Why are DOTAfags so elitist about their game?
It's just a small step up from LoL, yet they act like they are playing Starquake: Brood Arena.
>>345033887
>small step up
more like leaps and bounds
>>345033887
Dota and LoL are now the same bullshit, every patch they make the game more child friendly.
Game died when comeback gold was introduced
Are you really shocked that blizzardfags/valvefags are on a high horse?
Are you really and truly shocked by that?
That is like a requirement.
>>345033998
It's essentially the same game, you sperg.
>>345034138
No it isn't.
>>345033887
STOP
STOP PLAYING DOTA OR LOL OR ANY MOBA
fucking waste of huge time so much time, stop playing them
part of me wants to go back and play it because I remember the good times I had it, genuine fun but then I remember all of the terrible shit that outweighed it fully
>>345034275
>5 vs 5
>Heroes with mostly 4 skills each and 1 ultimate
>Leveling up leveling 1 skill at a time and the ult at lvl 6
>Kill creeps for exp and gold
>Buy items with gold
>Both teams have minions that span automatically
>Both games have neutral enemies
>Heroes fall in the roles carry, support, gank, tank
>You win by killing the main building
I could go on forever like that. There are WAY more similarities then differences and if you don't think so you're deluded.
>>345034823
Well considering you are just boiling it down to the basics, i could very easily say that all games are the same as other games
doesn't mean you're right
it just happens anytime you have 2 comparable things and one is less popular than the other, fans of the less popular thing feel more inclined to defend it/attack the more popular thing.
>>345034947
List some big differences then.
>inb4 Ummm... well, you can kill ur own dudes and u can buy stuff from the shop with a pet and some spells are different... totally different game!!! :DDD
>>345035331
Why are you so angry? What provoked you? If i said they are the literal exact copypasted game would you stop crying?
>>345035576
>Dodging the question.
>>345035769
You are just furious arent you?
>>345036067
Wow you are that non selfaware
>>345036067
>Resorting to "u mad" and frogposting.
I rest my case.
>>345034689
>not playing HoTS in your spare time because of your attachment to classic Blizzard characters
>>345036206
>>345036210
easiest yous of my life
>>345036067
Why are you defending a casual game so hard?
>>345036507
Prove that it's casual, i'll wait
>>345034947
Both Mario and Sonic involves you holding right and jumping until you reach the goal.
Guess they are the same game, right?
>promised glorious golden age of WC3 mods again
>mods come out
>years on and it's still nothing but buggy shitheaps whilst Valve doesn't give a shit about anything outside of muh vanity items
>>345036757
According to his argument, yes.
The legend of Zelda and Dragons Dogma are the same game since you're just the chosen one beating shit up with a sword
>>345036881
BULLSHIT, nigger. You're strawmanning super hard right now. How do you live with yourself?
DotA and LoL are way, way, WAY closer in mechanics.
>>345036757
>>345036881
>stating a plethora of key mechanics in boths games being the same is the same as giving a single incredibly generalized theme between two games
wew faggots.
>>345033887
When someone from the LoL dev team says Mana burning is cancerous you know they've done something right.
Plus that prizepool, bruh.
>lolfags in full damage control
>>345035331
i thought you'd never ask!
>death timers are longer, making kills actually valuable
>lose money on death, making dying actually valuable
>no forced, boring meta that's been the same for the entire lifespan of the game
>towers aren't get-out-of-jail-free cards babbys can run to when it's getting too dangerous
>creeps are stronger and not just dummies for farming
>heroes have turn speed, affecting your decision making when running away
and my favorite:
>Dota's heroes aren't afraid to be powerful
dota isn't a small step up from league. league is a giant leap and bound down from dota to appeal to more idiots. ask anyone who's actually played both games
>>345033998
This.
So much this.
>>345037217
>barely 8
>a plethora
you wouldn't have to exaggerate so much if you weren't so wrong
>>345037758
All the things you mention are small value tweaks to the same thing. I said "big differences".
can you do this in league?
checkmate, atheists
>>345037758
It's not just turn speed, it's a large variety of animation speeds
>Dota's heroes aren't afraid to be powerful
To the degree that some abilities seem absolutely broken on paper but make everything more interesting in practice.
Alright DOTA is superior, we all know that.
But I haven't played league in a long time, and even then it was very little.
I want to know. Is there as much depth to lane control as there is in DOTA?
>I don't think you can deny creeps
>I dont think you can fuck with aggro in a way that lets you stack waves, or force waves to die in the jungle
If i remember right, they had to make the game simpler because lolfags are simpletons.
>There is no mana burning.
