Holy shit it's fucking over! People have put nearly half a million into this and now they're getting nothing!
>>344963061
What is this and why should I care?
>>344963269
Biggest patreon funded hentai game.
>>344963061
We had three threads about this hours ago. You missed all the fun.
>>344963390
The fuck would you fund a game via Patreon for? At least with Kikestarter you're actually paying for a product and MIGHT be able to get a refund.
>>344963390
I see, and why it died? What is S-purple to begin with.
>>344963390
wow it's fucking nothing
>>344963473
those are weebs you're talking about
literal bottom feeders
>>344963269
some good folks were making an erotic game
people gave them money to make it
everything was good
then some guy on their team pulled some legal bullshit, took half the money, made his OWN thing WITH all that money, and basically sunk the game's chances of ever being finished. He also owns the rights to it or something, so they can't touch him.
>>344963061
Funny stuff
>>344963473
>you're actually paying for a product and MIGHT be able to get a refund.
lol no
it's literally the same shit as patreon
you're donating and you have no chance of getting your money back
>>344963456
Damn it. I've been dicking around trying to get uplay to workIt never worked and I had to refund a game
>>344963635
Never trust furfags.
>>344963735
Never trust a Vladimir, apparently.
>>344963490
S-Purple was the guy that did all the art. Was getting half the gold and now sunk the ship in an attempt to take it.
>>344963061
>>344963061
>>344963061
>>344963061
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.ca/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html?zx=75a49869525b824c
all you need to know
>>344963456
>Four threads in the archive
>600+ posts each
Holy shit, I did miss the fun. I'm gonna put on a pot of coffee and stew in this shit for a little while. Anything big I should look forward to?
>>344963918
>>344963907
guy who got fucked over decided to fuck over his fucker-overer and left the door open for the game assets
this seems like the final game version.
mega:///#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
>Wouldn't it be funny, though, if just somehow some particularly dedicated fan were to guess the password to my Dropbox account (I'm the worst with coming up with secure passwords, I always put something obvious like the name of my favorite fighting game series or something) and were to get ahold of the folder containing every file involved in the game's creation?
A lot of salt but I guess its justified salt.
isnt the artist the old broquest artist or is that someone else
>>344963787
S-Purple/Schwig is an Israeli
>>344964437
yes, hes been shitting up every project hes been a part of for a while now, wonder if hes pulled shit like this before?
>>344964437
Yep, same guy.
>>344963061
Here's the truth, the whole team was incompetent from the get go and had no clue what they were doing, there wasn't a very clear plan from the beginning and there was too many clash of ideas on what to work on. The main problem was communication, these guys were highly unprofessional probably have never worked in a team environment or a proper job in their lives. Communication is important if you don't address how you feel to team mates problems start to arise and they did. Frustration with lack of goals, stalling led to gossiping about each other. So in the end they all wanted to quit.
>>344964464
So a man named Vladimir who scammed hundreds of people for thousands of dollars is also a jew?
Now this is getting hilarious.
>>344964558
>>344964574
What he do to broquest?
So where is the asset dump?
This is a good thing. Since the game had zero coherent vision it was probably gonna turn into design by committee garbage if they straightened out their shit.
Should have given the money to Rance translators. It's a damn shame.
>>344965113
>rsnce translators
Anon...
The real question I have now, did S-Purple also fuck over Bro Quest way back when?
I never followed those threads closely but I was interested in BS because he did art for Bro Quest.
>>344965113
mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Wait, people were paying for this? Top kek.
Breeding Season failed because H-Bomb was an incompetent manager and programmer who constantly misused money, failed to properly pay contributors, and did as little work as possible while taking a large cut of the donations.
Now he's trying to play the victim and push all of the blame off on S-Purple, who, while not blameless, definitely was not the primary cause of the project falling apart. S-Purple was not managing this project, and he was not responsible for assigning assets to the rest of the Art Team or determining where the money went. That was NOT HIS JOB.
While I can't say I personally have much faith in it or really, any of these trendy adult game concepts, Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left of Breeding Season's art assets (which he does actually legally own the rights to), without having to put up with H-Bomb's incompetence. BS itself was essentially already dead by the time that project went live.
You people are falling for a coward's attempt to dodge responsibility hook, line, and sinker, because you're too in love with "Jew/sneaky artist" narratives.
>>344963787
>>344964464
>tfw Vladimir
>tfw Jew
>tfw want to make porn for Patreon bucks
Why did it have to turn out like this?At least I'm not circumcised.
>>344965705
Use a fake identity
>>344965705
We all want to. I just can't trust you. To be fair, I can't trust any porn maker on patreon.
>>344965113
fuck the Rance translators
>>344965538
I don't think it helps that Schwig failed to respond to the allegations or come up with a convincing narrative of his own. I can buy HB being incompetent, but even so, from the looks of things Schwig did act in a pretty underhanded way the way he worked on a new project in secret. Obviously, we don't know the full story, but you gotta understand that people like to latch on to the first side they hear just because any story is more convincing than silence. If all goes well, Schwig will do a counterattack too and we'll have the pleasure of witnessing some huge drama. If he stays silent, that might just suggest that he has no defense.
>>344965916
There are only two guys so far worth od money and one of them released a full game and now he working a new project and already released a demo
They post on the western porn games thread on /aco/
>>344965538
>Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left
I think you meant
> Schwig's new project is the ultimate cash grab scam to fuck over donors some more
If you believe for even one second that anything will ever come out of this you are by far the biggest retard on this board right now
>>344965538
H-Bomb clearly said S rejected his attempts to get someone competent to manage the project.
He laid out a reason S fucked him at every step for attempting to get this shit in order. Ball is in his court or anyone else who can prove otherwise.
The fact he started a new project that cloned their existing one without telling anyone, EVEN THE PEOPLE HE'S TRYING GET TO HELP MAKE THE CLONE, makes him look like a complete fucking scumbag so I'm not inclined to trust him at all at this point.
Eh, nothing of value was lost.
