>Your team has been wiped out
>>344980257
>>344980257
Such a good fucking game.
Shame about how Vegas turned out.
>>344982168
I'm still mad.
The genre went full retard/multiplayer only.
>>344982168
They just lost their way after RS3.
Setting up complicated maneuvers with an AI team is the coolest shit and you just don't get anything like that anymore.
What pisses me off is how this style of gameplay got abandoned before it could be perfected.
![hqdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ouiq7ej.jpg "hqdefault[3].jpg")
>that one /v/ steam group that played Rainbow for like 6 months straight
>when we literally played it to death we got into Vietcong 1 multiplayer, RO1, SWAT4, PR, ARMA1 but Rainbow was still played for at least an hour every day
>those 150 rounds in the row on Elite on Garage map with 150ms ping
>all the fun times
>all the kashmunni tournies with game prizes
rip virgindown, it was great while it lasted but then that faggot cynig had to fuck it all up
>>344985356
I would say that it would lie somewhere between Raven Shield and Insurgency. Insurgency is nice but it's too snappy and arcadey, it needs to be slowed down a lot, you need to have that sense of weight of the chest rig on you and your gun. Raven Shield simulates this perfectly with different level of armor, but it needs ADS and way, way, waaaay better programmed AI, especially squadmate AI for breaching.
>>344980257I was never good enough to plan my own raids, I just took the planned routes as a team lead.
>>344985356
Gameplay was taken by Breach and Clear and Door Kickers who took the tactical map planning and made it into a game. It never developed into a proper 3d game unfortunately, and since Breach and Clear crawled up it's own ass and went with a zombie focused second game that feels like more of a parody and Door Kickers seems to be happy running on a multitude of fan maps I'm not sure anyone will develop them further.
>>344986050
Planning segment was just far too restricting and it didn't allow you to do anything creative. You had only a few synchronization points available, plus your teammate AI was far too dumb.
>order the niggas to stack up, open, flash and clear
>they stack up
>first in the stack stands literally right in front of the door
>opens the door
>only then proceeds to slowly switch to a flashbang
>starts getting shot to shit without even tossing the damn thing inside
>finally tosses it
>proceeds to switch to his primary for the following 3 seconds, while praying to god he has heavy armor on
>only then the team starts going in
![_tn_Mobile Suit Gundam- Zeonic Front [SLUS 20233].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9u7KRIu.jpg "_tn_Mobile Suit Gundam- Zeonic Front [SLUS 20233].jpg")
>>344985669
I'm not interested in the realistic weapon handling part so much as I'm interested in the tactical planning part.
It drives me crazy that the only other game to try something like R6's planning phase is a Gundam game of all things. (See pic related)
You have strategy games, but it's not quite the same when you aren't actually one of the guys on the ground.
>>344986813
Even so, it still did realistic weapon handling, at least to a higher degree than games even a decade later do. If you get wounded your aim goes to shit, permanently. Also, ingame selection of weapons was downright mind-boggling back in the day, and it still has more variety than most games do today. I also liked how silencers/other attachments affected different ratings of a weapon. And there was also the mini-rpg element to it, if you used the same operators through the missions their stats would go up. Pretty fucking neat.
As far as tactical planning goes, it would be nice if a game would go really balls deep into the matter, teaching you about different sectors/quadrants when breaching etc. That way planning would be important because you would have to assign team members to different shit, but it would also come down to you executing your own portion because otherwise either you or one of your team mates could get fucked up. I just want everything to be manual, no "press E to dynamic entry", I want to manually open the door with the selective speed (super slow mousewheel, medium speed, full on door kicking etc) and to manually do everything else.
Surely there is a demand for something like this.
>>344986523
I have to say a lot of missions felt like there was one way to do things, and if you deviated from that it was done to pure luck if it would work so if you breach in a well orchestrated attack you could still fail because unlike the way the AI was programmed for the set path they could do something stupid, or anticipate an action that should have been out of their range.
Still better than the N64 version of Rainbow 6 which was a shooter but still pretented it was R6. All body armor was the same speed and protection wise, no inventory bar the grenades worked, you had auto-map on so you saw where everyone was, no environmental hazards in any level, so instead of a "you die" if you get hit in the bio-hazard levels you can go in with no hazmat suits/heavy armour and walk out just fine, you could blow a door with a grenade if you had to instead of running into a door and having to quit.
>>344987571
PS1 also had its ports of RS1 and Rogue Spear. Also, the exclusive Rainbow game called Lone Wolf.
