonance Control.
>>345141783
Mental manipulation
Is there no built-in help/hint system in ZTD?
I'm fucking getting destroyed by these puzzles
>>345142989
>ZTD Puzzles
>hard
>>345141783
morphogenetic molding
>>345141783
Mind alteration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_state_of_consciousness
Or at least something like "Unconscious Influence" or something not as jarring. Really, it didn't even need a name if they were just going to resort to calling it Mind Hacking.
>>345141783
The power to [Game] people
>>345134227
Yeah you not noticing you are older and weaker due to gravity because of magical time-slowing virus, and also not noticing your voice changed are all perfectly valid explanations.
>>345130136
I loved the whole series, but 999 is definitely the best and they should have stuck with the artstyle. 3D was a mistake, but I'm not against the sequels and I think all three games are terrific games
>>345143097
It's not that hard, it's just I manage to miss really obvious shit
I'm in the robot room right now and can't figure out what to do after turning the power on
VLR is my favorite game
>>345131278
How is morphogenetic field within the realm of belief? I understand the other two are a bit more "out there" but you had to realize shit was whack by the end of 999
>>345142989
but they are so much easier then the previous two
dont tell me you started with the third game?
>>345143749
When a world is built with certain rules, it doesn't really matter how outlandish those rules are as long as they are followed.
In 999 the concept of the morphogenetic field was actually built up throughout the whole game via puzzles and dialogue. By the time you actually get to the end and realise that you are using the field to remember information from other timelines it's a huge revelation.
By contrast, MIND HACK is introduced in the last act of the game with no real foreshadowing other than 'it felt like I wasn't making that decision!' which 99% of fans attributed to Blick Winkel anyhow.
Also the idea of 'EVERYONE CAN SHIFT WHEN ENOUGH SHIFTERS GET TOGETHER!' wasn't introduced or foreshadowed enough either. It was just hastily thrown in to have an ending.
>999 should have been left alone
So finally someone agrees.
999 was great. VLR and ZTD were both so, so stupid. And this is coming from an Ever17 fan.
VLR at least had some fun puzzles, with additional gameplay. And I will say that the skipping around system was done better than 999's standard VN-style "skip through everything you've already read before."
But ZTD? It looked like shit, it ran like shit. The twists were shit. The puzzles were shit. It was shit.
someone post
you are like a little baby
watch this: MINDHACCCC
>>345144190
>EVERYONE CAN SHIFT WHEN ENOUGH SHIFTERS GET TOGETHER!' wasn't introduced or foreshadowed enough either.
Worked for junpei, sigma, and phi.
I couldn't stop laughing when Delta said he can Mindhack
I was legit in tears
What the fuck were they thinking?
>>345144387
>>345141783
I like the name. It's ridiculous, like the rest of the series. The whole thing is just a shortbus ride to crazyville and MIND HACKS is just part of the ride
Guys, fuck. I just bought VLR, did I make a mistake?
>>345145142
No, VLR is good.
>999 has problems like repeating puzzles and characters randomly going into deep exposition when they're in a timed scenario involving their potential death. ending is a bit goofy, the hardest part being a sudoku puzzle.
999 still had great characters, great character designs, good level design that made you feel like you knew where you were. great atmosphere.
>VLR had shit character designs, inconsistent characters due to the branching pathways involving ally or betray. going 3d was a terrible decisions. generally shitty and unsatisfying puzzles as well.
VLR still had great character endings and twists and the branching pathways were utilized in a good way, but the ending and how convoluted it gets makes it retarded. I really have no interest in trying to play more ZTD because of how convoluted it has gotten.
>>345144615
They messed up when they went from morphogenetic field stuff (which was presented in an awesome way) and now it's just magical abilities.
It would have been nice if they just said "inside the field we can see our other selves, what we could have been, and are able to posses those possibilites" instead of SHIFTing and "manupulating those possibilities in this reality" instead of MIND HACKing or something of that sort
Or maybe just not do SHIFTing and MIND HACKing at all
>when the final mastermind of your series is now just meme material
>>345145142
I liked VLR more than I liked 999. I thought the nonary game was handled better than the first.
