N64 bro here so I may have high standards.
>>345112182
>nintendofag
>Having standards
Pick one
>>345112182
PS1 games have generally aged like dogshit. Early 3d games in general, really.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is still great. But that's 2d.
>>345112385
What about the Sodoku series? I heard those were PS1's best games from Kotaku.
I know this is a bait thread, but the Spyro games have aged quite well if you ask me.
>>345112182
Final Fantasy Tactics.
also
>N64
>High standards
>>345112182
>N64 bro here so I may have high standards.
N64 games are blurry muddy messes with midi music and are devoid of content.
Your standards are probably pretty low, mediocre PS1 titles are way better than the best of the best N64 games.
Anything 2D.
Visually or mechanically?
>>345112182
Spyro & Crash games still look good and are still fun.
>>345112182
ff9 and chrono cross are the only ones really, you need a end of the life ps1 game for it to still be playable unfortunatly.
Most games with pre-rendered backgrounds have aged really well, especially if you have a PS2 hooked up to a CRT with component or s-video. The backgrounds in Chrono Cross and FFIX looking fucking amazing, the latter looking better than the new PC release since it isn't upscaled and filtered to hell and back. It's a shame the PSX wasn't as good as the N64 for 3D rendering because those games would have aged incredibly.
>>345112182
Final Fantasy IX still looks pretty great.
>>345112182
>N64
>high standards
PS1 games in general have aged much better thanks to not having to deal with a ridiculously microscopic working memory. Like seriously, I'm still to this day amazed as to how they managed to make SM64's scenery have so few polygons, have Mario look like a bunch of sausages tied together, and they STILL couldn't afford to have actual 3D trees in the game.
>>345112182
chrono cross
>>345113428
>posting solt and peppor without ketchup
triggered
>>345112992
I don't know about that bro. N64 could run RE2 on one cart with high-res textures, high quality music samples. Yes, with less extra content than the PS1 version but that's a good compromise if you want analog controls as the cherry on top.
Seems like PS1 has low standards since the original controller doesn't even have sticks. C'mon mang!
>>345113361
>PS1 games in general have aged much better
This is some extremely poor bait
>>345112540
>quite well
perfectly well if you ask me, I played Spyro last week and it still feels tight and great
>>345113318
>>345113351
IIRC from when 9 came out, the devs said they had reached the pinnacle of PS1 capability with it. Kinda makes sense when you see what 7 looked like (originally developed for Super NES before switching to Playstation) compared to 9 (With 8 as a nice go-between)
I honestly can't think of 3 games that gave a better example of graphics improvement over a console's lifetime. In fact there are no games I can think of on ps3 that improved that much in terms of graphics.
>>345112182
well i laughed
>PS1
>Rough sharp graphics
>Sharp
>N64
>More detail
>As sharp as the world after you stick your fingers in your eyes
>>345113549
>Seems like PS1 has low standards since the original controller doesn't even have sticks. C'mon mang!
At least you didn't need to be some 3 armed mutant freak to operate the original PS1 controller, and the DualShock came around in good time basically making the N64 controller a joke with it's one analog.
>>345112182
>N64
>high standards
does not compute
>>345113361
For the record, N64 is incapable of rendering 3D because it's all processed by a reality chip which is an early extremely powerful 3DFX card. Those aren't "sprites" you see, but a model that uses only one texture relative to the camera to save processing power.
Now, show me a PS1 or PC game from before the year 2000 that has a tree you can climb and jump or so a hand-stand somersault off.
Go, I'll wait.
>>345113871
PS1 games were pretty bad then if they were beaten by a console with only one controller and one stick.
>>345113938
>>345113938
ape escape!
>>345113938
>Now, show me a PS1 or PC game from before the year 2000 that has a tree you can climb and jump or so a hand-stand somersault off.
Why would any competent dev waste their time and resources adding such pointless trivial bullshit instead of adding more meaningful content or polishing the game?
Enjoy your hideous techdemo collectathon where they decided to add climbing and somersaulting off trees instead of developing a tolerable camera system that doesn't kill you.