I really hope this killed the furfag porn business, might shift funding to our glorious japanese h-dev overlords. Ooyari ashito (artist for LWR, Eiyuu Senki) is making a princess trainer game and his japanese kickstarter needs money, go fund him instead (or D&P if you're a nevereverfag).
>>344966149
Who are these two men you speak of?
>S-purple does it again
The asshat has been bailing and ruining projects before. Not exactly surprising that he is the one that killed Breeding Season in the end.
>>344966112
this, if schwing felt the boat was sinking he should have opend fire first and and been more public (especially scence he had controll of all art assets and half the funds) instead he went silent. thats gade a suspicious
>>344966251
H-Bomb is also saying that Schwig is "single-handedly" responsible for ruining the project, despite mismanaging the project the entire way through, and was the first person to publicly lash out in an attempt to control the narrative, so I cannot take anything he's saying as trustworthy.
For instance,
>H-Bomb clearly said S rejected his attempts to get someone competent to manage the project.
This is absolutely retarded. What kind of project manager has to go through his fucking art director on that kind of decision? Getting competent management if he couldn't provide any of his own was entirely H-Bomb's responsibility and trying to blame someone else for his own failure is just childish.
>>344966360
CypressZeta and another guy called HentaiWriter.
CZ has released a full fleged game called Overwhored and its working a visual novel. (Both of them involve mind control.)
>>344966358
>everything you just said
https://enty.jp/en
Japanese Patreon is better.
>>344966737
>This is absolutely retarded.
Is it?
>H-Bomb: Hey I want to hire a project manager
>S-Purple: No, I don't want to be managed.
>H-Bomb: That's unreasonable.
>S-Purple: You can't make me, I'll manage myself.
How hard is that to believe? In fact, I've seen this kind of stuff happen before in small circles.
RIP.
All the animations were tweening garbage, the gameplay was grind grind grind, and the project was visibly in shambles almost the whole way through.
Hentai games are fucking stupid. Why not just make animations? Why do retards who throw money at this crap feel the need to include a game element?
>>344966737
An art director that owns half the company
S-PURPLE DOES IT AGAIN
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>344965538
>management is retarded
>so let's hire a project manager like we told people we would
>no lets not
Alright yeah, S-Purple totally dindu nuffin
He fucked people over royally
>>344966737
i belive its because S was practically his buisness partner and clearly held much of the project under his control. hence how he could walk away with so much in the first place
>>344966459
>>344967028
How long can he keep going before he stops getting job? This is like the third time I've heard him doing shit like this.
>trusting artists
>>344967158
Can you list the other two? I'm interested
>>344966960
>>344967078
>>344967089
When project management is literally your job and it goes badly, that's on you.
>>344967158
>>344967260
I want to know, too. Was broquest one of them?
>>344967342
Oh fuck I totally forgot that he wrecked Broquest too.
>>344963735
furfags are usually the most trustworthy, its why so many artists like them, they pay on time.
that also means if you want to scam somebody they are a mark who pays, whereas nobody else does.
Nobody from here's putting forth the big bucks regularly.
>>344967234
I think you mean
>trusting Schwig
can someone give the assets to japs, they'll finish it.
>>344965538
Hey guys we got S-purp here. You fucking slavjew
>>344964985
Pretend to be interested in working on it
>>344967305
Isn't the real fuckup that he agreed to give half the project to him in the first place? How does it actually work when someone else has half the project you are trying to manage (incompetenly) and that person wont't cooperate?
>>344965538
And S-Purple is the good guy because he took the assets for himself and put them into another game which took time from the current game he was being handsomely paid for and...
Hold on that doesn't make sense.
>>344967305
>be programmer
>recognize you're not doing a good job as project manager
>cant hire someone to do it
sorry but youre being retarded for the sake of argument
your role in a team can and should change depending on the requirements and results
it's clear S-Purple was what made the project tank.
>>344967305
you keep convinently ignoring the fact that schwig owns half of the goddamn project, and is basically a co-manager. jesus its like you dont listen
>>344965538
>definitely was not the primary cause of the project falling apart.
he lied and stole from the project. Whatever issues there were, he is the reason its fallen apart.
>>344963514
iirc it was going to be good shit (bestiality) but then furfags came in and converted it to furfagism
apparently they kept redoing their fucking art
>>344963061
Another reason I'll never build the nerve to fund shit. I have the opportunity to pay for my dreams and this shit can happen, how upsetting.
>>344967205
>Exactly my point from the start. Programmer got this joke of a job done years ago and he's been getting paid to jerk off since then. Artist has been working consistently, apparently, and they're surprised that he's finally fed up.
This would make sense, if he didn't decide to embezzle the art assets for ANOTHER game with a potentially larger scope than before, as well as potentially REDOING THEM AGAIN, if the concept art is accurate.
>>344967715
Patreon clause prevented it from being a thing initially. It happened to be a happy coincidence that furries were allowed and also had the most money to spend.
>>344966358
>I really hope this killed the furfag porn business
You're joking, right? People have been drawing and selling furshit since long before the Internet even existed.
>>344967768
Kickstarter and its nsfw clones are fine. If you outline the whole project, launch your kickstarter with a demo build, and keep it reasonable then you can find success and finish what you start.
Patreon encourages you to drag out projects, bloat the scope, and keep making promises because there's no reason why you'd want to end a project. It's not what Patreon was meant for. It was meant for people who continually made standalone content, like video reviews, podcasts, paintings, etc.
Don't use PATREON if you want a dream project.
>>344967205
>>344967792
that and isnt it well known that the artist has been redoing shit over and over again, effectively stretching out the projects length?
>>344967715
that's dumb, i can understand if a project loses it's main artist/designer early on, etc and things go south really quickly, i can understand then if a project takes more years and goes slower than Molasses and have to redo the art and everything.
but these were the same people from the start to finish right? so they just changed basically the entire game to pander to furfags, and didn't lost any funds because of it?
>>344966737
>What kind of project manager has to go through his fucking art director on that kind of decision?
