Argue
>>345000758
Why not both?
I like both but not in the same game
>>345000758
>We need great stories
>Uses at least 3 games with shit stories as an example
>>345000758
>any of those games
>"great" stories
>>345000758
go watch a film fag
>>345000758
the only game there with a passable story has multiplayer as it's best aspect
Enough video games exist to have a good story and shit gameplay or the other way around.
>>345000758
I feel a good story is the base but good multiplayer is what makes the game fantastic. See GTA4, GTA5 and Red Dead Redemption.
>>345000860
>One of them has multiplayer that's vastly more shilled than its' story whenever it comes up
All those games have shit stories.
I know I can't expect anyone in this shithole to know about Brecht or Chekhov, but the stories in vidya are always shit tier.
>>345000758
Gameplay >>> Soundtrack > Graphics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> """Story"""
>>345000950
gta 5 mp SUCKS badly
>>345000758
last of us had multiplayer :^)
What is the last of us for PC?
Tomb raider felt a bit like it but more open world and cuhrayzee action.
>>345000758
>the last of cucks
>shitter 3
>cancerim
great stories? kek.
>>345000758
FO4 had a trash story
Skyrim had a trash story
idk anything about top left
TW3 had a mediocre story; which i guess is good by video game standards
>>345001462
Tomb Rider is more like Uncharted.
Both are fine, but gameplay takes big priority. I will play a game with a shitty story if it has fun gameplay, but a game with good story with bad or near-non-existent gameplay will quickly bore me.
I will put hundreds of hours into Mount and Blade, but The Walking Dead is really only interesting once through.
>>345000758
>nine gag
Kill yourself cunt.
>>345001080
This. So much this.
Story. Dialogues. Dubs. Cinematics. CGI. I don't give a shit.
Crap like this killed video games. All the mediocre people who couldn't make it into the cinema and literature got into video games.
Give me a solid and deep gameplay with a cohérente and creative Art directions. then put shit like dialogues and story in it if they have time.
>>345000758
>"do something that has already been done to death"
Pass.
>>345000758
Fuck off, some games have good story mode and great multiplayer.
Others simply are not fit for sp story or mp game modes.
Also 9gag
>>345000864
this
story fags are the worst
>>345000758
Stories only really matter if youre corny enough to need your games to be "artful." I like a good, well-written vidya story as much as the next guy but its not the focus in games.
>>345000758
My honest onion on the story vs gameplay argument is one which has gotten me crucified on /v/ in the past, but what-the-fuck-ever, here we go.
You're framing the discussion entirely wrong. It's not about choosing between gameplay OR story, or even about valuing one over the other. It's about learning how to synthesize gameplay and storytelling in a (relatively) new medium.
The term "ludonarrative dissonance" gets thrown around a lot, but I've noticed that many people who complain about it tend to ONLY complain rather then also highlighting positive examples of gameplay and narrative working together.
This is why, for sake of discussion, I made up my own term which I use to highlight positive examples of narrative and gameplay working together - "ludonarrative synthesis".
Ludonarrative synthesis is when you, as the player, are forced to pull the final trigger on The Boss at the end of MGS3, making you feel the same internal conflict and pained execution which wracks the psyche of Naked Snake.
Ludonarrative synthesis is when the player character being forced to kill Andrew Ryan and learning that he has no free will is the only cutscene in Bioshock.
Ludonarrative synthesis is when Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons depicts growth and the assumption of maturity by having the younger brother assume the control scheme of the older brother at the end of the game.
Ludonarrative synthesis is the pinnacle of what games can be as storytelling tools, and THAT is my answer to the ill-framed argument of gameplay vs story.
>>345001107
So did GTA4's until you started using a trainer
only fucking retards play either games legit
Non-intrusive lore>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Intrusive plot
>>345002138
>Opinion A, appeal to novelty fallacy
>I agree with A, buzzword
>Opinion B
>Your a fagget
>>345002427
>Bethesda game
>Good story
kek
>>345001932
I don't mind playing story centric games when it's actually done well. But like you said, the video game industry is filled to the brim with mediocre writers who couldn't make it anywhere else, so you'll rarely get an good plot or intriguing characters or anything resembling really good writing. And this is made way worse by the fact that every new game that comes out these days feels the need to have a story and all these long cutscenes breaking up the action. Once again, its okay if it's interesting, but the vast majority of games are completely and totally dull when it comes to their stories. Think of all the games that would have been better if they removed the boring and needless story elements: Just Cause, Watchdogs, Far Cry, Assassin's Creed, the new Tomb Raiders. The list goes on and on. They're all so fucking mediocre and dull and they force you to sit through all these crappy cutscenes instead of allowing you to just play the game.
This shit goes all the way back to Metal Gear Solid. Everyone wanted to be Metal Gear Solid, but they just didn't have the balls to make the risky creative decisions that made it great.