I'd say Metal Gear, but Psycho Mantis won't ever be surprising again.
>>345113938
>Now, show me a PS1 or PC game from before the year 2000 that has a tree you can climb and jump or so a hand-stand somersault off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJVfRIGblZw
Toy Story 2
Year:1999
Played OoT for the first time a few years ago. Still haven't finished. I can tell it was great for its time but it certainly doesn't hold up. And I'm a nostalgia/retrofag.
>>345112182
>N64 bro here so I may have high standards.
>>345112182
>remake the best game of all time
>on a 240p handheld
>>345113938
Well, the ps1 could do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9oCaYlBlE
>>345114573
Nice done although
>Multiplat that looked way way better on N64
Spyro is about it and that's mostly do to its color palette
>>345114763
The n64 version is a joke it didn't even have all the voice acting and cutscenes and had shitty midi music
>>345112182
the original Crash games are still very good, except 3 which has some bullshit gimmicks
>>345112182
No 3D game for the PS1 aged well. Even those using prerendered backgrounds like Final Fantasy aged like shit because of the low poly models.
Games like pic related aged well because hand painted backgrounds and sprites are timeless.
Tekken 3 and Crash 3 still look great
>>345114676
Majora's Mask aged better.
>>345114946
Typical sonypony, calling a version a joke even though it did a lot of things better because of voice and cutscenes.
>>345114676
If you don't like it now then your not really a fan of that type of game. Also if people want it in better graphics they should play the 3ds version. The game has a wonderful world and story to tell and that is something that time can't change.
>>345114759
Man, imagine if the lifespan for that gen was just 2-3 years longer, we probably would have seen some incredible shit.
>>345113428
This was pretty amazing if you played it when it came out. I never liked FF or JRPGs at the time but the commercials for this looked so beautiful I had to get it just based off that and no game ever sold me just by a commercial.
>>345112182
All early 3D games aged like milk.
>>345112540
i think they're great for hand helds, same with crash. on modern tv's though they can look awful.
In response to OP's question as well, anything that was in 2d at the time. People remember the late 90's block 3d a lot but forget the strong catalogue of 2d game that the Ps1 had.
>>345115581
Only if you're a spoiled current gen gamer.
>>345115645
>the strong catalogue of 2d game that the Ps1 had.
Strong is a stretch.
Plus Sony had a weird regulation that stopped 2D games being put on the system for ages because they wanted to hammer home WE DO 3D THAT'S A THING YOUR SNES AND SHIT DON'T!
Video games don't age.
>>345117106
Only the gamers.
only this
>>345112182
Einhander still looks pretty decent and it's fun as shit.
>>345113549
>meme image
Yeah, right. N64 ports were dogshit.
How's Mega Man Legends?
>>345118506
MM64 was a lazy port, MML was built for the PS1.
>>345114573
I had it on PC, the PS1 version will never look better
>>345112182
I've always really liked Ape Escape. The graphics are above average by PS1 standards, the gameplay is fun, and the music is awesome.
>PSX
Sharper but wobbly textures. Also wobbly textures. A lot of gradient fills instead of textures.
Better sprites and 2D graphics.
CD quality music and sound.
Bigger game size, so more high-res pictures.
>N64
More polygons.
Textures are muddier but stable. Also more textures at the same time.
Much better shaders.
Better draw distance in games.
>>345118506
>>meme image
Reality is a meme?
>>345119680
>N64
>Better draw distance in games.
Kek.
>>345115279
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver was a full 3D world with interactable objects and weapons, platforming, the ability to switch between the physical world and the spirit world with a button press, and the option to teleport to to any of a series of portals scattered throughout the world.
All this without one loading screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuVRUZwAX8U
>>345115208
I agree Crash 2 looks pretty good too, first one though not so much.
>>345112182
Chrono Cross.
>>345119856
The best place to find info about all the cut content from soul reaver is probably neogaf though
>>345112182
What the fuck was wrong with your eyes?
>>345119680
I think the PS1 did generally have better textures but they still looked like shit and were filled with squares and stuff, which I think was caused by no texture filtering. So whatever benefit the PS1 would have had with slightly higher resolution textures is ruined by how they were actually rendered.