>I dont think there are interactions like tossing friendly heros like Dota's tiny
>I dont think creeps have any interactions with Blitzcrank's hook
What else am i missing?
>tfw I find both boring but still play dota over League
>tfw I'm about to have 1000 hours in dota and only level 13 in League
>tfw I've experienced more assholes in league than in dota
>>345038214
This
>>345037248
fempugna is a miracle.
>>345038382
You can't creep block.
>>345038449
>not liking FemSS
>>345038536
Do you have any control over tower aggro? In DOTA you can dive under a tower and force the tower to change targets if you attack command a friendly creep
And on that note, are there any League spell/abilities that interact with towers?
Nothing wrong with being elitistNatural Selection 2,Any RTS/Fighter genre
Well i guess League shitters went back into hiding
post dotafus
>>345037758
>death timers are longer, making kills actually valuable
>lose money on death, making dying actually valuable
So, it's the SAME, just a bit more punishing.
>no forced, boring meta that's been the same for the entire lifespan of the game
So it's the SAME, with different heroes.
>towers aren't get-out-of-jail-free cards babbys can run to when it's getting too dangerous
>creeps are stronger and not just dummies for farming
So it's the SAME, just the turrets and creeps are a bit stronger.
>heroes have turn speed, affecting your decision making when running away
Actually a (small) difference.
>Dota's heroes aren't afraid to be powerful
So it's the SAME, with different balancing.
EL
OL
EL
With your post you confirmed more similarities than differences.
>>345038382
don't forget league's champs are just underwhelming because riot's too afraid to make anything crazy
guy gets hit by everyone's ultis and the tower still has to finish him off
>>345038880
discuss this
>>345038667
and this
>>345038382
>>345036868
not only that, they actually added p2w maps
i feel valve is completely out of touch with the players
>>345033887
They're very conscious about the fact that League is way, way more popular. You saw the same types of players on Korean MMOs when WoW was taking off
>>345038936
Are league ultimate abilities just glorified aoe/line nukes?
HMM
Both games are garbage, especially dota2, why? valve. Look at all of leagues matchmaking queuing options, now look at dota2.
This game had potential but they just add bullshit and microtransactions ot fuck everyone over
5.5k player (also played league)
>>345039171
Custom games in DOTA effectively dwarf the matchmaking queuing options in league
So by your argument, DOTA is better
>Pick TB
>Win
Dotards ???
>>345039346
Nobody cares about fucking retarded 2k shitter custom games, everyone plays for the game they came for, i.e a moba
Its not only that, the biggest problem is making the game easier and easier to play, the skill curve is flattening and not as big anymore
>>345039543
>haha n-nobody cares l-lol
>the game is becoming easier because umm...
>g-get fucked dotard
>>345039108
No. There are some like that but most are different.
>>345038449
There should be more of her
Dota is a superior in every fucking way.
>>345039543
>the biggest problem is making the game easier and easier to play, the skill curve is flattening and not as big anymore
actually, unironically saying the same thing 3 times as 'evidence' that it's true.
>>345039163
Here, fishy-fishy!
>>345038871
>>345039664
>>345039841
>Evidence that its getting easier
You want to know how I know youre shit at the game?you had to ask that
>>345038880
>So, it's the SAME, just a bit more punishing
>So it's the SAME, just the turrets and creeps are a bit stronger.
this affects every decision you make in the game. In league you're free to be an idiot in more situations, but in dota fuck ups actually matter. Death timers also very largely affect the possibility of comebacks and turnarounds
>So it's the SAME, with different heroes
i'm honestly very confused with how you were able to even come up with this one. that was the biggest difference on that list
>Actually a (small) difference
and the other ones weren't?
>So it's the SAME, with different balancing
nothing in the pic related is even remotely possible in the league, so i'd say that's a bit different
>>345039845
>not short stack fem slark
delete it
>>345038871
>>345039437
>51% winrate in pubs
>>345039951
So no argument then? Ok moving on.
Also the discussion i wanted to have about
>>345038667
and
>>345038382
Anyone? Lolfags?
>>345033887
I thought of it more as pushback against normies who generally prefer League, but I do agree that they do act elitist
I barely play dota anymore though, I only playimba
>>345039961
Don't forget the major differences in the map that give rise to radically different strategies.
>tfw getting back into league slowly now that jungle diversity is really big
>>345039951
>ask
nobody asked anything
This game has gotten worse over the years. It's so much more casual now, I absolutely hate the arcane and bounty runes. Icefrog is a moron.
