which console was the best?
>inb4 ps2fags talk about muh 155 gorillion
this is strictly about games
Gamecube and PS2 won. Both had fucking fantastic libraries, PS2 in quantity and Gamecube in quality.
>>344979798
>ps2 at moms house
>gamecube at dads
>xbox at friends house
Xbox was better for more people.
Ps2/Gamecube won out in singleplayer games
I like the Huegbox most. PS2 has the most games worth playing though.
for playing games with friends Gamecube and XBOX
For single player fun, PS2
PS2 > Gamecube > Dreamcast > Xbox
They were all brilliant systems.
I really don't know what I think was best, but I think the XBOX was legitimately underrated, especially since it was the only console to get some otherwise PC only shit
>The feels when thinking about renting morrowind, Jedi Academy and Kotor2
It also had some neat features like ripping music to your hard drive to listen to in game.
>>344979620
ps2
>>344979620
the most popular one with 155 million sales
PS2 had Ratchet & Clank, Jak, Tekken and San Andreas, it was the default console that everyone had
Xbox has Serious Sam, Halo and JSRF the best multiplayer console
I had almost nothing for my GameCube. I enjoyed Mario Kart Double Dash, Day of Reckoning and Spider-Man 2 alot though.
Everyone wins except dreamcast. You only had that if you were an early weeb.
PS2, far more games than the rest
And more powerful than Gamecube and Dreamcast
dc wuz ps2 iz
>>344979620
Quality of games: Xbox
Most games: PS2
Better build quality : Xbox
Good (but few) exclusives: Dreamcast
Better controller: Xbox/PS2 tie
Today there is not a single reason to own a ps2 because every good game was remastered
>>344982359
The duke was a terrible design
>>344979620
PS2 because it had SMT games
>>344982431
I'm talking about the smaller one
>>344982431
not my fault you had baby hands
>>344982164
>And more powerful than Gamecube
Is the other way around anon
>>344982507
Stop trying to destroy the thread
>>344979620
I'd say Probably gamecube for its exclusives. Xbox for the rest.
PS2 was an amazing console but a large amount of its best sellers were better on the GC or Xbox. Xbox also was in that weird position of being a near enough to a low-mid range pc of the time and getting lots of half decent PC ports.
>>344979620
Even not considering the outselling amount that PS2 had, it is still the best videogame due to its game library. For each exclusive from GC and XBox you can have 5 for PS2.
>>344982359
>quality of games xbox
>best exclusives: dreamcast
>better controller not being gamecube controller
how hard is it to admit the gamecube had the best in these categories?
>>344982564
I think in one aspect was more powerful but I don't remember. It has nothing to do with disc size though
But usually Gamecube had better anti-aliasing and texture mapping
PS2 (just like PS3) was hard to develop for
Early dreamcast games had better graphics than PS2 graphics until 2002/2003
>>344982564
>Is the other way around anon
Uh, no
>>344982164
First statement is true
Second is false
>>344982598
The Gamecube controller was comfortable, but the c-stick was shit, the d-pad wasn't great and it was lacking in buttons.
>>344982164
in terms of power, it went xbox > gamecube >> ps2 >> dreamcast. it wasnt more powerful in any way.
>>344979620
Out of those 4, I would truly say the playstation 2 even thought I bought a gamecube & an xbox.
>Xbox
Just like now, the Xbox was fucking worthless if you had a PC.
There are reasons for why it has never sold well outside of America.
>>344982759
Xbox was such a great machine. It has better graphics than 2006 wii and for that time pcs were expensive, CPUs were loud and GPUs had huge coolers
For 300 dollars Xbox was better than build a PC in 2001/2002/2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GameCube-exclusive_titles
To me there is only 2 gamecube exclusives worth playing: Wario World and Star Fox Adventures
>>344979620
The dvd player that had better and more games than dedicated gaming machines.
>>344982507
I still have tiny hands and it is still a terrible design
>>344982669
oh look its that one image that is always used in defense when there are countless articles and specs and quotes proving thea thte GC was in fact stronger than the PS2.
>>344982931
so the xbox then
>>344982976
post tits
>>344979620
Gamecube, hands down. PS2 is close, but GC was really the best console, it had some awesome games like F-Zero, Metroid, Smash, Zelda and so on. If I had to choose between ps2 and gc, I'd say gc with no remorse.