Both consoles had benefits to them but both also had issues that limited those benefits. N64 was more powerful but had fuck all for storage space and the PS1 had more storage space but wasn't able to render all that stuff as well as the N64 could have if it had more storage.
>>345120048
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488564
>>345112182
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy VII and IX
A few other JRPGS
A few 2D games like Castlevania
That's pretty much it.
But it's not like N64 games have fared much better.
>>345112182
A lot of sprite games aged really well. Legend of mana is a good example. Pre-rendered stuff aged mostly well too, like the oddworld titles.
Some titles like crash bandicoot (mostly 2 and 3 though) and megaman legends aged really well too.
>>345119881
I felt that 3 looked better overall, but the level select and those stone temple things you start and end the level in are fucking beautiful.
>>345120210
FFVII aged like milk left out in the sun in summer. At least graphically speaking, which I think is what we're talking about. Its character models are awful even compared to VIII and IX.
still fun, still nothing like it
>>345120198
Roughly 40% of the game was cut, thats such a shame
>>345115154
It was really comfy, too. But the gameplay really was poo.
Wild Arms 2 still looks great
>>345112182
Epona's model in OoT was shockingly good.
>>345112182
>N64
>high standards
>>345120467
Kinda coincidental how like in most games pigs are evil
>>345121619
>>345121619
Such as?
>>345122101
Well, Diddy Kong Racing, Zelda, Mother...
>>345122101
Diddy Kong Racing, Zelda, Mother
>>345122230
Thank you for the list of evil pigs in video games.
>>345112182
Resident Evil 3 and Chrono Cross are the ones that aged the best IMHO
>>345122306
Pigma!
>>345122230
>>345122286
Thank you for the list of evil pigs in video games.
>>345122101
Diddy Kong Racing, Zelda, Mother
>>345122343
You're welcome.
>>345122101
Diddy Kong Racing, Zelda, Mother
>>345112182
Tony Hawk
>>345122230
>>345122286
>>345122306
>>345122343
>>345122346
>>345122518
watch out now, this is how memes start
>>345113717
>>345112540
They're decent but like most early 3D games they have some average controls
>>345122101
ROCKET KNIGHT
But for real you can thank Animal Farm for everyone hating pigs, and generally culturally being seen as a slovenly animals that wallows in filth
>>345123919
I would really prefer if you'd be quiet.
>>345119810
examples of ps1 games with further draw distance than mario 64, oot, mm, banjo, jfg, dk64, conker, etc?
>ctrl+f
>vagrant story
>no results
this shit was the FFXII of its generation with how far ahead it looked compared to other games
>>345124393
le ebin meme
>>345112271
newfag
>>345124830
>>345113938
>Now, show me a PS1 or PC game from before the year 2000 that has a tree you can climb and jump or so a hand-stand somersault off.
I'm not sure what does have to do on a technical scale.
>>345115258
They should play the gamecube version that actually has shadows and runs at 60fps.
>>345115154
Come to think of it, outside of Bangai-O and Mischief Makers (which I personally think is ugly looking) , I can't really think of many 2D games on the N64
>>345124693
>>345113428
Chrono Cross is so fucking gorgeous.
>>345112182
>N64
>High Standards
>>345113938
Ape escape and tomb raider.
>>345125365
Absolutely nothing.
>>345126061
Yep. People think ps1 graphics hold up the worst but to me it's literally my favorite. The character models look bad(but sometimes charming) and I loved the pre-rendered backgrounds.
I started in the nes era but for some reason ps1 era is my favorite.
Azure Dreams
Final Fantasy (Tactics and 7)
C:SOTN
Crash Bandicoot Series
BRIGANDINE (*fuck I wish I had a stable emu of this*)
>>345124882
Talking about 20 year old hardware makes me new?
Show me a PS1 game that can technically even approach this.
Recorded off real hardware. No Expansion Pak.
>>345114759
Damn that's pretty impressive. More impressive than even the Shenmue build they had running on Sega Saturn.