The kind of project manager who lets his art director have control of 50% of the game's money and 100% of the game's art, with an incredibly distinct, uncopyable artstyle.
Shwig basically fucking owned the company, man. There was no game without him. And he abused that power to run the game into the ground while more competent people tried to salvage it.
>>344963635
>>everything was good
Nice joke.
From DAY ONE, it was filled with lazy people. When it hit Patreon, idiot furries gave tons of money to it for no sane reason, and then they literally never released a single update. For a year or so.
They'd occasionally make a "we're totally working on it!" post, and they never were. People who are blaming the artist for this are completely braindead, nothing was stopping the original author from writing new stuff aside from his own laziness.
Imagine CoC, but instead of one update a month that adds some shit nobody wanted, imagine no updates ever and yet it still made 30k a month from desperate furries. I'm surprised they brought the gravy train to an end, the artist is an idiot for trying to make a new patreon to get 100% of nothing instead of half of loads of money.
>>344967305
>>344965538
hi shwig
>jewed three years of furbux
>killed Breeding Season and didnt even give project creator assets, setting it back to version 4.4
>serectly laundering money for secret project and literally pulled the rug out from under HBomb
>using the same assets to create a semi clone of previous work
Jews not even once
>even scummy enough to use the same connections for new project
cant say i didnt see this coming, i knew something was going on when shwig didnt stream for a month.
i guess this what happens when you are to much of a nice guy, no wonderjews were enslaved and forced to work for pennies
>>344967971
this
an actual project that is going to be completed sometime is something that's more fitting for kickstarter, patreon is more for people who regularly release content like art and shit
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147379126450
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147385830885lel
>>344968037
>nothing was stopping the original author from writing new stuff aside from his own laziness.
Dude, download the leak. There's a TON of writing finished.
>>344967792
It's not embezzlement, it's his own fucking work.
You're missing the point that this guy joined a team expecting a product to be made. Instead, he got a programming, writing, and design team that couldn't produce ANYTHING meaningful in THREE YEARS.
Why should a lazy programmer/writer/designer get paid $9k+ a month off of someone else's art assets? Instead of enabling a traditional lazy programmer, he broke off.
The fact that a game is literally RUINED because one (1) artist left is proof of this.
What should have happened is
>"Hey, I'm going to leave and I'm taking my art assets with me"
>This is extremely unfortunate, but we've been making programming/writing/design assets for three years straight and you've been slacking quite a bit, so it's not really that big a loss and we have enough money to hire a new artist anyways.
Yet that's NOT what happened because, surprise, the project is fucking nothing without an artist holding the carrot-on-a-stick.
>shwig stealing money like the jew he is
good goys
>>344967971
>>344968071
If you want to make your dream h-game, go do it.
Say does anyone know what happened to Noill's Succubus game that he hinted at? Did he ever launch that into production or no?
>>344968037
Except that's a lie. They had regular updates and the reason why development slowed down was because Schwig was constantly expanding the scope and no one could refuse him because he owned all the art assets.
>>344968028
i'm not entirely sure myself. i just know that bestiality was planned entirely but that now it's a furfag game.
and from more i've heard they kept having to redo their fucking art several times. it's commonly talked about on /d/
>>344968034
>with an incredibly distinct, uncopyable artstyle
Eh, look up Cubesona.
>>344968197
I guarantee you've never produced artwork for anyone.
You don't get to take your shit and run when stuff falls apart.
Programmers can't run with their code, teachers can't even run with their classroom exercises, you can't run with your artwork.
>>344968197
The embezzlement was him having someone on the team work on a competing project without telling them that it was for a competing project, while getting paid to do so.
>>344968310
Shwig got bored of his anime style and changed to a slightly more "mature" style with plainer faces. Just redid his own art for months.
>>344968197
he already got paid for his work
yes the guy who organized this was retarded but from just a strict business perspective they already paid him in exchange for the assets
>>344968197
>The fact that a game is literally RUINED because one (1) artist left is proof of this.
Not just an artist. He was the art director who owned the rights to all of the artwork.
They can't continue work on the game because he can DMCA them at any moment because they're competing with the other game he was secretly working on.
>>344968197
Are you retarded? It's a porn game, 90% of the content is based on the art. Art made across 3 years. Of course the project will dissolve if the jew of an artist decides to take everything with him overnight.
>>344968347
he owns the rights to his assets though, a real game dev company would've made anything he produces property of the company.
>>344968347
it depends on your contract, in this case it allowed the guy to still own the art he made for the game
no idea why the fuck anyone would put that in a contract seeing it makes no sense but thats what happened
>>344968197
>programmer/writer/designer
programmer/writer/designer/manager (because the artist wouldn't let him hire a better manager)
Who also OWNS THE GAME.
The only logs I see from S purple are him leaving, the rest is assumptions that H-bomb is lying about anything.
H-Bomb is acting exactly like my old server manager of mine, who now has a public blog documenting screenshots of him over years and documenting all the lies he's made to numerous online groups.
Just because one guy may or may not be to blame, doesn't automatically make the other guy a person who doesn't lie.
There's some evidence he has to back it up but it's another to instantly agree with everything he says based on what he showed.
That said I have no clue, but my bet would be on both the faggots having fucked up the project, while swig might be what's putting the final nail in it.
>>344968280
>the reason why development slowed down was because Schwig was constantly expanding the scope and no one could refuse him because he owned all the art assets.
Breeding Season in its current form can be fully programmed in under a week. The writing and all other non-art assets shouldn't take too long either.
Let's be generous and give them, let's say, three months. Three months to make what shouldn't take more than a week.
Now, here's the $1 million question:
>What possible features could this guy have recommended that would have turned a 3-month project into a 3-year one?
>>344968436
>>344968448
if that's true then whoever did those contracts was a fucking moron
Yeah but the art style is generic pseudo anime tripe.
For that money they could have hired a struggling Doujin artist or top tier r34 artist and sent his ass packing. Even sued him for the money and let him have his art assets.