Dreamcast was cool but it died too fast. About xbox, there was no need for it, as always.
>>344979620
is this loss?
>>344982994
i hear a lot of talking but not a lot of posting proof
>>344979620
The Xbox is the western Sega Saturn: A marvelous machine full of hidden gems. And unlike the SS, you can actually play those games because they're not behind a language barrier.
It feels funny putting up the DC against the other 3,though. The Xbox was basically an upgraded Dreamcast. Everything from the controller design, the launch games, the OS, and the core design.
>>344983047
Fuck off back to /b/
>>344982845
And then it became fucking worthless while good PCs of the time lasted you well into the next generation. Making it more worth the money in the long run anyway.
>>344982845
>For 300 dollars Xbox was better than build a PC in 2001/2002/2003
Wahahaha.
Xbox used a Pentium 3, which was out of date with the release of Pentium 4 Northwood in early 2002, and it used a GeForce 3 which was out of date with the release of GeForce 4 also in early 2002.
Xbox was on-par (not better, just on-par) with PCs for like one or two months and vastly outdated after that.
>>344979620
>which console is best guise
>second line is berating ps2 fans
nice one OP, good thread.
>>344982994
>>344979620
They were all great.
I never cared for the sly raccoon/jak/ratchet/any other furry platformer/whatever so PS2 didn't really appeal to me.
>dreamcast have arpund 10 games worth playing
>gamecube have 5
>ps2 have 30
>xbox have otogi/ninja gaiden
my brother got a playstation and i got a dreamcast/gamecube, no need for the abortion
>>344983257
>furry platformer
>>344982915
Eternal Darkness
F-Zero GX
Kirby Air Ride
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Wario World
Those are all must-play tittles imo.
>>344983261
>dreamcast have arpund 10 games worth playing
try 20
>>344983174
Pentium 4 was $644 at launch and then droped to $500 12 months later
>>344982704
Dreamcast had better Internal Cache, Pixel Depth, Image Processing Functions, Instructions Per Second, Real-world polygon capacity, Simultaneous textures,Texture compression, Default game resolution and Audio Capacitates, had more built in controller port and launched with online capabilities.
It was more powerful and better thought out in some ways, hell, there is discrepancy between all of the systems that way, with Xbox and Gamecube towering over the other two in raw power.
>>344983235
It's always amazing to look back and see how fucking fantastic the Xbox was compared to the PS2/GCN.
>>344979620
>this is strictly about games
Then PS2. It's weak machine, but the game library is the best in term of quality and quantity.
>>344983328
>Kirby Air Ride
>The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
>Double Dash
>Paper Mario
>Super Mario Sunshine
The only good in your list is Metal Gear Remake
>>344982994
The image is true on that case alone, GC was complete shit on physics based stuff, Floating point calculation was complete wank on it.
The Xbox was terrible in that regard aswell especially when you played Half Life 2 on it and fucked around with the gravity gun, framerate gone.
>>344983461
Shit taste detected. Blocked! :)
>>344983363
>Pentium 4 was $644 at launch and then droped to $500 12 months later
You're talking about Pentium 4 Willamette which was the expensive, unfinished version released in 2000. I'm talking about Northwood which was the 'real' Pentium 4 released in early 2002.
The performance was actually good and it wasn't nearly as expensive as you say.
dreamcast > ps2 > xbox > gamecube
>>344983328
Oh yea I forgot about Metroid Prime 1-2.
>>344983352
i have 23. i said 10 because i dont think half of them were that great
>>344982598
Poster was quite obviously a delusional Xbox fanboy.
>>344983660
so why did you even get the other 13 you dumb nigger
>>344983530
NintendoGAF
>>344983587
>it wasn't nearly as expensive as you say.
This article from 2002 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/72378-intel-launches-northwood-amd-responds
" The 2.0A-GHz Pentium 4—the “A” is used to distinguish the 0.13-micron “Northwood” Pentium 4 from the 0.18-micron “Willamette” Pentium 4—is priced at $364, while the 2.2-GHz version commands a price of $564. "
>>344979620
PS2 still wins by a landslide, because it had the largest selection of games. It basically hade every genre covered. Don't even know how this shit is still up for debate.
