Seems like S-Purple fucked over the whole crew of Breeding Season and killed the project, having in his contract that he can take all the art he made whenever he wants.
Looking at vanillycheesecake's Tumblr shows that the whole thing was fucked over for some time now, giving her a huge bulk of whatever S was supposed to be doing.
So, anons, seems like your favorite Patreon horse fucking game got done, because when they started, they had no idea how to build a dev team, even for an indie game.
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.com/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html?zx=bec405f8e30c4969
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season
Good
>favorite Patreon horse fucking game got done
Not even close to a favorite game
>>344976996
>your favorite Patreon
But that's not SjindoL's patreon.
>Vladimir Sandler
If that is his real name, why the fuck would anyone trust him in the first place?
>>344976996
I want those boobes on my dick
>all those tears of retards that threw money at them
>>344977349
Well, /v/ already trusted and fell in love with one Russian guy who made a hentai game, why wouldn't they suck a cock of another one?
>>344976996
>this anon doesn't know about the free yiffalicious game
This shit has been a disaster for a while
People in over their heads with no concept of time management
>>344976996
Regardless of who did what between him and Bomb, Schwig is a triple nigger for working on another project of his own - and have other people participating without being aware it's a different thing - while still on payroll for breeding season.
Beyond a dickmove, it's swindling and to top it off he's even making sure the project has zero chance of carrying out bu pulling out all the assets he made.
>>344976996
Did that guy who got into the dropbox ever post his stuff?
torrent?
>>344977553
go to the /dgg/ thread
Seems like this is what S has been working on and where he took his assets to.
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
>>344977546
Dude what the fuck. Spoiler that picture.
>>344977657
I know he wronged people, and should never be trusted, but this looks so promising! Time to donate another $40,000 per month.
>>344977736
t. patreon crowd
>>344977657
>these arms
What
>>344977657
if this reaches the 9k they all deserved getting "robbed" over all these months
is there any version beyon 6.3.1? that was the last one i've downloaded
Oh noes, guys, seems like SOMEHOW all the assets got leaked!
https://mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Downloading right now, can't wait to see if it's more dolphin porn.
Did the mega link get posted last night?
I cannot wrap my head around why this literal jew didn't keep milking this shit to the end.
Do patreon people even have a legal obligation to deliver anything? I thought it's just a site for goodwill donations.
Coworker's comments on the thing
>>344977349
He was also the guy who made the really elaborate BroQuest art back in the day.
It's good to know that game would've never been finished, either.
I still don't understand why this had 34k a month, there were so many other patreons releasing actual animation/artwork that had under a $1000 and stuff you could insta fap to.
>>344977915
Are the games included or is it just sprites, backgrounds and shit?
>>344976996
>Seems like S-Purple fucked over the whole crew of Breeding Season and killed the project
Breeding Season killed itself by being a horrible mess of a production that couldn't get out of alpha in 3 years.
It's a goddamn titty game.
Also the gameplay was atrocious in every single incarnation. The art is really all it had going for it.
>>344978139
and the artist fucked them over
>>344978079
But it was never supposed to be a game in the first place only idea guys thought of it
>People actually gave them money
>>344978307
He just took Old Yeller to the shed and shot it. He did them a favor.
>trusting artists
>on the internet
>>344978115
The game is included yes. Just open the swf.
As an artfag, I wouldn't have sold the assets either.
Keeping the rights to your work for yourself, not getting paid immediately but also thus letting them be legally used for a different project is infinitely better than someone else continuing to make regular revenue from your assets in exchange for a one time payment or royalties that are less than what the work is worth.
Also another thing to consider, if all the ART assets for your game or most of them were suddenly unusable and thus destroys all the progress on the game then there perhaps wasn't much game you had at that point. That's why placeholders exist, that's why the ALPHA stage of game development is defined as "feature complete" meaning the gameplay and features are locked to what is supposed to be the final product by the end of it.
From what I see this entire development progress was like if you spent the entire time making finished high poly 3D models and polished final animations for your game while there is no gameplay framework to put them on or at the very least there are isolated slices of the instances where those are used. There have been so many fucking games that get cancelled precisely because they spent so much time on assets and animation it was the engine or buggy code that fucked them over. Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code. This is like an FPS programmer complaining he can't do his job because he's waiting on the gun models to be finished.
>>344978484
he was the rabies.
the project would have been fine if he wasnt a prick
>>344978307
There were two other artists. The whole "B-bb-b-but I can't do it all myself!" and "I-I-I can't make m-m-m-mm-more than 2 animations that are just fucking tweening body pieces together in 5 months!!!" excuses are total bullshit. Literally every one on the team was a lazy piece of shit riding the money train.
