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Explain to me exactly how Final Fantasy VII isn't the greatest jRPG of the '90s.
Because it's not Final Fantasy VIII
>>345049476
Dragon Quest 3 is the best Final Fantasy.
>>345050494
>FF8 is playable
You aren't as bad as Majora's Mask faggots, but you sure are close.
FF7 technically speaking isn't the greatest since it's graphics were outdone by even games within its own series (8) and there are games within its own series with greater customization options and stories (tactics). What 7 has that makes it memorable is charm. All of its characters stand out and their interactions are nice. Everyone's designs are simple and tell you everything you need to know about the characters at a glance and the materia system is simple enough to be fun
>of the 90s
It's the pinnacle of the jRPG genre to this day and literally only mongs argue anything else
It's an actual masterpiece in an industry of ""masterpieces""
>>345050494
this
>>345049476
Because it didn't stop Chrono Trigger from existing.
>>345049476
don't try to compare ff7 with other games
it's more like a monument at this point
tourists who come visit it either brag about it without knowing its history and context or they say it's nothing special to be hipsters
>>345050494
nah
>>345050765
But Tactics isn't even a jRPG; its an SRPG which is a different genre
>>345051153...whatever
because I'm sure without a doubt there were better "RPG games" coming out then
ff7 is great but it's not difficult, it isn't complex and doesn't offer too many roleplaying elements as it plays more like a grandiose adventure you're flung into, by the second disc you're enthralled and the north crater is a great summation for however you personally felt about the game
>>345049476
Because Chrono Trigger exists
>>345050494
>because it's not the worst Final Fantasy of the 90s
How is that a bad thing?
>>345051389
Suikoden 2 comes to mind, but that's a whole different type of game.
>>345050494
>>345051428
>Final Fantasy 8 is bad
>>345051428
CT is just as overrated though. I'll admit it had a nice battle system and visual design but the atmosphere wasn't that memorable
>>345049476
>>345051583
I love this image but Aeris and Tifa don't actually have that much interaction throughout the game. They're basically on opposite sides of Cloud the entire time from what I remember
>>345051704
pre-2000 MegaTen does not count
>>345051628
>Final Fantasy 8 is good
>>345051671
Still better than any Final Fantasy. Yes that includes the SNES games.
>>345051628
it is
only nostalgiafags think it's anywhere near good
>>345051551
Suikoden 2 is probably the best JRPG of the 90's and one of the best ever made desu.
>>345051885
>Still better than any Final Fantasy. Yes that includes the SNES games.
I never got into it.
Neither Dragonquest.
I don't know maybe it's the cutesy artstyle that puts me off. Breaks my immersion.
>>345051885
>Still better than any Final Fantasy.
nah
>Yes that includes the SNES games
irrelevant but still no
>>345049476
Materia system is still the best system of magic in the world.
Its beautifully flexible and isnt limiting on the player. Its simple but can allow for complexity. Materia growth and stages is also a great feature making them level as you level and making old materia you found just as valuable, if not more, than new materia or summons. In classic rpgs there would always be a class dedicated for mage but this game allowed any character to equip and use materia, and stat boosters or new commands.
>>345049476
FFIV
FFV
DQIV
DQV
Romancing SaGa 2
Romancing SaGa 3
SaGa Frontier
Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Suikoden II
Lufia 2
Hard to be the 'greatest' when it wasn't even close to the best JRPG when it came out.
I wanna do a test, how many people who hate ff8 have maintained longterm, sexual relationships with healthy, non-obese girls? No fags allowed!
>>345049476
Because Final Fantasy VI is the better game.
>>345051153
... are none of the rabid ff8 fanboys going to debunk this?
I really want to hear someone debunk these criticisms if the game is so great
>>345052145
>wanting the opinions of normalfags
>>345051920
Try playing FF7 today and see how well it holds up. It holds up terribly. At least FF8 tries something new and takes chances, making it more unique than the other PS1 FF games.
>>345052130
I wish people would stop posting autistic lists in every FF thread ffs
>>345052146
FFVI is the same fucking shit with less innovation and an infinitely inferior core system. Espers were shit and were easily one of the worst systems in any FF.
>>345052017
That's fine. I don't like any Final Fantasy games post 1997 (IX being the only exception) due to Nomura's belts and angst faggotry.
>>345052064
Yes it is.
>>345052064
Please tell me a single Final Fantasy that is actually better than Chrono Trigger.
>>345052239
I still get goosebumps playing through the Bombing Mission sequence because of how great the atmosphere is. Get taste
>>345052295
>FF7
>innovation
>>345052130
>FF4 being on any list other than shit tier games
>ff5 being brought up in the current year
you could have at leat mentioned good ff games.
>>345052320
Final Fantasy V.
Wow, that was hard.
>>345052380
This. Its probably the best implementation of the Job System outside of Tactics
>>345052357
I don't see FFVI having minigames that break up the horrible tedium of FFVI's combat.
>>345052239
I played it for the first time last year and I think it holds up well besides the graphics (then again most PS1 games look like ass)
>At least FF8 tries something new and takes chances, making it more unique than the other PS1 FF games.
That alone does not make it a good game. FF13 also tried new things and took chances and it's still one of the most hated games in the series.
>>345052146
>VI fags always prentend their game is better
>always use the "second half of VII is shit" argument
>Conveniently ignore how awful world of ruin is
>>345052380
he said "better"
>>345052239
I played FF7 for the first time about a month ago. It's pretty hard to get past the spirte emulating field models in high definition these days, but it's probably the greatest game I've ever played and it holds up extremely well in every other respect.
