So, they made him completely overpowered again? Why nerf him in the first place?
Also, why do they make one character this obviously overpowered? He twoshots 60% the classes in the game and just stuns you with the press of a button so even if the player is braindead he can kill you.
>>345023556
He actually take more skill than all the offensive hero since you actually need to learn how to aim with him.
>>345023556
he has few defense mechanisms and limited mobility
He's hardly overpowered. The recent buff only benefits players able to shoot accurately, whereas he was originally able to devastate at close range just by spamming. It's a step in the right direction for him
>>345023556
Welcome to blizzard balancing. They'll just repeatedly ping-pong the overpowered picks.
>>345023556
Ana does the same amount of damage with hitscan and at better distances
>>345024262
no headshot crits
About time they actually give him a 44 instead of that fucking revolver in 22 he carried
>if player can aim well he can deal a lot of damage
>that's overpowered!!!
get fucking good you dipshit.
>>345024262
No headshots, even LESS mobility than McRee.
>>345024262
>with hitscan
McCree's weapon is also hitscan.
if you want to whine about ridiculous characters in the PTR, whine about D.VA
They totally overcompensated for her shortcomings.
>>345024784
He's currently way better than soldier at long range. And his kit is designed for short range, so he's good at everything now. He needs a nerf.
>>345025402
She needed that ulti buff. Before it was useful only for area clear or comboing with Zarya. However, I think D.Va was always good, so that shield buff was bit overboard.
>>345026062
>However, I think D.Va was always good
And this is why nobody takes your opinions seriously.
>>345026062
T. retarded shitter
McCree is currently useless at long range, his damage falls off way too much
Where as 76 just 3 burst anyone at any range
Shut your faggot mouth and stop posting in this thread
![[visible confusion].gif](https://i.imgur.com/6XdHkiA.gif "[visible confusion].gif")
>>345024973
>>345024356
wait what the FUCK?
What kind of sniper doesn't get a bonus for headshots?
>>345026914
The medic one.
>>345026062
>I think D.Va was always good
d.va had no health and couldnt do damage
the only thing she had was just a little bit more mobility then winston
you can claim she wasnt bad but she was far from good
>>345026914
I think the lore reasoning is that she shoots syringes
The non lore reasoning is that she would be probably the most OP support in the game if she had headshot crits. She'd dominate the meta.
something needs to be overpowered in order to carry you worthless anchors
>>345026914
So Widowmaker doesnt get benched. There'd be no reason to play Widowmaker if Ana could headshot too like in the trailer.
>>345026062
>I think D.Va was always good
Good job invalidating everything you said up until now you come across as a rank 40 shitter.
He's finally found his niche in my opinion. Solid medium/medium-long range sharpshooting, with flashbanging for panic/close up scenarios.
The only problem most people have is that he's basically competing for 76's spotlight.
Although, 76's kit is still more useful as a whole in my opinion. Healing, high damage and knockback alternate fire, sprinting.
>>345026139
>>345027003
>>345027457
Just coz you haven't tried her outside of first impressions doesn't mean she's bad.
>>345026808
I was referring to PTR version. McCree doesn't lose dmg at long range anymore. It's devastating.
>>345027827
>>Just coz you haven't tried her outside of first impressions doesn't mean she's bad.
she's my main bro
shes crap
>>345023556
go genji
when are they gonna nerf reaper's wraith form? that shit literally turns you invincible.
>>345023556
You done?
>>345027858
Why would you main someone who's crap?
>>345027827
>Just coz you haven't tried her outside of first impressions doesn't mean she's bad.
D.Va is my most played tank.
Overwatch can never be balanced because there will always be one character who's the best at their role, and so there's no reason to pick any other.
>>345028009
I want to believe she won't be terrible someday
>>345027827
>Just coz you haven't tried her outside of first impressions doesn't mean she's bad.
She's literally the worst tank in the game right now how the fuck can you say she's not bad every other hero accomplishes everything she does but better.
>>345027603
this is how it should be
76 will probably be obsolete given the nerf, unfortunately
>>345028010
Could you pull off that winrate if she was bad/worthless/useless?
>>345023556
They made him fill the niche that S76 shouldn't have: long range deeps.
>>345027827
Good he needed that, he gets six shots that don't fire rapidly and is rewarded for accuracy. Only crying shitter faggots don't want this.
Especially now that hit boxes will be fixed along with his update.
>>345024262
McCree is hitscan, I didn't think Ana was but I'll admit I played her on PTR for like 30 seconds in training.
>>345023951
Overwatch is surprisingly obsessed with aiming. It's a FPS obviously, but it's not exactly meant to be a high skill level only game. Yet most characters either can only be played at a high skill level with high amounts of memorized motor functionality you only get from playing FPSs exclusively, or they benefit greatly from direct hits.
This can create a problem at higher levels, where the difference between a dedicated FPS-only player and anyone else is obvious. A good 76, McCree or Widowmaker's replays look like their cursor is magnetized to peoples' heads.
>>345028240
What kind of question is this? Holy fucking reading comprehension
>>345028240
Yes.
>>345023939
Pharah and Genji take more skill than McCree simply for the fact that they don't have hitscan weapons.