DOTA 2 is basically League but with calvinball esque rules
like "You can kill this hero in one hit but only at night on a tuesday"
it basically survives on having nonsensical gameplay mechanics that require you to read pages and pages of text online just you can learn every dumb little gimmick that certain heroes and items have, thereby making those who go through this process feel like "epic 1337 gamerz"
that being said, after playing league for years, riot is the worst goddamn company on earth and i'd rather learn dota 2 and its nonsensical bullshit than to go back to league any day of the week
>>345040116
>So no argument then? Ok moving on.
Why are you looking for "discussions" on the internet, you clearly don't even have enough experience playing the game to even know what you're 'discussing'.
>inb4 you started playing dota2
what mmr are you
> LoLfags completely ignore the DOTA item shop every time.
Every hero can have stealth and backstab. Every hero can have spell immunity. Every hero can have teleport.
Game meta is not exclusive to certain heroes. This opens up much more focus on player skill.
>>345040197
RIP Bankplank
The removal of GP5 items was one of the first major reasons why I quit league.
>Oh this item can be used by other people for reasons that we didn't think of
>GOTTA REMOVE THEM
>>345040376
>Why are you looking for "discussions" on the internet
I got sick of dota when i realized that valve is just going to rotate the meta every year and the game will simultaneously never be the same or new.
seriously we've come full circle back to like ti2 meta with buyback gold not being disabled
>>345040376
>Why are you looking for "discussions" on the internet,
>>345040362
aside from some elitism here and there, it's actually really satisfying and fun. if that's what people like about it good for them
>>345033998
Yeah this, the mechanics, balance, and gameplay direction are far better than league
Plus you don't have to pay for anything (if you didn't start playing league at least before 2013 there is no way you have all the heroes, at least 5 rune pages for each role, and decent masteries for each role unless you are an ULTRA NEET who plays nothing else)
t. ex league player who switched to dota in 2012
PIT
LORD
WHEN?
>>345040610
>>345040481
its 2016 grow up
>>345040861
Hilarious
Dota does not have Flash, Keystone Masteries or Runes bullshit.
That alone makes it a far better game.
They're both pretty crap imo. I don't like the idea of my opponent getting stronger because my ally is shitty. When I play a fighting game the guy I'm against never does double damage because the guy before me got perfected.
I guess what I'm trying to say is team games suck enough without adding snowball.
>>345037217
It's called a game genre you degenerate mong, jesus christ when did /v/ become so brain dead.
>>345040853
http://www.dota2.com/tipofthespear/
If this comic is anything to go by
>SOON
Most likely after or during TI though
>>345041016
summer
>>345040986
and then you realize dota2 dev team unironically takes ideas from /r/dota2
valve and riot are both fucking trash, there is no respectable moba
>>345040657
if it weren't for the wholly loathsome community on both here and in game i'd be more inclined to play dota 2, but it seems like dota 2 players don't want any new people joining in
it's a shame really because league goes way too far in the other direction of being hugboxy garbage
sometimes a nigga just wants gay cuddles and to have a gentle guiding hand but without the bullshit
>>345041283
Fuck that noise i'd play with you
I have nearly 4 thousand hours and the best thing is playing with new players because of how fucking funny it is
>lol how do i give you my gold
>leaves a meepo clone sitting in the middle of nowhere because they don't know what his ultimate does
>gets killed by neutral creeps
>>345033887
If you knew the history between LoL and DotA, you'd understand the animosity.
>>345041515
LoLz EggsD so funny
ppl who enjoy playing with new ppl are probably too shit to climb ranked mmr themselves
dw im not bashing everyone went through this phase, I remember when I was a 4k shitter that only liked playing with my shit friends too
doom and tf2 are literally the same game you guys
>>345041654
Woah, aren't you angry.
Is there a problem with laughter, anon?
>>345041016
Why did you put together 8 screenshots of the same game.
>>345041283
bro dont even bother with dota or league
if you want a moba thats fun, not overly complex, but still takes skill, just play heroes of the storm. the playerbase is far less toxic than lol and elitist than dota and the matches only last about 25 minutes MAX
after 2000+ games of LoL and 2522 hours of dota2 ive decided its really the only moba worth playing consistently
>>345041708
thats untrue
>>345041801
kill yourself blizzard shill
no one wants to play your dead game
>>345041801
>toxic
There's that word again, I wonder whos behind this post
>>345041654
>4k is now shit tier
yeah ok. go back to maining OD mid last patch you fuckin faggot
>>345034823
that's like saying CS:GO and Battlefield are the same game because it's a first person game and the gun is visible to the right bottom corner of the screen.