>>344983352
Way more, considering its great quantity/quality ratio of the 600+ games it saw in its lifetime/after.
PS2 of course steamrolls the competition with a library approaching 2500 games, but there was also a lot more shovelware there.
>>344983812
The largest.. yes but in quality Xbox had the best exclusives and multiplat
Crimson Skies, Ninja Gaiden and Halo > PS2
>>344983812
>Don't even know how this shit is still up for debate.
some people dont like underpowered dvd players
>>344983393
>Dreamcast had better Internal Cache
wrong, PS2's CPU had more of it particularly if you include the vector units which had their own cache
>Pixel Depth
wrong, dreamcast was locked to dither filtered 16 bit while PS2 had the option of 32 bit
>Instructions Per Second
wrong, SH-4 couldn't even come close to Emotion Engine
>Real-world polygon capacity
wrong, Dreamcast's GFLOPS and fill rate were vastly inferior to PS2
>Simultaneous textures
wrong, dreamcast didn't support multitexturing so that's 1 texel per cycle, while PS2 had 8 texture units for 8 texels per cycle
>Texture compression
sort of, dreamcast had hardware support for VQ compression but PS2 could do it in software
>>344984006
Most people enjoy good video games
>>344984067
agreed
>>344983780
>This article from 2002 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/72378-intel-launches-northwood-amd-responds
There was also a 1.6 ghz Pentium 4 released at that time and it retailed for $150 USD. Will kick the shit out of an old 733mhz Pentium 3
>>344979620
That feel when in hindsight you wish you could have had all four of them instead of just the GCN and PS2.And you can't even emulate the Xbox.
6th gen is best gen
>>344979620
Dreamcast = PlayStation 2 > Gamecube = Xbox
>>344983142
Fuck you. You come on the Internet spouting about how you're a woman, you've gotta show tits or gtfo
>>344979620
>loss
I had the Xbox, PS2 and a GC.
I loved to play Halo 2 on Xbox live and I enjoyed Fable as well. I also used the Xbox as a media center the most.
PS2 had some really great essential games like ICO, SOTC, MGS1-2 and FFXII.
But, the GC for me had the games I had most fun with and overall beter exclusives. I feel that the people that prefered the PS2 were usually poor people that couldn't afford a good PC. I've always had a decent PC and for me GC was the definite choice if I had to choice.
But again all systems were great and I enjoyed them all.
>>344983720
they looked worth playingSpawn , sonic shuffle , alone in the dark 4 , outtriger , those are my buyers remorse ,then i have virtua tenis tenis 1+2 which are the only esports games i enjoyed
>>344984287
I'm not spouting shit, I'm saying the controller was garbage because it was huge and I have small hands and proved I have small hands
The Xbox had the best versions of multiplats (aside from PC but for the price of the Xbox it could run PC ports nicely) and had a good lineup of exclusives, and also had easily the best online of any 6th gen console
>>344979620
What one are people still playing competitively? Oh yeah, it's Gamecube for Melee.
>>344983935
lol
The PS2 had a bigger and arguably stronger library, but I far more enjoyed my Gamecube.That's just my opinion.
>>344983235
Why are consoles so stingy with the ram? Isn't that the least expensive thing to add? How much money are they saving exactly?
>>344984609
>mfw I downloaded an extra 2 gigs of ram just last week after I found an add on a porn site
Consolefags will never know this pleasure!
>>344984609
It needs to be blazing fast. Also there aren't as many memory overheads on a console. Or at least there weren't back when things were optimized.
>>344984609
>Why are consoles so stingy with the ram?
Because when you don't have a million background processes running you don't need as much RAM.
Consoles may not have had much RAM but console RAM has tended to be very fast.
PS2 had fucking 48 GB/s eDRAM in the year 2000. The best PC card of that time, GeForce 256, had VRAM rated for 4.8 GB/s. Literally ten times slower.
Hell, N64's RAM was 562.5 MB/s in 1996, at a time when PCs were equipped with under 100 MB/s RAM.
>>344984287
They posted a picture of their hand you fucking degenerate.
>>344984932
Both the PS2 and N64 ram were limited in utility by significant latencies btw
>>344979620
>about games
PS2.