>>345028717
>Pharah and Genji take more skill
Fuck off Pharah and Genji main.
>>345028309
McCrees damage is so insane at ranges he's basically the second best sniper in the game after Widowmaker now. It's ridiculous, and his skills make him just as dangerous in close range.
>>345027603
His kit doesn't make a lot of sense, if you think about it. He has a single fire weapon that does moderate damage but without the ability to scope, meaning it should be a short to medium range weapon. Yet his kit lacks any utility: a fairly useless roll that is a glorified reload and a stun that only works at very close range.
So really, the only ability he has is his stun. Everything else is all about him just shooting his gun, which has the fire rate of a sniper rifle but the effective accuracy and range of any unscoped shot in the game already. His behavior without the stun is like a shitty 76 that can't heal or run. That's why people started playing him as a stun + fan character. It's the only thing his kit actually does. He's otherwise just a guy with a slow, midrange gun.
>>345028780
>McCree' H I T S C A N weapon take more skill than actual projectiles that need to be aimed and lead
fucking hilarious
>>345028178
>every other hero accomplishes everything she does but better
Not true at all. Her shield is the best part of her. She can just absorb missiles, bullets and ultis. She can quickly fly to turret and just take it down. She's strong in duels. I don't see who'd rival her in those things.
>>345028309
He's better than snipers and he has a grenade to protect him close range. I tried him and even though my ain sucks I could easily take down atleast tanks.
>>345028490
Get glasses
>>345029030
>autistic ninja man and flying splash damage lady
>Hard
>>345028859
As is everyone's damage if they can actually hit you
I mean mind as well nerf torb since two head shots from him will kill any squishy and he has insane range and crazy up close damage.
Nerf dva's pistol damage too because that shit does damage and goes out far
Let's just nerf any weapon that does damage at range because aiming is hard
>>345029086
>autistic cowboy rooty tooty point and shooty man
>hard
>>345028459
>High level for a shooter is filled with players who are good at aiming and shooting
How the hell is this a problem?
>>345027151
With perma hardscope playing Widowmaker sucks dick now.
>>345029185
Harder than autism man, ye.
>>345027056
>zenyatta can headshot
>lucio can bump people off the map
It doesn't need to be a huge bonus to damage but they should still reward good aim. Maybe 50 percent bonus to heal and damage? Or headshots allow overheal that slowly drops off or prevents healing on enemies for a few seconds.
>>345029030
>Pharah
>Skill
>her missiles hurt you if they fly right past you
I'll give the Genji one, I can't understand how to play him.
>>345029086
being consistent with genji is not easy
korean meme chick is fucking useless on live
>>345024784
>Aim well
You mean shooting blindly into crowds.
>>345029412
What she's good at Genji too?
No wonder Zarya and Genji are memes
>>345029431
>>345029184
Are you really comparing the effort it takes to hit someone from far range like say Genji to fucking McCree?
Are you forgetting McCree's gun is a fucking HITSCAN weapon? Torb at least needs to lead a shot to get the insane damage as his gun is a projectile and it arcs, McCree just needs to click on you without leading and wow there goes 140 of your health ggs.
>>345029331
We're talking about Overwatch here, the average player will have a hard time just hitting anything let alone headshotting. Quick play will be infested with retarded Anas who can't aim and don't do shit while nobody else on the team switches to a real healer because "already have a healer thx :)"
>>345029412
I'm not talking about D.Va though, faggot.
>>345029379
>Pharah
>splash damage
Pick one and only one, I can tell you've never actually tried to play Pharah before.
>>345029184
>>345029184
Do you know what the difference between torb and d.vas pistol compared to mccrees weapon is?
Protip Mccrees gun is hitscan. The others arent.
Perhaps but this time you actually have to aim, so scrubs can't go around 100 > 0ing people by pressing two buttons and think they're good. And his tank killing power is second only to Reaper
If not for the buff he'd just remain a bad 76
>>345029379
pharah splash damage is fucking terrible, if you dont lead your shots and get direct hits you will be getting 10 eliminations tops.
>>345023556
He's the shittiest hero on the roster. Or at least he was, til his primary fire stopped being garbage. I haven't gotten to see the difference yet, I'm a console shitter.
At any rate, you can tell when someone is bad at the game when they bitch about McCree in any capacity. He hasn't been broken since the game launched, he's got far less going for him than all of the rest of the healing/teleporting/flying/shielding cast.
Roadhog is still the most OP tank.
>Magic hook that stuns you and can hook you around walls
>Six HUNDRED (600) health (near impossible to solo kill)
>Both right and left click can instantly kill any class if all the spread hits (excluding other tanks)
>Self healing ability
>Ultimate that can murder an entire team (even though its just designed to knock them back)
>>345029679
>Implying Pharah's splash doesn't hurt.
Look nigga she can borderline whiff like 4 and still kill you.
Nobody else but memerat and bugged Russian Lady of Snapshot RMB's can do that.
>>345029679
this, splash damage is essentially nothing.
>>345028010
>most played tank
>2 hours with the character
>probably a lvl 40 shitter
lmao opinion discarded.
>>345024784
These are the same people who tried to fight McCree alone and complained that he was OP.