>>345041801
>toxic
Literally kys
>>345041901
>>345041924
I dont like blizzard either. they dont know how to fucking balance their games and they make terrible decisions but as it stands right now hots if the only moba I can play all day without ragequitting mid match
>>345041924
you might as well accept "toxic" and "moba" as common terms now, even if they did come from shitty riot.
>>345034823
There are like 8 tank heroes in dota and 100 "gankers."
>>345041763
I was genuinely having a giggle when typing that, didnt mean to come out sounding the way it did
>>345041936
>4k is now shit tier
Wait "now"? Is there something you want to tell me anon
>>345041901
>>345041924
>>345042054
>getting this mad over a commonly used term
>>345033887
>Why are DOTAfags so elitist about their game?
Because Valvedrones are the purest form of cancer in the PC community.
>>345038358
Level 1 spells in dota are stronger than league ultimates.
Veil of discord is a moderately priced caster tank item that has a massively powered up version of vlad's ult as an active.
>>345042197
I've only heard people saying 4k was shit in like... the past year or so? so yeah, "now." because in two years 6k will be "shit tier" and on and on it goes. this is why everyone says dota is full of elitists man. 4k players are better than at least 80% of the playerbase and I'm saying this as a 3.5k player that A: has played like 30 ranked matches ever and B: doesn't even play anymore because I got sick of valve's stupid decisions with patches
>>345033887
I used to love warcraft 3 dota but valve dota is just... i don't know it always seemed so shit to me, ugly, weird graphics and especially models of heroes, stupid "banter" and everything is so dull colored and shitty looking, reminds me of hon which i also hated. Also the dota 2 base seems to be the most cancerous in pc game history, it's much worse than in lol
>>345042465
3k is the 95% percentile.
Then again, its probably lower now. Valves rating system is pretty terrible.
>>345042465
>I've only heard people saying 4k was shit in like... the past year or so?
I never knew it was only so recent? I always remember raging in my ranked games couple of years ago about 4ks being dogshit.
>Valve stupid patches
Well yea, once I accepted that valve genuinely doesnt care about the game and only cares about money I stopped caring about this game
>>345042598
Dota2 is just too full of microtransaction bullshit, they deviate their development from improving the game to adding cosmetics. Icefrog fucked up. Id rather have it like guinsoo or whatever the fuck his name is (guy that owns LoL that made dota1) have selling skins only and have development on improving the game
if the games are so similar then there's no reason not to play the better game
in this case, dota 2
>>345042805
>3k is the 95% percentile.
so even if this were true, which i highly doubt, that would mean 4k is better than 95% of players. that's still shit tier?
>>345042805
It can't be lower when idiots keep buying accounts, feed away mmr to normal players and cause inflation.
>>345042928
>that would mean 4k is better than 95% of players. that's still shit tier?
Youre just looking it at a point of view from pure statistics, look how many *new* people there are in dota2, just because 4k's are the top 5% doesnt mean shit, if anything its incredibly misleading, they still don't know efficiency, basic game mechanics or counters or anything.
4k is literal fucking aids, then again my view is biased because if youre at a higher skill lvl anything below you looks bad.
What im trying to say is, when you compare the most optimal way to play the game (i.e highest efficiency) versus a 4k player, you see that theres a giant difference
>>345043078
Buying accounts and feeding mmr is a small factor, the biggest factor is the growing player base. In my ranked days, 5k was leaderboard worthy, now you have to be at a minimum of 7k or some retardation.
An increase in player base is the biggest factor for inflation, assuming that when the game levels out with their player base, mmr will reflect pretty close to true mmr skill value, (even now it does)
But youve got to be willing to grind out games and play by the law of large numbers.
>>345038880
>DISCARDING EVERY DIFFERENCE THE TWO ARE THE SAME
ROLF
>>345038667
In league creeps and towers will automatically put a hero at the top of their shit list for doing ANY damage or debuff to an allied hero IN RANGE. (dota has no range on forcing creeps/towers to attack you, which is situationally useful) In addition to this aggro is gained randomly based on their threat analysis cycle time which can cause delayed aggro and even delayed deaggro. The only way to deaggro is to run the fuck away.
What the fuck? Why is literally every game the same?
>some method of command input
>said input progresses the status of the game
>>345043719
What I like to do is lead the creeps to a neutral camp, gets them off me easier
>>345043078
>>345043389
This fucking bought accounts meme started recently. Ruining games gets me people calling an account buyer, when 2 years ago people just resorted to "2k/3k/4k trash".
