>MOOOOOOOOM BUT LEGOS ARE SO HARD
get a mac
it just werks.
>>344986620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skCmOWfesrs
>>344986620
>website is called a Motherboard
I have a bit of trouble with the wires because I'm retarded but building a PC is an hour's task at a slow careful pace
>Maiberg
You won't get me, Jew!
>Thought the same way.
>Chickened out and got a prebuild
>Prebuild's case was shit
>Had it for a year until I bought a new case, PSU, GPU, and CPU cooler.
>Rebuilding the PC with the new gear only took an hour since it was my first time.
>No hiccups. Everything ran smoothly.
Buying a prebuild is a shitty way to spend money. I regret being a little baby and I should have just built one from the beginning.
>>344986620
Two things are actually stressful about building a PC and they are the exact kind of thing keeping newfags from getting into it:
1. Worrying about static destroying expensive parts.
2. No accepted standards (for things such as case size, cable lengths, constantly changing sockets for CPUs etc.) so you might buy parts that don't fit together and the whole affair gets delayed until you send some shit back and choose other shit instead. The average person refuses to deal with this nonsense and that's not going to change.
If any anons work in some hardware company, go ahead and solve these two problems. If building a PC were like LEGO in the sense that it's 1) low risk and 2) not a chore to find components that fit together (some sites have actually solved this problem, they won't let you configure builds with incompatible pieces).
>>344987546
...then the rest of my sentence is missing...
Then average people would start building their own PCs, prebuilts would disappear. If this is what you want make it happen.
>>344987546
>1. Worrying about static destroying expensive parts.
nigga please, when was the last time you generated static at home?
>>344987546
1. Get an anti-static band
2. You already solved problem 2 yourself by talking about researching
>>344987546
I get nr 2, the information gathering and read up required for your first build is a hassle and requires work.
But nr 1 is so easily preventable it really is a non issue.
>>344987546
>Static
Touch the case, problem solved.
>No accepted standards
PCpartpicker
>>344986620
Sometimes PC building can be stupid though.
>Follow recommendations of PC building website and buy a motherboard and a new CPU.
>install CPU
>computer turns on but BIOS won't post.
>after doing some research, it turns out that although the MOBO is designed for that type of CPU, it comes with outdated BIOS that will not post with that CPU.
>In order to update BIOS, you need an older CPU so that the old BIOS will post, then go to setup and update it.
Granted, this was back in the early 2000s, I think they fixed that problem by letting you update the BIOS with a flash drive. Of course in order to do that you need a separate working computer.
>>344986620
If you're over 20 and you have a job/responsibilities, plus other hobbies and everything (basically, if you aren't a tech enthusiast), there's no way paying someone to build your pc isn't cheaper (in terms of time and money) than learning everything you need to know.
But underages, /g/ fatasses and neets will try everything to prove the opposite.
>>344987546
>>344987816
>>344987970
I have literally never had a problem with static when building a PC. I also don't use a static band.
I built my first PC in january and it did take me about 3 hours but it was too satisfying for me to complain, whoever wrote that article is a huge faggot
I took an IT class some years back. First project second week of class we had to disassemble and reassemble a computer and get it to work.
It was easy as fuck, took only two class periods to do everything and I knew next to nothing when I entered the class.
>>344986620
The hardest thing I've ever done was trying to take off a stock i5 CPU cooler off my motherboard to replace it. The pins on that thing just stopped working and would not come out no matter how much I twisted and pulled.
Was really afraid I'd scratch my motherboard trying to take it off.
Eventually, after like 30 minutes of fucking around with no results, had to get cutters, cut the black mounts on the top in half and pull them out with pliers.
Nothing else I've done building a pc even comes close.
>>344987546
Case size is the only thing that has had trouble keeping up with every growing GPUs. Worst case scenario, you leave the door open. Most things these days are compatible without even research, and research is as easy as plugging your stuff into pcpartpicker
>>344987994
I feel you there. First build I ever did the computer would have a 75% chance of actually booting. Tried every trick under the book including rma'ing the psu and ram before I realised it wasn't their fault. Fucking Asrock and their shitty mobos are pure garbage, and the one that microcenter gave me in exchange also didn't work. I just went with an Asus after that.
I wish I'd had an already working build at the time so that I could've just tested each part one by one to determine the fault. Instead I spent a month shipping stuff back and waiting for it in the mail before I figured out the problem.
>>344987816
>researching
>implying the average consumer does a minute of research before buying an expensive product
The average sheep walks up to a fucking professional SALESMAN to find out what they should buy, like a pig going to the butcher to learn about career opportunities. We're talking about getting some dozens of percents of people into PC building who are already using google before buying things. We are talking about a sort of sub-elite, higher than the masses but not autistic enough to currently take on the unknown challenge that is building a PC to them. You and I know the ups and downs because we've done it before. The unknown is a great creator of fear, any horror director will tell you that.
>>344987970
That was the site I was thinking of but I didn't want to sound like a shill.
>>344988160
I also don't, never broke anything but I still sweat bullets when first turning a computer on.
>Maiberg
Well of course.
>>344986620
>LOGOS
It's LEGO, you fucking dumb illiterate yank.
>>344988270
IT and networking were the easiest credits ever back when I was in college. "Can you pass a test identifying parts? Very good! Now comes the scary part, putting all these pre chosen parts together!"
30 minutes later I finished 3 days of work.
>>344988274
I had the same problem when I was testing my cpu in my current build. One of the pins wouldn't come out and I had to break it off from the top to get it out. I was scared shitless about breaking my motherboard while doing that
>>344988448
>. You and I know the ups and downs because we've done it before.
