Dark Souls 2:
>Hey you know, I feel like doing some PvP. I'll hit the arenas.
>Hey I beed a break from the arenas, I'll hit the fight club at Iron Keep bridge.
>Hey I'm bored of the fight clubs, I'll do some red invades.
>Well red invades aren't very fun, I keep invading noobs just trying to play through the PvE. I can see why people like it but it's not my thing.
>I'll go stand in Belfy Luna and invade and get invaded and earn Ore while I'm at it.
>Time to take a break from Luna, let's go to Sol.
>Ahhh, I'm tired of this too, let's blue invade all over the world.
>This is fun, I get to PvP all over the game, and I get to punish people for invading noobs.
>look at bonfire map, see several outline indicators displaying which areas have the most players in them atm
>Go stand in those areas with delicate string and dried finger active
>Periodically get invaded in between blue invades
>Fighting all over the game, wherever I want, punishing sinners, drawing sinners to my world, whenever I get bored of one style of PvP I go back to doing arenas, fight clubs, bell tower, etc.
Dark Souls 3:
>Hey you know, I feel like doing some PvP
>wow they really limited the PvP this time around...
>I guess I'll fight club?
>well that got boring fast, I guess I'll blue invade and punish sinners?
>oh, that doesn't exist anymore, I guess I'll dried finger and wait to be invaded?
>oh, I can't because I've already cleared the game and you can't be invaded after you've cleared the area
>Well I guess I'll red invade... oh wow it's a 1v4 and each enemy rolls behind his three teammates and chugs the moment I land one blow on him episode...
yup, you figured it out
dark souls 3 is an irredeemable piece of trash, 2 was much better
>>344896106
Kinda hard to believe given that /v/ used to treat DaS2 as if it were the worst thing to ever exist. Granted /v/ also shits on DaS1 a lot now too due to BB.
>>344896332
who cares what /v/ and their shit taste think, ive always said dark souls 2 wasnt as bad as people made it out to be
Dark souls 3 on PC is 8000 players on average
Dark souls 2 SoTFS is 2000
and DS2 is dead on console so I don't see how it failed
also
>falling for the 120 memestream meta
you deserve to be bored 80 is the true meta since you can invade all the high level areas and get Cops and dork invasions still
Only twitch redditors play at 120
>>344896664
why are you defending a bad game?
>>344896664
meanwhile dark souls 1 and bloodborne both out populate casul souls 3 : no weapon variety and shit boss fights edition
I really hate this ds2 is better than ds3 meme and also
>playing dark souls for the pvp
>>344897458
dark souls 2 is bad is the meme
dark souls 3 does nothing right
dark souls 2 did something right, pvp is better than the nothing that is dark souls 3
>>344895834
The only thing DaS2 has going for it is the PvP. Literally everything else is inferior to the other games in the series. They even fucked up the movement for fucks sake.
>>344896664
I'm level 81, and my online experience is the exact same as OP's.
>>344895834
DaS3 is literally 2 steps forward, 3 steps back
>weapon arts
>weapon memory stopping twinking
>hilariously unbalanced invasions
>no poise
>2 hit stunlock memes, retarded hyper armor, ridiculous balance all around
>Dark Souls PvP
>Measure of success or failure
>MFW
Literally just go play fighting games. Souls games are PvE RPGs with a little bit of clever coop and pvp sprinkled in, DS2 PvE was complete shit, and DS3 isn't, therefore DS3 is the more successful game. If you think these games have ever been designed around PvP, you're an actual retard.
TL;DR: PvPbabbies stop pretending like your opinions matter pls
>>344895834
>mfw ppl play the souls for pvp
>>344896923
>supplant Dark Souls 3 backstabs and weapons into Dark Souls 1
>balance it a tiny bit
>release it as a remaster electric boogaloo for 10 bucks, free if you already own Dark Souls 1
>make a killing off of the fighting game community that flocks to it
don't know why they haven't done this already
they hit a gold mine with dark souls 1 then immediately went away from it
Why is PvP in these games so shit?