>that barely 4k nigga calling out 3ks
>>345043945
League creeps automatically leash back to the lane if they get near the boundaries of it. I've done some shitty creep blocking at the start of the game and have them teleport back to lane because I pushed them too much.
>>345044057
All the 4k player knows how to do better than the 3k player is hit more than 6 creeps a minute.
Both games are pretty garbage
>Shitty community in a game dependent on teamwork
A paywall of any kind keeps out 80% of the brazillian/russian/children shitters. Dota 2 would literally be a better game if it costed money.
>>345043945
Oh about your tower question. It's more or less the same as dota except nothing is specifically designed to be used to push like liquid fire or diabolic edict. Just some attack speed or summons that can help a little.
Also I made a few screenshots of things I hate about trying to learn league.
>>345044269
Wrong lol seeing things from first hand experience (partying with friends from all different skill levels), 4ks tend to know 'how' to use their skills where as 3ks just use them whenever its off cooldown, although not much difference in reality, thats what brings them to 4k than being stuck at 3k.
Even if you farm bad, if you know how to take the correct actions in fights, I guarantee youd win (knowing whether or not to participate, when to go in etc)
>>345041801
this right here. Heroes is just good fun and the heroes are actually interesting to the point of ridiculous. i've never seen anything like abathur in any other game
>>345044523
This one is just infuriating.
>>345044523
Anon I'm a dota player but I also have league installed, and I agree fully. League's abilities are confusing and VERY underpowered and boring compared to Dota's.
>>345044763
HotS would be good if they removed everything that wasn't dragon shrine.
I actually don't have as much of a problem with this image when it comes to HotS because abathur is so good and other heroes are so dull.
Plus none of my friends will play.
I just cant understand why people shits so hard in dota 2, honestly is one of the best game of this generation.
I swear to god every person that thinks that the game is shit, have no patience or adaptation capacity,
play with friends, get stomped together, learn to be good together, you'll have great times and you'll get frustrated
the game is a gaming maturity test, and of course it's full of inmature retards
>>345045061
I picked poison touch because it has different levels that do different things to showcase how league refuses to tell you anything at all about level scaling.
Maybe I should underline the cooldown part to make it more clear.
>>345044763
that shitty game is just too boring, limited starter roster makes this even worse
>bored by the free heroes
>lol u gotta wait until next week famalam lulz!!
>>345044839
>League infobox
- Tiny
- Shows useless information
- Doesn't help newbies know what that hero does
>Dota infobox
- Identifies what items they have
- Shows their abilities and explains what they do
>Leaguefags will defend this
>>345045194
>I just cant understand why people shits so hard in dota 2, honestly is one of the best game of this generation.
In all honesty, dota1 was way better, the games were quality.
Why is that?
Everyone fucking pirated wc3 and used GGC/Garena or whatever you want to call it, no retarded kids playing, everyone had high skill games, if you were shit you were kicked out of the lobby.
Dota2 can be this way too, but they dont bother to fix their game to make it like this
Valve only cares about money, this game will never be good.
>>345044839
love this line.
>Not playing both games
>>345045416
>everyone had high skill games, if you were shit you were kicked out of the lobby.
>being this delusional
>>345045416
>Valve only cares about money
True
>this game will never be good
False
>>345045581
>tfw an anime shitposter shares your opinions
Fuck you
>>345045560
>downloading league of malware
My boyfriend plays league and I play dota.
He gets assmad whenever I talk shit about league it's funny.
>Losing a game
>Team starts either bitching in chat, sitting in fountain/jungle, mass buying couriers to feed enemy, or outright feeding themselves
This game is just not fun playing solo.
>>345045845
Faggot
>>345045783
Anon I...
>Riot only cares about money
fixed it for you man you had a typo
srsly tho id play league again if it wasn't catering to casuals and earning money, you have to buy heroes, grind levels and runes and other trash, wheres the neutral game to have some skill vs skill yo? 1v1 sf mid
>>345045581
Delusional?
I bet you played on battlenet, its not the same thing mate. Well, being in NZ it may have been different from US fags, but our lobbies were tight and everyone knew eachother
>>345045715
>this game will never be good
>false
tell me otherwise, ive played this game since dota1 when invoker could rape a fountain. I doubt you have more experience than me
>>345045908
Fuck that guy, I share your opinion AND like anime
>>345045854
You can only buy a courier once every 5 minutes now, so RIP courier trains. I'll agree on the sit in fountain thing, but it's fun trying to prove those faglords wrong. Felt so good carrying a game as Pudge and going 27-1
>>345045783
>>345045908
Fuck off otakufag
>>345046041
Back the fuck off of my shitpost-waifu???