FF8 was very tedious and not nearly as enjoyable.
>>345052457
It's a better implementation of the job system than Tactics' because it has a hell of a lot less shitter jobs that are completely pointless and a lot less jobs that rape the game in the ass without lube. Half of the shit you could get up to in Tactics made FFV's Chemist look like a paragon of balance in comparison.
First time playing through it and I'm feeling really autistic that I might miss something or be severely underleveled.
Should I use awalkthroughor continue blind?I already know Aeris dies.
>>345052463
FF7 invented minigames.
>>345052239
I played it again a few years ago
the story holds everything together and the combat system still is very solid
likable characters
an interesting world
non-intrusive and fun mini-games
everything ff8 doesn't have
give me one memorable death in ff8
I can't even remember, even FFX is better in terms of storytelling and worldbuilding
literally the worst
>>345052648
no you fucking faggot just play the game, leave
>>345052659
In the context of FF? Yes.
The big reason why FFVII is legendary and beloved, is relative to the time it first came out. How it utilized new technology for a groundbreaking level of cinematic storytelling and immersion through the JRPG. Opening doors and eyes across the industry for new fans and followers.
The plot, characters, systems, and style? That's all a lot more subjective - however good they actually are, is forever skewed by how much of a mark FFVII made. In other words, their qualities didn't define the game's legacy, as a completely different set of comparable elements could have ended up so iconic and classic instead.
>>345052648
christ, just play it blind you weirdo
>>345052648
Equip Enemy Skill as soon as you get it and never let go of it.
Congratulations, now you don't have to worry about being underleveled ever because the game will go out of its way to give you broken abilities that kill random encounters faster than you can run from them.
>>345052357
>materia system
>game has you play as some dirt grubbing, tree hugging, terrorists
>summons were actually well done and were never done as well ever again
>each character actually had backstory/there was no "le mysterious man joins us for no reason lol" bullshit
ff6 was great
kefka was a better villian than sephy
but ff7 was the ultimate better game.
>>345052993
>kefka was a better villian than sephy
only because Sephiroth wasn't actuallythe main antagonist
>>345049476
Because there were dozens of JRPGs that were better. FFVII was a mediocre FF game with a huge marketing budget.
>>345053193
no there weren't
>>345053193
FFVII was at least better than FFVI, I'll give it that, but it's the third-worst FF game up to that point.
>>345053261
And then the fourth-worst once VIII happened.
>>345053160
>shinra is the enemy
>no, the turks
>no wait, its Sephiroth
>no wait, its actually Rufus
>no actually its Jenova
>actually, I was just kidding, its Sephiroth after all
>no wait, its Mojo
>nah, just kidding, its Sephiroth
One of the major reasons FFVII can't be taken seriously. 90% of the game is just deflection from the actual story. And when you finally do fight Sephiroth, he's basically just Lavos in a human form.
>>345052783
This is part of it, especially integrating player control with animated environments, but this is a canned argument that really isn't accurate at all and I suspect is only repeated by people who weren't playing games when FF7 came out.
I played FF6 constantly when I was younger, I remember when FF7 came out and gained its legacy in large part through word of mouth, and the plot and characters being so moving and emotional was more of a hot topic than the technological advances and it's really why people told other people that "they have to play this game."
>>345052993
>kefka was a better villian than sephy
What a stupid thing to say.
I feel like most people who talk about this game and this series have never even played them.
>>345053261
>>345053419I like FFVI and VIII both more than VII. But even then, they're all mediocre.
Suikoden was better than FFVII despite 1/1000th the budget.
>>345053431
it's what people generally call progressing the story and worldbuilding
crazy that in a game world you'd encounter different people with different interests who sometimes depending on the situation might be friend of foe
crazy that good and evil aren't two tangible things but a spectrum and largely dependent on the situation
like wow
>>345053431
>hurr who's the bad guy THIS GAME SUCKS
kill yourself
>>345053431
>>shinra is the enemy
>>no, the turks
>>no wait, its actually Rufus
>>no wait, its Mojo
Those are all Shinra though.
And the game (even with its shoddy translation) makes it clear thatthe Sephiroth you fight is Jenova and the real Sephiroth is frozen in the North Crater
>>345049476
k
Try and imagine all the most popular or acclaimed 90's JRPGs, averaged out in terms of presentation to use the same general graphical quality and engine - while maintaining their own art design and style. Squint to see this as much as you can, and then try to find what plotlines or character interactions, soundtracks, and game mechanics are more developed and interesting.
>>345053594
>liking VIII more than VII
I can understand VI though.
>>345053456
>what a stupid thing to say
i played and beat both.
kefka was just out to cause chaos. sure it isnt the most groundbreaking reason or backstory but i think it was cool and then he became god and shit. Sephy was out to destroy the world because humans were evil is literally every super villains plan in any childs cartoon. Kefka didnt need a reason or some tragic back story he just wanted to fuck shit up and gain power through chaos.
>>345053594
FFVI is a bad game with a decent story for its time.
FFVII is a bad game with a pretty good story for its time.
FFVIII is a game that is so incredibly bad at everything that it ends up being entertaining, like a shitty Ed Wood movie.
>>345053456
>I feel like most people who talk about this game and this series have never even played them.
Careful, anon. You'll trigger all the faggots on /v/ who haven't actually played the game but know that you can't prove they haven't. Remember that thread a few weeks ago?