I built my first PC at 14 and finished the build in an hour or two, wasn't afraid of shit because certain slots were clearly meant for specific parts and I'm not a retard
>>344987546
>1. Worrying about static destroying expensive parts.
I've always assembled my PCs on the carpeted floor. Nothing ever happened.
>>344988510
Dumb europoor
>>344988092
>learning everything you need to know
Yeah buddy putting a part into a marked slot is really hard
>>344988092
I'm a 22 year old working 60+ hours a week as a payroll implementation specialist. I put my PC together in 20 minutes and for $400 cheaper than a pre build with the same parts. You have no excuse other than legitimate mental retardation.
>>344987546
Only trouble I ever had with case size was because I've used left overs from a pre-built piece of shit my father got, trying to save some money.
I had to buy an MSI gpu because they make them really short compared to say ASUS or GIGABYTE because otherwise it wouln't fit in the case.
Most of the time as long as you pick up a standard Mid-Tower there should be no problems at all.
>>344988646
this. i've even used a magnetic screwdriver and bent the motherboard
(((berg)))
>>344988510
>calls others "dumb illiterates"
>posts a dumb illiterate
>is a dumb frogposter
Like pottery
>>344988510
>LOGOS
Don't see the problem with getting a pre-built PC DESU; I know I'm paying a premium for being lazy and frankly I don't care. I've built PCs in the past but I don't care about doing it from scratch again, rather pay slightly more to just get a box that I can plug in and be on my way in a matter of minutes.
I built my first budget rig in 2011, using Youtube videos as reference. Everything worked on first boot, except for front panel audio, but fuck front panel audio.
>>344987546
No, fuck you, the only complicated thing is the cooler on the cpu.
That shit makes me literally sweat
>>344988821
Me too. I don't give a single fuck about PC hardware and probably never will
>>344988798
t.mad eu cuck
>>344988860
Literally what?
>>344988510
>(you)
I want to build one, I just need to wait until i'm out of college and have some money saved.
Looks fun though
>>344988510
You're blind as shit nigger.
>>344988510
Hello LEGO marketing division. Sorry you're so confused about what plural forms are good for. I know you can't get marketing research as easily when people say Legos, but you just have to live with that fact. Trying to change it is like trying to tell people the "g" in gif is pronounced "jif"
>vice
when are left wing click bait sites going to be banned from /v/?
>>344989051
It's always nice to learn something new.
Remember to stay calm.
>>344988092
b-but it's better if you do it and not make a professional
>>344988646
Me, too. So what? The meme is still out there and deterring people from buying individual PC parts.
>>344988379
>you leave the door open
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF great argument against ever building your own PC.
>>344988618
You may not have had a concept of how expensive the parts were that you could be breaking, and at 14 we all had tons of free time to the point I was usually bored and reading up on what hardware was how good would be FUN to me. This is not the situation most adults find themselves in.
>>344988421
And then there's this scenario: One of the parts being broken since always, or since shipping, and you having to figure out which one. There is no argument to disarm this risk. It exists and normalfags can't be arsed to take it. And honestly they're right. If I didn't enjoy video games, had a Jewish relationship with money and an interest in programming etc etc why the hell wouldn't I spend the extra 100-200 bucks to have peace of mind and do zero research? The meme that "building a PC is easy, people are idiots for not doing it" misses reality by a mile.
PC is expensive, overheating, energy-draining worthless shit.
>muh games
>It's not complicated because I know how to do it!
Literally the mindset of an autist. The average person doesn't know shit about computers and would not even know where to begin when it comes to buying parts, let alone building one.
>>344989165
>tfw it used to be "that cool website with real news"
Internet journalism was a mistake
>>344986620
>i bought a gimmicky case and couldnt find any info on how to actually put shit together in it
lmao where the fuck is the CPU, where the fuck is its cooler, it doesnt look ilke it could even possibly fit
literally the key to building a bomb ass rig is not cheaping out on the CASE.
i spent like 130$ on mine or some shit like that and i am so fucking greatful i did.
case upgrade and PSU upgrade should be done at the same time now that i mention it since you have to disconnect and reseat everything anyway.
>>344986878
Doesn't really need to be. You can build an adequate one 10 minutes max.
>>344989404
>case upgrade
Why would you ever do that?
>technology news site rights an article about how PC building is hard instead of writing an article about how to build a PC
nu-journalism
>>344988092
Nigger, that's retarded. It takes all of half a fucking hour to learn how to put together a PC, if you're so fucking lazy that you can't even do that then you don't have a fucking job.
That being said, I still just get my local computer shop to do it, I just pay them $30, mail my components directly there, and come pick up my PC a week later.
>>344986620
(((Emanuel Maiberg)))
>>344989304
>expensive
put together over time.
>overheating
temps are all low on idle and are low under load
>energy draining
auto hibernate, monitor auto powers off
>worthless
no.
>>344989404
Just buy a full size tower and never have to worry about space. I've got a 750d which has plenty of room in it
>>344986620
Shit's easier than Legos. You got like 10 parts tops, all of them have very specific slots that are virtually impossible to fuck up (especially these days, RIP ribbons), and thereis zero creativity involved. Even the simplest Lego boxes have like 50 pieces in it.
>>344987229
That's a nordic name. Mai = May (month), Berg = mountain. Maiberg = May Mountain
>>344989530
the front header fans break sometimes or something weird with the bottom legs or mechanical problems in general.
on mine one of the leg pegs snapped off, so the tower can tip over if nothing supports underneath.
not enough to upgrade, but i still want a new case in the future.