The only game with GOAT story and multi-player
>>345000758
Fuck that I want some cool gameplay with lots of replayability
>>345002427
I tend to agree. But looking at the Souls games, I keep reminding myself that it's also a weaker way to get the story across. Most of the time, before I just looked it up on the internet, I had a really poor grasp of what the fuck was actually supposed to be going on in these games. That said, it's still way better than be made to sit through cutscenes all the time or to constantly have someone talking in your ear about what you're supposed to be doing.
The way a game tells its story > The story its telling
>fallout 4
>skyrim
>tlou
>9gag
Like pottery
I wish redditors could stop spamming this shit pic everyday on /v/.
>>345002859
>Le POOPING COWS and a flower with BOOBIES XD
I bet you watch Family Guy
>>345001556
name a game with a better story than the witcher
Story means literally nothing in a video game. A good game is defined by it's gameplay. There is literally no arguing against this.
Good game can also have a good story but even then it's only a plus. It's nice that it's there but it's not necessary.
A game that only has a good story is simply a shitty game. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for the story but don't go about telling that it's a good game.
>>345001556
Name a game with a good story
Chances are you wont reply because you dont wanna reveal your garbage tastes
>>345000758
There are no "great stories" in modern vidya, it's all genre trash that you would find in thrift bookshops.
We need good multiplayer to come back. Multiplayer is literally irrelevant these days with how shit every multiplayer game has been lately.
>>345003372
Depends which Witcher we're talking about.
>>345000758
Yeah somebody put a great story in skyrim, the current one is shit
>>345003384
Uh oh we got some HOT opinions over here
>>345003384
What if the story is part of the gameplay?
>>345003479
let's say 3 considering that was in the OP but the first is objectively the best
i'll play good single player games over mp all day
>>345001932
No, people like you is what kills videogames. People that reject variety and innovation just because you don't like it (which is perfectly fine to not like it, of course)
Story is just one more way to express yourself when you make a game, like music, art style or gameplay. One does not invalidate the other and it's just a choice the creator makes in which does he want to focus more.
I think all this cinematic trend is bullshit and videogames should find their own method for storytelling, but that doesn't mean those games should die. And calling the writers failed movie or book writers is generalizing for no real purpose. There are a lot of shitty ones, but there are some that have created amazing and unique stories that couldn't possibly exist in any other medium, so they're hardly failures.
If we just establish a specific, unmodifiable way of making games, and allow no other fields of experimentation to be had, it stops being an art form, and just turns into a formulaic copy pasted product.
And that's what you call the death of videogames.
>>345002148
so you like pokemon go?
>>345003676
Then it's especially great. I love it if a game can tell it's story trough it's gameplay. Bonus points for using it in a very creative way.
>>345002334
I agree.
I've got nothing more to add than that, but I think you're on the right track.
>>345003125
Let's be fair to TLOU at least. Even though the game is overrated as fuck, the quality of it's story and characters is pretty comparable to The Witcher 3. But yeah, the picture is basically ruined by including Skyrim and Fallout 4 in there.
>>345001932
>Games should be about mashing buttons and beeps and boops!
Please fucking kill your pretentious self.
>>345002334
This
If you are going to tell a story and, for whatever reason, choose to do it in a interactive medium, for the love of god use the tools that the medium has. If you don't, then why tell the story in a game?
Story trough gameplay is great. Story that could have easily been a movie or a book doesn't belong to a game.
>3 month old rebbit bait pics still trigger \v\
every time
>>345004301
If you don't want those beep and boops and pressing buttons, why are you playing a game? Literature and cinema are a thing you know.
>>345000864
>>345002148
>films
>2-3 hours
>good story
>>345003791
Two is objectively the best. It doesn't retread the books, it has multiple branching paths with distinctly different stories, all of them being well written, and it manages to actually have an original plot that doesn't suck.
>skyrim
>fallout 4
>good stories
Might as well make every game exclusively multiplayer if that's the kind of writing you're gonna deliver
![Planescape-torment-box[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7AXC76d.jpg "Planescape-torment-box[1].jpg")
>>345003384
>A game that only has a good story is simply a shitty game. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for the story but don't go about telling that it's a good game.
Agreed.
>>345000758
I think a fallout or Skyrim would be fun coop
>>345003265
Not the same anon but It was a very great game, fun gameplay, great moments, had an actual "story" and a great ending. But of course, it's a game about toilet comedy made by brits. Honestly, what did you expect?
>>345004423
I actually agree. Movies seem way too short for compelling story. Of course there are exceptions but that's a general rule. there is only so much you can do in few hours.
why not have both?
>>345004423
Kiki's Delivery Service was a good 2-hour film.
>>345000758
I don't like multiplayer because I don't have any friends to play with
>>345004379
Trigger? I don't think anyone is triggered yet.
>>345004423
Says the person who doesn't watch much films
>>345004415
Because Im not some pretentious greasy fedoralord who can only appreciate a very small amount of games. Youre the kind of retard who will grade story based games in comparison to a different genre of games that theyre not even trying to be.
>>345000758
The Last of Us has both multiplayer and a great story. Even people that HATED the story liked the multiplayer for that game. Bait taken, I suppose.
>>345000758
good gameplay is priority level one, if the gameplay is not good then everything else is just trying to make up for it.