>>344983515
To be fair, the Xbox was really out dayed by the time HL2 came out
I love the Dreamcast the most because its arcade roots and how it handled things. It had a focus on a specific type of gaming that has since been lost.
I hate the PS2 as a system, the way it was put together doesn't work as well for gaming as the other systems, but it has the overall strongest video game library because of sheer volume, many great times were had.
Both the GameCube and Xbox are great systems with great exclusives and great hardware, the storage media limitations of the Gamecube gimps it though and had most of its non first party exclusives ported, and only the Xbox hasn't been emulated so far so it remains the only system of the four that is essential to own if you want to experience it.
That said, nostalgia, yearning for the arcades and that 90s video game sensibility and experimentation will always make the Dreamcast come out on top for me.
>>344983607
Jade Empire and Oddworld aren't Xbox exclusive also Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Replace those 3 with Ninja Gaiden Black, Metal Wolf Chaos and Jet Set Radio Future.
>>344984983
>Both the PS2 and N64 ram were limited in utility by significant latencies btw
PS2's eDRAM doesn't suffer from significant latencies. It's just DRAM that just happens to be on an insane 2560-bit memory bus.
N64's RAM had significant random access latencies, it's RDRAM after all that's kind of its characteristic, but just cause there are random access latencies doesn't nullify the existence of that bandwidth. It just means that optimization becomes important if that bandwidth is going to reach its potential.
>>344985349
>also Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Fuck you. Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Xbox is the literal definition of a hidden gem.
>>344985349
>also Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
talking shit about buffy nigger?
>>344985371
It's my understanding that the PS2 had super fast VRAM on the GS but it was tiny (4MB?) and that the best-performing games essentially used it as a texture cache for accessing stuff in the high latency 32MB main RAM.
Which should I play next on my PS2?
>Nanobreaker
>Dead to Rights
>God Hand
>>344985670
easily god hand, nanobreaker is terrible and dead to rights is shit on ps2
>>344985670
Play the pistol, shoot yourself for owning such a shit device
>>344982669
>Sony paid us a bunch of dollaridoos to not launch a game on a superior hardware of the main rival
>>344985798
so why was it released on the xbox then?
>>344984609
>>344984932
Pretty much this, with intelligent queuing and fetch requests from disk RAM really wasn't a problem. The only thing lower ram really hampered was the frame buffer, hence why things like the N64 could up its resolution if you added the expansion card (And nicer textures)
Again, why you can see the XBOX was capable of rendering up to 1080i because it's ram was lightyears ahead of the PS2 in terms of timing, speed, and amount.
Sadly we've reached diminishing returns with the new systems becoming more like PC's
The PS4 has 8GB GDDR5 as we all know, but only 6GB (Sony wants 7GB in future updates) is available to games because of all the background shit it has to do. No amount of intelligent queuing will allow games and the PSOS to run at the same time using the full 8GB.
That being said, as a thought, say the PS4 removed the OS features and forced the devs to be smarter in their approach, you could probably get PS4 level graphics with only 4GB GDDR5
Thought for food
>>344985464
>>344985520
Buffymind. Also I guess instead of taking it out for those 3 you can remove Fable since it's no longer exclusive.
>>344985617
>but it was tiny (4MB?)
Yes it was. That's literally the only reason many PS2 games weren't 480p.
It wasn't that the PS2 didn't have the fill rate to do 480p (it had shitloads of fill rate), the problem was that it had no room to store those frames in the VRAM.
>>344984609
Back that time ram was expensive, and console ram are very diferent, they are hyperfast, like the edRAM on XBox 360, it works more like a L3 cache than a proper RAM that we see on PC. Thats why there were so low.
>>344985952
most of these games arent even exclusives any more you might as well make a new image
>>344984438
>still no tits
>>344985917
>Again, why you can see the XBOX was capable of rendering up to 1080i because it's ram was lightyears ahead of the PS2 in terms of timing, speed, and amount.
That was only because of the amount. You had a 64 MB pool to put your framebuffer. Resolution on Xbox was purely fill rate limited.
PS2 could only output from eDRAM and since it was small the output resolution was very limited.
Gamecube also had a framebuffer cache that it could only output from and it was literally fine tuned to 480p and no more. That's the reason even Wii couldn't go higher than that.