Odd thing is that PS1 version of RS1 actually had first person weapon models so that was cool as fuck back in the day. All horrible games by any objective merits obviously, but I remember having some fun with Rogue Spear split screen multi.
PS1 in general had its fair share of early tactical shooter games. There were shitton of Spec Ops games which were retardedly difficult but back then they were more /k/ than anything available, exclusive Delta Force Urban Warrior (or Urban Warfare?) game, also depending if you count it but Syphon Filter series were awesome.
>>344987339
Unfortunately single player tactical shooters are in the weird limbo where they're too complicated for the AAA audience but also too expensive for indie devs to take a crack at.
Quick somebody find a way to get tumblr and pol to argue over tactical shooters so the thread stays alive.
>>344986523
You'll be amazed at what putting an AI sniper in a smoke cloud lets you get away with.
>>344991970
It's sad that even /v/ doesn't give two shits about the genre. COD4 is the nostalgia shooter nowadays.
>>344992351
Smokes are retarded tier broken in Raven Shield dude. Enemy will downright ignore you.
>>344991970
Rail based shooter to liberate the concentration camps so you have to take down the guards, but half way through you change to the survivors shooting down the Russians advancing on the camp that are willing to kill people and blame the Germans for it. Then it turns out both sides were protecting the africans in the basement from widespread persecution.
>>344992351
>Smokes are retarded tier broken in Raven Shield dude. Enemy will downright ignore you.
It's true. The graphics for the smoke are actually slightly smaller than the area of effect, so you can stand at the very edge of the cloud and still be concealed with no vision penalty.
>>344992619
That's neo-/v/ for you
>>344995994
>he says havbing been here a week
>>344996264
Trying to talk about gameplay here is like trying to talk about the principles of comic art on /co/.
It has always been like this. Just look at fighting game threads.
>>344997252
Fighting game threads are 99% smash shit with occasional SF, but its the very latest SF games..
How many times have you seen a valid, in-depth discussion on Tekken, KoF, VF or whatever actually legitimate series?
>>344997416
Almost never, which is the point I'm trying to make.
>>344997252
Way to keep digging /co/mrade. Why not fuck off back there instead of pretending you're better than the reastg of us.
I guess if even Splinter Cell had to go full retard then Rainbow 6 had no prayer.
>>344998561
At least "modern" SC is still kinda fun. R6 and GR went to shit once they got the Vegas treatment.
>>344982168
what?
i always htought vegas was the best in the series along with Ghost:Recon
>>344998827
Blacklist was better than I thought it was going to be but it felt more like a Deus Ex game than a Splinter Cell game.
Still need to play the Rainbow Six games. I bought them on a sale but never got around to playing them.
Playing SWAT 3 at the moment though. And SWAT 4 kind of but I like 3 better.
Though for the people saying nobody wants to talk about these kinds of games, it's because the genre is basically dead, like stealth. There are a few indie games doing similar things but there aren't too many tactical shooters coming out.
Someone posted about an upcoming game called Due Process which looks pretty cool though. It's multiplayer only though, I want more single player games.
>>344998828
(you)
>>344998924
>Though for the people saying nobody wants to talk about these kinds of games, it's because the genre is basically dead, like stealth. There are a few indie games doing similar things but there aren't too many tactical shooters coming out.
The worrying part is that nobody is really capable of making them anymore.
Like look at Brothers in Arms. Would you really trust Gearbox to make another one?
>>344999501
Ehhh they are not that difficult. You don't need an exceptional writer, art direction or anything of that sort. You just need someone who is very very autistic about military shit and knows what can work in a video game form.
>>345000486
tydoormin
>>345000486
How come you just quietly open the doors instead of blowing them up and then pumping tear gas and flashbangs everywhere and then storming in with autoshotguns and m60s?
We gotta use as much shit as possible or they're gonna cut our budget!
>>345001620
>___door
>>344991970
niGGers don't like Rainbow Six Siege because it has women in it, despite the series always having women.
>>345001620
That WebM was ages ago, and I remember that level in particular being hard as fuck. Rescuing that hostage in the open hall, not to mention the fuckers down in the vaults. I had to save the best for last.
>>345001620
tbqh using breaching charges is my fetish in raven shield, as (im)practical as they are.
most players don't get that they don't have backblast so you can stack right in front of it and rush the fuck in, high speed low drag af
>tfw no Clancy Games General
>tfw /v/ never talks about Ghost Recon or it's mods
>>345001868
Why can't they just do what Payday swat do and them to run to safety.