>>345004379
It wasn't ever on reddit, I've got this gem straight out of 9cancer like a year ago, to this day it works perfectly fine. You have to admit this picture is a masterpiece. Every single element was made to trigger people on /v/ even the 9gag watermark, it's just flawless.
>>345002334
I agree with you, story integrated within the gameplay is the way to go.
Even Gone Home understood that, game being shit aside.
>>345001080
Single Player Gameplay >>> Soundtrack > Graphics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> """Story""">>>Multiplayer
Fixed.
Name a game that tells a good story without using cut-scenes that make it a movie with gameplay segments.
>>345001462
The ebin within
But its story is really retarded.
>>345004423
>He thinks a good story needs to be long
I bet you watch long ass shonen like Naruto or One Piece
>>345004959
Fallout New Vegas
>>345001556
why would someone bash skyrim before leaving fallout 4 out
usually it depends on what the game wants to focus on, it's not that easy to define
skyrim and fallout 4 have complete garbage stories though
>>345003910
this anon is right on so many levels
>>345000818
this
>>345002334
>the only cutscene in Bioshock
what is the intro?
>>345000758
>Great stories
>2 Bethesda games
>no multiplayer
>TLoU
I don't get it.
>>345000758
>skyrim
>FO4
>great stories
>this fucking thread again
Stop posting. Don't ever come back.
>>345001064
>>>>>>>BRECHT
>>>>>>>GOOD STORIES
Please pick 1 and only 1.
>>345004423
we have a term for that: cinéma
>>345002334
Games that allow the player to control the conversation and make choices should be pretty damn ludonarratively synthetic then, shouldn't they? Yet most of these games feel so dry and old, unlike any of the examples you gave.
>>345004740
>who can only appreciate a very small amount of games.
Who said I can't enjoy a game with a good story? It's still going to be a shit game even if the story is perfect.
It's like saying that a song is good because the lyrics are good. That's not how it works.
>>345000758
People keep telling you what's wrong with your picture and yet you keep fucking posting it. Are you a troll?
>>345000758
>fallout 4
>great stories
>>345005627
those games are old because the genre is old
those games feel dry because the genre involve a lot of work
those games are shit because they must either be short or cost a fuckton
>>345005554
It is remarkable how low /tv/ has fallen considering that it was one of the worst boards from the beginning.
Even cunnyposting was better than kinoposting.
>>345001064
>Chekhov
Lady with the Dog a best
>>345003372
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
>>345000758
>liking Bethesda writing
Get the fuck out of here, Angry Joe. No one here likes you and no one here agrees with you.
>>345005784
Youre so retarded that you completely missed my point, congrats on being a narrow-minded /v/irgin.
>>345003676
Story is always a part of the gameplay.
>>345003372
wolfenstein the new order
>>345000758
>titled the thread
>9gag image
>"argue"
Fuck off.
>>345004458
>isometric rpgs
>not great gameplay
the fuck out
>>345006327
>autistic systematic pretend
>good
>>345004942
Single player gameplay>>>story>>
>>soundtrack>>>>>>graphics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>multiplayer gameplay
>>345005627
First of all, displaying the quality of synthesis and being synthetic are two very different things.
Second of all, your description of "[allowing] the player to control the conversation and make choices" is so vague that I have trouble understanding what specifics you are attempting to pinpoint. Do you generally mean old-school CRPGs? Do you mean modern WRPGs? Do you mean visual novels? Are you even think of of any specific games in question?
The problem is western game developers.
>>345001064
In my experience Checkov wrote decent plays but was overrated as a novel author.
>>345006621
>>345004942
>>345001080
Morons.
Unless you specify a genre, those comparions mean nothing.
Would you prioritize graphics in a roleplay game?
Would you prioritize story in a fighting game?
Would you prioritize gameplay in a visual novel?
>>345005627
Just having conversation choices is pretty shitty system. But you can do some pretty neat stuff with it.
Pic related. I love shit shit.
>>345007389
>visual novel
This thread is supposed to be about games, anon.
>>345000758
Witcher is the only one of those that has a good story. And the only good part of The Last Of Us is the multiplayer, the story is dogshit.
>>345000758
>bethesda
>GOOD WRITING
>implying the stories exist or aren't complete retarded
Never played TLOU. Witcher 3.. Everything was great but the threat Wild Hunt was boring.
>>345000758
Why be spoonfed the same bucket of cliches over and over again via single player story modes?
You make your own stories in multiplayer.
>we need great stories
>skyrim
>via 9gag
i don't know what i expected
>>345007914
>>345008156
>Fallout 4 has bad writing
How dare you! Don't you know that pic related is the absolute pinnacle of sympathetic villain motivations?
>>345000758
I'm still kinda pooper plugged about Witcher 3 not having an Arena minigame like in 2. I had the 11th highest score in the world before it got overrun by cheaters and they took down the scoreboard on the forum.
>>345000758
>Fallout 4
I know its b8, but this image will end on facebook or something and retards will belive it
>>345004423
go read a book fag
>>345008842
>reading books for the story