>>345127148
Conker was some prototype PS2/Gamecube shit. I love it when looking back you can see some games towards the end of a console's lifecycle resembling games from the beginning of the next one.
>>345114759
whaaat, was this originally planned for ps1?
I remember playing the demo on ps2 and me and my friends being blown away by the graphics.
>>345127617
Really makes you think
>>345127617
Conker also has better texturing than any PS1 game
>>345112182
Symphony of the Night.
>>345122101
Star Fox
>>345127965
Good one. I played this within the last couple years for the first time and was hooked the entire way through until I virtually 100%'d it. I always thought the game looked meh too.
The second game also improves on it's predecessor in every way.
>>345128626
worst cover OAT?
Wow the 3ds version looks so much better. Pick it up fellas while it still $20 in stores.
>>345128626
Imagine buying a game that looks this kickass and then you go back home and find out it's cutesy weabo trash.
>>345129196
Megaman 1 still holds that title
>>345126061
Prerendered backgrounds need to come back. They always look fucking amazing.
>>345128662
Is this silent hill?
Because I agree silent hill still looks like it should even today.
Spooky shit.
I think the crash games are still nice to look at, definitely more than the average 3d ps1 game
>>345129961
I always said the scariest thing about SH1 were the graphics
>>345129961
Yep, texture work was really something else. Holds up even today blown up to a modern screen.
>>345130173
I think its mostly a combination of the graphics and eerie as fuck music.
>>345129990I agree
>>345130351
I meant it as a joke, as in the graphics are so horrible it's scary.
I love SH though and the original is my favorite.Cheryl?
megaman legends
Most sprite games imo. Valkyrie profile still looks good, Xenogears looks decent, Suikoden 2 etc. Chrono Cross is also great.
>>345130636
>Xenogears looks decent
I don't remember Xenogears looking decent at any point in time.
>>345129990
Naughty Dog are technical wizards.
>>345130904
Spyro is more impressive.
Making a game set in a series of corridors look good is easy.
I don't know, maybe check the bajillion relaunches on PS Store that everyone buys.
>>345130173
The '90s-'00s japanese horror design needs to come back.
>everything rusty as fuck
>barely any light
>slow movements and huge tension
This modern found-footage/night vision/LOOK JIM HE'S BEHIND YOU!!! western shit is getting on my nerves.
>>345130589
Megaman Legends completely nailed the design, it's timeless.
Saga Frontier 2
>>345130870
I really liked it, the sprites were ok and the mechs looked good for the time.
>>345131030
You're absolutely right. Having prebaked occlusion data is kind of cheating.
>>345112182
The geography on Lon Lon Ranch was weird as fuck
>>345128114
hnnnnnggg
>>345122101
Pig cops from duke nukem.
>>345112182
Probably nothing 3D unless you're into the AESTHETIC meme then you could probably enjoy the dankness of the low poly 3D models with flat colors for textures. LSD simulator is pretty cool as an experimental game.
For everybody ITT saying Nintendo sucks, what games can you recommend to me for somebody who loves the n64 and GameCube Mario and Zelda games
I'm thinking of platforming type stuff and puzzles
Some new games I've enjoyed are towerfall and shovel knight, also inside
>>345131050
>Megaman Legends completely nailed the design, it's timeless.
such timelessness
>>345131868
If you haven't played Okami, get to it. It's a good 3D Zelda clone and damn long too.
>ITT some anons hating on the PS1's Arcady graphics
It looked much better than the blurry mess that was the N64. The proof is now that we have upscalers and emulators to play this old hardware, we can take a closer look at what was actually being sent to our TVs. PS1 stuff generally looks much crisper and cleaner. N64 looks like ass in its natural state, even through a framemeister. If you aren't using an emulator and are using an actual console, the only way to fix this is to mod the console to remove that filter.
Point is, natural N64 graphics only look passable through a blurry, low res CRT where you wouldn't have noticed it that much anyway. Trying to play it today just looks horrible, while PS1 actually improves in quality (slightly) when you remove the natural fuzz of a CRT.