>real consoles:
Dreamcast, Gamecube
>dvd player and shitty pc:
PS2, Xbox
>>344979620
Dreamcast was the most underrated desu
Fun fact: Nintendo 64's GPU and Gamecube's GPU were made by the same engineers who designed the Radeon 9700 in 2002.
Quite possibly ATi's greatest GPU ever, and it BTFO Nvidia until 2004.
>>344979620
I played the Xbox the most.
All those Bioware games andHalo.
hey, PS2fag, why don't you post a bunch of multiplat comparisons showing how superior the PS2 version was?
oh, that's right
>>344986325
agreed making dedicated video game consoles more than that was a mistake and the reason why we have multi media machines today
>>344986640
>why don't you post a bunch of multiplat comparisons showing how superior the PS2 version was?
>>344979620
PS2 had more good games than either of those consoles.
Everything else is non-important.
>>344986724
delete this.
>>344986724
>>344979620
PS2 and Gamecube both had great libraries and single-player games.
Gamecube also had the Game Boy Player, and was made of Nintendium.
>>344986851
>>344986851
>>344986724
why are you quoting me while showing the superiority of the Xbox?
>>344986937
>>344986724
>>344986851
>>344986937
rekt
>>344986956
>that fucking backpedaling
fucking kek
>>344986956
also see video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blqetCernY
>>344987073
>backpedaling
from what? I want proof the PS2 has superior anything, I'm not seeing it, the Xbox was the best one
>>344987105
finally, some evidence
but wait, in the video the Xbox section shows reflections, now I'm confused
>>344987282
>but wait, in the video the Xbox section shows reflections, now I'm confused
different game
>>344987314
oh, hurrr, the screenshots were of NFSU2, nvmI didn't even know Burnout was not a PS2 exclusive
>>344986148
I see what you're going for anon
But this is neo-/v/
You'll only piss off reddit whiteknight faggots like this retard
>>344984935
>>344987105
how about you show some screens from games that were designed for the xbox?
It doesn't matter which one the best one was. This was the only time in history to own all then-latest consoles if you think about it. There were so many garbage wannabes consoles in previous gen, and past this era, consoles themselves became a wanabee pc.
>PS2
>graphics matter
>ignore it had the largest and most diverse library that gen
>fast forward next 2 gens
>PS3 and PS4 more powerful then the competition
>suddenly power doesn't matter
>games do
Dem moving goal posts, mang.
What is it /v/?.....
>>344987609
There's little doubt the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2. It absolutely was, perhaps with the exception of highly physics based simulations which is where the PS2's Emotion Engine CPU can shine.
PS2 and Gamecube were, I believe, a lot closer than many people give credit for.
>>344987852
The fuck are you even saying? I think you meant
>PSX is weaker then 64
>M-muh sales and game library
>PS2 is weaker then Gamecube and Xbox
>M-muh sales and game library
>PS3 is weaker then Xbox 360
>M-muh..blu ray player..
>PS4 is stronger then WiiU and Xbone
>FUCKING 1080p, fucking gbddr5 mega ram, fucking SUPER CHARGED PC. What's that? Games? I CAN'T FUCKING HEAR YOU OVER HARDWARE SALES. SONY ALWAYS WINS BABY.
>>344988106
The PS4 has more games then the fucking GC......b....but no games. Has more then the Wiiu as well. Won't even talk about the PS3, but it ended up with more games then the N64,GC and Wiiu combined!
>>344988106
I believe the PS3 is stronger than the 360, but they've always made games on the 360 then ported them to the PS3 even if they had to half-ass some stuff (usually the grass).
That said, consoles are garbage because devs insist in ramping up the visuals above what the console can run properly, sadly.
>>344988446
This anon knows what he's talking about.
>>344987476
Lol. I miss the pre reddit days.
>>344987852
It's simple.
PS2 had all the games, but not always the power to back them up (and was notoriously hard to work with due to Sony cutting corners in order to minimize costs).
PS3 and PS4 have the hardware, but not as many or revolutionary games Sony had during the first and second
generation. So, they feel a bit more underwhelming, despite doing a lot more things right hardware wise.
I don't have any biases against Sony, I think they've done the best for the last couple of console generations in comparison to the competition. But back in the day I would have wanted to play my PS2 games on any of the other systems. As a piece of hardware I detested it the most due to how loud it was, how muddy the graphics usually looked and how long the load times were.