>League players
>>345045828
>downloading league of malware
what
>>345046062
>team is shit
>go godlike as support
>buy necro to close it out before team can throw
>>345046118
You wanna go, pal?
>>345045828
They stopped doing the pando media booster thing.
They now have the launcher, then the lobby client, then the game client.
>>345046215
>being in the 2k bracket
>>345046290
>league fags still need 3 different pieces of malware in order to run their game
>>345046312
Shit can get weird at 4am us west unranked.
>tfw Dota waifus will never be in game
>>345046383
Oh well, now my paranoia is stabbing me in my back. Why LoL is a malware?
>>345046443
Dota needs more qt lolis
>>345046545
Would anime Meepo work?
>>345046443
>This game will always have heroes with good designs instead of ones made to cater to a bunch of lonely virgins
Thank god
>>345046683
What about loli Pugna?
>>345046714
B-But Qt Gandalf
>>345046753
Ew
>>345046753
I need this as an arcana.
>>345046941
>>345047006
>>345046443
>>345046683
>>345046753
>>345046941
this is the only thing that would make me come back to this shitty game. After all the years ive played I still dont play certain heroes because of how ugly they are in game, seriously.
>>345047126
I still play it regardless anon.
>Tfw killing someone as Silencer
>Tfw you see the blue +2 and -2
>tfw you see who you killed again and see their reduced mana pool
>>345042228
The term was invented, perpetuated, and used by thin-skinned retards.
>>345046836
Thanks, but still i wont playing LoL for a while(i hate my paranoia)
Going to play some all randon doto and maybe start scripting a new gamemode...
>>345047280
In dota1 I didnt mind cause I couldnt see jack shit, every hero was just 10x10 pixels.
But in dota2, I only played cool looking characters, even when the jug meta was around I had to download an arturia pendragon mod to hide jugs ugly face/voice.
>>345047280
>Blitz dropping a troll to 0 int.
Based 13 mana.
>>345047126
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Defence_of_The_Shrines_2
Touhou Dota 2 is in alpha right now, no online servers and only local as of right now.
>>345033887
nobody actually plays mobas tho
>>345047480
http://youtu.be/LA2VPU-VVIk
KEK
All thoses post about genderswap, it reminder me about the early model of Phoenix, what do you guys think?
>>345047628
the problem with this is unable to play ranked matchmaking
>>345046170
Faggy pirate.
>>345047779
Looks like a Gearbox hero voiced by Ashly Burch.
>>345047779
>what do you guys think of this courier
>>345048059
Kek
>>345048495
Is not a courier, its a very early Phoenix model.
If you dont believe, its in the Dota 2 gamepedia
Haven't played this shit game in a month. I guess there is still no Pitlord just more hats for 60bucks
>>345048868
Pitlord probably before september.
>>345048868
Official teasing. He will probably not come out till after TI, but I also don't expect them to pull a Techies with his announcement
>yfw they look to start a standard 5v5 all star match of normal Dota
>suddenly its a custom game when Pit Lord rips a rift in the middle of midlane and you play some kinda defense/boss battle custom
>>345038936
>riot's too afraid to make anything crazy
Have you played League in the past year or so?
>>345040197
>>345040445
Earlier this season GP was broken as hell, and he is coming back into meta again.
>>345045516
>tfw no giant enemy crab hero
>>345050242
>hero with poke, mobility spell, nuke, maybe a 1 second disable thrown in for good measure
Almost everything has some sort of movement aid on top of flash but you won't see any ball lightning or shukuchis.
Some heroes have good disables but you won't see any primal roars or chronospheres.
Some heroes are tanky but you won't see any borrowed times or bristlebacks.
Some heroes have good burst but you won't see any laguna blades or avatosses.
It's just so muted and uniform.
Not to mention items are mostly there just to increase your damage or defense to insane levels. There are so many problems with the game you begin to forget that it was actually based on dota and not some horrible monster that someone created without any experience.
Honestly I would love this game the way I used to if the community wasn't such utter fucking shit.
I don't even mean skillwise. It's frustrating to have a Class A retard on your team, but when that Class A retard acts like a fucking dick for 45 minutes, I can't do it.
>>345051065
From what I recall, the game was designed to deal with all the "problems" with Dota. The "problems" being that some heroes and builds required active planning to deal with. Removing this makes for a tedious, boring, and intellectually insulting game, however. And dota is pretty fucking basic when it comes down to it.
>>345050242
You mean the game where a bunch of champions have overlapping abilities or dumb extra stats or mechanics?
>>345034138
t. lol pro
>>345035331
the entire meta of the game isnt predetermined by its financial model for a start.