>>345029972
His Chain Hook needs to have it's cooldown duration increased.
>If his Chain Hook hits, 10 second cooldown
>If his Chain Hook misses, retain 6 second cooldown
Simple as that.
>>345029582
>average casual can't aim
>disregard high risk/high reward mechanics because average players are bad
u wot m8?
>>345029679
She has splash damage though.
There have been times where one missile would fly past me and I'd take damage while no other enemy was around.
And I have played Pharah 5 times before deciding she wasn't the type of character i would enjoy.
You seem like the type of person who would complain about Roadhog.
>>345029030
>I can't aim therefore these heroes that require no aim need more skill
lmao
>>345029775
If you can consistently land shots with torbs and dvas guns I can tell why you're crying about McCree now.
You just get shat on by someone who doesn't have to shoot at you for 30 seconds to kill you like you do them
>>345023556
What did they change now?
>>345029972
>(near impossible to solo kill)
if too many heroes could solo him then he wouldn't be much of a tank now would he genius
Just like Reaper, you're not supposed to win a 1v1 with him
>>345026062
>he's better than soldier at long range
>soldier is marketed as the be all end all mid range character.
well no fucking shit.
>>345030153
Her AOE splash damage is 13-80 depending on the radius while Spamrat has a flat 80. I'll never understand that.
>>345030237
his left click has less drop off so he can essentially snipe people pretty effectively now.
>>345029890
Pharah may as well not have splash damage, it's so tiny. She has to hit people dead on just like any other hero. It's better to view her as a hero that has such terrible projectile speed that the game gives you 20 damage for managing to actually get close to any target.
>>345029331
Zenyatta is meant to do damage.
If people play Ana like she is Widow they should play Widow. She is more in line of Mercy and Lucio as a full support. Her rifle is even higher hps than mercy assuming you don't miss and she has burst aoe that also acts as an amp as healing on people hit by the grenade are healed more. Not to mention the obviously insane ability to heal people across the map.
>>345030061
>Think's D.Va's good
lmao opinion discarded
>>345030336
Thats funny, because reaper is the only character that can solo-kill a hog with ease.
>>345029206
because overwtach is filled with blizzdrones who never played a shooter before
if CSGO would be similar noone would have a problem
>>345030006
Not saying she doesn't, but Pharah cannot at all rely on splash damage to kill someone unless they are practically already dead.
>>345030437
Trashmouse has shit range and is arguably harder to aim with then pharah
Unless you have rainman autism and can perfectly calculate where each bouncing bomb will go while predicting enemy pathing
>>345030153
"ive barely played a character, so im clearly an authority on them.
>>345030193
>>345030193
>If you can consistently land shots with torbs and dvas guns I can tell why you're crying about McCree now.
The difference is that no one can consistenly land headshots with those, while its very achievable to do so with mcree.
What are you not understanding here?
>You just get shat on by someone who doesn't have to shoot at you for 30 seconds to kill you like you do them
I dont even think mcree is too strong with that change, i am another anon.
But i think your comparison was pretty retarded. Dva and tjorb arent supposed to easily kill people with headshots from long ranges, thats why they have projectile weapons and not hitscan.
>>345029972
What bothers me the most is how he can heal while getting shot and shrug off that damage like nothing happened while gaining more HP
>>345029972
Eh, a Reaper can kill him in about four shots. If teams actually are nearby one another instead of spread out trying to TDM, a Roadhog melts almost instantly. He's so big that his need to pause to heal makes him the easiest target in the game to pour DPS into. But most players are just retards who autolock Genji, Hanzo or Reaper and run around the map just trying to flank enemies, and brag about their kills with no intention of helping anyone or even trying to participate in the mission objectives.
>>345030707
Rely, no. But the splash is still there. Nobody else is rewarded for "At least you tried".
where are the new skins?
>>345030193
The issue isn't the damage here numbnuts, the issue is the effort.
Here's what Torb, D.Va, Pharah, and Genji need to do to get high damage from long range
>Lead the shot to wear the enemy is going to be going because they're weapons are actually projectiles and have travel time
Here's what McCree needs to do to attain his very high damage from long range
>put your mouse over someone for even a milisecond, click
>>345029972
roadhog is fine ish, only way to balance him more is if getting shot interrupts his heal animation.
>>345030976
>D.Va
>long range
>>345030921
This summer they said. Also people are expecting a character announcement at Comi-Con for some fucking reason so keep your eyes peeled then, too.
>>345030237
McCree's M1 has less damage drop off so now he can effectively snipe the entire cast save the actual snipers.
>>345030490
>zenyatta, mercy, and lucio can all headshot
>aiming at peoples heads = playing like widow
?
>>345030074
Other way around, you shouldn't be punished for not being shit at the game
>>345030976
Guess what, they're different heroes with different strengths. Not everyone should be the same.
>>345030976
>Pharah
>Genji
>Effort
I'm not even going to dignify D.Va out of her mech with a response because the trade-off of her "Shitty" gun is her hitbox becoming about the same size as your dick.
>>345031061
Her pistol you fucking moron
>>345031073
It's the middle of July. Summer is almost over.
>>345031086
But then that means Roadhog will just continue to wombo combo everybody.
