So basically, companies like NISA justify all their censorship bullshit on "muh M rating" and "muh ESRB costs".
If a game doesn't get an M the first time around, they would have to censor it more then have it re-evaluated, right? And that costs money, so to avoid this they censor it out the ass first try, just to be on the safe side, even though there's a small chance that the game could very well have gotten an M if left untouched, but they just didn't wanna risk it.
Why don't they just crowd-fund their ESRB costs then? There's so many weebs with disposable income out there I'm sure they can find enough to cover 1 or 2 ESRB fees. Let them fund you so you can actually try for once to submit a fully uncensored version with no worries, and hey, if it doesn't work, at least you actually tried so your user base can't call you on being a fucking coward, right?
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/07/11/valkyrie-drive-bhikkhuni-publisher-explains-why-itll-be-released-uncensored-will-have-japanese-voices/
>>344937346
yea there fuckers they even said that if they had sk and stuff they wouldn't censor it yeah my ass, just hope that play asia can get this going https://twitter.com/playasia/status/747991173059358720
Here you go senpai
>>344937346
1. They are owned by the Japanese developer NIS.
2. Their operation is largely independent of NIS's wishes. They were managing European distribution for several companies.
It's pretty obvious that the people working there have no interest in anime or hentai. Which eventually cost them when several companies started working with IFI, Koei Tecmo, and PQube.
Crowd funding is still a HUGE liability. Most of the success stories come from people living on foreign soil. A registered US based business, that profits off sales and collects money, would be under investigation with the IRS.
Pretty sure they just use all that as an excuse to maintain an over-inflated workforce.
It's not really about censorship. It's all about getting a paycheck.
>>344937346
>implying its just ESRB as their excuse
No anon. I'm sorry to say it gets much worse than that. You know how Criminal Girls is getting ported to PC, and how on PC you don't have to have your games rated to release them?
http://nisamerica.com/blog/CG2
>How about Criminal Girls: Invite Only uncensored on PC?
>Probably not happening...t also runs the risk of receiving an AO rating.
>Any chance of an uncensored, unrated version being released...on PC?
>It is also against our company policy to release “unrated” games
NISA is shit but they keep putting out games I want to play unfortunately
>>344939374
Buy used or pirate
You know how you can say fuck you to NISA? Support other companies releasing lewd games in the West. Buy Senran Kagura games from XSeed. Buy Gal Gun and Valkyrie Drive from PQube. Buy Monster Monpiece PC from Idea Factory International.
Hell, you can support more lewd games coming to the US by requesting these companies bring games over to the West. Not English Asia versions mind you; actual uncensored Western releases. IFI in particular actively supports getting game localization requests as they state in their FAQ (http://ideafintl.com/faq.php). Give them an email if there's a game you want brought over (especially a Compile Heart game, since they specialize in that). It helps give you a precedent to point to as a fuck you to NISA. The more lewd games that get released uncensored in the West, the less NISA's word has any ground.
>>344940032
Isn't monster monpiece pretty stupidly censored though?
>>344940032
Is there even a date for Monpiece ? It's been forever and it doesn't even have a steam page yet.
>>344940390
IFi is putting it on steam with the censored content restored. They won't uncensored the vita version though.
>>344940032
But Senran Kagura is censored and everybody at Xseed is pro censorship but Tom. He's literally the only one who said they shouldn't censor SK, which they did anyways of course, but not as heavily.
>>344940390
>Isn't monster monpiece pretty stupidly censored though?
Vita version is. It was their first and last censorship mistake ever.
They announced they will port it to PC uncensored, tho no release date yet.
>>344940531
>But Senran Kagura is censored
>>344940674
>removing content for fear of backlash isn't censorship
inb4 character bios don't contain content.
>>344940531
I don't know why anyone listens to him seriously.
Brags about their stance of keeping content uncensored, then turns around and says their company doesn't want to be known for lewd games. When their parent company keeps making lewd games.
because it's a scapegoat. things like senran kagura and valkyrie drive prove they're pulling shit out of their ass to justify their garbage since they get localized without any real issues.
And I know they say "b-b-but you have to judge every game individually" and while that's fair you just flat out aren't getting an AO for anything related to sexual acts that was allowed to be CERO rated in the first place. They're far more strict on shit like that.
>people think ESRB is strict
>They have never dealt with EU and PEGI rating board
>They have never dealt with The Australian raring board
ESRB is relaxed as fuck by comparison. EU version of pokemon has no gambling? Blame PEGI for being overly sensitive
Likewise PEGI may not need to be followed by the UK anymore so they may need to have a UK ratings board as well.