>>345053807
kefka was more one-dimensional in a way, although he makes for a more powerful villain
ff7 doesn't focus that much on the arch enemy and instead progresses organically as events develop
apples and oranges
>>345053751
sephiroth has four angel wings and a single black one in the paradise battle
at least get your troll image facts straight
>>345051628
>FF8 is anything but garbage
>>345053698
>spoiler
What's even better is that the final boss fight isbasically JENOVA herself, JENOVA fusing with Sephiroth for more power, then Sephiroth abandoning JENOVA to become a god-like being
>>345053834
shit
ff8 is kino
>>345053807
Jesus go back to fucking facebook or youtube, please, I am begging you, just look at how you type and the dullard canned meaningless drivel you babble out, are you not ashamed of yourself?
I've heard star ocean 2 is amazing, but i just can't get through the first 3 hours... That medieval town, some dicks mansion, a generic cave crawl....YUCK
>>345053431
>there is more than one bad guy or group in a game
>this is some how a bad thing
wut
that are all enemies of the state taht Avalanche fought for. Shinra was detroying the life energy, turks were shinra hit men, sephiroth was going to destroy the world no different than shinra, rufus was the head of shinra, jenova was a space alien taht mutated humans into monsters, hojo (not mojo) was a shinra scientist exploiting jenova cells
its really not this hard to understand,
>>345053807
I kinda hate that Crisis Core gave a better idea of who Sephiroth actually was than FFVII did since CC was such a shit game.
>>345054097
>Jesus go back to fucking facebook or youtube, please, I am begging you, just look at how you type and the dullard canned meaningless drivel you babble out, are you not ashamed of yourself?
>just look at how you type and the dullard canned meaningless drivel you babble out
>proceeds to post this
a hardy kek was had this night.
>>345053964
I don't give a shit it's still wings and his design was pretty fucking stupid anyways.As for the OP I don't play jrpgs for the story because 90% of jrpg stories are retarded as fuck.I play them for the dungeon crawling and mob hunts,and FF 12 shits on any other FF game in that aspect,let me know when an FF game has a dungeon of this complexity
>>345053619
>it's what people generally call progressing the story and worldbuilding
Constantly switching the focus of the story, which ultimately becomes pointless later on, is not progression. Next you're going to say Naruto had good progression.
>>345054218
one of the reasons I could never get through Grandia
>>345054294
Crisis Core is the GT of ff7, in my head it didn't happen.
So it didn't happen.
it's all fanservice franchise milking bullshit
I'd wager not a single person who made the original game had a say in anything to do with crisis core
>>345053807
Kefka is a one dimensional cartoon villain literal clown. At least Sephiroth is a character.
>>345052993
>Summons were actually well done and never done as well again
>Literally just canned animations that do nothing more than deal more damage than your regular spells
>Sometimes throw in status effects
I love FFVII, but the summons were absolutely nothing to write home to aside from the pretty attack animations. FFX completely shits all over it in terms of summon quality, in that you actually summon a beast to come down and fight with you instead of doing that one attack then fucking off
>>345053456
You say canned, I say extremely solid. I'm talking about the biggest factor for its status, everything else comes after.
>that really isn't accurate at all and I suspect is only repeated by people who weren't playing games when FF7 came out.
It's accurate though, I believe I have a grounded perspective. Just so happens Crystalis and FFI were my first fantasy/adventure/RPG vidya after Zelda. Meaning, by the time FFVII came out I was already a seasoned player of these types of games, in my mid teens.
I'd fall into the camp that puts FF6 on a pedestal, but it was nowhere near my first experience of the sort, and I've gone nuts with prolly a hundred others since.
It has artistic/entertainment weight from being a video game, but those values would never have made such an impression without FF7 being a technical benchmark.
>>345053834
>FFVI is a bad game with a decent story for its time.
FFVI is a mediocre game with interesting characters, setting and music. But a bad story. Thankfully, the story doesn't interfere with the characters that much compared to other FF games. And some guys like Cyan and Celes actually improve because of their reaction to story events that would cause other FF characters to just give up or whine about.
>FFVII is a bad game with a pretty good story for its time.
FFVII is a mediocre game with a laughable story and setting ruined by the pre rendered backgrounds. It also ruins a fair amount of its cast because of bad story events. Like Cait Sith, Yuffie or even Cloud.
>FFVIII is a game that is so incredibly bad at everything that it ends up being entertaining, like a shitty Ed Wood movie.
The setting and characters personalities in FFVIII are fine. But just like FFVII, the plot ruined the characters after the halfway mark. Literally, put in Disk 3 and suddenly the characters are polar opposites of what they were in Disk 2.
>>345054484
What's bad is that I actually really enjoy a lot of the characters in Crisis Core (even gift-of-the-goddess-kun) but the gameplay and storytelling is just retarded. Mind you, the Nibelheim part was pretty great. Re-writing Aerith was a mistake though
>>345054484
Actually it was written by Nojima, who wrote every Final Fantasy from 7 onwards (with the one exception being 12) and you can thank him for the FF10 radio dramas that even the Japanese fans hated.
>>345052358
>FF4
>shit tier games
But it's the best FF game, senpai.
>>345054461
it's not that hard
Sephiroth is a bad guy and generally crazy.
Shinra is the big bad government full of corruption and thirst for power.
there
now you just have to connect the dots
but really the story centers around the party, which I find good
Corel, Rocket Town, Mideel, Cosmo Canyon
the world just unfolds slowly and you're not sent on the warpath with a clear goal or clear enemies
so you don't like complex stories, that's cool don't play ff7 or watch the usual suspect
stick to more wider reaching media like desperate housewives or Shrek
>>345054813
Summons and the battle system were the only things decent about X imo
>>345054880
>(with the one exception being 12)
And 9, which was written by The Gooch, and 13 which was written by Daisuke Watanabe.