>>344897458
>>344897982
>>344898016
>>344898206
DaS1 and 2 PVP is some of the most fun I've had in PVP. Better experiences than your generic fighting games.How likely is it that most of this newfound disdain for Souls PVP came from BBfags who divert from the fact that it has the worst PVP aside from DaS3?Pretty likely.
>>344897982
>>344898016
The games don't have thousands of hours of replayability from the PvE alone, barring niche things like gimmick runs or speedruns
>>344898206
PvP was good in Dark Souls 1, just kinda dampened by the instant backstabs and domination of poise/dex weapons
Dark Souls 3 had all the opportunities to not be bad, but it failed to copy the good, and intriduced even more problems
>>344896664
Sorry to break it to you anon, but SoTFS has nearly 4k players. Dark Souls 3 is losing players daily, SoTFS is staying strong and even seeing slight gains.
Dark Souls 3 BTFO
>>344898206
Because they're not PvP games and are not balanced or designed for PvP.
>>344898556
do you have one for DaS1?
>>344898562
But they are. Dark Souls 2 is well balanced. I never see the same build 2 fights in a row. I'm running into every weapon type, miracle users, dark uses, pyromancy users, magic users, mixed users, etc.
>>344898671
>>344898497
They're fun to you because you're a shit player and Souls PvP has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with who can meta-whore and exploit the game balance and lag the most.
Sorry you get your shit pushed in in "generic" fighting games, but they're endlessly deeper and more replayable than half-baked ARPG PvP.
>>344898671
Made one just for you anon.
>>344895834
Oh look, it's THIS pasta again.
>>344898879
Ehh if you get on Ds2 I'll stomp you with just about any weapon in the game. You can try using the most broken thing you can think of and I'll still likely destroy you.
>>344899158
Every single day. All the Dark Souls 3 fags who spammed Dark Souls 2 is shit need to see this every day for the next few months. It's their punishment for shitting on 2 for months when 3 was released.
>>344898879
>average fighter
>deep
>more replayable
>>344899196
Sorry, I don't waste my time playing shit games in ways the devs don't even intend.
Try Smash, that sounds like it'd be right up your alley.
>>344899196
DS2 is arguably the worst pvp, right next to BB
>>344895834
>trying any of this when soul memory exists
L O L
>>344899409
>you're probably right
>but i refuse
>>344899409
>The devs didn't intend for players to PvP
>The devs implemented pvp so that people could pvp
and thus it was confirmed, people who think Dark Souls 3 is good are legitimately retarded.
>>344897982
Literally this. If you play a Souls game for the PVP you're a fucking retard.
>>344899608
You're objectively wrong.
>>344896923
>bloodborne
nice delusion. Average 1500 players online
The worst thing about the game is that it's linear as shit, that's what killed the game for me
Even DS2 is more enjoyable to replay with different builds since you're not railroaded into the same areas
>>344899608
>>344900059
>B-B-BUT BLOODBORNE IS THE PINNACLE OF VIDEO GAMES AND THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IN HUMAN HISTORY! IT IS LITERALLY PERFECT!
>>344900037
Oh yes, I very much enjoyed "buff your ultra weapon then spin in circles until someone presses a button" Souls
There's 0 advanced tech, it's a bore compared to Dark Souls 1
also see >>344898818, I'm not alone :^)
>>344900251
that first guy you replied to is calling bloodborne shit, the second guy is commenting on how low the playerbase is
>>344899821
>Unironically saying "1v1 me fgt"
>On a fucking anonymous image board
You need to step back and evaluate where your life went so horribly wrong.
>>344898556
>not taking into account console base
for the record PC is the worst platform to play any souls game so enjoy playing your garbage
If Soul Memory didnt Dark Souls 2 would the game be better?