>>344989404
>take the entire mobo and everything out just because you unhook shit from the psu
lol wat
>>344989632
>expensive
>put together over time.
That's retarded, you'd get more out of your money if you saved until you can buy all parts at once.
>>344989404
>Not cheap out on case
100% this. I love my rig but I regret the case I was recommended 3 or 4 years ago. 50 dollar nzxt not recommended.
>>344987546
>Worrying about static destroying expensive parts.
That's not really an issue with modern parts. Unless you're dressed in a wool sweater rolling around in the carpet for 30 minutes.
>No accepted standards
Wut? Parts size is the only issue parts has been standardized since the QWERTY keyboard. If you manage to mess this up you didn't do your homework.
>>344989617
>>344989546
underrated
>>344989285
My friend has been running his pc without a case for 5 years now. I wouldn't recommend it for a lot of reasons, but an open door isn't the end of the world. The parts will survive.
>>344989749
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emanuel-maiberg-0b777a25
He writes about Jewish issues. He's a Jew
>>344989767
yeah if you're changing your case, which involves taking out the mobo, you might as well upgrade your PSU also. what is hard to understand about that?
>>344989749
It was just a joke, m8.
I have a 770 right now.
Should I upgrade to a 1070 8G or a 1080? Or should I wait for a price drop on the 900s?
>>344986620
Cant you just pay a little more to get it built?
>>344989935
980ti's have dropped a good amount. Get one on ebay
>>344989749
>Emanuel
>writing for vice
Dude, he's obviously Jewish.
>>344989909
>Jewish issues
>oy vey these goyim are very problematic
>>344989781
not if you buy used the first time. i literally bought a used GPU for cheap and it worked perfectly for me, then i resold it when i got my 980.
you just can't manage funds properly.
also in November you get CPUs for i5s and i7s for cheap.
Reading the article, it comes off as building your own PC is the only way to get into PC gaming. He then says he recommends Macs to non tech savvy persons.
Why doesn't he mention that you can buy prebuilt gaming PCs? A prebuilt gaming PC is still cheaper than a Mac.
>>344989929
>not doubling down on edgy
You're doing /pol/ wrong mein kamerad
>>344990102
the answer is in my pic
>>344990102
Because he's an Apple shill, he even quotes Apple.
>>344986620
I built my own PC from scratch a while ago. Ordered all the parts and put them together just by following the manual that came with the motherboard. It was surprisingly easy.
>>344990156
What he said wasn't that edgy, just half-assed.
>one year or so ago
>decide to build gaymen pc
>order components from trusty website
>CPU came with the wrong cooler, missing thermal paste
>motherboard's manual illustrates a completely different motherboard
>no guides on the internet
>ask manufacturer if i can have correct manual
>answer from customer support is an e-mail literally only saying "No."
>welp, whatever, i'll bring it to an electronics shop and have it built there before fucking something up, it's my first time after all
>some time later they call me
>"... what did you do to the motherboard?"
>apparently the taiwanese factory shithole it was produced in had workers purposely sabotaging their products
>had to pay 300$ than predicted
>day later
>PSU and HDD fail
i love my life
:)
>>344990156
I'm not up for it today, not like I gave it much effort. Doubling down would make it kinda tryhard don't you think?
>>344989882
Noone fucking wants that, is the point. I used to get a weird humming noise from my PC when the door was closed so I left it open for a while, too lazy to identify the underlying issue. I don't even remember what it was but I did solve it. Long story short, a PC is louder when the case is open. And fan noise is already one of the more annoying aspects of PCs in general (not comparing to consoles, console fans and DISC DRIVES HOLY SHIT are even worse).
>>344990101
But at whatever point you're able to buy the last part all the previous parts would surely be even cheaper than they were before. Or are you talking about putting lots of time into finding the best deals (lots of time because first you have to be able to tell what deals are actually good), basically scouting for sellers who don't know how much their used parts are worth? Remember, my whole point is that the average person has good reasons not to engage in any of these behaviours. If what I'm describing here is what you mean then that's time consuming.
>>344990351
this is why newegg exists
>>344987504
The first desktop I bought was a prebuilt.
Since then I've realised they're shit for the amount of money you'd spend, started building shit myself without ever having issues, never looked back.
>>344989935
Unless you plan on getting a 970, it's not really worth it.
the 1060 will have 6gb of vram and you wont have the 3.5gb draw of the of hat of a 970. You'd be better off waiting for 1060 benchmarks.
any laptop anons? how did I do for my first video game laptop?
>>344990351
I only buy parts from newegg or Amazon for this very reason
>>344990351
>:)
>>344990101
You are the first one person i met who buys used pc parts. It's definitely not a common thing.
>>344990527
nice b8 m8
>>344989837
>That's not really an issue with modern parts. Unless you're dressed in a wool sweater rolling around in the carpet for 30 minutes.
who would've thought that this part of my lifestyle would ever cause any problems
I WILL NEVER STOP! it's just how I...roll.
>>344987546
>1. 1. Worrying about static destroying expensive parts.
A scare tactic that's been outdated for a while that still has failsafes even if you're a fucking retard. Anti-static workplace mats and anti-static wristbands exist. Workplace mats are kind of expensive, seeing as the only purpose they serve is for people who assemble PCs for a career or build PCs a lot. Wristbands are like three dollars on Amazon and all you do is attach the clip at the end to the case, there's a wire running up the cord to the wristband that has a piece of metal attached to your skin which keeps you risk-free. I didn't use a wristband but I kind of wish I bought one at the time for the peace of mind it gives people who are afraid of this problem. I also assembled on a tiled floor.
