Can someone explain to me why devs constantly pander to PC users when we have proof that they buy games in fewer numbers than people who play on consoles or handhelds?
It seems like a waste of time
e constantly trying to chase the type of people who don't buy games in the first place.
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/15/azure-striker-gunvolt-hits-170000-worldwide-downloads-nintendo-3ds/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29
>>345078742
Because we DON'T FUCKING LIKE WEEBSHIT
FUCK OFF
>>345078834
Yeah indie shit like pic related seems to be more pc fat speed
>>345078742
Because it's insanely easy to port games to PC
>>345078871
Whatever, at least it's not Japanese bullshit.
That shit can fuck off to consoles forever for all I care
>>345078742
Because the Japs need to scrape up every penny they can get from every avenue, since mobile has crippled the traditional console market in Japan, so even moves that'll earn 'em a few grand here and there are considered worthwhile.
>>345078975
You have to be 18 to post here
>>345079009
I've been PC gaming before you were born. Japanese have NEVER made a good video game.
>>345078742
>Get enough dosh at initial release
>Wait a bit before PC port
>Port it over to PC with work less than a week
>>345079104
>get no money because people don't buy games on pc
>>345079001
This, they try to cater to consoles as best they can but with a significantly smaller installbase compared to last gen and the gen before that they need to pander to an increasing number of PC users who have chosen to boycott consoles this generation.
I don't see why Azure need to get ported though, the 3DS has a massive installbase. Even I bought the game back when I had a 3DS and I was very stingy with my money back then because 3DS games were usually so expensive
>>345079075
And the west has?
>>345079242
Isn't the PC version the only one that got an uncut patch?
>>345078742
Easy cash for no effort.
>>345079075
Why is it that people who dislike japanese games are always bitter cunts?
There's some sort of parallel here.
>>345079132
>piratefags play the game
>if it's good they talk about it
>suddenly people talking about how good "X game" is
>sequel sells significantly more
Assuming the game is actually good, or hits some niche point where people like it still.
>>345079348
They're usualy edgy teens from /b/
Gunvolt's a shit game though, and the PC port is absolutely god awful
>>345079390
>it's a "piracy helps games" post
>>345079390
dragons dogma would like a word with you
>>345079437
it does but it's not a rule.
>>345079509
You're a fucking liar if you claim you pirate games and then buy them if you like them.
Because it's cheap to port games, those ports are mostly awful and outsourced to a different company. Also nobody but shitposters on /v/ give a shit when a game gets ported
>>345078742
I was going to buy it then I found out the sequel comes with the first game anyway. I can wait
>>345079657
im planning on picking up the double pack on 3ds, does the original game have the cut content restored in the double pack?
>>345079584
>vgchartz
>>345079556
I've done it though and I'm sure others do too.
The argument at hand though is that pirating games and praising them gets others to buy it.
As someone who pirates most of my games and posts a lot of screenshots, videos, and webms, I can absolutely say that I've talked tons of people into purchasing games and that's without accounting for the untold number of lurkers.
I remember VC getting shilled hard by its fanbase really hard and that game did really well. There was literally zero publisher marketing, it was all Durante and fags like me making threads of forum topics.
>>345079709
Heard it does but you can always pirate it to see
>>345078742
because pc cucks can shitpost on the internet all day, making a devs game seem hated
>>345079324
Yeah it came with cut content which was the publisher decision which is a good thing, the 3DS deserves the definitive edition.
>>345079709
Yes it they added a new playable character to the original too
>>345078742
It's not pandering, it's just porting, which these days is a lot easier and cheaper. They may as well ask themselves "Why not?"
>>345078742
>total shit port
>doesn't sell
>>345079075
>Japanese have NEVER made a good video game
Oh, then it has a lot in common with western developers.
>>345079324
>>345079837
I think EU 3DS version is uncut.
Not censored midriff,at least.
>>345078742
>Release a game on a handheld system
>Make a port of the game a year later for PC
>No marketing
>Awful port
Why do you act like porting a game costs the same amount as developing the entire game from scratch? Why do you act like both versions should sell a similar amount of copies when the circumstances involved are incomparable in the first place? Why do you act like you don't know the answer to your own question?
Devs "pander" to PC users to earn more money.
>>345079913
It's not. As of yet, the only uncut version is the PC version, but only if you play with japanese voices. If you play with english voices, it's cut.
>>345079913
America got the middriff too
Did the europe version have in stage dialog removed?
>>345079985
Seems like a waste of time when there's obviously little success.
Was Gunvolt a clone of Zero series or ZX? Was it good? I ignored it because the big blue circle that kills everything looked stupid.