Trust me, ESRB and censorship is bullshit, but you'd be surprised what isn't even allowed in Japan with CERO
>>344940731
He also said he'd quit if they censored a game but didn't quit when they censored SK. Xseed translations are pretty bad for the most part too. It's a shame they're the best publisher around besides maybe SE. Fortunately importing is just so easy these days there's no real reason not to do it.
>>344940725
Only shitposters and trolls give a fuck about the age posted on some website.
>>344941056
nothing in game was censored, now fuck off you troll
>>344941056
>this translation is inaccurate, just look at these moonrunes
>>344941176
So only trolls don't accept any form of censorship? I think you meant to say "EOPs"
>>344940390
IFI stated that the PC version will not have the censorship, and that they won't censor games anymore. The Vita version had censorship, however.
http://nichegamer.com/2015/12/03/monster-monpiece-is-coming-to-steam-with-all-cards/
>>344940507
>it doesn't even have a steam page yet
It does. Sort of.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/415300/
This page used to have Monster Monpiece's name on it, and its what's linked to from Steamdb. Not sure what's going on.
>>344940531
Not entirely accurate; XSeed has some people who consider censorship and others who don't, with Tom being the most vocal against it. As for Senran Kagura, I wouldn't consider the lack of mention of ages censorship, but if you consider it that, I won't argue with you, as its a fair stance.
>>344941056
>XSeed translations
>bad
The worst I've seen from them is Corpse Party, what with the butter up pooper thing. I'm not too familiar with their work on Trails, but they did a splendid job on Pandora's Tower and Solatorobo at the very least.
>>344941176
Only shills and SJWs defend censorship of any kind.
>>344941302
Only shitposters and trolls would bitch and whine about a age posted on the website while the game itself has nothing censored in it. Shitposters like you are the worst.
>>344941439
Yeah, just like only SJWs would defend censorship because it's not "real" censorship. Fact is, you don't have any other choice than to accept it or not play the game.
>>344941348
That translation in that picture was so bad, Xseed publicly apologized about it on twitter and redid the entire script for the PC release. That picture's translation is the literal opposite of what is being said and it changes the entire personality of one of the main antagonists.
>>344941410
Only thing they did was not post character's ages on the website. That's all they did. And you call that censorship to get other people to believe it's something much more than that. That is your entire bullshit game you're playing here.
Nothing in-game was censored, now fuck off.
The bible is censored and it has a poor localization. I only read the original hebrew version because it has the developers original version.
>>344941789
The ages were removed in game. How is removing content from character bios for fear of backlash not censorship?
>>344941882
The bible has been censored repeatedly with the old copies being gathered and burned for millennia. Not the best example. Funny they actually force the Koran to stay in Hebrew for that exact reason and to not mince God's words.
>>344941882
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make; ideally, if you want the most accurate version of the Bible, that would be the way to do it. To read the original Hebrew version, especially since it has indeed been through human hands numerous times over time.
>>344940510
>>344940572
Oh that's news to me. Maybe I'll get it if that's the case.
Also, the whole idea of money being an issue seems pretty unlikely to me. What do you think costs more, submitting a game for a rating or paying for an extra localizer/redrawer/programmer?
I don't know how these companies like nisa get funding for starting a project but I would imagine they go to the parent company and say they need X amount of dollars to do it. After seeing they can get more money for all those "localizing costs" there's no doubt they would include it in the next game as well. They probably try to milk them for all they're worth too. It's not like the parent company cares because they end up making profit in the end for doing nothing. It would be interesting to see how many people work for a company that heavily censors games like nisa and compare it to pqube which doesn't.
Might even be interesting to see if there's any overlap in staff between these companies too.
>>344941789
In-game bios were censored you fucktard. Fuck you, no "localization" will ever get my money. Translation or fuck off.
>>344942148
Removing content from the getgo means they don't need to pay to translate it.
>>344941885
For you, it's censored. For everyone else, this is uncensored. Stay mad while the rest of us enjoys the fuck out of this.
Only autistic shitposters considers it censorship.
>>344942405
Why would I be mad when I play them a year or more before you do?
>>344942325
Well they need to pay someone to remove it don't they?
>>344937346
>Why don't they just crowd-fund their ESRB costs then?
This is fucking ridiculous. Why don't we have fans/customer translate the game themselves then? Or just do everything for them while they sit back and collect cash?
>>344942405
>us
Speak for yourself faggot.
>>344942519
>Why would I be mad when I play them a year or more before you do?
Why would you be bitching about censorship when you play the uncensored japanese version?
Post your copy with today's timestamp.
>>344942530
They'd have to pay for it to be translated and for the translated text to be put into the game, test the content and then deal with PEGI and other bullshit. They only use one build for every country in the West. EOPs are going to either learn to live with censorship or import.