>>345145276
His memes are top notch tho
>>345145142
VLR is the best in the series and has best girl, don't worry
>>345145276
Skull Face was cool tho
>>345145208
ZTD really hasn't gotten any crazier. The only thing that gets a little long winded is Phi's origin.
>>345145712
don't post the official artwork anon, you might trick new players that VLR is actually going to look good instead of being 3d and shitty.
>>345145862
Thankfully her model still looks good, at least compared to the others which isn't saying much.
VLR is way better than 999 fag
>>345132378
>>345130136
>there was nothing deeper to the mummy subplot
>Alice was just an Egyptian slut who was in the desert after the 999 crew had spent 9 hours learning about All-Ice
>>345147359
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
>>345130136
I wouldn't say the sequels were bad.
999 was the best for sure, VLR and ZTD were still great, but just not on par with the first game.
For an example, the sequels' realistic factors in terms of character interactions felt less authentic, such as how a character wouldn't question someone else in a smart way at crucial times.
Is it worth paying 20€ for 999 or should I just emulate?
>>345148496
emulate.
VLR > ZTD > 999
Nothing in 999 beats SHIFTing shenanigans with the absolute madman Carlos + D-team feels/banter/chemistry + those endings that lead up to VLR.
>>345148675
is there much to do on the touchscreen and does it work well on the emulator?
>>345148923
Barely any functionality needed. I emulated it just fine.
>>345148827
>Bunny
>Not top tier
>tfw Ever17 master race
Feels good, man.
>>345148827
>mediocre tier
>snake
>>345149320
Ever17 is 90% garbage sandwitches though.
>>345130136
VLR was great, ZTD was still somewhat good except for the last 10 minutes.
>>345149513
It really isn't. And even if it was, at least it tied up its loose ends in a satisfying way.
>>345132378
Yes. I think the sequels are actually better than the first.
>>345147359
This was disappointing, just because everything else was so out there. But I guess >>345147683 has a point.
>>345149320
Drunk Akiha gets me hard.
>>345149513
Don't remind me.
>Who wants to play KICK THE CAN?
>>345149379
>Gone for 2/3 of the game
>The only thing he does well is badly written bullshit since he should have died after a single bullet touched him with that shitty build.
>Better than mediocre.
>>345149320
ever 17 was the first VN I played, and I never enjoyed a VN as much since ;_;
>>345149624
Only good moments are the Kick the can, Tsugumi's ending, Coco's mindfucking twist and the relationship between Tsugumi and the kids.
The rest was buildup or just pure shit.
>>345149773
Nostalgiacuck detected.
>>345144190
Morphic resonance is a real scientific theory with a lot of convincing evidence. Rupert Sheldrake is a real guy.
>>345141783
How is he so stylish?
>>345130136
It couldn't have been a stand alone game. The game screamed sequel in all its story sequences. Also I don't find the twists in VLR weak. They were just badly introduced. For example sigma being major zero. He should had realized it after seeing himself during Junpei end, or when on the first puzzle in the crew quarters. He should had seen his reflection at least.
>>345145142
You bought the best game in the trilogy, so no
You're driving on the road and suddenly you see this. What do you do?
>>345155410
Prepare to go to the moon!
>>345155410
>ask for a blowjob
>she laughs at my dick
>one lick and I jizz buckets.
>drive awkwardly to nearest city
>>345130136
Mystery-suspense plot with a crazy sci-fi twist = perfect.
999 was gold thanks to low fantasy.
Going full Japanese sci-fi shenanigans with VLR ruined it and kind of shat on the pleasant surprise it was the first game.
Can someone explain how exactly do subsequent playthroughs work in 999? Do they let you see things from different angles or are there different endings? Is there a coherent plot or are there only various outcomes based on choices? Do choices matter in the long run?
>>345130136
Just finished VLR. It was amazinh. Fuck you.
>>345161796
Different endings.
Coherent plot.
If I remember, the doors chosen are what have the primary impact on what ending you get.
ITT: We pretend we SHIFTed to a timeline where Operation Bluebird failed and ZE3 was never released. What do you tell Zero Escape fans there?