>>345052153
Nothing to debunk. That post is spot on.and I legitimately enjoyed 8
>>345054880
Nojima suffers from Toriyama sickness also known as Kojima toxicity
>>345049476
It was a great game on release, but there are other notable titles.
Square is very lucky that they actually developed them inhouse, giving them the legacy in the 90's.
I liked playing VIII after, but I wasn't a teenager (10 years old );
In order;
IV,V,VI, Chrono Trigger, IX (Only had the first disc), X (back in 04), Chrono Cross (Very Beautiful).
There's some other mentions;
Tales of Phantasia, EVO - Search for Eden, Terranigma, Secret of Mana, and Breath of Fire 2. + Tactics Ogre (Snes)
I have such fond memories, I went through them thoughout school.
>>345055121
wait, who is Nojima's waifu? Tifa? since she is basically reiterated in Rinoa, Dagger, and Yuna?
>>345055254
Christ don't make that comparison.
because professor hojo gave me a very uncomfortable fetish for mad scientists and i have trouble confronting these conflicted feelings to this day
i was fucking terrified of him i don't know how it translated to this
>>345054989
No one said it was hard to understand FFVII. Just that its executed poorly. Just like FFX with its endless deflecting to various other characters, but 90% of all that 'world building' becomes pointless once Tidus learns what he has to do.
Just admit that FFVII had a ton of filler. You can like the filler all you want. But its not a well executed story.
>>345049476
Of the games in the series I have played
9>6>7>8
Why is 7 held up on a pedestal so much? is it just because it was the first 3d one?
>>345055254
>Yuna
Lulu is much closer.
>>345051153
I've said since the days of it's release. As a game, it's weak and messy. Story and character wise, uneven but with some cool ideas and themes.
But it did take things learned from FFVII about presentation and made for a really aesthetically emotional ride.
>>345055460
Pretty much yeah. Also being babbies' first JRPG in general. Same with 8 and 10.
>>345052993
>each character actually had backstory/there was no "le mysterious man joins us for no reason lol" bullshit
Outside of the completely optional Gogo and Umaro, that literally doesn't happen in FFVI. Everybody had one reason or another to say fuck the Empire and join you. Please actually play a game before you shitpost about it.
>>345055460
>Why is 7 held up on a pedestal so much?
Do you not know where the phrase BABY'S FIRST RPG came from?
>>345050765
Just gotta say, ff8's visuals only beast 7 in the char models (meles on screen, not design) and cut scenes. The backgrounds in 8 are all done at weird angles (to the detriment of gameplay) and don't have the depth and detail of those in 7.
All other categories of the games 7 is better then 8.
Even if you prefer the chars and story of 8 you must concede that the whole stories appeal can be easily tanked if you happen to not think Rinoah is cute.
>>345055418
I'd love to hear the details of how it's not well executed.
Just because it shifts focus?
Tons of great stories do that.
>>345055619
I'll give it credit I liked the materia system a lot and it was a lot better than the junction system in 8.
But 7 just wasn't particularly mindblowing to me but then again that might be because I played it for the first time only a year ago.
>>345055740
Pokémon?
>>345052463
People actually like those god forsaken minigames? Easily one of the worst parts about VII
>>345053698
>the Sephiroth you fight is Jenova
>muh headcanon
>>345055752
>in the char models
maybe it's an uncanny valley thing but I didn't like them
>>345055879
>Pokémon?
Fuck off, underage.
>>345055752
>implying implications
Both FF7 and SaGa Frontier had backgrounds that were regularly a total fucking nightmare to navigate because they were too fucking low-res to tell where you were actually supposed to go.
>>345055893
Snowboarding and Crazy Motorcycle were awesome, everything else sucked.
>>345055254
Tifa was nothing like Yuna
Tifa was actually decently likable, and it didn't feel like the game was trying to force us to love her every fucking second she was on screen
>>345055936
What?
pokemon came out the same year as ff7
>>345055936
>Underage
Exactly. Hence why it's BABY'S first RPG
>>345049476
Final Fantasy VII is a great 1st gen. game for the PS, but it's aged like smegma. So many God-damned bugs, such poor sound quality (great composition though for the music), story with so many holes you can fly a 767 through them and inconsistencies galore, Materia system is just as fundamentally broken as the Junction system in VIII...
I loved the game when it was released when I was 19, but holy fuck I can't stand to play through it anymore.
>>345056103
And one of them has been frequently insulted as being Baby's First RPG. Spoilers: It wasn't Pokemon.
>>345056040
fort condor was kind of half assed, but it was a good break from the rest of the game
>>345056190
>So many God-damned bugs
I don't remember
which ones?
>inb4 no reply
>>345056203
Well I was unfamiliar with the insult
I took a guess since they are both overly simplistic jrpgs released about the same time.
>>345055740
At least it had a better soundtrack than most FF games because Sasai is a better composer than Uematsu is.
>>345049476
Dragon Quest IX exists
Anyone else feel that ff7 feels closer to Super Mario RPG then any of the paper/partner mario games or other JRPGS?
Obviously being made as a mario/FF in 90s by square would make it like ff7, but really so many little sound effects and subtle things remind me of SMRPG.
>>345056048
>it didn't feel like the game was trying to force us to love her every fucking second she was on screen
Tifa's rather boring though as her entire existence as a character is tied to Cloud. She doesn't really have any defining traits, she's extremely bland.
Damn shame too since she's hot as fug
>>345055893
It was better than nothing. Especially considering 8 and 9 were pretty bereft of content for a big budget ps1 jrpg. nothing beat dq7 though.