Making the CD lower when you miss means he's not a fucking retarded ass "lol i kill u (unless the game fucks up and puts you behind me because fuck you)" machine.
McCree has no enhanced mobility and no self-maintenance. How do you compensate for that? Give him better damage potential than the heroes who actually have some or all those things, i.e.: every single other offense hero [except Pharah, of course, who has a projectile weapon and as a result needs to do overall more damage than the hitscan counterparts. And Genji to a lesser degree].
>>345031163
Are you actually going to present a counter argument or are you just going to greentext like an imbecile. What do you people not understand about McCree having a HITSCAN weapon. Do you not know what a fucking hitscan weapon is you troglodyte?
>>345023556
>He was Reaper's hard counter in close range
>Now that he got nerfed to fucking shit, Reapers walk around uncontested because of how stupidly strong he is
They need to nerf Reaper's health by 50 points, it's fucking horse shit, and the fact that he can wraith form away like a bitch and pick up souls and health packs to restore his health is fucking retarded.
>>345031192
They said "Summer". We still got August, senpai. Traditionally Autumn isn't a thing until September. Or somewhere in September since it can still heat the fuck up.
>>345031192
>t. someone who has no idea how seasons work
September 22nd is the last day of summer you fucking retard.
>>345031370
IDK why everyone complains about his wraith form when hes designed to be a flanker. If he couldnt pick up health while running away hed almost be as useless as McRee.
>>345030976
>Complaining that a no-nonsense OFFENSE character is more powerful and easier to hit with at range than a DEFENSE BUILDER, a TANK, a HIGHLY MOBILE SPLASH DAMAGE OFFENSE, and a CLOSE RANGE OFFENSE
WHOAAAAA
>>345031130
>this one Attacker is extremely strong at long range now while also being extremely strong in close range thanks to his kit
Did you think your reaction image made you seem smart.
>>345031330
I think McCree has a pretty boring kit. The solution should really be to alter it in some way, rather than just making him a scopeless Widowmaker with no mobility.
Like a lot of their heroes, I get the feeling they came up with the physical design first and then tried to come up with moves that looked like they belonged on the character, without considering what their game function would be. He works as-is, he's just a particularly well rounded or well designed character. Hence why they can only balance him by raising his damage. He doesn't do anything other than burst damage and one short range stun.
>>345023951
This. The biggest counter to McCree is anyone with mobility or some kind of defense.
>>345031334
I'll give you an actual argument when you wake the fuck up and realize that your autistic jump-man character isn't hard, and that McCree being hitscan doesn't invalidate that.
>BUT MUH LEADING SHOTS
>>345031370
its a weird dynamic because reaper absolutely shits on Roadhog because you cant hook combo to kill reaper in 1hit but if Reaper wasnt able to counter streetpig he would just run rampant...and this is coming from someone who primarily plays roadhog
reaper fucking pisses me off but i also get why hes as he is...but still i think he might need some tweaking
>>345031759
So you have no argument then. Great, feel free to not waste either mine or your time anymore and promptly hang yourself from the nearest tree.
>>345031910
>So you have no argument then.
I have an argument.
Genji isn't hard.
What's yours?
>>345031667
You're comparing projectile heroes to a hero where his specialty is hitscan. See >>345031581
>mfw my niggas McCree and Zenyatta are now good
>>345031524
I'm glad he has some form of health regeneration. If he didn't they have to mitigate Wraith Form by cutting it's duration and increasing the speed of his getaway or something. Either way it'd suck. Reaper depends on getting close as fuck to really be effective. Though I swear to god if he's hitting you from mid-range it still feels like he's dealing too much.
>>345031078
They are also all projectile weapons. You might as well be complaining that they should be hitscan but then those characters would be insane at killing people. Just like Ana would be if she could crit. You might as well remove widow from the game then.
>mercy no longer has 50% attack buff
for what purpose? buffing pharahs/mccrees in ptr was fun as fuck.
>>345031989
>Though I swear to god if he's hitting you from mid-range it still feels like he's dealing too much.
>Play Reaper
>See someone 10ft away
>Shoot them
>HP bar ticks, they turn, oneshot me
>Play anyone else
>See Reaper 10ft away
>BANG BANG BANG
>You died
>Ghost forms away over a soul and a medkit
>>345031762
At the very least he needs a 25 health decrease, at the most, a 50.
>>345031989
The problem is he out 1v1's every hero in the game, and as 76, you better not miss your fucking rocket, or you're fucking dead, most of the time you'll die anyway because of how much damage he does at such a close proximity, not to mention he walks almost as fast as 76 sprints.
>>345028717
Pharah's and Genji's projectile hitboxes are fucking huge, worse than tf2's projectile hitboxes by a mile. They are very easy to play. McCree's hitboxes are very tiny in comparison.
>>345031762
>you can't hook combo to kill reaper in 1 hit
a properly executed combo should do a minimum of 400 damage, reaper has to predictively dodge hook with wraith to avoid that
>>345029972
Roadhog is literally a walking ult charge for the other team. If he can't aim, its like a 5v7
>>345031950
>I have an argument.
>Genji isn't hard.
That's not an argument.