>>344942671
Why would I care about your opinion? Fact is content has been removed and you are ok with it. You're a fucking shill.
>>344942791
Fact is, only retarded fucks with autism make a mountain out of someone's age when nobody else gives a fuck as long as all the fanservice and lewd shit is uncensored.
>>344943062
Fuck off shill.
>>344943062
SJWs complain about the same minute shit. You're no different than they are. Either it's censored or it's uncensored. Unfortunately for you, nearly everything from Japan is censored in some way. You've clearly learned to accept censorship, that's fine. I'll just be enjoying uncensored vidya over here.
>>344943305
A translation is inherently censorship of the original material. If Japanese is not your first language, you like watching your wife get fucked by other men.
>>344943113
> Fuck off shill.
I wished I get paid to tell shitposters like you to fuck off.
>>344942791
Well yeah but they pay for that anyway.
I'm saying they pay an extra cost to censor the game so it doesn't make a lot of sense that money is the main issue behind risking a rating getting rejected.
>>344943391
Fuck off shill.
>>344943424
The difference is who gets the money. You dig?
>>344943462
>>344943113
People disagreeing with you are not shills anon.
>>344943391
Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are a shitposter anon.
>>344943386
Translation and localization are two different things anonkun. Not to mention many games have both the JP and English text on them from some companies like NIS and Kadokawa.
>>344943424
It clearly makes financial sense because they keep doing it and IF just said they'd stop localizing games that might need censorship all together.
>>344943462
I rather keep posting pictures since it pisses you off so much. Stay mad.
>>344943639
People anally devastated about other people not wanting to pay for censored product are shills in my book.
>>344943386
I don't understand how anyone can find something trivial like the age thing worse than the shitty translations xseed gives the game. It's pretty obvious how old they are without anything to tell you in game but you have to deal with the translation the whole time playing.
Some people are just dumb I guess.
>>344943727
Fuck off shill.
>>344943985
>>344943910
I mentioned shitty Xseed translations in the same post. I however, have not played the English release of SK so I cannot comment on that game in particular. Xseed translation quality is all over the place.
>>344941348
It's pretty much what the line said in Japanese, though. People like to pretend they rewrote those weird as fuck scenes from Corpse Party but she literally asked for butt ointment and said she would go apply a bunch.
>>344944032
>shilling censored shit for free
Fuck off shill.
>>344937346
>american mock religion and their backward restriction on sexy stuff
>end up did the same thing by censoring sexy stuff
i guess american has moral faggotory crisis, they want to be moraly superior than any other nation.
also incest mom is highest search tag in american
>>344943608
Yeah I know. I already said that.
>>344943658
It would probably be clearer if I knew how much it cost to submit a game for a rating.
>>344943727
Dat cute booty.
>>344944419
>>344944150
It gets the point across but all the pointless profanity they add in makes playing the game very jarring at times. There's also lots of instances of characters saying a short or one word sentance and a bunch of text would come up. Makes me question the accuracy of the other games they did without JP voices in it.
I mean it still gets the point across but it's way more detrimental to the experience than not having constant knowledge of everyone's age.
>>344937346
Why don't you stop buying their fucking game then? You want to play it, yes. Learn Japanese and import it. Don't give a single dime to people who censor, and let the market drive them out of business.
>>344946572
>implying I buy NISA trash
No reason to now that different publishers took all the IPs they used to localize and they're stuck with censoring kusoge in a vain attempt to appeal to a wider audience
>>344941056
>I myself don't dislike awkward men like you.
I can see how they might make that mistake though.
>>344948406
I can too, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. It literally changes the entire character's personality for 3 god damn games.
>>344946572
I have, actually.
Dangan Ronpa has been taken from them so I will never have to support their asses.
>>344949095
We don't know that for sure. SC scrubbed their name out of the PC versions, but they still used NISA's localization.
>>344949378
Because they commissioned it and have legal rights to it. There's no reason to scrub their names if they intended on using them for the future.
>>344949549
>There's no reason to scrub their names if they intended on using them for the future
According to what logic?
>>344949697
The logic that it takes a lot more effort to remove references to them than it does to just leave it. If they were still on good terms, why bother?
>>344941439
>see this part that was literally censored
>there's no censorship
Kek pro-censorship shills
>>344950170
I think you fail to understand the business climate. There are many reasons why NISA's logo may have been removed, but the most likely reason is that it's simply because NISA did not publish the Steam version, so SC simply did not include their logo and only mentioned them in the credits. SC does not translate games, but since they had a translation of DR 1 and 2 sitting around by a different company, they simply published it themselves on PC. They could easily just use NISA for the upcoming game again.