>>345056373
>'90s
>>345055923
Play the game again. They explain it multiple times.
>>345056660
I'd still take that over some overly cutesy bratty cunt like Rinoa.
It was the first Final Fantasy to be tainted by Nomura, and the series largely hasn't recovered since.
>>345057014
Final fantasy love interests tend to be completely void of personality. Hell, the three chicks of 7, 8, and 9 even look the same in the field graphics.
>>345056660
she's just the average village girl
who trained to become a fighter
and joined a terrorist group
I don't know, she didn't stand out much but I feel she wasn't as boring as you make it out to be.
She gets decent character development, although not as good as say Cid or Barret.
>>345056319
So you wanna be spoonfed, hmm? Fine, maggot:
W-Item duplication bug - I abused the fuck outta this.
Gil Plus Materia bug - always gives double Gil even at 1 star.
Magic Defense bug - all Magic Defense values in all armors are useless as the stat is never used when calculating damage on a target.
Using Elixirs in battle triggers the Cover ability.
Darkness status doesn't affect enemies.
The Save Crystal glitch that can permanently fuck-up your save.
Here's a full list for you, you lazy worm: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Final_Fantasy_VII_Bugs
>>345057192
That'd be FFVI.
>>345049476
Because Final Fantasy Tactics was released in 1997.
>>345057218
Compared to most other FF girls and even Yuffie+Aerith she's extremely underwhelming. She's definitely bottom of the barrel in terms of characters in her own game and even more in the entire series.
>>345057213
And 10. In fact they're pretty much the same 3 recycled archetypes
>the genki girl (Yuffie, Selphie, Eiko and Rikku)
>the T&A fanservice chick (Tifa, Quistis and Lulu, IX seems to be missing one)
>the "pure" waifu (Aeris, Rinoa, Princess Garnet/Dagger and Yuna)
>>345057380
Man did I feel like shit for getting Boco poach'd two battles after I got him
Also, I don't think SRPGs can be jRPG
>>345057738
Beatrix. Lani too, but she was never playable.
>>345057771
SRPGs are RPGs, and FFT is Japanese, so it's an SJRPG.
SWRPGs exist too, like Shadowrun and Jagged Alliance.
>>345057738
Garnet was basically T&A and pure simultaneously
There's also a weird disconnect since Tifa is more 'pure' in personality whereas Aeris wasn't 'pure' until the Compilation, Rinoa was canonically a slut, and Garnet was a lot more playful then I thought she'd be as a princess. Yuna was really the only 'pure' one and she was boring as shit as a result
>>345058026
That reminds me I need to pick up IX again. Also, holy shit her hands are huge. what the fuck
>>345051767
if you explore when the party leaves your company in a random city/hub, they're more often than not found next to each other having a conversation.
>>345055837
Ultimately Shinra, The Turks and even Hojo have no real role. No matter the meddling of any of them, Sephiroth would have still gone through with his plan.
In other words, as I've already pointed out multiple times, they are filler to hide the 'big reveal' of true Sephiroth near the end of Disk 2.
>>345057228
Hilariously, it's still a massive improvement over VI. VII's bugs are mostly less serious and less obvious.
>>345056373
But DQIX isn't even the best one. But all the DQ games from the 90s are better than FFVII.
>>345058213
Super DeFormed art style, like Final Fantasy I-VII (overworld/town characters).
People commonly fuck up the term with "chibi", which implies child-like. With tits & hips like that, she's not chibi.
>>345058424
True. But annoying as all fuck except in a few cases.
>>345058416
Okay, so just because not all bad guys are the big bad guy the story is bad?
I don't get it.
Yes of course the goal is to defeat Sephiroth from the get go, he slaughtered tons of people, although you're pretty much just chasing him and being toyed with for the greater part of the game.
But the rest of them play important roles in the story in parallel.
I don't get why you think it's bad.
>>345056373
Dragon Quest 3 and 5
>>345058094
Lulu was even worse. She literally had zero character outside her boobs and even less relevance to the story than Kimahri.
>>345058878
>Okay, so just because not all bad guys are the big bad guy the story is bad?
No. Can you even read? The point that the story keeps deflecting to a host of other people rather than showing Sephiroth, even going so far as to have a fake Sephiroth running around, makes it bad. And when they finally do reveal Sephiroth, he's little more than a generic evil guy who wants power. Instead of spending the first 2 disks developing him as a character, they wasted it on half a dozen other filler antagonists. Its as bad as the sorceress in FFVIII.
>>345050494
this is true
FF8 is the best best PSX FF by a huge margin
>>345049476
FF6 was the best jrpg of the '90s.
>>345058026
I wouldn't really count beatrix as playable. Like yeah for a short segment, but not a real party member. Also lol what do you mean brahne was being controlled. That means all that genocide I committed was suddenly wrong!
>>345058902
I don't think Lulu is that great, but she clearly had a personality and backstory. Though it would probably help if you watched a lot of anime, since her (like almost any other FF character) is based heavily on anime cliches.
Or if you don't recognize anime cliche's just think of her as Wednesday Addams all grown up. Complete with being in love with a dorky spaz.
>he didnt play ff7 when it came out in middle school
i dont envy your life
>People are arguing what the best JRPG is instead of collectively laughing at faggots with shit tastes in games
Look. All JRPGS are good in their own way.
Except Persona 4.
>>345049476
because FF6 came out in the 90s
>>345059130
Eh. Most of the post vi ffs do that. Like it's brahne, then it's kuja, then it's garland, then it's kuja again. then it's that stupid thing out of nowhere. or it's seymour until the whole yevon thing is poorly explained.