>>344978539
>As an artfag, I wouldn't have sold the assets either.
This is why most jobs have a contract that says art produced belongs to them in the first place.
The longest running scam in internet history, the greatest evil of our times, over. As if it never existed in the first place.
Let this be a lesson to actually fill your game with content instead of "fixing" the miniscule amount you already have a bajillion times.
>TFW never donated to ANYONE and feel glad about it
>post yfw you didn't support Breeding Season
>>344978115
>>344977915
Seems to be legit
>>344978709
>Scam
That implies they were obligated to do any work.
Patreon just means free donations to do whatever they want.
Even Kickstarter is more reliable.
>>344977929
Probably up his own ass thinking he was the only thing keeping the ship floating and they were tagging along for free money
Or that this new project would bring more in
Knowing backstabbing jews though I imagine he would at least try to have both going at once.
>>344978539
You'll never have an actual say in this buck'o
Look, l'm not exaggerating here: if you donated to this, you were a retard. This isn't a case of hindsight or anything, you knew the fucking track record. You were thinking with your dick instead of your brain like some kind of downie.
>>344978748
>buying porn
More stupid than buying music
>itunesgiftcardfaggit.jpg
>>344978702
Because you can't trust artfags
I'm glad companies take their content and ideas because they are all back stabbing jackasses that will screw over you as soon as possible
>>344976996
pink hair loli looked cute tho
Nothing wrong with supporting people with throwing a dollar at something that COULD be good but some were dumb enough to believe patreon should work like kickstarter by throwing 50$+ for it
Good riddance. Hopefully people would realize that shithole of a funding site is retarded for projects like these. There was no reason for this game to get 35 fucking k a month. The ones funding this are the biggest retards here.
>>344978889
My dick has taste.
It wouldn't donate to it either, especially when there were other means of getting the alpha versions.
>>344978539
>From what I see this entire development progress was like if you spent the entire time making finished high poly 3D models and polished final animations for your game while there is no gameplay framework to put them on or at the very least there are isolated slices of the instances where those are used. There have been so many fucking games that get cancelled precisely because they spent so much time on assets and animation it was the engine or buggy code that fucked them over. Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code. This is like an FPS programmer complaining he can't do his job because he's waiting on the gun models to be finished.
Sounds just like that space game
what was it called? sun citizen? star pleb? I can't remember
>>344977915
>bandwidth quota exceeded
c-can someone make a torrent out of this please?
>One Japanese NEET can render an entire game in a year and still release demos
>Project by full team with 32K a month cant get out of alpha
POST YOUR FACES
>Donating to this
There's literal hundreds of Japanese H games coming out each month, and many of them with better art and gameplay than this shit, why the fuck would you throw money at these fags when they failed to deliver anything in 3 years?
>>344979224
That happens when passion drives you more than money
>>344976996
>giving money on patreon
Literally worse than Kickstarter
>>344976996
>http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season
>Especially in the case of our lead developer who consistently promised milestones and would fail to deliver.
Haha, that's rich. So it was both the artist and the dev's fault that this game tanked.
>>344979226
Just the fact that it was being made by Westerners should have been all the clue you needed to know that this project would just drag it's feet for a few years and then vanish in a puff of smoke (along with all your money).
The only project in the works right now that looks even remotely promising is Monster Girl Island, and even that I'm not giving a dime until it's done.
>>344978079
I actually made a little dungeon crawler using the sprites and a AT battle system, was kinda cool but decided better to change it since people kept saying Shwig would nuke any game that used anything Broquest.
>>344979102
There is nothing wrong with Patreon in particular, as long as people take it for what it is; a glorified tipping jar, and not an actual trading place.
>>344979406
Who said that only one party was at fault in here everyone contributed to this clusterfuck
>>344979224
>some Japanese NEETs even release more than a game per year and still release some extra free content
loving every laugh
>>344978539
>Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code.
I REALLY don't think that's the case for a game like Breeding Season. The whole thing is just clicking menus.
Apparently they as a group got paid almost $400k over three years to make something that looks like what I could have done in a week or two on a ber and pizza budget. Makes me want to get into the Patreon porn hustle.
Never forget
>There are retards on /v/ that literally gave hundreds of dollars to this
No sympathy for you gullible dumbfucks
>>344976996
I remember trying it and gameplay was shit. Can you fug the pink tittymonster? Is there any wincest?
>>344976996
I seriously don't understand what the fuck S-Purple was even thinking. The only thing he has accomplished doing this shit was throwing whatever little reputation he had down the drain and painting a gigantic target on his head for everyone to throw their criticisms at. I've already seen quite a few artists onTumblrcall him out for his debauchery, some particularly popular ones too, like Doxy.