>>344900623
>mods
>better performance
>better online
>don't have to pay a subscription fee
>faster patches
nice one
>>344900742
By a decent amount, yes
>there are people in this board who play DS solely for PVP and rank the games by it
This retardation has gone too far. The multiplayer is a gimmick, it's not the main focus of these games.
Please kill yourself if you're a pvpfag and double kill yourself if you actually think DS2 is the best in the series because "it has the best pvp"
>>344900772
What else about Ds2 that makes it so bad?
>>344900814
>people aren't allowed to like an aspect of the game because my favorite is shit in that department
>>344900257
You're confirmed for being bad at the game after that statement. Which again confirms, your opinion is wrong.
>>344899703
Yes, let reddit and /dsg/ dictate artificial level limits for your character and break pvp.
Ds2 have half the players and auto summon convenants still summon me 10x times more often than ds3.
>>344900814
It's fucking cringeworthy but every game has idiots like this who absolutely go crazy about pvp in games not designed around it. Reminds me of the idiots who still seriously play arenas and RBGs in WoW.
>>344900814
>i don't have an argument so let me reply to no one and act like i won h-ha
If the pvp isn't for you, don't play it. You're the one crying about a well-known feature in this series, as it has been since Demon's Souls
>>344900982
>terrible, awful, irredeemable balance, persisting throughout multiple patches
>hilariously poorly implented items(Gower's/Jester's)
>soul memory making pvp a chore
>removing every tech from Dark Souls 1 that made the games more engaging(toggle, poise, backstab escapes/counters)
>>344901080
see above
>>344900982
OP here. The game has areas that reuse textures too much and some of the areas are just too easy (my opinion). Soul memory was also a stupid idea, but having a character that is unlocked and leveling infinitely and having a character that is locked with agape ring, I get matches on both characters. The game also shows you what areas currently have more players in them when you rest at a bonfire so finding matches is always pretty easy.
>pcucks continue to claim the game is good
>instead of playing it they decide to shitpost here
great game faggots just admit you have nothing better to do but shitpost on a Malaysian origami forum
>>344901049
If you like to play PVP seriously then I don't know what you're doing trying to play any of these games since it's horrible in all of them
If you like to play silly PVP then I don't know what you're complaining about since there's still plenty of opportunities for hilarious meme videos on youtube
>>344895834
I love how they shat up DaS3's PvP in an attempt to stop people like me. That is to say, dick bags that invade low levels in the very first area of the game.
The funny thing is, it is still incredibly easy to invade low levels and push their shit in, even 3v1.
>mfw I am directly griefing new players and indirectly griefing pvpfags thanks to Japan's non-existent understanding of online multiplayer
>>344899196
>TALK SHIT ABOUT MY SHITTY GAME? I'LL 1V1 YOU FUCKING ASSHOUL
>>344901319
I thought poise was in Souls 2?
>>344901319
Again, you are confirmed for being bad. I can pvp with any weapon and win the majority of my fights. It comes down to player skill. Balance is fine.
>>344896923
>A game that released a few months ago has more players than a game from 2 years ago
No fucking shit
I feel like Dark Souls III lacks identity. The areas all feel so bland and lack atmosphere.
>>344897639
NO DARK SOULS IS OBJECTIVELY WORSE IT HAS LESS LORE AND PV P
>>344901319
>You're the one crying about a well-known feature in this series, as it has been since Demon's Souls
Remind me how well balanced Demon's Souls PVP was again.
It's a gimmick. You're a complete retard if you actually treat it seriously.
>>344901496
It's an easy way to demonstrate why their lack of skill makes their opinion wrong. You can't say the balance is bad when any weapon is viable and all spell disciplines are viable. There's nothing that you can use that is so broken nothing else can beat it.
>>344901523
>I thought poise was in Souls 2?