>>345059130
>even going so far as to have a fake Sephiroth running around, makes it bad
how does a moving enemy make the story bad?
>And when they finally do reveal Sephiroth, he's little more than a generic evil guy who wants power.
Gee I thought Rufus was the evil guy who wanted power.
>Instead of spending the first 2 disks developing him as a character
I take it you forgot about Mideel and the other dozen story events that flesh out his character.
What did you want? A flashback to Sephiroth's childhood how the other kids bullied him because he carried a 9 foot sword around?
>>345049476
It's notjust the greatest JRPG of the '90s, it's the greatest game of all time.
>>345059505
DOO DA DOO DOO
>>345050494
I'm on disc 3 of this game and I don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is. Story is a bit lackluster but overall not terrible, characters are pretty decent (aside from Selphie).
Junction itself is pretty interesting and unique and while it is very easy to break the game with it I still have fun with it. So far I'd say 7 is a bit better but I also don't think 7 is a 10/10 like most people. It's more like an 8/10 honestly.
>>345051170
That this distinction needs to be made is funny.
>>345059424
All I know of her backstory is that she MAYBE was romantically involved with Wakka's dead brother Chappu.
How do you compete with THIS?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1PMLERowSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU5c7-5xG-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0WdQDPRwb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSt-fNv5d68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t_5O2efM0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHNglyAG4Pw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byc1STDKiMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9iLj1VP2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gHEyKTwaBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vidRY-0MiI
HONESTLY. Is this the most comfy/amazing soundtrack of all time? Nothing competes with it.
>>345059543
why persona 4? I never got far in it. something about the dungeons kinda turned me off, but it seemed alright.
>>345059761
You honestly think Rinoa is decent but not Selphie?
>>345059814
For all the shit 8 gets, it's still my favorite game ost.
>>345059814
Thanks for reminding me that FF8 is dogshit.
Japanese Squall is by far the best FF MC
>>345059941
Nani?
>>345059593
>I emulated FF6 because /v/ told me it was the best FF
FF6 isn't even the best 2D FF.
>>345059814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dnl6NoEVdo
you serious?
>>345059970
What's he like in japanese?
>>345059994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr4eB0WOwN0
That game can't compare. Don't even bait me.
>>345059786
She was not just romantically involved. She was his fiancee. And she talked him into going on the pilgrimage, where he ultimately didn't return.
>HONESTLY. Is this the most comfy/amazing soundtrack of all time? Nothing competes with it.
FFVIII is one of my favorite FF soundtracks and definitely the high point of the game. But its not the comfiest or best OST in gaming by far.
>>345059595
I agree. Which is why I mentioned both FFVIII and X in previous posts. That other guy just can't see it for some reason.
>>345059814
The Castle was really good, the rest were unimpressive.
>>345060072
Completely different. For instance, anytime Squall says "Whatever..." In the American version, he's actually saying "Sorry..."
He's a much more sympathetic and enduring character.
>>345059383
Well, it's either having Beatrix as the titty queen of FFIX, or have Garnet/Dagger/Sarah take the role of Pure Heart/T&A Queen.
>>345059878
I mean some of Rinoa's actions are a bit silly like wanting Squall's ring for w/e reason but aside from that I don't really have any issues with her. Selphie's kinda just... there.
>>345060182
The soundtrack is huge. there's many more amazing tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn0T6Xh5VXY
Just go listen to the soundtrack, it's like 5 hours long.
>>345060096
Dude stop embarassing yourself
https://youtu.be/nBLZM9hPKks
>>345059994
>hear that song anytime I step onto the Highwind
>hear that song for 75% of Disk 2 and 3
Honestly, it got annoying. FFVII has probably three of the top 5 FF songs in my opinion. But outside of those three songs, a lot of the OST is background music. And gets very repetitive. At least a song like Balamb Garden or Man with the Machine Gun didn't get annoying after hearing it for 3-4 hours. While in FFVII, the overworld theme is the only song I could say I could listen to for a few hours straight. And then in Disk 2, it changes to generic evil music because of the damn meteor.
>>345059843
>Removed a bunch of status spells
>Dungeons suck
>Cast was annoying as fuck
>Following Persona 3, only the Gary Stu could change Personas
>The Social Link system is a chore
>Final boss wasn't even that amazing of a reveal. "It was this gay eyeball all along guys."
>Was responsible for all of the shit spin-offs sans Q along with manga and anime that sucked even more somehow
I could go on for weeks about why I hate it.
But don't let my opinion decide for you anon. If you end up liking it then by all meams, enjoy it.
>>345060220
>sorry
Why am I picturing canadian squall now?
>>345060229
Eh, if you go with anyone in the game, why not lani or ruby? hell, you could even go with furbait or loli. But if it's just party members, I'd go with ohh soft over general faceturn.
>>345060359
>baiting this hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmJosFyG6k
educate yourself
>>345060372
ix had that exact same problem. replacing the great overworld theme with the shitty foreboding one.
>>345060235
Selphie has her whole backstory about trying to save her GARDEN. And then after she can't, you go back there and see all the graves. It doesn't get as much attention as Rinoa's story, but its a hell of a lot better. The end of Disk 2 and everything after is probably the most forced love story I've seen tied with Star Wars Episode II and III. Even Squall himself points out how cheesy and obvious it is that everyone is trying to pair him up with Rinoa. And then magically at the start of Disk 3, he goes from being annoyed with Rinoa to suddenly being obsessed with her. For absolutely no reason. Just like Anakin.