This shitshow of a development process is why proper project management is so important
>get +$30k/month
>there were Kickstarter games that have been made with less than what they get per month
>they still somehow couldn't make it
Jesus.
>People who woud actully see a project to the end always end up with small funding
>People who are idea guys and jump around projects gets 12k funding
>>344979610
Schwinged
The more I see shit like this happen, the more I am convinced /a/ got lucky with KS
>>344979224
One of the comments in that blogpost had me puzzled for ages
>If one NEET in Japan can crank out and code a lewd game in a year, or one guy can crank out a full rendered demo every few months, but a group of "artists" can't make decent progress with proper funding then there was a larger problem here, even before he dipped out.
What the FUCK is wrong with western devs/artists in porn? Why are they so fucking lazy and entitled?
You see on g.ehentai some western fat gimp pump out 1 page for his shit porn comic a month, and a jap would have an ENTIRE comic out in the same time. It's absurd.
>>344979810
Unity through waifus anon
>>344979224
it took that catgirl game like 4 years to come out
>>344979000
I give money to artists I like (i.e. I give money to artists who do loli porn). Also to those faggots who made Momodora and to ToadyOne.
They deserve it because the west needs to step up its loli game and because I fucking love DF to death.
>>344976996
How isn't this classified as an actual scam? Granted, whoever actually paid for porn deserved getting fucked, but I'm just curious.
>hired a guy from broquest
>surprised when he takes the money and runs
>all of those retards who gave them money
>>344979810
The team all hated each other and disbanded the second the game came out
>>344979885
It came out, didn't it?
That's more than you can say for this game
>>344979861
>You see on g.ehentai some western fat gimp pump out 1 page for his shit porn comic a month, and a jap would have an ENTIRE comic out in the same time.
To be fair, mangakas have crazy hectic work schedules. Could you manage to do this on a weekly basis?
>>344979610
>>344979804
Schwindled
>>344979930
Patreon is a glorified tip jar it's not the site's fault that someone decided to run away with the tip jar's content
why complete a project when you're already getting paid?
>>344979917
source me up on that, guy, I have a craving.
>>344979917
>I give money to artists I like (i.e. I give money to artists who do loli porn).
My African American brotherNow what's the source on that image so I can throw money at them
>>344979945
Not too surprising since I did hear that one guy enforced a tight schedule to ensure shit got done. At least they released a fully-finished product though.
>>344979861
Seems to be a problem with liberals/leftists in general
>>344980019
>3 hours of free time a week
jesus christ
>>344980019
>three full hours of free time on saturday
lazy fucks, no wonder they get no work done.
>>344979930
The contract was set up so that half the money and pretty much all the art assets belonged to him so it's pretty much legal that he can take it all and run.
Although he did have people who were working on breeding season do work for his new game without telling them what they were actually working on, which is illegal
>>344977448
But we always shat on akabur. Because of his russian bullshit and such.
>>344976996
Posting it again
>dev makes shitty poor decisions
>does not want to man up and take responsibility for his own fucks up
>other guy did something bad but was only enabled because of the devs fuck up
>unprofessionally uses scape goat tactic
Every fucking time. It's like once a month of a dev says "X game is done because of X reason that IS NOT MY FAULT even though the reason it even happen was through my own actions I am quitting the game and if you need someone to blame its everyone except for me"
Every fucking time. Like grow up and take SOME responsibility here. You are trying to make a game for profit, you can never say "oh man I didn't know my game was gonna get this big :O!" like that just shows how poorly planned it was to begin with. Why not just hire another person to keep this going? I figure he is going to lose more money by not finishing this as it obviously has popularity. I mean shit I guess you just got to know when to fold them sometimes.
>>344979224
https://enty.jp/en/
Japanese do not venture outside of visual novels or rpgmaker
that one NEET who made liru is a unique individual
>>344977721
The people must know.
>>344980019
Well you are talking about proffesional mangakas, pretty sure he meant the kind of people who draw lewd doujins a month before comiket
>>344979930
>How isn't this classified as an actual scam?
People with real jobs don't know or care about what happens in the low end of the digital market for porn games.
>>344979945
That only makes it better, despite personal differences they still worked together to ensure a complete game would come out
So has there ever been a completed patreon porn game?
I hope a lawsuit and court hearing(s) is made over this
I want to see what the judge has to think and have them showing pornographic furry images in court
it would be amazing
>>344980019
a work schedule like that is fucking retarded
you lose productivity by pushing people to ridiculous levels like that, you don't gain it.