>>344968197
Schwig is the one that kept putting more and more work into it when it was not necessary. One top of redoing the assets on his own accord, he decided to keep adding more monsters to do scenes with. He fucked himself over, not the programmer/writer.
He needed a project manager to tell him to not completely redo everything, let alone twice, as well as randomly add more content which requires exponentially more work, time and resources into than originally intended.
And now he fucked his own good well with everyone by pulling this number.
How is he supposed to do another, bigger game if he does shit like this?
>>344968310
this is true, hell even i knew that the artit was a time wasting bafoon and that was over a year ago.
>>344968313
They're friends.
Hell pretty sure Cubesona used to do porn too.
>>344968459
>Breeding Season in its current form can be fully programmed in under a week
That's bullshit though.
The game was reeving huge amounts of cash for what is essentially play shapes level flash animations inside a bare bones VN.
And it barely updated anything in over a year.
I don't see how anyone is supersized by this outcome.
>>344968492
thats what weave been saying.
h-box fucked himself over, and diddnt realize it until it was too late.
>>344963473
>>344963650
exactly. At least with patreon it's more obvious too.
You're giving a dude money. If he uses it to make his game, that's fine. If not, well, that's how patreon works and you cancel your donation.
Kickstarter makes people think they're paying to receive a product when it is completed, but this is absolutely not the case. You're donating, exactly in the same fashion as patreon. Nobody is beholden to spend their kickstarter money on the project that was funded, and obviously nobody is beholden to complete their project even if they do spend the money on it.
>>344968571
"Programmed."
Not the art, the programming.
CONCLUSION:
S-bomb was stupid with the contract and everything but he sorta tried
Schwig was a gigantic faggot through a through
But the biggest morons were the patrons
Right?
>>344968448
>>344968492
The programmer did the contract up back before the game was even on Patreon, when it was just a shitty flash game, and he didn't think it'd be NEARLY this big. He was 3 years more naive and thought he was starting a shitty throwaway project, not a 3+ year long lifesucker.
And why did you not read the blog post? Why does nobody read the fucking blog post, and then assume that they should comment?
>>344967342
he tried to make a shooter with vanilly, lonestar something.
It didnt even get a demo
>>344968347
Except Shwig did.
You can't really blame a programmer for being lazy when he finished all the necessary code years ago and the artist just "gets bored of his style XD" and changing it before he even finishing anything. Any decent studio out there would fire you for doing that.
Blame him for being a gullible idiot. For giving absurd contracts. For scratching his balls when he could've researched into the jew. But programming. That was a thing he was done ages ago.
>>344968675
Did they know about the retarded contract before this? They're pretty stupid to sit and wait for Shwig redrawing autism though.
>>344968695
why should I have to read to shitpost fuck that noise
>>344968675
Probably
Spot on
Spot on
>>344968630
That's still bullshit.
You're also forgetting the animation that needs to be done which is a fuckton because every creature needs to have an animation where they fuck with every other creature.
>>344968675
I mean yeah. At least with Fenoxo people knew he could pull off something of that scope as he had pretty much already done it.
These guys had fuckin nothing.
>>344968786
He said the PROGRAMMING.
The art assets are an entirely different beast.
>>344968313
shwig, cubesona and binarypen had similar artstyles.
Then shwig cucked binarypen and had a fallout with cubesone
>>344968786
What does that have to do with programming?
>>344968456
He has more proof than anyone else has presented, and at least some of that is definitely true, because he has logs and you can go and see Shwig's new game's Patreon.
There's no reason to believe he's lying, especially since Shwig hasn't said a word in response.
>>344968675
>>S-bomb was stupid with the contract and everything but he sorta tried
No. If he had any kind of sense or was putting any actual effort into the project, none of this shit would have happened.
The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard. Getting out-jewed by a jew doesn't somehow remove blame from you for hiring that jew.
But anyone who donated for any reason is obviously the biggest moron in the galaxy, that hasn't changed at all since day one. You were retarded for pledging a dollar when the Patreon started, and you're still retarded now.
>>344968456
this is the most likely answer. its unfortunate, but honestly the most probable reason.
>>344968829
And I'm calling bullshit on what he said.
>>344968786
And that was vanilly's work which imo , was the hardest and most exhausting. But who the fuck cares, she jumped the boat before the iceberg.
>>344967387
Broquest was a bunch of idea guys and no programmers multiple times.
>>344968695
if you're starting a shitty throwaway project why even have a contract?
> also allowed him to retain the rights to his artwork, under the assumption that if either of us ever chose to leave the project that they would be able to then sell their portion of the product to the other, or negotiate for royalties
this just makes absolutely zero sense. there's NO REASON to do this instead of just retaining rights to the work, the guy's an idiot
>>344968868
>The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard.
The one that the Art Director refused to have hired?
>>344968347
>>344968395
>>344968454
>>344968514
A lot of you apparently weren't here for last thread, so I'll reiterate my point.
Breeding Season is a JOKE of a game from a programming, writing, and non-art perspective. It's a barebones point-and-click flash spreadsheet simulator, a genre meant to be entry-level for programmers. You can see exactly how much writing the game has in the leaked files. The game is practically NOTHING without the art.
So, we have an programmer/writer/designer who shit out a quick game in a month three years ago, then has done VIRTUALLY NOTHING outside of upkeep for the past three years, despite taking in $9k a month. If this programmer actually WERE working this whole time, his game would absolutely reflect 3+ years of work instead of the empty mess it is now.
Then there's this artist, S-Purple. He's getting paid the same amount as this do-nothing programmer, yet he's been consistently putting out art assets over the course of three years. Sure, he started over twice, but that shouldn't have had a SINGLE IMPACT on the progress of the rest of the team.
So this artist is getting a shitload of flack for pulling out of a dead-end project, yet not a SINGLE PERSON is criticizing the absolute clown fiesta that the rest of the team consists of.