>>345060372
the ff7 ost stuck with me more
idk why
both are very good I'm just b8ing
https://youtu.be/-lOv3tmcJnQ
>>345051153
>fails to create a world with any credulity
I didn't realize that before, but that's true.
All the other FF games, their worlds felt like a cohesive world, with the locations all linked together and part of it, and parts of the world affecting other parts of the world.
FF8's the only one where it felt like Square just shit a bunch of places on to the map and said "there you go, play in that."
FF6 trumps it in almost every regard
perfect blend of the two staple settings in FF
perfect blend between open world and railroaded gameplay
perfect customisation system and battle system
great graphics for its platform
outstanding music
and by far and away the best story to ever grace the FF franchise
>>345059814
>The Landing
I swear this track is even more overrated than TMWTMG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8NGDsnv34M
Here is a much more iconic and overall better theme.
>>345059786
They were engaged to be wed. Lulu and Chappu were fucking like bunnies, until she convinced him to join the Crusaders and toss his life away.
Lulu's Tragic backstory: She, along with Wakka & Chappu, were orphaned by Sin when it destroyed Besaid when she was 5. She and the others befriended Yuna when she was brought to the rebuilt Besaid by Kimahri, and became a Guardian to two other Summoners before joining with Yuna in an effort to keep Yuna from having to go through her her plan of becoming a summoner and dying against Sin. Obviously she failed, because she's a weak little shit whose still-growing tits got in the way of her spellwork.
No-one knows where she got the dress from, though rumor suggests the belts are trophies from her many sexual conquests while she was out "pilgrimaging" with the other Summoners (both male, btw).
>>345060712
>perfect customisation system and battle system
Fuck no, it has some of the worst of both in the series.
>>345060831
relics/armour/magicite > materia
>>345060729
>Here's a much better theme
Says who?
The Dollet beach landing is much more iconic than that games shit fest presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_HxjU8TolU
this scene is much more iconic than anything FF7 has to offer presentation wise.
>>345059814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0WdQDPRwb4
I remember when I first got this game and was playing it in my room with the door open, which was next to the kitchen. Once that song came on my mother shouted out, >"Finally some music from that game you're playing that doesn't suck!"
She'd never used the term suck like that before. I was rather surprised. Odd things one remembers even 15+ years later.
>>345060994
>this scene is much more iconic than anything FF7 has to offer presentation wise.
and here it is
you almost fooled us shitpost-sama
>>345060235
>wanting Squall's ring for w/e reason
She wanted for one of two reasons.
1. So he'd have an excuse to come and see her again to get it back
2. She wanted something of his, like a keepsake to remember him by because, you know, he goes on fucking suicide missions all the time and battles gods and shit.
>>345061069
I'm not shitposting.
FF7 has nothing presentation wise that even remotely compares to FF8. Take off your nostalgia goggles cuck.
Why does every FF game start off with a nice concept and good characters, then fall apart somewhere in the second half. Which ultimately makes the first half of the story pointless?
Are they doing it on purpose? Do they think plot twists make the story more 'deep'? I mean, every FF game I've played except maybe III has done this. And it just makes me not want to keep playing to the end.
>>345060994
What, that's it? Just a fancy looking cinematic? Thanks but I'd much rather be PLAYING the mission.
>>345054410
Fuck the great crystal. I spent four hours in there my first time because I hated it so much that I did everything I wanted to get done in there before I left so I'd never have to go back. Running around scared shitless from everything while at level 40 trying to get treasure and barely beating Ultima was one hell of an experience.
>>345060729
I'd argue you on that one. The Landing was one of the better tracks in that game.
>>345060919
>relics that don't boost magic one way or another are useless unless they're the Merit Award, Offering, or Genji Gloves, and even then they're only good because they interact with broken equipment
>implying there's an interesting choice to make with armor like there was in FFV
>implying the Esper system isn't one of the worst in any FF, between VI's fellating of magic power by making it the only stat worth a shit, being able to give anyone but Umaro any spell in the game, and magic being retardedly broken compared to all but two character commands
No. VI a shit.
>>345061178
No. There's no video of the entire thing. It lasts like an hour.
>>345061162
FFV was all about Exdeath the whole time. I don't see how it fell apart at all.
>>345061128
Its pretty obvious why Rinoa wants the ring and it does a good job of showing she's a compulsive teenager that doesn't think. However, to do it in the middle of a major attack and to have zero mention of the ring up to that point, its just fucking horrible story-telling. Then while Squall is trying to rush back to the Garden, Rinoa stops him and starts questioning him about his Lion necklace...
Its like, who the hell wrote this? Did a 12 year old girl suddenly take over the direction of this one scene?
>>345060994
>the running animation of those soldiers
Even Beast Wars looks better than that shit.
>>345061353
V and XI are the only ones I haven't played.
>>345061365
>Did a 12 year old girl suddenly take over the direction of this one scene?
She was 15, actually.
>>345060712
>and by far and away the best story to ever grace the FF franchise
No, m8, come on. It's good for a SNES-era RPG but it doesn't even come close to even the worst of the PS1 games.
The only thing FF6 has over 7 is the music.
>>345061376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-820fdXXU
dude the CGI scenes in this were legendary for the time
>>345061438
You should play V. Especially either the GBA game or one using that script.
Great game.
XI & XIV I couldn't tell you about.
>>345061525
7's soundtrack is better.
>>345060659
It was rather sudden but I kinda just chalked that up to the typical "don't know what you've lost until it's gone". Definitely could have been done a lot better I will agree with that especially since near the end of disc 2 he starts to tolerate her more. Had it been done a lot earlier than that it would make more sense.