>>344988446
>I believe the PS3 is stronger than the 360
It would have been if PS3's GPU wasn't garbage and outdated even for the time. The Nvidia GPU in the PS3 is based on its 2005 series of cards, while the AMD GPU in the 360 is based on its 2006 series of cards.
That and the 360's GPU has 10 MB of eDRAM while PS3's GPU has jack shit. "The Power of the Cell" can only go so far.
PS1 or Playstation or Playstation one or whatever.
>>344988446
Nah, 360 was stronger. Even games made FOR the PS3, and haphazardly ported over to the 360 didn't look any better. Final Fantasy XIII for example looks literally the same, only difference is PS3 has better uncompressed cutscenes, but that's due to disc space and not power. Games like Gears 3, Halo 4, Alan Wake, Forza all look better then Uncharted, Heavy Rain, MGS4, and GT.
I agree with the second part though, they should stop pushing so much stupid shit on consoles when they clearly can't run them. It annoys the shit out of my, with say the PS4 that with virtually every single game if they just dropped the resolution to 720p, and lowered shadow quality or other minor effects then games could easily run a 60fps lock. But no, graphics are what sell to mindless people, nobody really cares about gameplay. Like to me, Gravity Rush 2 is my most anticipated game on the PS4, yet it's far from being the most impressive.
>>344986293
Yeah this is true, it isn't well documented but the XBOX ram timings helped it alot as it didn't have much throughput, so I still believe WITH the much higher amount, the faster access helped, otherwise it'd shit itself if it was busy drawing a frame and had to wait until it was done exporting a 1080 image.
The GCN was something special, Nintendo polished that thing to a mirror shine, still one of the best examples of its power is in Wind Waker with the stupid amounts of grass and the tessellated water
>>344979620
I got a lot more play time out of my ps2 but my gamecube had some fantastic games on it.
If you wanted to play a ton of games, PS2.
If you wanted a smaller collection of good games, Gamecube.
If you just wanted to play Halo online with your school friends, Xbox.
If you bought into the generation too early and immediately came to regret it but at least had fun playing Shenmue, Sanic and Jet Set Radio, Dreamcast.
>>344988670
>>344988797
Still, I have to mention the best looking games on each system, and the PS3 has those Naughty Dog titles that, even though I couldn't stomach playing them for over 20 minutes, they look amazing for the hardware. I don't think anything on the 360 looks as good as TLOU, for example.
>they should stop pushing so much stupid shit on consoles when they clearly can't run them.
But they desperately need to convince the 'gamer' crowd that they're buying a current gen game, and not a last gen game with good framerates, so we can't have good things.
But wait! Knack, KNACK looks horrible and dips below 10 fps at some sections. In an action game. And it's an exclusive. I have no idea what they're thinking.
Sony, just charge me 400 bucks for some usb key DRM that allows me to access PSN on PC, download and play Bloodborne and Nioh at 60 fps. Please.
>ps2 sold the best and had the best overall library
>gamecube was the best designed and had the best tools and architecture (for once in their ENTIRE fucking life)
>xbox was the worst
>dreamcast was the best overall console
>>344989040
>and immediately came to regret it
But that's wrong. I don't know of anyone besides maybe NFL playing casuals that regrets owning the Dreamcast. It's still the favorite system for many and like the other three, worth owning.
>>344989175
>PS2 had the best library
>DC was the best overall console
You aren't making any sense, anon.
>>344988446
>>344988670
>>344988797
Close, the PS3 Cell genuinely shits on the 360's Xenon but the PS3s GPU was rushed.
You heard the story how the execs at Sony said they didn't understand what the need for a GPU was as the engineers made the Cell so good, because execs are technologically illiterate... and retared
So they told the team to not put one in and it wasn't until the devs begged Sony they finally let the team put a GPU in, they went to Nvidia telly them what they needed, something meaty and raw, fast.
Nvidia delivered given the short time they had. The PS3 could destroy in physics simulation and pushing polygons like a mad cunt but it had a crippling problem, the GPU had no FUCKING SHADERS. So if games needed fancy effects and dynamic shadows the PS3 would shit itself.