>>345132051
That' true now, but at the time it was a form of antialiasing.
Not very many.
When people try to tell me that shit like Spyro the Dragon and Ape Escape 1 and Mega Man Legends have aged well, all I can think is that nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
>>345131992
Great. Now now I have to download it again.
>>345132051
It's actually the opposite. PS1 still looks like shit even at higher resolutions while N64 games look fine generally with the higher resolution counteracting the blur somewhat.
>>345115154
FF9 aged well
Vagrant Story aged well
>>345132217
but anon, spyro did actually age well
>>345132051
>while PS1 actually improves in quality (slightly) when you remove the natural fuzz of a CRT.
Bullshit. With PS1 you get jaggies out the ass, warping textures, jiggling polygons, and you get shitloads of dithering. You can see some of it in the picture you posted.
In motion all PS1 games look even worse.
>>345132051
People don't play n64 for the graphics though
I would hope people don't play any games for the graphics, that would be weird as hell
>>345113871
>At least you didn't need to be some 3 armed mutant freak to operate the original PS1 controller
You cannot name a single N64 game which required the use of all three handles simultaneously.
I wanted to strangle people who tried to find ways of holding the controller so as to operate all the buttons at once, because it was never needed.
>>345132614
>You cannot name a single N64 game which required the use of all three handles simultaneously.
Duke Nukem 64
>>345117353
THISis Rupture farms
>>345132893
Strangely enough I remember N64 games being a lot blurrier than they actually were.
>>345128662
I first played through this game 2 years ago, the graphics may not have been too incredible and the monsters were rather laughable, but the ATMOSPHERE holy shit, I was on edge the entire god damn game especially during the night stages I actually turned my lights off while playing to enhance the effect, I could honestly recommend this game to anyone a bit more open minded about games
>>345132790
Dubs Checkem' 64
>>345132790
Not in "shift mode".
But I guess no one used that. So I'll concede that some games used the whole controller. But using the left-side buttons for rarely-used inventory items doesn't break the game. The default PC controls of Duke Nukem 3D make the use of inventory items awkward as fuck too.
>>345132893
OoT still looks awwwwright
>>345131992
Highly-stylized art typically holds up better than stuff that's trying to be more cutting-edge.
The trade off is that these games are typically seen as primitive at release because they have to deal with whatever "realistic graphics" from the time period look like.
Megaman Legends could easily pass as a cool-looking indie game by today's standards if it had reworked controls and a better translation.
I personally would love to see a bunch of highly-stylized PS2-era games like Killer 7 and SMT Nocturne get rereleases at higher resolutions with more sharpening
>>345132051
>PS1
>Arcady graphics
WRONG, that honor belongs to the Sega Saturn my dude.
>>345132614
Doing the cheat menu in Shadows of the Empire required both hands and a chin
>>345127936
Fuck man I wish when Rare were still wizards and still made good games.
>>345112182
Saga Frontier 2.
That game will never look old.
>>345132345
FF9's remaster didn't age well bro the original is ugly as hell.
VS is almost worse.
>>345126061
Chrono Cross has the best looking character models on the PS1.
>>345112182
try horse but hole
Link's kilt is awfully high.
>>345131125
Damn, that looks good. Would you reccomend Saga Frontier?
>>345135641
Yes and?
>>345129773
Pillars of Eternity did pre rendered backgrounds (like many of the old crpgs did) and that shit looks really nice.
>>345113319
>>345113318
>FF 9 and Chrono Cross
This. The prerendered bgs and detailed character models still look great. Certain areas still have that 'wow' factor due to the attention to detail and how fucking gorgeous they are.
And say what you want about CC but the OST is fantastic. I've now got this song stuck in my head.
https://youtu.be/VpGwyd2Ve_0
Not Crash 1. Game is a 6/10 but the save system bring it down to a 4/10
>>345137215
Even though Cross has a ton of haters it still has a reputation for having a top tier OST.
>ps1 n64 shitflinging console war thread
For some reason I'm okay with this since both were pretty great. I guess it's just a nice change from the usual shit.