>>344968887
Yeah, Vanilly had way too much work to do. They had set up the game to have around 1500 animations to do, and Vanilly took 2-3 days to finish one animation. That's obviously a huge recipe for failure.
>>344968883
You're also using examples that don't relate to the point he made.
>>344968843
I noticed that both shwig and cube are kinda volatile. They both have bad reps/ made some pretty volatile posts.
Binarypen seems cool though I haven't seen him in a while.
>>344964851
I have a slavjew friend, he's surprisingly alright, but reserved.
>>344968868
>The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard.
you mean shwig?
>>344968961
>If this programmer actually WERE working this whole time, his game would absolutely reflect 3+ years of work instead of the empty mess it is now.
Well, considering Schwig keeps adding stuff, he gets to script/write new events and such.
So who got it worse?
MN9 Fags or BS Fags?
Smaller scale but has to be BS, yeah? 2+ years of getting cucked out of your money for this.
>>344968961
nice try shwig, you won't weasel your way outta this one with scapegoats!
>>344967440
Isn't Schwig actually from Israel?
>>344968961
if the artist is redoing all the art on his own accord, without the consent of the rest of the team and the rest of the team is just sitting around waiting for him to finish
it's on the artist
>>344968961
Why didn't they hire more artists then?
>>344968893
Didn't a lot of programmers actually come forth and volunteer?
>>344968935
>if you're starting a shitty throwaway project why even have a contract?
Because he wanted to offer the artist good terms for his services? Because you literally always need a contract?
>the guy's an idiot
Nobody's disputing that it was a dumb move, but do you have any idea how many otherwise perfectly fine business ventures have gone under because of tiny, stupid mistakes way back in the beginning? Especially with contracts? It's not like he's the only person, hell, the only game dev to have something like this happen to him.
He obviously wouldn't do it again, and probably regretted it within a few months, but by then it was too late. By the time he'd wizened up he couldn't do anything.
>>344969007
Binarypen has been mia for a while, I think he left the tumblr scene. Good for him
what I can get is that the amateur artist scene in tumblr is really shitty and full of divas
Anyway vanilly is a qt3.14
>>344969128
You need people who can design a game, as well.
>>344968868
The only reason I don't ultimately blame H-Bomb is because he probably didn't know what to do with himself. It sounds like the contract was drawn up well beforehand. Also, deep down I get the feeling he knew that if he made Shwig leave he'd be fucking himself over since the draw for his art was strong.
I can't hate him for trying to make the best of a bad situation, especially when he underestimated how popular it'd be by a long shot and at least tried to get someone to do proper project manager. It's just that the star attraction wasn't cool with that, namely because that guy would likely be smart and ask him to re-contract and/or manage the project properly enough for them to have something of worth.
>>344968961
Maybe, anon, people aren't criticizing him sheerly because he pulled out, but because he was an immature asshole about doing it? You know, how he skipped out on work for a month and still took money, then proceeded to jew one of the devs of Breeding Season to work on his new project without even telling him that it was for his new jewject, then proceed to up and leave out of nowhere after that? We like to call that autism in the business. Not getting social cues and all that. Maybe if he had spoken with civility in advance and been polite, and proceeded to let H-bomb keep the art (what would shwig do with it anyway, it's not like he can pick up BS on his own), we wouldn't be flakking him so much, huh?
>>344969141
TOPKEK
did you save the other pics of his face?
>>344968981
2-3 days was actually pretty fast. Considering she animated all the variations. But she was stuck waiting for some goyim to redesign his shit forever.
>>344968961
no seriously, shut up shwig, only a moron can't see that S-purple isnt the core source for all this drama and every major problem the game has gone through, everyone knew about it for a long time too.
>>344968961
i was there during the whole fiasco and Hbomb got shit on out the most of them and the fact that he didnt even give him the assets r at least let him buy it since he is oh so a fountain of creativity, he decided to let it all crash and burn and then he makes the exact same replica of the previous game.
fuck off you NEET, dont you have your army service to do.
>>344968961
>programmer/writer/designer
PROGRAMMER/WRITER/DESIGNER/MANAGER
BECAUSE THE ARTIST WOULDN'T LET HIM HIRE A BETTER MANAGER
WHO OWNS THE GAME, AND IS ABSOLUTELY ENTITLED TO ANY AMOUNT OF PAY NO MATTER HOW UNFAIR IT IS, EVEN IF HE DIDN'T DO ANY WORK
AND YES, MANAGING AN INTERNATIONAL TEAM OF CAPRICIOUS YOUNG ARTISTS IS A VERY TIME-CONSUMING AND DIFFICULT JOB
>>344969151
>Binarypen has been mia for a while, I think he left the tumblr
Shame, he was the nicest of the bunch and I think talked to me a bit way back.I only recently decided to do nsfw stuff and am enjoying my time on tumblr after having left my sfw blog for a long time.
>>344969042
well, mighty number 9 is better than nothing
This was just the tip of iceberg.
Look at pic related.
HentaiWriter tries to shill everwhere. On 4chan, Ulmf and even in the comments multiple times.
Patreon was a mistake anyway.
>>344969097
>if the artist is redoing all the art on his own accord, without the consent of the rest of the team and the rest of the team is just sitting around waiting for him to finish
>it's on the artist
The artist starting over doesn't magically erase lines of code. It doesn't delete a script saved to your computer. It doesn't invalidate design documents.
When you're programming a game, you don't just masturbate in the corner while you wait for an artist. The entire team works with placeholders that get replaced as the artist finishes assets, not the other way around.
You know what should have happened?
>"Hey, I want to start over with my art"
>That kind of sucks and sets us back, but okay. We'll keep working on the code/script/design. It's not like this affects our progress.
Except that's NOT what happened and the absolute lack of assets from everyone other than the artist proves this. If it were "on the artist", we'd see an actual product that took three years to code and write, not a ten-minute flash adventure.
>>344969245
Sure, 2-3 days might be fast, but when you have 1000+ animations to do, it's not nearly fast enough. It's just too much for one person to handle. It'd have taken them over a decade to finish all the animating.