They make more mistakes, doze off, can't concentrate, and never get inspired
The only way crazy long schedules with little sleep ever work, is when the person themself is so excited/inspired that they do it. We've all had some of that inspiration before, and we all know you can't do it forever or regularly.
>>344980076
X-Mantis, the same dude who made those 3DCG bkub Chen videos (https://youtu.be/kYLfQoXoOFk).
>>344980325
Yeah. It's called "Your Mom".
That sucks.
The game seemed to be spiralling for the last year or so, changing but not really progressing.
I kind always expected that some day it would get done, I really liked the idea of it.
Very sad. And annoyed when some idiots run off with a bunch of money and get to feel clever to themselves about being evil fucks.
>>344976996
the dev is a lazy sack of shit, i'm not surprised.
>>344980185
The thing is, actual malice is worse than incompetence.
>>344980357
sounds great, tell us more
The biggest dick move was not selling the assets to the guy, I mean geez s-purple come on.
>>344980206
And that lets them put out 3-4 releases each year with lots of art and sometimes lots of custom assets, all done in a group of 2-3 people and thats WITHOUT being constantly funded by patrons
>>344980019
>not having a fuck-ton of helpers
Granted, quality goes down but I'm 99% sure the quality of life goes way the fuck up. Also, having a monthly release probably helps too.
>>344980393
They're basically indistinguishable from each other in outcome. The only difference between the two is intent.
>>344980019
But these are freelance NEETs, not full time mangaka that work for someone. What they do is usually a labor of love. There are some in it for money, but even they are leagues better than western smut peddlers, because they understand they have to please the customers. The only artists in the west who actually deliver are furry porn artists.
>>344980341
Who knows? He might be jerking off during the storyboard phase, visit cafes and screw around. Ideas don't come out right away.
>>344979610
Stop trying to change the language, autismo.
Is shoulderon gaiden also dead?
>>344980507
And intent matters.
Also incompetence slows the process, malice can destroy it.
>>344980424
He wants the game dead.
Are there any sexy fun games similar to breeding season out at all? Preferably ones that don't come with a load of shit drama like this. Honestly it's like being back at school
>People pinning all the blame on Vladimir Putin
>Not realizing that HBomb was literally the worst project manager ever who was more concerned with his swimming in money rather than direct and support and his employees
>>344980347
>searhc X-Mantis
>serach Primantis
>can only find a closing patreon and none of his lewd art
What a fucking shame
Did people really think this would go anywhere?
>>344980325
Akabur is slow as shit, but has delivered on Princess Trainer Gold. Witch Trainer is technically finished, though lacking in content.
There is also the guy who made Corrupting the Priestess
>>344980641
It's Mantis-X, my bad.
https://www.patreon.com/Mantis_X
>>344977980
WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T THEY GET ANOTHER ARTIST/S THAT ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE FUCKING GAME?
THEY HAD 25K PER MONTH FOR GOD'S SAKE, PUT YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER.
>>344980635
He claims Vlad wouldn't let him.
>>344980313
Although the quality was fairly questionable with cases of people literally sabotaging characters/assets of things they didn't like.
>>344980597
>>344980507
>>344980393
fucking weebs
Damn, but it was to be expected considering how slowly development was going
>>344980635
Everyone who didn't join just now knows HBomb is to blame, Shwig literally put content every few weeks, made streams, interacted with everyone while we'd only get "This is what is planned" from HBomb with no actual delivery or very little.
One thing in dev that is common is for the coding part to be working long before the art/sound/etc, in BS case it was the contrary, it's obvious where the problem lies.
>>344980019
>Shiibashi Hiroshi
meh
>>344979861
>front page
>Brogulls
>Creamy Cream
>Banana Cream Cake
every single time
>>344980745
>>344980635
Who the fuck employed whom? Jesus christ, no-balls.
>>344980347
>make loli porn
>proceed to make a video of said loli making bread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKEV4ovRP-o
We need more loli cooking videos.
art looks like shitand suspiciously like the same shit as the assholes that drove broquest into the groundso I don't care lamo
>>344980745
It's easy to blame everything on Putin right down to being unable to 'manage' your people because of him.
But Vanilly's post more than implies that Hbox was simply incompetent and and was more concerned with appearances and the culture of the entire place was about finger pointing.
Tbh, would you want to release the game if idiots willingly donate you up to 39k a month.
>>344978702
Yes but contracts like that are not as appealing to professional creatives. By relinquishing the rights to the publisher or whatever you risk:
>No royalties
>Project being canned and your assets probably never seeing the light of day or even your portfolio
>You being let off at any point or replaced thus making no money for your work
By doing it that way the artist is more prone to being fucked. By doing it the other way the publisher is most prone to being fucked. BUT if your project rides SOLELY on art that's probably the smart thing to do.