Sony execs of course blamed Nvidia even they just did what they were told.
And that my friends is what happens when you let retards take control of a tech division.
>>344989512
Well maybe not regret it, but a lot of kids would have been pissed if they couldn't afford to get a Gamecube or PS2 a year or two later, given that the Dreamcast was discontinued after two years.
>>344988857
>The GCN was something special, Nintendo polished that thing to a mirror shine, still one of the best examples of its power is in Wind Waker with the stupid amounts of grass and the tessellated water
I don't really think GCN was that special in terms of performance. It had a much stronger area of strength: efficiency. The Gamecube hardware cost almost nothing to manufacture and yet performed admirably, not to mention development ease of use.
That was literally Nintendo's brief to ArtX, designers of the Gamecube's GPU. "Gives us PS2 level performance at a fraction of Sony's cost, and make it an easy development platform".
That being said I don't think Wind Waker was that technically impressive - it's more of a triumph of art. Simple draw calls like untextured blades of grass are trivial for console hardware, and even the N64 could do tessellation (in theory).
>>344989658
Just fucking imagine what would have happened if the PS3 had no GPU. Just fucking imagine.
>>344989796
But anon, it would still have had a GPU.The PS2's Graphics Synthesizer.
>>344989695
I personally don't know of any, and even the poorest of the poor had a PS2 a year or two later on account of it doubling as a DVD player.
Only person I know of that didn't like his Dreamcast was because he wasn't really into consoles to begin with, preferred online FPSs and didn't even bother with the PS2.
>>344989658
>the PS3 Cell genuinely shits on the 360's Xenon but the PS3s GPU was rushed.
They've basically the same hardware in a different configuration though. Pretty hilarious coincidence.
Xenon is 3 PPE 0 SPE
Cell is 1 PPE 7 SPE
Xenon will beat Cell at GP but Cell will give Xenon a thrashing at SIMD.
>>344986550
You don't have to spoiler Halo anon.
Only the most extreme of salty grapes posters would try and diss the king
>>344982098
You missed out big time if that was your Gamecube library. No TimeSplitters 2 or Future Perfect, no Eternal Darkness, no Resident Evil 4 or REmake, no Ocarina of Time Master's Quest. And that's just to name a few.
>>344989562
ps2 had the best library due to massive install size, sony good will, low requirements and just overall willingness to make cheap games. The last game to come out for the ps2 was last year, anon. last year. 15 years of a library run tent to have a better library overall than one who ran for under 3 years.
But overall? dreamcast was better.
Better memory cards
Better graphics in a lot of games
better OS
better system
had online at launch
quake 3 arena at 60fps with no screen tearing WITH kb/m adaptors day 1
and the actual games they had excluives of during its time where top tier.
sonic adventure 1 and 2
crazy taxi
power stone
Shenmue
sword of the berserk
the house of the dead series
Samba De Amigo
jet set
Ikaruga
Phantasy Star Online
Skies Of Arcadia
the entire line of sega's sports games
I could go on, but you get the picture.
>>344979620
GCN. acceptable performance, best controller by far. breaks easy though.
PS2 is still obviously the better buy with its library though, and it's much more resilient in my experience.
Halo CE was probably the best game of the generation but the controller kills the Xbox.
Dreamcast is actually garbage. There is no getting around that controller. yeah I bet you can buy a bunch of third party shit to get around that but a nigga can't be bothered with all of that shit, ya feel? that's for you ultra nerds out there, the only people who ever liked the DC.
>>344990415
>Better memory cards
too gimmicky and pathetic storage. VMUs are vastly overrated.
>>344990549
>vmu was the only memory card available
dumbass
>>344990549
I never had a problem with mine and they had fun little games with the saves. It was an interesting idea and even if you didnt like it, they atleast tried. Also, there was non VMU cards.
>>344979620
Gamecube = PS2 > Xbox > Dreamcast
>>344990486
>breaks easy though.
What fucking universe do you live in?
I'm a poorfag and I have the 3 of them.
Gamecube: the best games, by far. Few games tho.
Xbox: great hardware, I like the controller a lot, but few good games, and the good ones are quite generic and obscure.
PS2: Feels like plastic, but has a LOT of great games.
The XBOX was my latest purchase and it feels very empty game-wise.