>>344969295
good luck my man.
if you need advice try to talk with noill, coro, gats or even vanilly.
They are all nice
>nicest of the bunch
I hope he is doing fine now, he kinda got blackballed after the cucking
>>344969151
>thick eyebrows, bangs, and sleep marks under her eyes
unfsorry vanilly i cant help it
So is Roundscape the biggest Patreon funded H game that's still going right now?
>>344969427
>RPGmaker
please no
>>344969374
>The artist starting over doesn't magically erase lines of code.
No, but it pushes the release date even more.
If he stuck with the first designs, the game would have been completed already.
He alone is the one that caused the situation.
>>344968961
friendly reminder that you live in Israel and draw explicitly illegal content for a living
>>344968710
>>344969421
she fine my man
>tw no neet artist gf
>>344968961
Reminds me of the misuse of funds in the Wizardry series in the 90's. Like how they paid a self professed "RPG expert" $200k to go off on his own and make RPG shit for the game for a year, only for him to come back with nothing, only for him to get paid again and run off with the money (yes, they paid him his year's salary up front).
>>344963787
>Never trust a Vladimir, apparently.
well duh
>>344968883
Are you a programmer?
I could knock out the skeleton of a generic jRPG engine in SDL/C++ in about a week. It's not like it is uncharted ground, you don't really need to sit down and make major design choices.
>>344969360
this cant be real
>checks blogspot
LMAO IT'S REAL HOLY FUCKING KEK
DO THEY HAVE ANY SHAME AT ALL
>>344963061
the idea was cool but the art and animations were so fucking disgusting and unfappable jesus christ
only thing that gave me a boner was that tittymonster lady you meet at the beginning who talks about horse cum or something
>>344969427
A full fledged RPG with H right?
>>344969379
Totally agree on that. She needed a helping hand. 1000+ 2d Animations are just too much for one person to handle. Also, by the time she would be close to finishing, They would have redesigned the monsters again for a 10th time.And she's kind of a qt3.141592
>>344969360
He's being an advertisement whore.
It's real shitty but he's not fucking anyone over like Shwig, just showing his own shamelessness.
>>344968710
she looks tired
i want to put her to sleep with my warm cummy in her tummy
>>344969374
if you're making a shitty flash game / spreadsheet game / visual novel then the its like a 20/80 programming to art split, you can literally finish all the programming and just be sitting around waiting for the art with nothing left to do
>>344969374
and what would they program? like seriously this argument is absolute shit. the game is centered around the art and animation assets. the occasional new line of code for, would you guess it, new art assets/animations is all the can do after the initial coding and game structure. which was completed.
everyone had done their job, and were waiting on the artist/co creator to finally let them know he had done his.
>>344969653
>she
>>344969491
>>344969620
Why would I want my H-game to be an RPG? I don't want to have to grind all day to get to the next scene. Dumb ass "designers"
>>344969681
The thing is, looking at the development, they were constantly adding shit.
The guiltiest thing H-Bomb did is not solidify what the "endgame" of his project would be, the point where he and everyone else stops adding new events, buildings, items, characters, or monsters, and just focus on polishing and finishing it.
At best you can argue there's no reason it was still an Alpha in three years. Any other group would have just said "no, no more, that doesn't fit in the game design document, doesn't change the game on a big scale in a good way, so trash it" and moved on to bettering the current assets and killing bugs.
But that also is something a proper Project Manager would've done. Might've been better to just deal with an upset Shwig early on to go around and get one. Back then he might not have been willing to drop the project simply because of how much money it was bringing in.
>>344969910
Then make it an easy RPG that doesn't rely on a lot of grinding.
>>344969326
At this point, I'm not even sure about that anymore...
>>344969910
Have you never played an H-RPG before? They're relatively easy.
>>344969507
>>344969681
>you can literally finish all the programming and just be sitting around waiting for the art with nothing left to do
>If he stuck with the first designs, the game would have been completed already.
Which, again, goes back to my original point.It also throws the "But S-Purple put too much on the programmer's plate!" argument right the fuck out.
Breeding Season doesn't take a long time to code or write for. It absolutely doesn't take three fucking years, even if your artist is demanding something nuts.
So unless the programming/writing/design team is SO INCOMPETENT that it took them multiple months/years to put together a point-and-click spreadsheet simulator, they've been sitting on their hands for months if not years now.
That's up to three years of sitting around being paid $9k a month to do literally nothing, while an artist pumps out art over and over for months on end just to put money in your pockets. Last thread I was informed that S-Purple updated regularly up until last month, including regular 8-16 hour streams to show off progress.
Why WOULDN'T he leave? He's literally the full reason behind the game even existing. These other jokers have literally nothing, yet they're getting paid for his work. If they actually had a product worth selling without him, then S-Purple leaving would have had ZERO impact on the game or Patreon.
This whole fiasco is just your average lazy programmer throwing a tantrum that his source of income finally left, and that he'll finally have to actually work after three years of getting a free ride.
actually good high quality brothel simulator on steam when
>>344969981
this shilling
fuck off scwhig
>>344969981
>It also throws the "But S-Purple put too much on the programmer's plate!" argument right the fuck out.
No one argued that at all. Schwig is just laying the work on himself on his own accord. He has himself to blame for making the game take as long as it did.
H-Bomb's mistake was a shitty contract because he assumed Schwig wouldn't pull a suicidal move like this.
>>344969936
project managers don't make a difference if your egotistical artist is in charge of the project and won't listen to anyone
Honestly if you can't finish a project because you're bored of it what makes people think you're not going to run off and do the same thing on the next one? Doesn't matter who did what, that alone looks bad for S-Purple even if everyone was a fucking idiot. Just one unfinished project after another.
Simple: Don't give any of them money, ever. Everyone involved looks bad right now.
>>344969948
>>344969978
If they're piss easy and bland then why bother making it an RPG in the first place?
>>344965538
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
So you're one of the idiots funding this scam?