>>345032286
Yes it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nL6Umrsrg
>>345031762
I'm able to reliably kill reaper and roadhog as zarya if i'm at full charge and block the hook with my shift. The only thing that really gives me trouble is a close ranged reinhart and you can just kite those.
>>345031168
What he said still stands. In fact it is true for all the characters mentioned. They aren't meant to be solid long range fighters. You might as well also be arguing what Lucio has to do to kill people at range.
>>345032350
It's an opinion. You need to give a reason for your opinion in order to make it an argument.
>>345032368
>as zarya if i'm at full charge
>I'm able to kill people that should rightfully fuck my ass if I'm given a full advantage of having their team buff my ass beforehand
Good job desu lad.
>>345030064
>the people who are complaining about mccree being able to 2 shot 200 hp heroes from ~45 yds are the same people who complained about mccree being able to instantly kill every character in the game extremely frequently
No fucking shit.he's overpowered again, you retarded e + rmb baby.
>>345032254
Roadhog is probably my most played hero, and what you have to remember is that Roadhog can also shut down ults just as quick as he charges them.
Roadhog giveth, Roadhog hooketh away.
>>345023556
How is McCree overpowered now? He's exactly the same as he was before, but his damage falloff has been extended to a further range. It isn't like his hitscan detection has been widened, his ammo has been increase, his firing speed has increased, or his base damage was buffed.
>>345032214
I've always wondered, having played the hog as well as reaper a lot, what determines who wins the 'duel'? By that I mean, is there actually a fraction of time between hook animation completion and roadhog being able to shoot that reaper can actually wraith? Or is it just who has better reactions/apm? Is it just a latency pissing match?
>>345032214
Honestly I've found connection plays a weird part in it. There've been many times I've hooked someone in seemingly no damage, despite aiming and firing directly into their body. Or, they take a very low amount of damage, like the game is dropping packets in the space of time where their body is careening into you.
So, there've been many times I've hooked even someone like a Zenyatta, blasted him right in the face, and he'll float away mysteriously. Then die, but still. Even hook+left+melee sometimes only brings someone down to about 20 hp for some reason. Some matches are reliable, others aren't.
>>345032368
>I'm able to reliably kill reaper and roadhog as zarya if i'm at full charge
>>345032434
Genji is not hard because he has mobility out the ass via double-jumps, a reflect, a dash for more mobility, projectile hitboxes the size of a fucking truck, and that's not counting the fact that like Reinhardt the faggot doesn't even have to actually touch you with his melee weapon to hurt you during his ult.
>>345023556
>nerf mcree
>make him god like again
>nerf zen
>make him god like again
whats the fucking point?
>>345032474
I usually pop my shield if I take 200 damage and they are still firing at me.
What are they supposed to do? Fire at a teammate with half of their clip left?
>>345032562
You win the duel as Roadhog if you don't fuck up.
You win the duel as Reaper if Roadhog is a retard and doesn't hold LMB while the hook animation is going off, giving you the split second to mash shift.
>Is it just a latency pissing match?
Yes.
>>345032682
Yes.
Welcome to Zarya.
>Just stop shooting me kek :^)
Alternatively if her health is low enough you just shoot her anyway and hope for the best.
>>345032747
Pay attention. They're undoing that change because it was broken as fuck.
>>345032747
they said on stream it will be returned to 30%, 50% was apparently too strong from them with mccrees sniping people with 2 shots across the map.
>>345032679
who cares? you 12 year olds just scream overpowered at everything anyways when you should just fucking get good
they aren't OP, low ttk is necessary to make a shooting game not fucking boring
>>345032679
They both play differently than before, for one.
McCree is no longer an in-your-face murder machine. He's not godlike either.
Zenyatta needed what he got. He's still not a main support, but theres actually some reason to use him now.
>>345031758
Anyone with mobility is promptly shat on by Flashbang, good job.
You guys really need to step back and look at what McCree has as a character if this change goes through
>Very high, very accurate long range damage thanks to a hitscan weapon with reduced damage fall-off with a good firerate and an instant reload skill.
>A skill that stuns all the high mobility targets long enough for him to effortlessly kill them
>A skill that unloads his entire clip in seconds for 270 damage total with an instant reload skill for another quick 270 damage, though he must be relatively close to get full damage
>A character that is both devastating at long range and at close range
>Oh but he walks kinda slow so he's fine
I guarantee you if McCree gets this change officially he'll go back to near 100% pick rate. I'm not even saying McCree needs to be a weak character, but this change is far too much for a character that Blizzard said themselves was intended to combat high mobility characters like Tracer and Genji not fucking snipe everyone.
>>345031370
Okay I HAVE to ask, why does everyone seem to think Reaper is so overpowered? I honestly can't remember the last time I faced a Reaper that was actually a problem, they're normally pretty easy to deal withIs this a PC thing?
Ana's a pretty good counter for Roadhog.
Her healing disable removes his ability to be an effective tank since he can't heal back his HP anymore, and her sleep dart when comboed with something like Reinhardt's charge means you can take a huge spike out of his health that he'll be unable to heal back.
With all the Ana and Zenyattas running around the test server, Roadhog is getting absolutely wrecked.