>>344990813
it broke nigga. I've followed the lifespans of two GCNs and three PS2s. result? one GCN is broken, and it didn't even take that long.
>>344991072
Saying the GCN breaks easily and the PS2 was the most resilient is living in opposite world, anon.
>>344991072
I've had a PS2 and a Dreamcast since launch that I've used extensively over years, and they still work, and by all reports the Gamecube is even sturdier than those. Maybe it's just you and how you treat your shit?
>>344991310
>Maybe it's just you and how you treat your shit?
to be honest sempai:that's not unlikely
>>344991072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWnoOjP9IA
Mandatory.
>>344991072
That handle at the back wasn't intended for throwing it against a wall any time you got dunked on in NBA live.
>>344982098
>Only Jap teenagers got the Dreamcast
>>344979620
Between PS2 and GC, probably GC since I spent more time with it.
Xbox is 'the best' in the fact that you can't emulate it.
So the other consoles are moot since you can just play them on PC anyways.
PS2 had the highest caliber of games due to sheer volume and strong JPN market.
Gamecube had the funnest games with friends. Though sequels were weighed down with forced innovation rather than 'fun' and simplicity like their N64 counterparts.
Xbox had a few really, really good gems. Which are shames to lose.
>>344992232
PS2 emulation leaves a lot to be desired still.
>>344992232
>Xbox is 'the best' in the fact that you can't emulate it.
>So the other consoles are moot since you can just play them on PC anyways.
That's some pretty fucking stupid logic.
>>344992232
>Xbox is 'the best' in the fact that you can't emulate it.
i swear theres always one of you faggots in these types of threads
>>344992379
I would say the Xbox is the best console to buy these days, but not necessarily the best console of the generation.
why wasn't doom 3 released on the gamecube?
>>344992541
Though, it should be noted that most of the notable titles run pretty well on the 360 (forgot to add this).
>>344991072
The GC was infinitely more durable than the PS2, which was complete shit in durability.
>>344992541
That's fine, then.
>>344992576
>why wasn't doom 3 released on the gamecube?
Probably couldn't handle it. Also I'm sure id didn't want to reprogram all their shaders for Gamecube just to get 20 sales.
>>344979620
Xbox - about 10 great games and 10 good ones
Dreamcast - 5 great games and 5 good ones
Gamecube - about 30 great games and 30 good ones
Ps2 - 30 great games, 300 good ones
The numbers are arbitrary
>>344993387
you already posted this and everyone proved you wrong
>>344979620
PS2 was S-tier and no console has beaten it imo.
>>DMC
>>DMC3
>>SH2 & SH3
>>Nocturne & DDS1/2 & Persona 3/4
>>FFX/FFXII
>>Kingdom Hearts
>>Katamari 1/2
>>Onimusha 1-3
>>ZOE1/2
Multiplayer:
>>Godzilla Save the Earth
>>War of the Monsters
>>Twisted Metal Black
>>Guilty Gear XX (Didn't stay exclusive though)
>>Midnight Club
GC had a lot of greats too though. Like Baton Kaitos, Melee, Bloody Roar, WW, TP, etc.
I loved both systems, and generally don't buy Sony shit anymore, but PS2 was something else.
>>344993618
>PS2 was S-tier and no console has beaten it imo.
>posts multiplats
please tell me your shitposting, i dont think its that hard to list ps2 exclusives for fucks sake
>>344993618
You forgot .hack// for PS2 and Custom Robo for Gamecube.
>>344991406
thanks I love this video
>>344979620
Dreamcast.
>>344989710
That's fair, but both the GCN and WW were feats of engineering.
Found what I was looking for:
http://polycount.com/discussion/104415/zelda-wind-waker-tech-and-texture-analysis-picture-heavy
This guy does an impressive breakdown showing great design on the part of borth the hardware and software team.
C'mon, fully textured grass with wind effects and player interactivity at 1000's draw calls, shit's impressive.
I miss old nintendo when their hardware was something to be admired, the best theing the Wii U has to offer is that its impressive connection to the game pad. The gamepad can receive and draw an image almost twice as fast as a tv
>>344985889
>>344985798
sony didn't have to pay, ea has been butthurt about nintendo since the NES
>>344979620
I had more fun with my gamecube.
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