By letting the artist reserve the rights means you have to acknowledge that while this is a very mutual trust sort of scenario BUT by making that fucking contract you also acknowledge that precisely what just happened is a completely legal and plausible scenario and perhaps YOU WOULDN'T MAKE SUCH A CONTRACT IF YOU WEREN'T CONFIDENT THAT IN CASE OF SUCH SCENARIO YOUR PROJECT WOULDN'T TANK. There is nobody but yourself to blame if you're demonizing an artist for exercising the leeway you gave him. That's like literally giving a person a project self-destruct button and saying:
"Look, if it gets unfavorable or shitty to keep working on this or even if you just feel like it or feel like moving away or to something else you are within your rights to push this button without consequence"
"How fucking dare you push the button, EVERYTHING IS RUINED"
>>344980715
>paywalls content
Well, he's not getting my sheckles anymore, I only support people who don't try and jew people out to get their content.
>>344980641
I found his pixiv:
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4107959
>>344980903
Because it is the same artist numbnuts
>>344977825
Anthropomorphic characters with with human pose and feral cat-like arms end up like that.
>>344980858
It was a partnership join venture apparently. But I still find it insanely suspicious that literally anything wrong was because of Shiggy diggy.
>I wanted to hire a manager, but he wouldn't let me!
>I wanted to hire more people, but he wouldn't let me!
>I wanted to get some work done, but he wouldn't let me!
Like come on.
>>344980964
His videos and images are on that site that used to be called trollvids too.
>>344977980
>48 seconds ago
How does it feel to have put so much effort into something only for it to fail so hard? How much were you paid over the course of the project?
>>344980612
Yeah obviously, you think after all the effort he put into it, and all the money he got from fans, he would want to spread his asshole and release a murky fart monsoon all over the place.
Leaving like that is understandable, making your own similar game is a douchey thing to do, but purposefully crashing the game was just too much
>>344981015
yea well he sucks dick for a living
>>344979917
>west
>loli
>>344981076
Where? I've never come across anything that looks like those images.
>>344978709
>Let this be a lesson
It won't, people has, is and will ever waste their money like morons.
>>344980206
How much dosh did Liru scored through all that time though? It was forever on patreon and people kept throwing money at it forever.
>>344981076
>>344981143
iwara.tv I think
>>344981115
>Japan is part of "The West"
>America allows loli porn
>so do some European countries
>mfw your idiotic post
>>344979578
It's the case for every game.
Think about it, let's say you're making a VN, and for some reason the work is divided amongst the artist and the programmer (who is also doing the writing). In the scenario that the artist does all the work, the VN is completely unplayable and is basically an exhentai gallery. In the scenario the programmer does all the work, you end up with a VN that is playable from start to finish -- but has no graphics, outside of maybe some placeholder art that's probably stick figures and solid squares of color.
My main point of contention here is the fact that Breeding Season as a "game" was just a handful of simple menus that operated an EXTREMELY basic resource manipulation game, of the sort that a 10-year-old could make after learning Basic for a week. There was no fucking game in it. Pulling out of the project in secret and nuking it as you go is a pretty horrifying backstab, but from where I'm looking, only one in the project that deserved any money at all were the artists. Their work was the only part of the game that couldn't be done in like one hour by a semi-competent coder.
>>344976996
"It's better than nothing!"
>>344981115
I want more uncensored loli porn, damn it.
>>344981143
They're both at his account on >>344981203 granted, they're at a lower size (1920x1080) with the 4k sized images being patrons only, I think.
>>344980635
The worst thing H-Bomb did to his reputation was make it so the project couldn't be completed. Making his own game was a shit move but stopping breeding season from being finished basically cemented him as the public 'bad guy' for most artists and people on tumblr to spread around.
>>344979810
KS?
>>344981331
DO NOT SEXUALIZE THE RECETTE
>>344981224
>tfw Australia doesn't allow lolis
>>344981331
>>344981203
I know it's on Iwara, I'm saying I haven't seen shit on Iwara that looks like those Kuro images.
>>344976996
And nothing of value was lost!
>>344980737
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
>>344980905
>But Vanilly's post more than implies that Hbox was simply incompetent
Him being easy to take advantage of doesnt excuse the guy who clearly took advantage.
I've done some game work and under a shit manager, I managed to not rob the partnership and lie about doing so.
>>344981387
>>344981418
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/images/kuro-renders
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/images/sex-beach
Holy shit anon.