>>344969963
ay, i got to play a free debug version of the game and make some mediocre porn of the final boss,
>>344969910
What kinda drags H-Games down is that the people developing them basically think they should also be trying to design games and not thinly veiled CG/Animation galleries.
Crossing Knightmare had a problem with that too. Eventually they just added a patch to unlock all the CG (which would normally have to be unlocked after doing the fucking Greatest 90s RPG Bullshit several times for the endings, especially since you had to toggle what type of bad ending you want) and the expansion pack just let you unlock it all from the start and also had an alternative CG/Scene viewer just in case you didn't want to be assed to even pretend you'd play the game.
>>344970087
Yeah and back then he wouldn't have done so much that booting his ass and finding someone else wouldn't have killed the project.
>>344969981
Considering he's getting 190,000k, he's been compensated very well for his work already.
>>344969981
Should have hired a project manager to make Schwig stop adding/redoing stuff.
>>344969981
oh fuck off shwig, we know its you, nobody else has any reason to slam h-box this hard with such poor logic, and defend himself so thoroughly with the same arguments ad-nausiem.
>multiple 500+ post threads about an unfinished furry porn game
Why?
>>344970263
why the fuck do you need to hire a "Project manager" to tell him to do something dumb when everyone else on the team was apparently saying it to him
>>344970317
Beats talking about pokemon go.
>>344970119
lmao it looks even worse than breeding season
>>344970083
Well, now that the problem worker is gone, Breeding Season should succeed, right? They raised almost half a fucking million dollars, and only had to give $190k of that to S-Purple. That's still a shitload of money to hire as many artists and managers as they want, especially since it's not like the money train was going to stop rolling any time soon. S-Purple can't even stop them with his retarded management! They should be breathing a sigh of relief. They lost their art assets, but they should be able to recover considering they're one of the most-funded projects on Patreon.
But, oh wait, they didn't hire a new artist. Or a manager. Instead, they just straight-up shut down the whole Patreon! I wonder why. Didn't they have a game they've been developing for three years? They should be able to market that, shouldn't they?
>>344970317
Because /v/ is nearly all furfags.
>>344970361
Is that Olgierd's outfit from Witcher 3?
>paying for porn
>paying for porn, hell, anything when you have no way to make sure you will get it
lol
Serves everyone right. The internet is not understood properly by any laws, and if it ever gets wrangled to be fit to laws it will stop being free/fun/worth anything. And there are faggots who live off of donations like that, without a real job. Best part is you can get 90% of all porn for free anyway, even breeding season itself.
Do you remember when things like this were made for free, in someone's spare time after work? Just for fun, the experience? I remember.
>>344970317
Because porn and drama are two things /v/ love to talk about.
>>344970368
Because the project was co-owned by two guys and the contract was filled out as such.
>>344970361
I wonder how long until he bails from that too. Maybe when he realizes its not making as much money as BS with Patreon.
>>344969981
Do you know schwig? That your redesign was the only thing that pulled back the game for that amount of time?
Everyone was done with their part of the work until you decided to jew out more shekels off of horny furries.
Can we make sure S-Purple's life is ruined for this, k thx
It was perfect on paper
>tfw back to back to imagining my furry futa fantasies instead with CoC
>>344964590
>if you don't address how you feel to team mates problems start to arise
>b-but muh feels ;_;
yeah, nah
>>344970349
Schwig wasted time and money redoing the assets twice, which added more workload onto the animators and throwing the previous stuff away, when it was never necessary.
A PM would see this and stop him, as it's a colossal waste of resources and time.
Schwig was very against hiring a PM.
I remember having a quick go on Breeding Season a while back. The game was shit, the art was worse still, and the only thing I've heard since has been about various delays and fuckups. I was pretty stunned when I saw people gave them half a million for this shit, and not remotely surprised to see it collapse.
>>344970238
>>344970443
>everyone's calling me schwig
My original post is here >>344964516
Feel free to follow the original reply chain. Last thread was a lot better, since a lot of people managed to actually engage me and help me understand the situation.
>>344970361
fuck this, first thing i thought was how the proportions for so much is absolutely atrocious
>>344970368
and he took half the Treasury with him, oh and it will take another year to make new art assets at least
oh and S-purple ran off/kidnapped half the staff
kinda hard to keep going after that.
>>344970368
because all of the workers pulled out of Breeding Season dumbass.
spurple took ALL his assets
vanilly and fleet left two weeks notice.
its only hbomb
and if you played breeding season 4.4, it has less art than that, as this is a visual porn game, get it through your thick skull,if there is no fancy images that furfags can latch on to, it is DOA
>>344970494
Fuck CoC. The game throws fetishes at you so randomly. The design is so stupid for something with so many odd fetishes in there. There are a bunch of items that will randomly either a) give you a stat boost or b) graft on some fetish part to your body and it's random. RANDOM. Why would you do that?
>>344969981
>So unless the programming/writing/design team is SO INCOMPETENT that it took them multiple months/years to put together a point-and-click spreadsheet simulator, they've been sitting on their hands for months if not years now.
One of the members of the team was an animator who ended up being forced to do Shwig's job, was responsible for 1500+ animations (which were all reliant on Shwig's art), and who quit because she was so overworked. All of her hard work is now wasted, because she was animated Shwig's assets.
The other main person was, as you've conveniently ignored REPEATEDLY, pulling quadruple duty as the PROGRAMMER/WRITER/DESIGNER/MANAGER, which is AGAIN because Shwig didn't want to hire a competent manager, and they HAD to listen to him because he basically owned half of the money they'd raised thusfar.
And even if he hadn't been ANY of those things, he owned the game, and was therefore entitled to any amount of money, because it was HIS FUCKING MONEY. And he WAS doing a lot of work, trying to manage a team of people working on different continents at different times on a project making tens of thousands of dollars per month, coding, writing, and designing.
>your average lazy programmer
You're not a real programmer. You'd never call any programmer lazy if you were. Debugging alone is a time-consuming and difficult task, and he WAS putting out bugfixes consistently.