>tfw the Saturn never got its chance to shine.
Remember playing pic related on a Demo disc, and it was awesome and that Ghost In The Shell game too.
>Had a demo disc with CTR on it and I wanted to buy it
>Go to store
>Didn't know English at all
>Just pick one that had Crash and the other characters on it
>Ended up with Warped
I can't complain really
>>345129773
Bravely default.
>>345138016
And there's still some genuine responses in the thread, as well.
>>345136384
SaGa Frontier 1 and 2 are different games. I like the first one a lot more than the second and thing the second is the weakest entry in the series but if you haven't played a SaGa game then play one now.
FTFY
>>345133250
I wish devs would realize that you can make really great looking games without having to rely on a shitton of shaders and post-processing effects.
>>345128626
Really 1&2 should be played as 1 game. Also grab the PAL versions (if you're emulating) and slap a NTSC patch on it. The real NTSC versions had audio missing from the strategy battles
>>345124080
Spyro controls great. The only thing showing its age is the camera, but you just control it with L and R.
How Ocarina of Time looked
>>345140139
the game was not cropped to be widescreen when you were a kid you liar
Game still plays well and looks decent to this day.
>>345131030
Give this a read.
http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/02/making-crash-bandicoot-part-1/
>>345141593
How Breath of the Wild will look
>>345113428
Zoah made me gay. Spent hours looking at that huge manly hairy bulk sticking out of that gorgeous male body and something clicked. Thanks Square!
>>345132051
You kidding me? Look at a game that was heralded for it's graphics like MGS/FFIX and then compare a non FMV, non emulated picture to one of Majora's Mask or Conker's Bad Fur Day and tell me which is easier on the eyes. The PS1 was ugly as fuck and is somewhat fixed by emulation being able to do things like take away the pixelated mess of unfiltered textures, wobbling rendering, and upscaling it to something that doesn't bleed the eyes. N64 you can actually take away the blur now on the console itself.
>>345112182
Nightmare creatures aged pretty well for ps1.
>>345112182
LSD
King's Field (Probably biased on this one)
MGS1
Silent Hill
I never even had a PS1 I had to emulate all of these except for MGS1
>>345131992
The dungeons aren't that impressive looking, but the cutscenes up on the surface are very well done.
>>345141651
anon he's still 12 and just recently played OoT yesterday.
>>345139034
mein neger
>>345112385
It's not that the games themselves have, but rather their graphics. Most 3D PS1 and N64 games look absolutely horrible in this day and age and "HD" rereleases cannot salvage them. The games are still fun and good games but yeah, they just look like crap.
That's not to say there weren't exceptions. Games like Parasite Eve 2, FF9, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, Goemon's Great Adventure, and Chrono Cross all held up pretty well. Nothing amazing but they're still pretty easy on the eyes. Games like OoT, Mario 64, and FF7 though? Mother of christ do those look terrible. I also have to make an honorable mention of FF8 because, while leaps and bounds better than FF7, character skins were pixelated messes that wreaked havoc on your eyes when you coupled them with a lack of any AA. Didn't matter if it was on a CRT or HD screen. It looked terrible.
>>345141651
god are you stupid
>>345127936
>game that came out at end of console cycle looks better than another game on console
>game that came out on 1996 hardware looks better than game on 1994 hardware
whoa
Nothing, because all games during the 5th generation looked like dogshit, and I say this as someone who grew up with them. 4th gen aged like fine wine.
>>345143552
2D 5th gen games are timeless.
>>345143552
MOST games looked like dogshit, but some of them still look good
>>345112182
MediEvil
Crash Bandicoot 2
Tomb Raider 2 and 3
Syphon Filter
Spyro 2
>>345144691
Syphon Filter maaybe but I can't see TR 2/3 holding up that well. At least to the averaged person.
>>345145857
Tomb Raider 2/3 were the best in the series.
(ignore the guy talking)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKc09glLLuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XD8zQhggJo
>>345144553
>not posting Oddworld
Pleb
Speaking as a former Nintendrone, N64 is fucking shit. I wish I'd grown up with a PS1 instead.