>>345035331
The significant differences aren't ones that appear big or apparent, and that's why morons like you think they're the same game and make fools of yourselves over it. If you play even a few matches of both games you'll understand.
The primary difference is how much more variety and impact there is on everything and how unforgiving shit is, it turns it into a totally different game with more of a focus on strategy and spell placement rather than just plugging into a formula and gathering more resources than the other guys so you can do the exact same thing as them with higher numbers.
It's not about different features and mechanics, it's about different design mentalities on the same features that create a very different and deeper game.
This really isn't hard to understand, what you're saying is almost as stupid as saying Quake and Ghost Recon are the same shit because both games have you run around on a map and shoot enemies with guns in first person.
>>345051305
Not him, don't play the game and haven't really been following it, but I have seen some abilities that seem out of character for Riot. One guy can walk through walls, another has a pretty long skill-shot thing that repositions him at the end of it. I think they have introduced an ability that can fuck up your teammate now, too.
>>345051538
Tahm Kench is pretty cool.
You can basically banish another player inside of you and carry them around like lifestealer/stitches for 3 seconds.
You can do it to allies to save them or enemies after you hit them 3 times and they take ~20% of their hp in damage when you spit them out.
You move very slowly while doing it.
He also has a really shitty version of relocate that can't be used while you are being hit and takes 3 seconds to activate while being fairly short range.
>>345051463
Delete this. LoL isn't p2w!
>>345051759
Sounds like they're trying to appeal to a more niche audience. Aren't they losing players?
>>345051463
>not level 30 yet
>basically unable to play damage dealers until I spend the huge amount of time and resources required to make one possible damage type work properly after grinding to 30
You need to play the game for like 10 hours before they even let you step into the jungle, but your jungling will be shit most of the time because lolnodamage.
Dota IMBA / DotS is where it's at
>>345033887
Probably because people like you talk shit about games they don't know anything about.
It's just a defence mechanism.
\>>345052252
>tfw practicing your Invoker in Dota IMBA
nothing feels better than shitting out every known spell and item in existence to dumpster people
>>345051970
They have been making newer spells much more complex while still not being all that powerful.
I think one of the biggest problems in the game is just the way that gold, spells, and damage work.
In dota your damage is based on your draft, your items, and your hero. League is mostly just how much gold you have as every item will ramp up your damage more and more while your spells have less of an effect and most items are just passive stat boosters instead of dota's which are largely more about abilities.
For example dota has two items that increase critical strike chance, with one being more about the active silence/team crit. League has at least seven from what I can tell. Keep in mind league has two damage types where dota really only has one in terms of items.
You get 20 different flavors of stick that really do nothing but make you hit harder when you can count the "pure" damage items in dota on one hand. League is more snowbally because you have no blink dagger or bkb timings, you just have +500 more damage than your opponent because more gold so you win fights.
It makes the games very static and predictable and it won't be fixed by adding new mechanics or heroes.
Actually they just changed the way dragons work to have some rng on what buff you get and now teams are sometimes refusing to do dragons if the buff is movespeed because there is no reason to risk a fight or a trade over a worthless buff when you can just deny your enemy better buffs in the future by not killing it.
>>345034034
I wouldn't say that, I'd say that happened when they started lowering prices of TPs and wards
>>345053313
When I said that league had at least 7 crit items I meant fully completed items only. League also has about half the number of total items as dota.
>>345034823
MK ≠SF
CS ≠Battlefield
Chess ≠Checkers
Poker ≠Blackjack
you see?
>>345035331
1 distance between towers are not the same
2 you can block creeps
3 heroes have 25 lvls
4 you lose gold when you die
5 backdoor buildings
6 roshan and aegis
those are just a few, you can read the patches kid
>>345053313
Those are honestly all of my problems with the game too. Dota is superior, but still flawed, and I have countless hours in that game, and fewer but still many in League.
Not only is there less variety across the board, what they do have, interactions are very minimal so outskilling someone mechanically seems to be the only way to win if you don't just pick the hero's direct counter.
That's interesting that movespeed is worthless in League. I believe it is a very valuable stat in Dota. It isn't even useful early? I remember teams trying to be able to kill dragon early as possible for a nice boost.
>>345054625
The movespeed buff I was talking about is out of combat only.
>>345054571
I was thinking about some of the ways league is not inferior to dota. I think it's just different but equal in some ways but it's hard to really tell.
Baron/dragons are not too bad except for the stealing of them. I prefer dota's ability to steal the gold or the buff or both than just hitting the thing once then getting all the benefits.