>2. No accepted standards
For the people who are too lazy to actually do the research, Compatible CPU/Mobo bundles exist on Amazon and Newegg. There are already industry standards in place for GPUs and Motherboard sizes. (x16 PCI-E for GPUs the past several years, micro/mini/standard/extended ATX for mobos)
Although I will agree that the amount of studying that goes into understanding what component does what an where to put it is kind of threatening to someone who isn't willing to learn.
>>344990527
It's got a fucking 960m so it's shit
>>344987546
To anyone whining about the first point, it's not just static, but in general the idea that you're handling something incredibly delicate and expensive and that the smallest mistake (drop it, drop something on it, bend it trying to put it in place, short circuit because wrong/missing cable etc. etc.) could easily destroy it.
And inb4 someone goes "Durrr I never make mistakes", that's not the point. The point is the risk and uneasyness is there which is why so many people find the task daunting.
>console users can't into cables and screws
I had to open my ps3 up to replace the thermal paste and put some cardboard between my motherboard and its cover so it would press the cpu closer to the heatsink, like a week ago.
>>344990542
why the angry face anon?
>>344990535And guess where I bought them from.
>>344990542
>>:)
:o
>>344986620
I'm way, way too careful and worried about breaking shit so I take 1-3 hours putting one together even though I've done it dozens of times.
>>344990647
>accidentally short out a piece of hardware with static.
>get a replacement from the merchant you purchased it from
I fail to see the problem here besides the inconvenience.
>>344990478
Is it worth it to get the 1070 or 1080 though?
I heard 1060 might barely be a 970.
>>344990672
succ
>>344990778
taiwan
>>344990647
>short circuit because wrong/missing cable
>when PSU cables themselves have written print on them designating what they go to
>can replace or purchase a missing cable for 20 cents
>>344988274
These fucking coolers are the worst.
>>344990829
It's a dude.
>>344988274
>replacing one of these tomorrow
At least I'll get rid of the piece of shit. It barely cools at all, CPU hits 70-80 during max load, it's competely unacceptable.
>>344988274
Further reason to buy a cheap ass aftermarket heatsink before you build.
Also I wouldn't be worried about scratching the mobo in that situation more than bending/cracking it. The plastic pins from the standard Intel heatsinks are just going through a hole with a small plastic spike being the only thing holding it in place on the other side rather than using an actual screw. Fucking around and wiggling that son of a bitch could definitely do some damage, given enough time. But then again your motherboard is secured in its standoffs really well and shouldn't falter because of some heatsink fuckery.
>>344990287
Edgy antisemitism is edgy even if it is half-assed. Case in point:the response to this post
I really can't thank my parents enough for paying me PC building and programming lessons when I was like 12-13. It was the best thing they could've done to keep me occupied.
Pc building is literally legos for adults, anyone can do it.
>>344991383
Just out of curiosity, what did you learn in the PC building class that you couldn't figure out by yourself?
>>344987546
as someone whos been building gaming pc's for 20 years this triggers me so much.
PC Tech barely changes at all every 4 years.
You're just an immense dumbshit
>>344991504
I'm going to play devil's advocate here but it isn't always so easy. Especially now that new motherboards have some fancy clusterfuck BIOS interface that makes locating basic settings a nightmare and sometimes things just don't work for no reason.
Power consumption is also not so easy to calculate always.
>>344988092
> find local nerd, or the IT guy from your job
> "hey can you build me a PC here's my budget, i'll give you free lunch and some bucks"
> nerd/IT guys is even excited to do if for free
> in the end, even if you paid the guy who research/built the PC for you, it is still way cheaper and better than prebuilt/fagbook
What you said is not an excuse. People on reddit will even do it for free for karma.
>>344988274
Wouldn't it be easier to clip the plastic pins off from the back of the board?
>>344992098
Not him, but I imagine he was trying to do this without completely disassembling his PC, which is what you would have to do to get to the back of the board in most cases.
I have hyperhidrosis and any time I have to do something in my pc it's terrifying.
>>344991762
This i was playing with Pentium 1's and 486's for fun back in the 90's when i was a single digit the shit is literally easier than legos
>Self Diagnosing
>Self Tests
>If you fuck shit up a fuckload of failsafes trip
>Easily testable and resetable
>Everything is automatic
i wish other hardware and technology was this easy
Basically everything else does my head in especially obscure electrical problems on late 90's-early 00's cars
Granted older hardware or cheap non gamer workstation/power user stuff can be horrible to work on (im looking at you dell/oem's)
>>344990643
>tfw using a 960m and happy with it cos im a poorfag
>>344991762
It got me interested in it in the first place. Point is I'd probably never have tried to pry a computer apart by myself (my parents had no idea how a computer work and still don't), and might be writing a shitty blog piece about how PC building is hard right now
>Building first computer
>ready for the first boot
>it doesn't turn on
>mfw
>check everything for hours because I'm positive I did it correctly
>Look on Power Supply
>I thought "O" meant on
>>344992298
i live in straya so its sweat 24/7
>Winter
Sweat because heaters everywhere because fucking cold
>Wummer
Sweat 2.0 because 50-60degrees+ and 100 percent fucking humidity all year
>build pc whilst hungover
>get confused when it doesn't work when put together
>spend ages trying to figure out why it wouldn't turn on
>leave it for a day and sober up
>realise I forgot the standoffs
>all fixed
yay
>connecting some wires is hard
Consoleplebs everybody. Pretty pathetic actually.