Also anyone care to tell me how much of the game I have left? Just got to that futuristic looking city, Esthar I think? Even though I've mostly enjoyed playing this I really just want to get to IX.
>>345061438
I'm playing through xiv right now. are the villains in that game any good? It's kind of hard to take the garlean empire seriously when it's so obtusely the galactic empire. Like at least vi and xii were kind of subtle about it.
>>345061376
Those CG scenes were some of the best ever seen in a video game at that time.
>>345061473
According to the FF wiki she's 17
>>345061525
Said nobody who actually played SNES RPGs. Almost every other major RPG on the system and tons of more obscure ones blow FFVI right out of the water.
>>345061628
No, they're all Power Ranger ripoffs. Then later on, they pull out the 'your friends have been corrupted' plot twist. And take the most useless female in FF history (Milfina) and turn her evil.
>>345060994
>some generic beach landing but done in CGI and featuring teenagers
Uh thanks but no thanks.
>>345061548
Composition is great. Sample rate sucks ass.
>>345053431
This is dumb,the whole plot of ffvii is chasing down sephiroth,the other guys are just there for you to the up lose ends.
>>345061709
I don't know why you guys are fighting. Tons of SNES JRPGs beat any of the FF games on Super Famicom. Wither you're considering IV, V or VI, they're all beaten by games in other series.
You're literally arguing over which is the least bad.
>>345061640
Folks at Nintendo of America claim she was 19.
>>345060220
>Whatever...
I like the Whatever Squall better.
>>345061898
>Nintendo of America
And why should we care what they think?
>>345061827
I agree, it is dumb.
>the other guys are just there for you to the up lose ends.
Which is why its dumb. Especially since none of the named characters except Hojo tie up anything. Rufus is a generic evil guy who fails and is killed by his own means. The Turks are just comedic filler enemies. Rufus' dad and all his cronies are pointless as well.
So basically, they were all just a big distraction when the game should have been focusing on Sephiroth.
>>345061836
>Tons of SNES JRPGs beat any of the FF games on Super Famicom
I can only think of a few that are obviously better than FFV, so no, I can't agree with that.
>>345061981
FF7 has no coherent plot and none of it makes sense including the ending
FF8 is one of the few that actually ties up all the loose ends of the story.
reminder that Hojo is an actual ballerthe lighthearted bits is what I miss most in other ff
>>345061949
We don't. No-one ever does. I mean, they don't know their dick from their nose and can't find their asshole even with a map, compass, Big Key, GPS unit, and AAA.
>>345061981
It's a 40+ hour game, man. You don't focus on a single antagonist for 40 hours. That's like saying Saruman and Gollum were just big distractions in LotR.
>>345062069
>FF7 has no coherent plot and none of it makes sense
What is incoherent about it? It's relatively straightforward. Even the ending, while ambiguous, isn't complicated.
>>345062069
>8
>Trying up loose ends.
OK sure thing bud, I even like 8 but it doesn't tie up lose ends.
>>345062347
Name one loose end that wasn't tied up.
>>345062237
>It's a 40+ hour game, man. You don't focus on a single antagonist for 40 hours.
Plenty of other games have done it. Final Fantasy games just think plot twists and hiding development makes a story seem deep. Its not limited to FFVII, as was pointed out in this thread.
>>345062373
Go ahead try to explain it you literally can't.
>>345062347
While FFVIII was done poorly, it was one of the few games which doesn't need a sequel or remake to complete its story. Ultemecia is stopped, Squall and Rinoa get together, Laguna is reunited with Ellone and time is fixed.
Compare that to FFVII where the creators themselves tried to 'fix' the story with half a dozen sequels and a movie. And it just made things worse.
>>345050494
I bought this recently for the first time, and I don't think it's very good. I played FF7 for the first time a couple years ago and its in my top 3 games ever played. So you can't say its just dated. No nostalgia blinders, 7 is better than 8 in my opinion. By a huge margin.
>>345062151
What the fuck does any of this have to do with anything in this thread? How is it related at all to FFVIII? Get the fuck out of here.
>>345062559
>FFVII where the creators themselves tried to 'fix' the story
There was nothing that needed fixing. The only thing the creators were trying to fix was their wallets.
>>345062408
Christ dude, is it really too much of a mindbreaker to have multiple arcs and antagonists in one fucking game?
And plot twists don't make a bad story, that's a meme from 15 years ago.
>>345062559
>Compare that to FFVII where the creators themselves tried to 'fix' the story with half a dozen sequels and a movie. And it just made things worse.
the story was perfectly fine at the end of the game
>>345062559
I'm not defending 7 but I'm saying 8 can't be explained with the translation it has now. But 7 was obviously a cash grab.
>>345062559
>Compare that to FFVII where the creators themselves tried to 'fix' the story with half a dozen sequels and a movie.
The movie itself was just dumb fanwank, even the creators themselves admitted it. Crisis Core was just Zack's side of the story. Dirge of Cerberus was an all new story that nobody wants to remember ever happening.
>>345062109
Reminder that all of the lighthearted shit that made FFVII fun will be removed for the remake.
>>345062559
>While FFVIII was done poorly, it was one of the few games which doesn't need a sequel or remake to complete its story. Ultemecia is stopped, Squall and Rinoa get together, Laguna is reunited with Ellone and time is fixed.
So you're saying you can't explain the pic provided earlier?
>>345062781
Gunna be like the movie. Depressing and boring as shit, plus ruined characters.Or it might actually be good, who knows. I'm sure it'll be fine.