>>345079584
Those arent bad numbers for DGRP and SK
>>345080070
PC users say that regardless of how many copies of a game sells
>>345080036
It's obviously not and the lifetime sales will make a difference to the company's purse otherwise they wouldn't do it.
>24,000 copies sold
>If everyone paid $1 for it, that's $24,000
>As it is, it is $15
>No extra work really needed, you just have to port a game you've already made to PC
And that's why. Free money.
Azure Striker Gunvolt is a bad example of this though. It was originally designed to work on a two-screen DS, with stylus controls. As it is, it isn't ported over very well, although I still think it is a pretty fun little game. If Mighty No. 9 was half as good, it'd be better than nothing.
>>345080036
you mad, cuck?
>>345080036
There is obviously enough success for the developers to invest a small amount of money to port the games.
>>345079985
>>345080036
30k x 14.99$ is no peanuts to small time devs but 3DS needs to have the definitive version. They need to show they support consoles first and foremost before PC, that's the game was released with cut content in a bad port for PC because its how the PC market has to be treated
>>345080036
There is success to be found, though. Gunvolt didn't sell well because of the censorship/xe fiasco, and also the fact that the PC port is total shit still, but it was worse on release.
I mean, if there wasn't success to be found, why is Spike Chunsoft suddenly bringing over their entire library of games, with multiplatform releases?
>>345080241
Hoping that they get lucky and their games get memed into popularity by either youtubers or steam sale crowd
>>345080309
>implying danganronpa is unpopular
>implying zero escape isn't already memed into popularity
>>345080241
If devs outright came and announced a lot of their games were actually coming to PC as well do you think they would get less sales? And that's why they bring out games for console first then wait abit then port them to PC?
>>345080241
Same thing with ArcSys. I'm so happy to have all kinds of great fighting games on Steam so I don't have to play that crappy Skullgirls.
I have them all for PS3 anyway, but the online community for them are so much more chill and talkative than the console versions, probably because on the PC, we can actually type on a keyboard.
>>345078834
>we
>>345080472
I just wish ArcSys didn't port games to PC with a year+ delay.
We'll probably always be stuck with the inferior version 4-5 months in because the new BB/GG is out.
I'm glad they're doing it regardless.
>>345080671
I do wish we'd get them same-day too, but it is also nice playing games I haven't played in a while. UNIEL just came out, and it was always my favorite, but I hadn't played it for months because I wanted to concentrate on Guilty Gear. Feels great to pick it up again. Just wish it was [st], so I could fool around with two new characters.
And having an actual English-translated version of Melty Blood that I can take to the mall on my laptop. NICE.
And let's not forget about their masterpiece, Battle Fantasia. Just kidding.
>Can someone explain to me why devs want to get extra sales?
Gee, I dunno, OP. Really makes you think...
>>345078742
25K sale for a niche game is good enough though.
>>345083813
>25k is good compared to 170k
>>345083943
>believing vgchartz
>>345083943
>Hey, man, you did exceedingly well! Let me tip you a hundred and twenty five dollars.
Normal person:
>Holy shit, thanks, man.
You:
>WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TWENTY FIVE BUCKS? I'D RATHER HAVE THE HUNDRED.
>>345079075
Ok buddy calm down and go shoot some 13 year old in call of duty
>>345084061
I don't follow
Indie dev here
Steam sales numbers have dropped dramatically over the past few years. An average game these days sells like 4000-5000 copies. These games did really well by comparison.
There is too much competition, backlogs are getting too big, and people are ditching desktop PCs for phones.
>>345083813
No matter what the game is pc versions lag behind almost every time. Why bother with people who don't spend money?
>>345084165
You wouldn't, because you're retarded.
Extra money is extra money. Why would you not port a game to PC and get more money out of it?
>>345078742
games released way later than the original version and get no marketing have lower sales, who'd have thunk it
>>345084351
Except they're clearly not making money
>>345084420
Hey man, feel free to give me 25 thousand dollars in the future. It's not like you're losing any money.
>>345084420
If they weren't making money they wouldn't be porting sequels.
>>345078834
>>345078742
You don't understand what pandering means. Fuck off, retard.
>>345078927
Third post has the answer. Developign for PC is the easy part. By comparison of course.
>>345080241
Obivously because they care about the fans and not about the money theyre losing doing this. We all know companies are selfless and would forsake money for the greater good, right?
>>345078742
I keep seeing Seiba
Pc gaming is where videogames go to die
>horrible userbase
>everything turns into a dick waving contest with elitism and dumb faggots
>cheaters
>mods that have 0 respect for the artistic vision of the devs
>always complaining even if they are pandered too
Horrible, just horrible.