>>344990351
that's what you get when you order from alibaba
>>344992363
That is really disappointing. The one thing I don't understand in PC building is optimal air flow and wire management. Airflow may not be too much of a problem because Good cases generally have fans in the right places, but even with a modular power supply, the interior of my PC looks like a rat nest.
>>344992439
>Helping friend build his first PC
>It turns on just fine, but the graphics card doesn't seem to be turning on
>Spend like 2 hours trying to figure it out
>I push down slightly on the graphics card while trying to examine some other shit
>It pops into place
>It was never all the way in the slot in the first place, works just fine now
Boy did we feel stupid
Putting it together isn't hard, but if something doesn't work then it becomes difficult to troubleshoot.
>>344990387
>Or are you talking about putting lots of time into finding the best deals
yes what i did was time consuming, you aren't wrong. it's called OCD, autism's little bro.
>>344990556
yeah it's a vet move. bitcoin miners dumped all their GPUs on ebay and the card i got wasn't really an overclocker.
>>344986682
this is literally the console over pc argument, I hope you understand that
How about this build I'm looking at getting?
Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
I'll be doing more than just gaming on it as well
>oh whatever you fucking nerd it's a 1 hour job
I've only put one together and it took me like 6 hours
>>344990647
Parts are not as delicate as you make them out to be. Motherboards have anti-static boards and you can literally just drop a motherboard and have it still work.
All the issues you complain about are only ever issues if blown extremely out of proportion, the amount of times shit like that actually happens is so minimal that it's damn near statistically insignificant. The only people spouting that kind of shit are the ones who have barely any experience and don't need to be talking about the subject in the first place
>>344993193
Forgot to add I'm putting a 1080 in there
>>344993193
if you're not going to overclock you don't need an extra cooler
also
>windows 10
>>344988092
>>344988092
29, married, father, broadcast engineer and sys op at a radio station
i would never pay someone to build a pc for me because i take pride in not being a helpless mongoloid, and i dont like throwing money away to have someone do a job i could myself in half the time and not half to worry about whether or not it was done correctly
>>344993370
stock intel coolers are shitty and break after a year
>>344992278
Almost all cases today have a CPU cutout on the motherboard tray exactly for this reason, though.
Only prebuilt and older cases lack the cutout from my experiences over the years.
>>344993538
Fair enough. The case I currently have is pretty damn old, I think I bought it in 2007. Back then it was so trendy because it was a "screwless" case.
>>344987546
I've built dozens of PCs on carpeted floors without taking any anti-static measures beyond touching a metallic part of the case before building, never had a problem.
>No accepted standards (for things such as case size, cable lengths, constantly changing sockets for CPUs etc.)
That's just flat out wrong:
ATX, mini-ATX, ITX, etc. are standards, you get a motherboard that is an ATX formfactor and a Case that supports the ATX formfactor they absolutely must fit, that's what those names are there for, they are standards.
I have been building PCs for a good 7-8 years and have never had a cable be too short, the only component that I've ever even HEARD of being an issue with undocumented cable lengths are PSUs and the problem was solved with "I returned it and got an exchange" which any decent PC store will do for you.
When you pit this tiny minuscule chance against every console's higher failure rate, you've made a moot point in the argument for getting a console instead.
If you have a 1155 socket CPU you get a 1155 motherboard, that is a standard, the standards have to be updated because not doing so would bottleneck the progression of CPUs.
PCI is a standard, Molex is a standard, SATA is a standard, HDD and SSD sizes are all standardized, PSU sizes are standardized, Disk drives are standardized, CPU coolers are standardized, PSU connectors are standardized, Front Panel connections are all standardized, fan connectors are all standardized, I/O size is standardized.
Just because you have more than one option to choose from doesn't mean it's not standardized, HDMI did not lose its status as a standard when fucking Display Port was created.
People who think PCs are too complicated do not do what they are talking about, they haven't made the slightest attempt to know what they are talking about, and as a result, they think PCs are too complicated.
You are either stupid or ignorant, simple as that.
>>344993295
this is a stupid argument
the real main reason people don't put together pcs if they haven't done it before is because they don't have any experience in it thus it's daunting.
you can't then complain that it's real easy if you just try it out when you tell people to fuck off if they don't know what they're talking about
>if you dont have the same interests as me you're unintelligent
People just don't care. It's not that they couldn't learn to assemble a computer if they wanted.
>>344990351
should have bought a PS4 so could play Bloodborne at not stare at a black screen.
>>344993691
Mine is from around 2008 and doesn't have one either.
The guy with the stock cooler issue created his own problem by being lazy though.
>>344993747
Just because someone is new to PC building doesn't make static discharge any more likely.
And this guy is right. PC parts are not that delicate. I used to truck around my computer all the time. If they were as delicate as >>344990647 describes, the interior of my PC case would have been sand by now.
>>344992363
I still remember being a little kid thinking that building a computer would require you to solder your own chips in, program the OS through some movie hacker like interface, and use spools of wire.
>>344993746
I think most components now days have built in shock protection to a degree like the small charges from normal static electricity. The only component I've ever damaged with static electricity is RAM sticks. I mean I still recommend not deliberately building up static. My house is completely tile and concrete though so I don't have much experience with carpets
>>344993747
Not him but let me explain this clearer:
>Hey guys I'd love to build a PC but I'm worried about these problems
>Nah don't worry, it's really easy, watch videos and read manuals if you get confused, ask someone if you get completely stumped, good luck.
Is a lot different to:
>PC Building is too fucking hard because everything's so delicate and scary to handle, btw I've never done it I'm just spouting shit I heard second hand, but fuck PCs
>You are a fucking retard who hasn't built a PC
Pretty easy to understand.