>>344970558
the rest of the team could already see that but they couldn't stop him because he was the co-owner of the project
>>344970494
Man, Im just waiting for Fenoxo to fall on the same shit and rant about it on his blog. But on that case i'd prolly be on the others' side, Fenoxo is a pretty delicate cuntboi. He'd prolly fuck over everyone just because he had his period those days.
>everyone is mad
>all parties are retarded
Fucking beautiful
>>344963061
So who gets the money?
>>344968961
agreed
I played the version years ago and it's basically the exact same thing
So are you fags going to post like a webm or something resembling an actual game? Did this get so much funding just with jpg images or what?
>>344969981
It's nice to see someone finally fucking sane in all this. The replies you get also highlight just how fucking braindead retarded so many people on /v/ really are. These people don't understand that you can make a game start to finish with NO finished assets. That to not have anything resembling a feature complete alpha build after THREE YEARS is nothing short of embarrassing, and there is no possible excuse. It doesn't even matter what Schwig did or didn't do at this point, because Hbomb shat the bed in numerous places throughout development. Only the greediest, laziest jew would ever want to coast along, working on something for year after year with no foreseeable release in sight. It's why many developers have left Valve, they want to actually release games, not just bullshit about development.
Hbomb made this bed, he made it a mess, and he can lie in it too. I am completely unwilling to believe that feature creep and throwing out art stalled feature completion for this long all because of Schwig, there's just no way it's all his fault, or even two thirds his fault.
>>344968456
Well right now the evidence is leaning towards Shwig being the greedy thieving jew and HBomb just being retardedly incompetent
He released the skype convos, he was right about the shwig starting a new patreon game, and he "offered" all of the assets for free. So far Shwig hasn't denied anything
The western H game scene is a fucking joke
>>344970796
Just find a demo, dude.
>>344970813
>>344969981
You both type the exact same way, nice try shill.
>>344970824
Earth's entire H-game scene is a joke.
Aww and they were going to add loli and /ss/ content too... this team and everyone on it is dead to me
>>344970634
>shitting on CoC
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
did you not even play it since 2011, what the fuck is your problem you little whiny cunt
>>344970683
jesus christ i just went to the forums for the sake of an argument on /d/ and shit is BEAUTIFUL
they literally shut down the CoC forum
fenoxo is threatening people on the forum not to mess with savin's content in CoC
the thread has 100% been taken over by fagsluts and ESLfags, the good posters like kaizer are GONE
>>344970649
It's obvious he's assblasted artfag
>>344963735
Never trust assholes from /tg/ more like it.
>>344970813
>These people don't understand that you can make a game start to finish with NO finished assets
games require alot of iteration unless you're making something very formulatic which you've made several times before so not really
>>344970997
Never trust patreon
>>344970914
wat?
>>344963061
>>344968961
I just like to remind everyone too that all these games were made by just 1 guy at one ponit:
Minecraft
Cave Story
Papers Please
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Dust: An Elysian Tale
Spelunky
Touhou
Gunpoint
Darwinia
Undertale
Tetris
AND THEY ALL FUCKING DID IT WITHOUT A KICKSTARTER. SO IF THESE FUCKING FAGGOTS CAN'T PRODUCE A PLAYABLE ALPHA EVEN IF THE ARTIST IS GOING AROUND SMASHING KEYBOARDS AT THE OFFICE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY RETARDED. Every single one of those faggots is incompetent and just pocketed the money, but of course the most retarded ones are the ones who gave them money.
>>344971035
this should be patreon's tag line
>>344970813
>It doesn't even matter what Schwig did or didn't do at this point, because Hbomb shat the bed in numerous places throughout development. Only the greediest, laziest jew would ever want to coast along, working on something for year after year with no foreseeable release in sight
Yeah, great, only Shwig was the one who demanded minor artstyle changes which forced them to dump months' worth of work SEVERAL TIMES. It's entirely his fault that the game took so long to make.
Compounding that is his refusal to allow a project manager to be hired, so the main developer had to act like the manager, which is ridiculously time consuming.
Also, the game is fucking porn, reliant on one guy's art. Would YOU put out a feature-complete alpha? Because a porn game is not feature-complete without the FUCKING PORN.
>>344971074
Earth
someone needs to make an h-game dev variation of this.
s-purple/breeding season shitshow on the left
seismic on the right posting pictures of crabs and being moe on the right
>>344971046
Placeholders. Use them.
>>344971096
>Undertale
>without a Kickstarter
Bro...
>>344970993
He needs to defend Savin if he ever hopes to get some of that ugly tranny ass. Prolly the CoCmod is even more popular than his space game at this point, thats why he erased the forum.
>s-purple pushes out the artwork at a very good pace
>animations and additions are backlogged because animators can't keep up or they don't have enough
>literally still no sound/music people on the team
I only checked in once a month to see the new animations they DID add, and when this month's update came with NO animations I knew that was the end
>>344971096
Didn't undermeme use a kickstarter? And what about that girl who made temmie, isn't she like a co-creator?
>>344971096
Didn't Undertale get a kickstarter and it still came out looking like ass with 70k schmeckles?
>>344970824
Everything what is on Patreon is. But yeah you are right. It includes liek 95% of the western side.
>>344971096
look at this 8 bit bait
>>344971140
>I just won the grand prize at IGF tonight.
Is that supposed to mean anything to someone lmao?
>>344971159
placeholders can only take you so far
to be fair this is probably a simple game that a veteran programmer could do completely with placeholders but I don't think this guy has reached that level of experience
>>344971035
What is Congress and politics? :^)
>>344971129
See >>344969374
>Would YOU put out a feature-complete alpha?
Yes? If I'm being paid $9000 a month to put out a product, I have no reason not to inform my Patrons on the status of the game and what features have been planned and completed.
Fuck, if anything, putting out a finished game missing all the art assets would only help when you have a problem artist. You can objectively prove that they're singlehandedly holding back the game.