>>345032679
>Nerf McCree because he's too good at one thing
>Don't compensate for those nerfs
>Have to buff him again.
>Nerf Zen because he's too alright at one thing
>Don't compensate for those nerfs
>Have to buff him again
I dunno mate.
>>345032562
>>345032573
it's a function of latency and also the way/range at which you hook
hook takes longer to pull people around corners and at long range but the stun is always the same duration so if you get a wonky hook at long range they can escape before you can fire, getting a solid hook that lets you fire first is also an experience skill
surprising people so you can hit them with rmb at the same time as hook is ideal
>>345032747
I think they confirmed in a recent panel that they're going to revert that because it is ridiculously overpowered and Mercy is already fairly OP as is.
>>345032819
citation needed
>>345030475
Good thing the rocket hitbox is fucking retarded so you'll get a direct hit 90% of the time anyway
>>345032815
I like it when the other team has a spammy symmetra.
Virtually guaranteed 50% charge.
>>345032856
>Anyone with mobility is promptly shat on by Flashbang, good job.
>McCree is too good because I jump in to flashbang like a retard
>>345032953
No.
>>345031370
because 2 McREE every fucking game with no counter was so much fun
>>345032819
You wanna show the patch notes on that? I don't see them. And how is it broken? Zenyatta already accomplishes similar.
>>345032885
Because idiots.
Reaper has ONE SHTICK: Surprise people at close range to get in that one hugely damaging hit. Its basically over after that for most of the cast.
With awareness, knowing the spots they like to appear at, they're not too hard to deal with for most classes.
Awareness destroys his 1st advantage. His second being his close range damage.
>>345032885
>Is this a PC thing?
Yes.
>Players that get stomped by Torbjorn
>Having the right to talk about balance
>>345030916
Except with how big these hit boxes are, everyone is rewarded with at least you tried.
>dicking about with mcree zen and mercy instead of fixing the actually garbage heroes like bastion and torb
>people not realizing why McCree is retarded
Has literally nothing to do with McCree and everything to do with Mercy buff.
Shame that shitters can't be banned from posting, luckily Blizzard is listening to the non-shitters so it's a nice feel.
>>345032679
>Nerf McCree
>No one ever picks him
>Nerf Zenyatta
>No one ever picks him
I wonder why they'd buff them again.
>>345032885
Because very few heroes can reliably get away from him, especially in close quarters. Not to mention he has 250 health, can become invincible and be able to heal during this time. The moment he wraiths away, you can be certain he's going straight to a health pack to top himself off.
>>345033032
because blizzard hates mercy players, my fucking ult is already 30% slower. I may as drop her altogether and play zenny because thats clearly what they want.
>>345032747
Kaplan said it during a stream. Zen may also only get a +25 shield boost instead of 50 when patch goes live.
>>345032112
ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
>>345032164
The extra 50 health does make him unnecessarily tanky but it kind of buys into the lore. Reaper is hard to put down. You'd think the health regen would be enough to reflect that but apparently it isn't.
Also apparently they don't want most characters to have the same health values so they wanted to shake it up. While it makes sense for Reaper to eat more damage than the average hero I feel if they buffed the regen on his orbs that he'd be just as good. Also make him benefit from the "self-healing = increased ult charge" and, bam. Solid character balance. Hell, they should PTR that.
>>345033108
And she's rewarded twice as much, then.
>>345033032
>Zenyatta already accomplishes similar
Zenyatta doesn't heal for shit, have instant damage boost that doesn't require LOS on the target and his ult sucks dicks compared to a whole team rez.
>>345033217
I was talking about his debuff.
>>345033173
>Zen may also only get a +25 shield boost instead of 50 when patch goes live.
>>345032940
twitch tv / ster / v / 77919999
10:30
so mad.
>added a third sniper in the game
zen NEEDED that health buff
>>345033184
76 is also hard to put down but he has 200 health.
>>345033173
>+25 shield boost instead of 50 when patch goes live
for fucks sake blizzard
is Mcree attack hitscan? i keep missing long range shot. i had to aim it like hanzo arrow to actually land a hit. or is it just lag?
>>345033410
76's strafe is fucking annoying
>>345033314
No shit. Zenyatta's 50% debuff is ALL he has, Mercy having it and the rest of her superior kit makes it so you have no reason to ever play him over Mercy.
>>345033146
Her ult was fucking too ridiculous, breh. At max charge rate, she could cast res about 3 times a minute. That is fucking obscene. It also can't be interrupted.
>>345032856
>A skill that unloads his entire clip in seconds for 270 damage
Which is nigh useless unless their heads are taking up your entire screen space. It can't even be used justifiably over his regular primary fire on a stunned enemy.
Seriously, you're going to use fucking post-nerf FtH in your argument?
McCree isn't good at close range now. His only role in that regards is anti-flanking.
>>345033420
>not realizing that discord orb speed is a fucking amazing buff that makes his health not even matter
>>345033217
Both heal and damage buff are better now that orb speed is up to 120 from 30
He only needs LOS for discord for a fraction of a second so that he can activate it. However, Mercy's will be hard to beat now though, with the (2?)0% damage increase and instant activation.