>>344994116
Some of my normie friends still think that. They don't believe me when I say the hardest part is choosing the parts you want, and instead think the assembly is difficult. One of my friends saw the light when he watched a few yt videos on assembling one, and when he saw me take mine apart and put it back together in fifteen minutes to replace the motherboard
>>344990473
My first was also prebuilt, but after I ended up replacing most of the insides myself once they started failing/becoming obsolete. After that I realized I basically built a whole PC and have built my own since then.
>>344988918
You put the paste and then somehow have to align the cooler and push it down nice and easy so the paste doesn't slide all over the place, but that fucking thing is impossible to put like that.
Maybe it's because of the type of model my cooler is (Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO), but fuck me that shit ain't easy.
>>344994068
The parts aren't delicate after they're properly installed and secured with screws. Dropping a hard driver can break it though and then there's stuff like bending pins. Static discharge isn't a problem anymore if it ever was.
>get new 980 last year to upgrade
>go to install it
>just won't go in the slot
>check the mobo and surrounding, plenty of room for it to fit
>think I'm just missing the slot
>don't want to push too hard in fear of breaking it but start thinking I'm just not pushing it hard enough
>this goes on for around 20-30 minutes
>finally take the card itself and look at it good
>the fin is bent
>the metal fin at the top end of the card is bent (pic shows what part I'm talking about)
>it's curved inward and is physically preventing the card from going into the slot
>look at mobo where the fin was preventing it from going in, there's light scratches from it pushing and rubbing against it
>know the fin is just a piece of metal, but call evga customer service because I'm not sure if bending it back in place would void the warranty
>after finally explaining to the guy what was happening (he kept assuming I was having trouble because I got the wrong part for my system or didn't know how to build a pc) he says it won't void the warranty
>force it straight like electroshock therapy
>goes in just fine and works perfectly
I still have no idea how they shipped a card without noticing the fin was bent so badly.
>>344986620
>people actually believe this
>implying shit wasn't much harder back when there were no standards for expandability and you actually had to do research to figure out what parts to get
>>344986620
>don't even put your computer parts in a case
>2 minutes to make everything work
milk crate op
>>344986620
part of me wishes building a PC was difficult. it would help filter the jackasses that made the switch, just because of 'muh master race' slogan.
>>344994797
Anytime my company mass orders video cards they come with that same spot bent. I'm sure at this point one of their factories has a guy at the end of the line rambling angrily to himself as he bends them before boxing it.
>>344994797
Well, you tried to install it without noticing.
Maybe it's common though, I've had them arrive bent too.
>>344994946
Bu what about all these wood shards getting into the circuitry
>>344988510
learn to read
>>344995309
It was bent in a way that just a glance wouldn't make you think anything was suspect. Just curved enough to make it catch on the motherboard.
You usually don't assume something so small would be a problem when installing a card, usually you're just worried about getting it installed and seeing if it works.
>>344986620
>I'm a dipshit
ok
How are there people that have trouble putting parts in a computer? It's literally just putting the square in the square hole and the circle in the circle hole.
>>344995329
are you going to use your milk crate to bash people over the head with?
>>344986620
>LEGOS ARE SO HARD
Damn right they're hard. Have you ever forced someone to step on one? Best torture, I tell you
>>344995449
>20 to 30 minutes of him not noticing what was wrong
learn some shame
>>344992932
Oh no, the Mac is on a whole 'nother level than consoles. At least consoles have exclusives going for them, and nowadays they can run some games at 60fps.
I still don't know how to use a computer to this day. I never really gave a fuck in all honesty. Friends tell me I should save up and build one but honestly I'd only use it for porn.
>>344995721
It's this generation of kids who can't wipe their ass without checking a youtube video. If they experience anything they aren't 100% mentally prepared for they break down and stop. For example if the CPU clamp is of a different make than what they saw in the video or if the force required is greater than expected that's it - they're irrecoverably forced out of their comfort zone.
And with all the different parts and new CPUs every year people usually can't find a video (and it has to be a video) that will show exactly how to do it from start to finish. So they usually break off in the research phase. Too much information.
How can you possibly fuck up building a PC now that you have internet access on your phone?
>>344986620
you stupid fucks got conned by a jew pretending to be dumb
this guy purposely writes stupid articles for clickbait.
>>344987546
>Worrying about static
The only time i ever had trouble building a pc was when i bought power supplies from Amazon and it took me FOUR until i got a working one
I build my first PC when I was 11 and that was back in 1997 and I'm by no means a PC geek.
The average person today seems to be unable to do anything that involves using your brain.
>>344987546
3. If you admit to anyone that you're confused and need help you'll be ridiculed by nerds who all asked the same questions when they built their first PC.
>>344988860
This also makes me awfully anxious. I need a xanax after it
>>344996219
Yeah that sounds about right. That perfectly describes the younger generation however I know that the majority of older people refuse to learn how to do it too.
>>344996304
if you believe even half of us read OP's post you're a fucking idiot
I once had a case that I think was making contact with something somewhere and I would actually get mildly shocked, (not zapped)
Motherboard never fried, still running it and my i7920 since 2009.
>>344988860
This. I'm still not sure if I installed by stock i5 cooler correctly but it hangs in there so I can't have fucked it up too badly.
My first computer was AMD something in 2004 and I remember installing the cooler was much easier with some sort of clamp system. That four plastic screw thing Intel use(d?) makes me uncomfortable.