I think the more static environments with walls being everywhere isn't too bad and has a lot of interactions instead of the destroy-able and height based environment dota has. The bush isn't too bad.
>2100 hours
>low 2k mmr
just fuck my shit up
>1800 hours
>4k mmr
>didn't play for a year and can't win unranked matches now
i'll keep my mmr like that forever
>>345054625
I also really hate the way map control works.
The jungle is so open to anyone and you can't tp to towers so towers are just worthless outside of not giving away gold to the enemy team.
I have seen pro teams just trade towers repeatedly just to get them off the map because it doesn't matter strategically to lose them if you are trading for other towers.
Sure trades happen in dota but giving away your t1 mid for a t1 safe is a bad trade. Map control in league just means spamming wards everywhere and roaming well, though ganking is very difficult as flash and 1000 escape spells exist.
I also have no idea why there is no stash. I understand and approve of not having a courier but why do you need to be in the base to buy items? Probably just incompetent coding.
>>345055248
>highest players are 9k mmr now
>2k mmr is getting shittier everyday
I feel you bro
>>345051890
doesnt have to be, the fact that heroes are pay gated plays directly into the design of the heroes. everything has to be made generic and low impact otherwise not owning every hero would seriously impact players ability to properly counterpick.
so long as one hero is roughly like another its not a problem, which is why most of LoLs roster is generic and samey. and why DotA can throw more slam dunkers and weird shit into the mix.
>>345055727
CHAOS DUNK
>>345039938
>>345039801
How did loli pugna become a thing? Also best husbando coming through.
>>345055562
>>345055248
Just play better
>>345056425
Well, if you read his lore, you can see that Pugna is a little kid, so all it took was some gender bending I guess.
>>345057232
some genderbending, some complete character rewriting, some careful ignoring of all the rest of the lore, some removing of all references to the game it's from, some complete change of all art direction, some awful anime injection to completely homogenise it, some adding-meat-and-skin-and-muscle-and-hair-and-eyes-and-nails-back-onto-a-fucking-skeleton.
you know, just small details. fucking weebs and paedos.
>>345055248
Just enjoy it. Learn to carry and trash on the noobs. Trust me it's better than being a 4k support.
>que with a friend who has 70 matches, mostly bots
>Play sniper
>Go 18/1/12
>Taunt the enemy all game by shadowblading out
>They never buy dust the whole game
MFW
>>345057709
Patritian sniper here.
Blink dagger is the only defensive item you really need.
Get damage in every other slot.
Don't even buy boots.
>>345054625
You also have no reason to sell items later, especially now that GP5 is gone, right?
Except for maybe support, I guess.
>>345058062
To my very limited knowledge, there are no mid-game items in league.
You won't see any urns, aquilas, drums, or SnYs.
>>345058475
That's right, LoL itemization is just rushing six endgame items one by one.
>>345035331
All of Dota's heroes can all be played immediately and testable out in a sandbox, for free.
Items in Dota are basically buyable abilities with impact, as opposed to mainly statsticks in LoL
More counterplay (thanks in part to said items)
Overall not a massive snoozefest
Custom games
Voice Chat
Ran by Reddit-dox Jews as opposed to SJW Jews
Not a complete pile of shit when it comes to coding
Can't be banned, just sent to low priority
Not currently dying of long term rickets and desertion to Overwatch.
>>345060406
Oh and queue times aren't 30+ mins.\
>>345060406
You can also call other player niggers and nothing happens. That's my favorite part of playing on SA servers.
>>345060502
Actually having 10 seconds to accept a queue may be the only thing in league's favor.
But their draft pick shit is fucking disgusting.
>no penalty for dodging a game because you don't like picks
>takes 100 years for people to lock in
Get out of the way, there's a new challenger in town.
A MOBA that actually rewards you for planning and communicating with your team.
No grindy 15 minutes long "farming phase".
Actually a MOBA in every sense of the word.
>>345061909
>>345061909
Laning phase in Dota isn't exactly grindy unles you have complete freefarm and people wouldn't call that NOT FUN after experiencing a hellish dual/tri/quad lane. Also the time is variable depending on the game.
>>345061909
A MOBA? Like CS:GO???
>>345033887
They do tend to overstate how hostile Dota is to new players (it's not really, and ironically that widespread belief is what makes it intimidating rather than anything in the game).
Other than that though I feel it has merit as a competitive game, which is not something one can say about every game. I can also understand why people don't like the RNG in the game, although I personally find it highly entertaining and don't like that they seem to be removing it.
>>345034138
Much like Halo is the same game as Quake.