>>344980347
Hm, I always did think his models looked like they could be used for pornwho knew that was their true purpose all along
>>344981418
?
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/users/mantis-x
>>344980759
>Anon22 hated writing Shizune
>deliberately wrote her route to be shit and to make her fucking insufferable
I thought it was funny. Nothing is more satisfying to witness than a butthurt Shizunefag trying to defend her route.
>>344976996
This kind of reminds me of the Arch Project. And then the bitch has the nerve to try it again for the 3rd/4th time.
>>344981330
>It's literally nothing
fixed
>>344981243
>It's the case for every game.
>Think about it, let's say you're making a VN, and for some reason the work is divided amongst the artist and the programmer (who is also doing the writing)
No. Why the fuck are you making the programmer the writer too? Fuck off with that shit. We'll have three people in your example: artist, writer, and programmer. Of these three, the LEAST important one is programmer. He is 100% replaceable. If the writer leaves, there is no novel. If the artist leaves, there is a novel, but it's not very "visual". If the coder leaves, fuck him, you can get a different coder because coding a visual novel is the easiest job in the world and there is no difference in the end product no matter who does it.
The only situation where the assets matter less than the game is if the game is actually challenging to code. A shitty visual novel where the most complicated task is popping up a menu? The "game" part becomes completely replaceable.
>>344976996
the designs have been garbage for the longest time anyways. good riddance
>>344981349
Cripple VN
>>344977657
>https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
this looks so garbage
>>344981516
>Him being easy to take advantage of doesnt excuse the guy who clearly took advantage.
Where did I say anyone was being excused?
I'm saying pinning all the blame on the artist is a dick move when it was HBox who let it get to that point and frustrated all of his employees. They're both equally greedy douchebags.
>>344981614
>fuck him, you can get a different coder
you can get a different artist and writer too.
>there is no difference in the end product no matter who does it.
Wrong. While artits and writers have style and quality differences, I've seen enough programmers to know if you have a good one replacing him is likely to get you a worse product.
>>344981614
>needing a programmer
if the programmer throws a shitfit then just use renpy
>>344977349
>Russian kike
Lol what kind of retard trusts that
>>344981591
Why didn't they let someone who liked Shizune write her route?
It's so fucking simple.
>>344981614
If you're making a VN, the programmer is still the most important even though it's not a complicated task. The programmer is the most important for any game, because without the programmer, there isn't a game.
See Broquest. All they had was 9 writers and a concept artist.
>>344981692
>They're both equally greedy douchebags.
Thats the thing, once screwed the other so I don't think thats true, and its where you give the impression you are excusing one of them
>sure he essentially stole from this buy, but he was a intensely shitty manager!
>>344981342
People already thought Schwig was a shitheas, he only gave people more ammo.
>>344979639
I believe you could bang her as a male, and if you couldn't it was at least planned, but that's all dead now.
>>344981751
a furfag of course.
>>344980737
problem wasn't the art, problem was nobody else involved really did anything
>>344981756
who?
they were not exactly full of people.
>>344981769
its a team project, without one set of skills the entire thing is fucked.
>>344981739
>you can get a different artist and writer too.
If you'd read his entire post you'd realize that he said the coder is expendable because coding doesn't adversely affect the quality of game. Remember that we're talking about indie visual novels, shit that can literally be coded by a monkey in Ren'py.
Artists have their own style and skill that a VN would be seriously hampered if you switched one out part way or use multiple without screening them (Katawa Shoujo and Everlasting Summer come to mind).
The writer one is obvious since the entire story can change between even just two people if they're working from a single concept.
>>344981912
https://mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Straight from the infinity vortex.
Do with it what you will.
>>344981756
Because the group was tight-knit at first so they shuffled around a lot to try to make it "fair" but eventually cracks started to appear so nobody really wanted to communicate with the others unless absolutely necessary.
It got to the stage where everyone wanted to get their own shit finished asap and let others get on with their own shit.
>>344981549
>>344981587
Pretty gud, eyes a bit too big, but nice animations.
>>344981839
>Thats the thing, once screwed the other so I don't think thats true,
You don't follow this project, do you? Hbox was swimming in money for years without providing adequate support for his 'contractors' and did nothing but make empty promises. He's literally the idea guy.
Read vanilly's resignation to see why he's a failure due to greed.
think about all the scamming furfaggets none of them even came close to $500K, especially crowchild.
This takes the cake as No.1 Furscam
>>344981549
>>344981587
Speaking of Iwara, does anyone have Hekovic's new stuff? The cunt started uploading all his shit as private and he'll only follow people if they comment all his videos and suck his dick, and even then only if he likes what they're saying enough.