>>345002536
GR1 with mods is great.
>>345002561
Well, technically, as far as I know, that's what the 'trailers' would do in a situation like this, as well as clean out dead bodies.
Naturally it wouldn't work like that in real life as the hostages would be the number one priority. But they did what they could with the technology at the time. The likes of which I doubt we'll ever see again.
>>345001912
Breaching charges actually stun enemies like flashbangs do, and they're super good at drawing aggro so I wouldn't call them impractical.
The AI is much better at using them then they are at using flashbangs to breach, plus it's neat to use go-codes and have a stun on demand.
>>345002905
My problem is that i find Slow4 utterly inferior in every regard to Rainbow. It's a neat little game and I wish we got more like it, but RS was just that better.
The Regiment was pretty great.
>>345003060
There's a reason why the SWAT series is dead and Rainbow is still alive.
>>345003060
I actually like SWAT4 more, sure it's slower, but you've got rules to follow, unless you're a scrub playing on easy mode.
This means you'll have to use your tools, rather than what RainbowSix does, which is kill every motherfucker in sight. And I don't mean that as a bad thing, they're just different. RainbowSix is what happens after negotiations fail, they're the cleanup crew. While SWAT has rules and protocols to follow.
>>345003406
Played SWAT4 online not that long ago.
>>345003406
Wish we got an actual tactical shooter about Delta guys doing cool delta guy shit, since they more or less perfected the airplane seizing.
>>345003406
>"""""""""""alive"""""""""""
>>344998924
I still play Hidden and Dangerous 2 with my father in co-op, such a fun fucking game. Same goes for Raven Shield and SWAT 4. I hate the "ADHD generation" meme, but something went wrong with Western gamers at some point (I recently stumbled upon a comment on a 7.62 HC walkthrough video, made by a Russian no less, calling the YouTuber a "retarded Westerner" for not being able to clear NATO base level).
>>345003565
>>345003060
I like the tension Swat 4 can have of clearing a house and knowing that there are only one or two people in there but that it's still a threat.
>>345003685
>I hate the "ADHD generation" meme, but something went wrong with Western gamers at some point
Developers learned that people like the idea of what they're doing more than what they're actually doing.
>>345003685
I wish I could make HD2 work in multi, we can never see each other online so we have to play on shitty online hosted servers with dumbass rules and settings.
>>345003565
I just prefer the role of SOF-type unit over assaulting a small restaurant against a few thugs with Uzis. Also SWAT4 does some things that just don't gel with me:
>cramped environments
Yes I know about CQB but there is something just wrong with world scaling in S4.
>shitty gunplay, shitty recoil, shitty weapon selection
Most emphasis on recoil, guns feel like you handled a minigun to a fucking infant. Inexcusable.
>game is too easy to cheese
Just abuse paintball gun.
>enemy AI doesn't react to you yelling SWAT! 90% of time
You can claim this is realistic but factually it renders the main gimmick that game offers sort of obsolete. And then the game penalizes you for "abusing" the suspects.
>>345002698
>Zapad-81 scratches my Cold War gone hot itch like nothing else
>Try Red Storm Rising, which needs Heroes Unleashed
>It doesn't work with the most recent HI
>Neither is being updated anytime soon
I just want to kill commies myself, World in Conflict and Wargame no longer cut it.
Life is suffering.
>>345004532
>that feel when using VZ58 in GR1
>>345004317
>I wish I could make HD2 work in multi, we can never see each other online so we have to play on shitty online hosted servers with dumbass rules and settings.
Try GameRanger, maybe? I must say that we play it on a physical LAN connection, so there never were any problems. As for the dumb-ass servers: at this point the only people that play it online are Slavs and third-worlders with ancient PCs (or clans, but those are rare).
None of you actually helped fund this piece of shit, right?
>>345004204
Not to mention SWAT has 'bystanders' or people who are willing to surrender, and even better yet, fake surrender and take up arms again if you don't handcuff them fast enough.
>>345004317
>game is too easy to cheese
Fair enough, but I disagree with the AI not reacting to the yelling. You just have to 'persuade' them into submission, aka pepper spray, flashbangs, smoke grenades, taser, etc.
The game ain't perfect, but if you just play it straight and don't abuse a very, very old game that did something no other game has ever done, then you're in for a good time. Especially if you learn to effectively command your team/use snipers.