>>345033012
yes
>>345032856
Actually you are more likely to get a more healthy pick rate between him and Solider as currently every fucker just picks solider and no one picks McCree anymore.
They are actually meant to have some cross over with their roles which is why the change was to make McCrees damage drop off be in line with Solider.
>>345032562
>>345033463
It's hitscan, yes.
It's pin-point, though. So you have to actually aim-aim.
>>345033086
Hey, I think console players are fucking stupid with Torbjorn too, he's really not hard to deal with at all, but even so I've been in multiple matches where randoms just seem to lose their fucking mind the second a Torbjorn turret is placed somewhere.
>>345033146
>imblying mercys ult wasn't the most annoyingly piss easy game changer to use and charge
i mean fuck even reapers takes SOME ability to get into position
with mercy the team wipes after chained ults and you just shift in and WEEW everyones up again
then you have your ult again 20 seconds later
>>345033479
Not as annoying as Reaper shoving his shotguns up your ass every time he gets close, or just wraiths up to you decimates you.
>>345033501
>revolver
>clip
>>345033502
not sure how that helps at all when he just dies
>>345033554
As a Torbjorn player I love watching people ignore my turret and get fucked raw.
>>345032885
Reapers are less effective on bad teams, certainly. But if the Reaper's team is actually not dying as soon as they get back, it's pretty easy to go on a huge killing spree.
Because of the way maps are laid out and because he can just teleport across maps anyway, the one thing that's supposed to counter Reaper (range) is a nonfactor. He doesn't really have any hard counter heroes either. He's not overpowered, but he definitely attracts faggots to main him because of how easy it is to feel superior to people when you're not doing anything other than just walking up to them from behind.
>>345033504
It doesn't matter. Mercy's heal is instant and stronger and her damage buff lasts as long as she holds it down and doesn't require LOS obviously.
>>345033534
what?
>>345033487
>>345033565
it takes a long time now, a long2 minsand thats heal slutting a tank.
>>345033641
He's not wrong.
>>345032953
Nope.
>>345033554
You obviously don't play on console.
Really the only thing broken about his turret is the AI and how it locks onto you every time you get out of cover.
>>345033736
>kyle
>>345033704
Reaper makes fucktons of noise moving around and is the easiest flanker to watch out for. The only maps he's unavoidable on are koth, but koth maps are basically designed to be stupid.
>>345029331
Zenyatta's shots aren't hit scan.
The main reason she doesn't have headshot is because of her Mez, as she'd be Mei 2.0, but actually usable outside of pubs.
>>345032856
Pharah, Zarya, Lucio, and Junkrat can lay his out on the floor provided you try to outsmart and over whelm him.
>>345033485
Zenyatta is basically a shitty Soldier 76, if you think about it. High speed projectile, psuedo-sniper focused on DPS with a weak supplementary heal. Literally the only thing that Zenyatta has to differentiate him as a hero from the cast is a debuff that isn't needed in a game of one hit kills, and an ultimate that's basically a shittier version of Lucio that can be overpowered anyway.
I understand people wanting to play him, but I'm really disappointed that he's just another DPS hero in a game that's fucking chock full of them, and missing about three tanks and four supports.
>>345031370
I don't think that Reaper is the problem, i have felt since some of the open betas they ran that the health packs are a problem. Being able to camp a pack and heal INSTANTLY is BS. like if it healed the same amount but over a few seconds, easy fix.
>>345034075
Agreed.
>>345033501
Funny thing is the in game loading tip always said to use the stun to line up an easy headshot.
>>345033763he empties the cylinder not the clip when he shoots u dip
>>345034028
>Pharah, Lucio
>Doing anything to a good McCree player if he gets this ridiculous buff
Nah. Junkrat and Zarya maybe since Zarya has shields and Junkrat doesn't need to be in line of sight to deal damage if there are corners to bounce pills off of. Pharah is going to get hard countered so badly by new McCree she'll go back down to low pick rate. He will hard counter her at every range.
>Fight Reaper
>He starts to lose
>Wraiths towards a medkit
I am now presented with three choices:
>Do nothing
>Reaper heals
>Outcome is now 50/50
>Try and beat him to the health kit
>Get crowned in the back of the head by le oneshot pellet man
>Run away
>Reaper has now made me leave the objective, essentially doing his job, and can go fuck off and bug somebody else
>>345034360
b
>>345034404
>Pharah is going to get hard countered so badly by new McCree she'll go back down to low pick rate.
Good.
I'm fucking tired of AERIAL SUPERIORITY ACHIEVED JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
MERCY, WHY AREN'T YOU SUCKING ME OFF WITH THAT DAMAGE BUFF? PHARMERCY COME ON.
EVERY
FUCKING
GAME
>>345034075
His debuff is for marking dangerous targets who may move out of sight like Reaper and Widowmaker or to make it easier to take down tank heroes. It's also useful to put on an enemy Mercy who may otherwise never die.
>>345034404
This is true. It's hard enough playing pharah against a 76 with good aim, if mcree keep this buff it will be outright impossible.
>>345034415
Wow it's almost like that's part of his kit and something you should have anticipated
>>345026914
80 flat damage per shot, 75 heal per shot, no need to charge or even scope up.