>>344981952
>because coding doesn't adversely affect the quality of game
and my point is it does.
Unless your only standard is "does it crash too much"
>Artists have their own style
yep, that is a thing I noted as well.
>>344981912
But now you get more pay which means you can donate more so artists can supply you with more porn, creating a porn-promotion feedback loop. You'll be CEO in no time.
>>344981614
Actually writing was not the problem here and probably the most complete aspect of the game
>>344981739
>you can get a different artist and writer too.
But that will actually affect the end product in a major way. Replacing a coder in a project like VN will NOT affect the end product in any way that's noticeable by anyone.
I'm a fucking CS major. Coding is not hard. Especially coding something as trivially simple as a visual novel, where literally all you need to do is display images and text and play sound effects and sometimes read a mouse click. It's in fact so simple that you can leave out the COMPUTER, print the fucking thing on PAPER, and get almost the same experience!
>>344981769
>f you're making a VN, the programmer is still the most important
No. The programmer is a nobody. The assets (text and art) are everything that matters in a visual novel. If it was an FPS or something the programmer(s) would be important, but in a visual novel, the coffee maker outranks the coder.
>>344982090
>and my point is it does.
If you think it takes Bill Gates to code a visual novel in Renpy, then this discussion is over.
Have a nice day.
>>344982127
>a porn-promotion feedback loop.
Fuck, you made me spit out my drink. Now I'm getting fired for spilling coffee all over the servers. There goes my fucking promotion money.
>>344982214
>shit I lost
>better say something stupid and close the thread
>>344982315
>I can't follow my own argument
Don't know why I expected anything else from you.
>>344982197
I don't think you understand my point.
Anyone can make shitty art, anyone can write a shitty story, and anyone can likely open up renpy and hack assets together in an engine.
But selectively drop two of these roles, and what ends up with the most complete game?
If you drop the artist and programmer, you get a story.
If you drop the writer and programmer, you get a gallery.
If you drop the artist and writer, you get a game.
>>344982293
Shit sorry m8
If it's any consolation you probably needed this kick up the backside to get you to take your life back from wageslavery.
>>344982081
I'm allowed to see his videos, the new ones are shit. I don't know why he's stopped doing porn and now focuses on fucking dancing 24/7. No one gives a fuck about them dancing. He swindled most of his audience into giving him praise for his shit dancing videos so they could see his private porn videos, but now he's deluded into thinking that people GENUINELY liked his dancing videos, so now he makes nothing but dancing shit videos.
>>344982401
>If you drop the artist and writer, you get a game.
Asteroids?
>>344982197
OK but now imagine if you have like art 80% finished and story 50% finished and the guy coding the framework is like 10% done and he says he's waiting on the story to be more finished before he can continue coding it.
At no fucking point should art assets be a hindrance to coding the game. PLACEHOLDERS NIGGA.
>>344980325
Princess Trainer Gold
Witch Trainer
Delirium
The Beast and the Bitch
Noxian Nights
Overwhored (not sure if he have patreon back than)
Magic Matchup
>>344982525
Yeah, that's a game.
>>344976996
Vanilly, Fleetart and S-Purple streamed their work, regularly doing anywhere from 5-15 hours of work 5 days week.
Guess who was never seen streaming and was constantly holding up the project. I'll give you a hint, he wanted an easy ride and made an autistic rage post.
>>344982401
Yeah, and what if you replace one of the roles with someone who's been introduced to the craft one week ago?
If you get a bad artist, nobody will want to fap to your ugly porn
If you get a bad writer, nobody will give a shit about your VN
If you get a bad programmer? He can still probably churn out a VN in Flash or Ren'py because it's literally the easiest thing one can code.
>>344976996
>he has consistently made stubbornly unreasonable decisions borne out by a poor understanding of the actual management of a project
the irony
>>344981549
>he's a dubshitter
>emoticons everywhere
Fucking gross.
>>344982604
Couldn't I just drop the programmer too at that point and make something in Mario Maker?
>>344979517
go live in china m8:^)
>>344976996
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/delay.html
remember this lie
>>344982671
You'd be a god if you somehow managed to make a porn game in mario maker without getting flagged
>>344982505
TEST03, TEST07, and 5-2 are porn though, right?
Come to think of it, I don't even follow why he's setting what he sets as private. 5-2 is loli dicksucking and is public, but a bunch of dance videos are private.
3-4 was the best thing he's made anyway.
>>344977546
Z U C C
>>344977915
Oh no, no one actually gives a shit because you cant make money off of it.