>>344996219
>this generation of kids
Are we're the new generation of "get off our lawn" old people?
>UGH PC GAMING IS JUST SO EXPENSIVE
>Ooooh my $2500 macbook, $1000 iPad AIDS-cum edition and $800 iPhone Cum-in-my-mouth-daddy edition are here! It just werks
people who worry about static are as stupid as the people who think magnetic tip screwdrivers kill computers.
>>344988092
it takes like 20 minutes to plug things in to the only slots they fit in. besides with all the stuff i've been carrying forward from build to build over 10+ years its way less trouble for me to just do it myself.
honestly if you're using your pc for more than facebook and email there's no excuse. and if you're not, you have a smartphone instead of a pc anyway.
>>344996907
yes, you'll never escape this perfect circle
it just looks like a line when you're in it
>>344987546
2 things that fix this are:
1. A $2 static wristband from Amazon [BUT NOW WE'RE OVER BUDGET ON MY $3000 MINECRAFT MACHINE MOM]
2. Research the components ahead of purchase. [Oh fuck but reading is real hard and I need to have someone tell me what legos work together why the fuck am I not buying a prebuilt]
It stops being daunting if you pay attention and don't assume you can just tape shit together. Even though most lego pieces work in tandem regardless.
>>344996717
The difference with this new generation is that they appear extremely enterprising but unless they can find a youtube video describing the task at hand they can't do shit.
>>344996907
Yeah I hear you. But I'm old now so it's my turn. And maybe there's something to it since everyone thinks it at some point?
>>344988092
If you are mentally challenged then yeah and lack basic comprehension skills to follow the motherboard's manual then yeah.
>Brother building PC after getting new parts
>Decide to watch and help
>Take out all the old parts from his case
>Realise nearly every single fucking CPU pin is bent to shit
Reminder to always check all your parts when you get them.
I have dyspraxia and as a consequence don't trust myself in handling the parts and managing cables properly. Most I've done is add RAM and even that freaked me out. It's not a question of how hard it is, it's a question of the costs if you fuck up. Lego, doesn't set you back several hundred when you screw up.
I just choose the parts online, order them and then ask a friend to do it or pay an IT bloke to assemble it.
>>344986620
Putting the PC together doesn't seem too hard.
Now buying the parts for it and making sure you're not wasting extra money on something?
that's the real reaI don't build one. You can't expect me to know the difference between d and nvidaor what kind of intel cpu I should get, or how many Watts of power the power supply I should get.
>>344997498
I buy my shit off amazon and if I were to fuck it up accidentally i'd send it back and claim it was DOA.
thats kinda scummy, but im not gonna lose that kinda money on something.
>>344997498
you don't have 'dyspraxia' you're just plain SLOW
shut yer mouth
>>344993435
>tfw running stock AMD cooler for 8 years now
>>344997498
I don't have dyspraxia or anything but I'm a total clutz. I've never built a PC without dropping or bending something, bleeding into the parts or poking the screwdriver where it doesn't belong. Everything still works. The parts are more durable than they might appear.
>>344986682
>>344990102
>>344995867
>>344996951
>>344990195
>Macfags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEQZ_4V7NYidort reporting in
>>344997821
Okay Dr. shitposter, please continue your online diagnosis
>>344997498
>I'm too stupid to know how to properly handle delicate parts.
>I'll blame a made up mental illness for it!
>>344997958
There's nothing made up about having shit hand-eye co-ordination. No need to be a cunt.
>>344986620
i'd rather not have more children invade my platform but alright
>>344990625
You are the vain of electronics fiend!
>>344997958
>a chronic neurological disorder beginning in childhood that can affect planning of movements and co-ordination as a result of brain messages not being accurately transmitted to the body.
Anon, someone who doesn't even know how to type a nine letter word into google, is all out of room to call other folk stupid.
>>344997958
it takes 2 seconds to google.
there is also a difference between being sad and depression you arrogant man child
>>344997957
you're cackhanded and a little bit thick is all
diagnosis: you'll be fine i guess
The only part of pc building I hate is installing the os and drivers.
I always fuck up at some point and don't know if I did it wrong unless its very noticeable.
>>344998089
>vain
Here's a perfectly good computer for browsing the internet, work with office, and it's even good enough for your small children to play minecraft on along with some other shitty games and go around /v/ pretending to be idorts:
31.90 - AMD a4-4000 FM2
45.90 - Asrock FM2A58M-VG3+ R2.0 (Integrated Graphics card AMD Radeonâ„¢ R7/R5 Series)
37.90 - Corsair Value Select 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz CAS9
51.50 - Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATAIII 64MB (6GB/s)
22.90 - Nox Forte (case)
31.90 - Nox Urano SX 500w
222€ total
>>344998319
>desktop computer for browsing the internet
Are you posting from the past?
>>344986620
I fucking loved Legos when i was a kid
And honestly building PC is easier
Building custom Lego Man O'war? Now that was hard
>>344987546
>some sites have actually solved this problem, they won't let you configure builds with incompatible pieces
Already answered 2) in your own post.
>>344998191
yeah one is a human emotion and the other is a feeble-minded inability to overcome destructive habits and act responsibly and with dignity
>>344998235
I am fine. My bill is slightly higher than people who do the work themself, but I eliminate all risk of wreaking my shit.
>>344998401
desktop Macs sell and that's exactly what they are used for.
>>344997821
>>344997958
>>344998235
Dyspraxia is a real thing you cunt.
>>344998319
>amd
It definitely is a cost over performance build
>>344998606
Do they though? Except for offices I doubt they sell much of the lower spec ones. Also I'm sure the integrated iMacs look better than your bargain bin box. The bin is pretty powerful and not comparable.