Scope uses 2 ammo and fires as a hitscan, will track allies in a cone to make healing them easier but you still have to be on point to hit an enemy.
Unscoped fires one round, but it is a projectile with some travel time and won't track allies as well.
0.9 second bolt rechamber time, 1.5 second reload.
Combat wise, Ana's damage output is only slightly less than what Widow is capable of, assuming Widow is taking the one and a half seconds to fully charge her rifle. If Widow only gets a bodyshot (120 damage after waiting 1.4 seconds), Ana's damage output (80 with an immediate shot and another 80 after 1 second) will win out. If Widow gets a full charge headshot, she'll soar ahead with 2.5x damage. If the player isn't good enough to get consistent headshots and/or be patient enough to let the rifle charge, then Ana will be better in their hands.
Ana will be capable of the highest rate of healing among the healers naturally without any ability use limited by cooldowns. 75 HP instantly with two more 75s coming in the next two seconds.
Considering the three shots (or six if firing unscoped), reload time, and a few tenths of a second for target acquisition, Ana's rifle alone will grant roughly 55 (or more) HP/sec over time. Only Lucio healing all five teammates at the same time could best it in terms of health per second (also Ana isn't limited by Lucio/Zen's 30m range / Mercy's 10m range for heals).
Throw in Ana's biotic grenade, that's a 100HP burst heal and 60 damage to anyone in its radius.
Slightly less than Lucio's Amped 120HP over three seconds, but it is a whole 100 immediately.
>>345034075
Yeah, everyone huddle around S76 for some healing. There is no way this can end badly.
>>345034583
>"I win lol" is part of his kit.
Brilliant.
>>345034415
A reaper that fucked off is basically a win. Retreating back to team mates is the best choice.
>>345034404
Lucio can outmaneuver and poke down a McCree while remaining a reasonable distance and keeping his allies safe with his ult and knockback.
Lucio shits on McCree
>>345034404
Pharah already gets denied by Soldier.
>>345034514
Yeah Phara is rising in popularity because people aren't playing Hanzo or Widowmaker except in low mmr quickplay. Phara's counters are hardly ever seen, a good one can demolish you.
>>345034583
He should be able to absorb souls during wraith form, he shouldn't be allowed to pick up med packs. Wraith form should be an escape tool, not a tool to haul ass to the nearest health pack and continue killing where you left off.
>>345034641
Actually, he's picked a lot on KotH competitive for that very reason. You don't place heals in the middle of the open either. You can even place them through walls.
So no, Zenyatta's AMAZINGGGG ability to place a shitty one person heal that vanishes if someone takes cover is not comparable.
>>345034714
Mcree doesnt want to engage a Lucio so thats moot, Mcree goes and kills protects his team from flankers or ambushes their defenders.
>>345032195
>Genji's projectile hitbox
>Huge
Confirmed for not ever playing the game
>>345034768
>playing Hnazo ever
Widow is still decently prevalent in medium high tiers, where people can aim well enough to close down hallways even on offense.
>>345034881
mcree is the one hitting those vantage points
and or ganking
>>345034613
>Scope uses 2 ammo
wrong
>>345034641
>throwing down an AOE heal while capturing/defending a point isn't useful
It gives the team like an extra 5 seconds of staying power, which can turn around everything.
>>345034468
>>345034826
Soldier's healing requires LoS to heal too.
>>345034613
Anas problem is no matter how much healing she has she has no real control of it in a team fight. She cant use highground positions so she's forced to stay at ground level where she can be body blocked by everyone on both teams. She can't be like Mercy and rush over to the low health target and focus on them or Lucio where he just heals everyone and doesn't need to pay attention to it.
>>345034613
Ana can't shoot through her teammates while widowmaker can, so widowmaker would win in most of the cases.
>>345034881
We're talking about wanting to fuck up a McCree though. No shit he doesnt want to engage a Lucio, thats the point. If my team is getting raped by a really good McCree I'll pick into a Lucio for the sole sake of messing up his day, regardless of whether we already have a healer because he can effectively keep McCree away from your team.
>>345034826
It is just asking for a number of ults that will just fuck you up if not outright wipe you. Although Zen is shit for koth no matter what.
>>345034714
>Lucio shits on McCree
maybe if they suck
a decent McCree should be able to wreck a Lucio
Why is Tracer's damage so high?
100 damage per second is a lot.
>>345035224
>>345032195
And projectile hitboxes are getting tweaked. Hanzo can't kill you behind a wall anymore in the new update
>>345035406
Not if you're specifically focused on harassing the shit out of him. Then he's screwed and can't get near anyone.
>>345035609
1 headshot, followed by 1 bodyshot
Have you never killed a scout with the Amabassador in TF2?
>>345035548
she has no health.until she phases back
>>345035548
It's "balanced" by her low health.
>>345035587
Praise be
>>345035609
awesome just pull luc when i roll mcree and my team will shit all over them
>>345035548
>100 per second
That's nothing. Every hero besides Winston is capable of more than 100DPS.
Tracer's damage output is240in a single magazine, emptied in one second.
>>345029379
People shouldn't play him
Play tracer, you fucks so you can actually have the lateral mobility to take out healers reliably
and pharahs