>>345088925
If you really believe this and not that the true videogame graveyard is pachislot, you need your opinions straightened out
>>345088925
>have one nitpick complaint
>use it to justify rampant piracy
PC gaming
>>345080219
>Developers should invest resources to make a later release worse than the original just to spite people I don't like.
How can one person be so bitter?
>>345088754
You mean /ss/eiba right?
>>345089546
>>345088925
if you were right then ports wouldn't keep happening
all of the games will end in pc one day, all of them
>>345078742
>absolutely ass fucked port
>GEE WHY DIDN'T IT SELL
How is porting a game "pandering?" They're just selling the game. Pandering would imply they're changing gameplay aspects or content to make the game more enjoyable on one platform
>muh PC pirating
Why do you faggots pretend that there is no pirating on consoles?
>>345080117
The way I see it they should consider themselves lucky they even saw a single sale for such a delayed port in the first place.
>>345079556
You're a moron kid. You're making literally no arguments, all you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ear and yelling "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I, WITH MY TINY HANDHELD PENIS CAN'T COMPREHEND YOUR ACTIONS THEREFORE IT NEVER HAPPENED"
>>345078742
because EA, a game doesn't have to sell a million plus copies to be a success becuase they don't use their entire budget on voice actors and entitled Commiefornian programmers.
>>345091894
>Why do you faggots pretend that there is no pirating on consoles?
I imagine it's not as easy and therefor not as common.
>>345078742
>Release game 2+ years later
>Be surprised when it sells worse
wew lad
>>345079584
>vn
>musou
>mh clone
woow i wonder why they don't sell like real games
>those sales
kek. Piracy and shit taste killed pc gaming
Because it is easy as hell and requires almost no effort to port games to the PC, so even if they do sell very low they still make a profit. Why do you think so many PS4 games are being ported? The PS4 and windows have the same x86 architecture so it requires almost no money to port
>>345078742
The game made money just selling 100k copies worldwide. A pc port that almost cost nothing to make still pushed 24k copies, and it will go up years after it's release, too.
>>345078742
Easy to port and less hoops to jump through, so even something like 1000sales make a proffit if the console version did okay.
In a nutshell: why not
Because they know we have the money, why not port a game that takes less than the original cost of the game and then sell it for the original price?
Are anons really that salty because games can be enjoyed by everyone? Is being poor the only reason why you root for exclusives? Kek get a stable job next time you cunt
>>345078742
because you are a retard if you think people with PCs cant own other consoles and vice versa, which is a majority. Why would i buy the same game i already own on another platform?
>>345094727
It's much easier on consoles.
>>345078742
Wait, did Gunvolt come out on PC?
>>345079075
>never played a Souls game
>>345099904
I've never done it. But on PC it's just;
>download .iso
>install game
>copy crack
Sometimes not even the last one. Is it really easier than that?
>>345079437
>it's a crytek poster
>>345078742
Maybe because you dumbshits don't give us the game day one and make is wait for months.
>>345100210
It's not, anon's lying
A better question is why everybody gets so angry when PC port is announced. It's not even just the console people, which I guess I could understand, it's fucking everybody save for like 5 people who might be like "huh, cool."
And half the time, the arguments aren't even about the game itself., which gets completely forgotten in the midst of the shit-flinging and name-calling. It's fucking insane.
>>345100537
I don't even know anymore. People here just dislike other people having nice things.
>>345100537
Games become possible to discuss because if you're not playing the pc version threads get derailed because you're playing the inferior version and all anyone cares about talking about is frame rate and resolution
>>345078742
>Can someone explain to me why devs constantly pander to PC users
They don't.
Devs are lazier than ever with PC ports.
>>345100746
>threads get derailed because you're playing the inferior version and all anyone cares about talking about is frame rate and resolution
Wat?
>>345100537
Because you have to be emotionally invested on your purchases.
>>345100821
If you bring up the fact that you're not playing on pc pc shitposters derail the thread
>>345078927
This
>Sell x amount of copies first day
>Forever keep selling copies because it will always be compatible with nearly all future PCs, possibly requiring some small maintenance in the future to make compatible
There's no reason not to.
>>345101000
Are actually you saying console shitposters don't shit up threads when a PC port is announced?
A shitposter is a shitposter, anon.
>>345101000
>blame one subfaction
It really doesn't matter. Each platform has it's dedicated 90% of shitposters.
>>345078742
Yo Azure Striker Gunvolt is shit.
I like the premise and character designs but the levels are all boring and makes everything feel monotonous.
I really hope the sequel is better
>>345101364
Yeah all those thanks for beta testing posts are console users
>>345100537
because exclusives are the only reason the retards can defend buying a console
>>345078742
Can someone explain to me why people like to post platformwar garbage on /v/?
>>345078834
But I like Japanese games