Also
>500W
>>344988510
this anon is probably digging his own grave right now
>>344998537
>destructive habits
there we go, assumptions galore by a fucker who's had everything handed to him on a clean plate.
there is no real point in trying to convince you because at the end of the day you're going to vote trump anyway
>>344998606
The Mac would come with a monitor at least.
>>344988274
I fucking hate those pieces of shit. I want to kill whoever designed those. The one I had broke in the end and I replaced it with a cheap Arctic heatsink.
>>344998861
What the hell are you on about?
>>344986620
>build PC for the first time last summer
>attach the PSU to the case with too long screws
>pierce its cables and internals
>get literal fireworks when I boot it up for the first time
GAAAH I WAS RUSED
>PC "MASTER" RACE
Build a PC instead of buying a shitty prebuilt, for fucks sake it's not hard to do, and you got Logical Increments there to help you get the right parts for your budget.
If you're hell bent on getting a Mac, for fucks sake buy one used instead of shelling out the fucking $500-$3000+ amount. Though really only do this if you already have a PC
>>344998606
Except they're all complete shit except for the Mini
>Can get a older Mini for nearly half the amount a new one goes for, but you have to go for the one that can run the current OS
>iMacs overheat very easily and can eventually lead to the video components shitting itself thanks to how poorly designed it is.
An example is one of those old white imacs, I had one of them and after about a year the screen started tripping out and shat itself. Those fuckers were not built for performance but rather to look pretty, which yeah they do, but goddamn that's fucking awful if the thing overheats that bad enough that it actually fucks the whole thing over.
>>344999121
I wish this story was true.
>>344986620
You can teach a complete idiot with no prior experience to put a computer together in like 2 hours. Gunpla is harder than this shit
>>344999121
Well your first problem was placing those fireworks inside of your computer case.
tech fags thinking building a computer is any harder.
kek a monkey could build a pc.
>>344999175
it is literally just bought a PS4 because you lying fucks foce this PC meme.
>>344990828
According to NVidia (Dunno what it's worth), a 1060 is equivalent to a 980
>>344999175
it is, I'm sure you can find my desperate cry for help in some of /g/'s july 2015 stupid question generals in some archive
>>344999285
I didn't know the PSU had hidden fireworks features
>>344998861
you have no idea who I am or what you're talking about haha
>>344999024
most people who are depressed don't feel sad per se, they feel nothing.
so no matter what they're doing it feels like they're just going through motions instead of actually living their lives.
the absence of emotion is what makes them morose and generally not feel like doing anything.
>>344988274
I ripped out my old FX 8320 alongside the stock cooler when i was trying to replace it , surprisingly none of the pins were bent and it worked fine afterwards. Had me scared shitless
>ERRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTCKKZKCZKKZCSNAP
You dont have to buy each piece of lego individually you dumb fuck
>>344999413
that makes two of you
>>344992932
Holy shit, you're right. No wonder I can't stand Apple users. I can't believe I'd never realized this before. They even use the same nonsensical arguments.
>>344986620
>Don't know how to post constructively against a popular thought
>greentexts in all caps and makes ridiculous reddit-tier comparison to legos
I love pcgaming but I'd love it more if you end your own life.
>>344999575
Memes xddd
>>344992932
suddenly
enlightenment post
impressive anon
>>344999313
How did you even do it? Did you use a electric screwdriver without a torque limiter? And where'd you get the screws? They couldn't have been supplied.
Were theyWOODSCREWS?
>>344999349
Doubt it. Nvidia proved(others did it for them since they lied) the 1070 is barely a 980ti. That would mean their 1070 and 1060 are almost identical.
>>344999304
This is not true. Not at all.
>First time builder
>Spends 10 hours trying to understand all the little details with his tiny brain like sockets, RAM timings, WHAT THE FUCK DOES SATA MEAN, GUYS?? Is this GTX 750 Ti good? And so on.
>Finally gives up and has someone spoonfeed them a parts list which is probably bad because he went to /v/ and there is rampant fanboyism and no objectivity
>Parts arrive
>Watches 15 youtube videos on how to build PC
>Is scared as shit because he's a pussy and has no confidence in his ability to build it
>Spends the next 2 hours going back and forth between laptop/youtube and PC, putting things together
>Takes a 1 hour break to go cry about how he's terrified of installing the CPU+bracket / applying thermalpaste and goes to watch videos about it
>Eventually finally puts it together
>It doesn't start
>Starts to panic and comes back to 4chan to make a thread asking for help
>Eventually turns out he didn't plug in the front panel connectors or only 20/24 pins
>Now it starts but turns off right away
>Stresses for ages until he notices the CPU power connectors aren't plugged in
>A day later he finally puts together a crappy little mess with no cable management and probably stupid mistakes like missing screws on the mobo
This is literally 98% of you retards on /v/. Building PCs isn't hard but it's not the easiest thing either. The "lego" comparison is fucking retarded because it's nowhere near as simple as smashing 2 pieces together.
>>344986620
More like expensive.
>>345000115
Why the fuck is applying thermal paste so intimidating for so many people? It's so hard to fuck up.
>>345000000
100% confirmed nvidia btfo
>>344986620
Figuring out what to get is the hardest part of building a PC. Well that and pic related the first time.
>>345000263
The bigger question is why is it such a hot topic at all? Most people use stock coolers that have those pre applied stickers.
>>344993193
I5 is more then enough for gaming i7 is a meme also
>win10 wew lad
>>345000000
waste