>>344976996
>A stupid failed normie tried to make a porn game by himself
>Drums up 50k~ on KS
>Hires artists, voice actors, and a scriptwriter
>Manages them all fairly well and handles all the PR by himself
>Was also the programmer
>Game released successfully and was even on Steam Top 10 for a few days
How is this possible when Breeding Season failed despite making 40k A MONTH?
>>344982880
W-Would you happen to have any links bud?
>>344982950
Really, faggot?
>>344982737
I wouldn't need a programmer to make a porn game. At worst I could whip something up in fucking Powerpoint.
>>344982947
Hunie Pop had a programmer that was willing to work, Breeding Season did not.
Programmer is the most vital role to a game's development, so it's the obvious answer.
>>344977915
the swf won't work for me
>>344982880
5-2 isn't porn, just more fucking dancing.
The other two are porn but Test 07 just seems like a reupload of a previous video. Test03 isn't anything special, just one position that's seen in the thumbnail.
>>344983058
>flash 10
jesus thats old
>>344982947
Because Jews. Like, literally in this case. Literally a fucking Jew.
>>344983058
where's a place to get flash player without paying?
>>344983131
What?
>>344982401
>But selectively drop two of these roles, and what ends up with the most complete game?
The only ones that produce a thing of worth are the writer and the artist. The programmer's contribution, without the assets, is NOT of any value to anyone. The quality of a Visual Novel is 100% decided by the quality of its writing and art (and soundtrack). For programming, it doesn't matter if you have John Carmack coding it or a guy who started his first programming class yesterday, his contribution to the end product will be negligible and the only thing Carmack would do better than a complete newbie is that he'd be finished before the first piss break. The newbie would still do it, just slightly slower.
You cannot replace the writer in a visual novel because the end result will be a different novel that has nothing to do with the original. Same goes for art. Even the sound designer will drastically affect the mood of the game. But the programmer? All he needs to do is make sure the thing doesn't crash, and he's done all that anyone expected of him.
>>344976996
>On July 4th Vanilly gave me her two weeks notice, and explained to me that in addition to issues she had with my disorganized management of the project
>my disorganized management of the project
>my disorganized management of the project
>It's the art guy fault! I swear!
>>344983245
>I was waiting for the artists to allow me to hire a different manager
>nah jk I ain't splitting the shekels
>>344983245
It was, it's just jew collusion that set up poor white man goyim hbomb.
![[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.01_[2016.06.26_18.27.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z66vm8l.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.01_[2016.06.26_18.27.39].jpg")
>>344983120
Well I guess I'm not missing much then. I wish Andil and どうしよう would upload more stuff though.
>>344983204
Sorry but you don't have a product period without a programmer.
>>344983201
S-Purple is a Jew.
>>344982616
>If you get a bad writer, nobody will give a shit about your VN
Tell that to Akabur.
>>344983245
>Vanilly's post says that Hbomb refused to hire her on board as an employee yet expected her to do that amount of work with a SUBcontractor's pay
>She said he regularly shot down her suggestions and contributions and didn't really guide or support her
>Apparently sometimes he outright ignored her requests
Funny how in the end, the only two people who pocketed most of the money was Hbomb and swig.
>>344978539
You're an idiot. He pulled a complete ass move just because his contract allowed for it. As an artfag I'm here to tell you doggydog world won't get you very far here. He completely ruined his brand and it may not ever recover. Selling the art and having a clean cut from the project would have been the smart move. He'd have money in his filthy pocket and the possibility for profiting from his work. What use will be the assets to him now when he fucked over the very same people he'll try to market them to next?
>>344976996
So, the only person who actually did his job was vanilly huh?
Also, the head of the project also seems quite irresponsible.
>>344983432
I thought he was Serbian or something.
>>344983462
Didn't his witch game fail?
>>344983190
>paying
u wot m8
https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/debug_downloads.html
get the projector or projector with debug unless you are running memedos 8.1+ then get the version that fits
>>344983392
are you fucking dense
his point is that programming a VN is so easy and expendable that any human being on the planet can learn how to do it in a weekend
>>344983201
Artist is a Jew.
Well the whole thing turned into a Ponzi Scheme in the first place once they became the most supported Pateon on the site, but the Head Scammer got scammed by the artist and the whole thing came crumbling down cause he was too lazy to do his actual job.
>YOU can't scam me, I'M suppose to be doing the scamming!!!
>>344983190
jesus christ
>>344983204
I dunno man, VA-11 HALL-A annoyed the shit out of me with its lack of auto and pre-read skip functions, and the delay on previewing songs.
>>344981098
It probably feels soul crushing.
>>344977129
why is the first post so often the best post?
>>344983541
A Serbian Jew, yes.