>>345004650
We tried shitton of virtual LAN networks (hamachi, evolve, tunngle etc). I'm pretty sure it would work flawlessly in actual physical local network.
>>345004687
Top tier cucking was when they released this shit on xbox live.
>>345004923
how so?
>>345004687
Didn't all sorts of things go wrong with this game's development?
Like they had a publisher lined up to fund things and they pulled out at the last second?
>>345004923
Tell us the story, anon?
>>345004617
>Island Thunder
>Election mission
>Round a corner
>Some Cuban dude with the Vz 23 waiting for me
>He magdumps from 5 yards away
>Doesn't hit me
>CZECHNOLOGY
>Put a burst in his chest and feel like Jules from Pulp Fiction afterwards
All I want in life is SWAT 4 remastered in UE4
>>345005389
Does SWAT 4 play nice with Windows 8.1?
>>345003685
It's kind of disingenuous for people to keep qualifying what they're saying by adding western to it considering the kinds of games popular in Japan. The entire games scene is messed up and Japan is no exception. Even Russia which you used in your example eats up F2P garbage left and right even if there's a minority that plays tactical games, which is true of the US as well.
>>345004687
I did.
>>345005213
Indeed. The Kickstarter was to assure an investor because publishers didn't want to back up a tactical shooter. The investor bailed out soon after successful funding. They managed to get a publisher but things had to be scaled down and schedule got tight. Many other problems as well due to poor choices and luck such as audio library locking them to certain UE version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDz7C1d2TA
>>345004760
Do enemies get back up in 4 if you don't cuff them? I know they do in 3 but I think I read they don't in 4.
Had a hell of a time trying to find 2 hostages in one of the levels in SWAT 3 with them running around and hiding in rooms I didn't even know existed.
Bump for more discussion.
>>345005389
>>345005759
SWAT 4 is fine, it doesn't need a remaster. Could use a digital release though but there's a rights issue apparently.
>>345003406
>10K players max and bleeding players
>alive
I'm glad your shitty CSGO clone is dying
>>345009091
Why not?
Just have the same mechanics and shit, but make it prettier.
No need to change anything but the visuals.
![McNamara-CAG[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CO72mFe.jpg "McNamara-CAG[1].jpg")
>>345003621
this
I need more plain jeans operatings
bumping lads
>>345010668
Then play The Division and preorder Wildlands! :^)
>tfw so desperate for operations I'm actually doing this
Seriously though, there are mods for Ghost Recon that fit what you're looking for pretty well. Ground Branch mite b cool if it ever comes out.
Alright, I got Rainbow Six Raven Shield, GR1 with mods, Insurgency, SWAT4 and bunch of other shit installed. If anyone wants to coop later today post yours team IDs
>>345009639
>Calling Siege a CSGO clone when you probably didn't even play it
>Only looking at Steam numbers
>Claims to be bleeding players without providing a single fact to back that up
>Probably doesn't realize the whole Rainbow Six series has always had a smaller population compared to other shooters
>>345010668
Breach and Clear. Campaign is meant to be delta force in Afghanistan but you can chosoe multiple teams only difference is pants they wear as default and some very minor stat deviation/
Why are tactical shooters dead, /v/?
>>345014696
Because they didn't follow proper procedure.
>>345014696
>tactical shooters
You mean terrorist simulators?
>>345014696
Because only Arma and Red Orchestra 2 did it right recently.
>>345010668
>tfw no high speed tactical shooters with excellent sound design
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLGt5IfzgKo
>>345014696
>switching hands instead of fucking leaning
>9mm
get fucked
>>345015084
>>switching hands instead of fucking leaning
What speed difference will you see? Tactical or just speed run?
>>345011620
Doorkickers is great too.
>>345015724
It's not about speed, its about being right in front of a tight corner with your hand of your rifle grip for a solid second.
>>345015053
You literally just described Rainbow Six Siege
>>345016016
>tfw Siege has no decent SP/co-op PvE
If it did I'd pull the trigger on it today.
>>345016270
Does it seriously not have terrorist hunt?
>>345016008
After your comment and re-watching it makes it a lot more obvious. Painfully so.
>>345016270
>>345016426
It does have terrorist hunt
>>345016426
I heard it was lackluster at best, and the campaign is short as shit. Hence my reluctance to drop $50+ on it for Xbone because I run a toaster.
>>345017293
On top of that, my toaster laptop has a shitty connection and frequently tells me to plug in a cable. It's especially bad during summer, to the point I've become a phoneposter.