It is.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/poise
>>344901523
Stone Ring deleted it from existence, it took something like 50+ poise to stop a single longsword hit besides, which was almost unattainable without ultra heavy armor, again negated by Stone Ring
>>344901524
Nice argument you got there
>>344901660
Invasions weren't balanced from the geto-go, but they are a big feature of the series
>>344901748
Giant's ring can counter stone ring. My argument is that because you lack skill you perceive things to be unbalanced when they are in fact well balanced. There's no other explanation for you to perceive something so wrongly other than you lack the skill to perceive it correctly. It's fine if you aren't good, but you can't pass off your lack of skill as a reason a game doesn't appear balanced to you.
>>344901319
>>terrible, awful, irredeemable balance, persisting throughout multiple patches
Are you fucking serious? Ds2 has the best balance of the series, way above Havel&Greatshields Soul 1 and Dark Sword 3.
>>344901958
That doesn't address my argument, let alone the hilariously poor anecdotes you're slinging, that's an average DS2 fan for you
>>344902054
Greatshields have never been relevant in Souls 1, and Souls 3 has been largely undone by stupid shit like the Dark Sword existing
>>344901748
>it took something like 50+ poise to stop a single longsword hit besides, which was almost unattainable without ultra heavy armor
That was kind of the point. A giant fuckoff tank character with low mobility could reliably trade a hit with a lighter build. It wasn't meant to be for everyone (like it was in DaS1 where every shitter had 76 poise and could still do cartwheels with DWGR), you had to commit to being a poise tank.
>>344902308
It addresses and dismisses your argument. If you were better at the game you would perceive the balance correctly. It really can't get any more simple than that.
Get good.
>>344902054
DS1 is the most balanced Souls game for PvP, and it's nothing but flipping and backstab fishing. Let that sink in.
>>344895834
2 was designed like an mmo, 3 was designed like an adventure game
Also souls pvp is awful, you should be ashamed
>>344902409
An item being necessary to counter another item, which in turn counters an entire game mechanic is the pinnacle of poor balance. Keep it up with the "ur bad lol" arguments
>>344902357
And as a result, everyone was Smelterhavel, congrats
Myself and many others tried very hard to make it work, but it just didn't, and the playerbase reflects that, as it has for a long time now
Just finished DS1 a few months ago. Been putting off buying DS2 cause of how universally shit on it gets. Finally bought it during the last steam sale but haven't brought myself to actually start it.
Guess I'll restart the cycle with DS3 when I finish DS2.
>>344903146
>bought the DLC edition for 20 bucks because wanted more souls and hear they're good
>get 20 minutes in before the "DaS2 feeling" sets in
>cannot go past Pursuer's area(can't remember what it's called)
such a waste
>>344903146
When you start DS2, level adaptability up to the point where your agility reaches 99. Level endurance to 20. After that do whatever you want.
>invadercucks getting btfo again
whats the problem again ?
>>344903146
Can you get a refund? Dark Souls 2 is, as you said, universally considered to be the worst game of all time. Literally everyone hates it outside of shitposts. It is an abomination so bad that it has been banned in several countries.
>>344901406
great post faggot just admit you have nothing better to do but shitpost in response to shitposts on a mongolian basket weaving forum
>>344903484
>hosts have double healing
>weapon memory
well that's a little more fair, no big d-
>seed of giants
>phantoms can estus now as well
oh, that's back from DS2, i guess i can still deal-
>no poise, non instant backstabs, 2 hit stunlock
>3 phantoms can be summoned
>lloyd's talismans nerfed to shit
>straight sword R1 spam almost impossible to beat unless you have a pure magic build
okay guys really this is a bit mu-
>reds drop all their souls in the host's world
>hosts have 30% more life
>up to 2 blues auto invade
dead fucking game
>PvP fags
Souls PvP isn't very good, honestly. It's just too simple, the mechanics weren't really made for good, complex PvP and it really shows. Every fight just boils down to alternating between dodging/blocking and spamming R1. It's a fun little addition to the game and nothing more. 2 may have better PvP than 3 but 3's actual core game is so vastly superior to 2, and that's what actually matters.
Is there anyone besides PvP fags who actually like 2?
>>344904472
not even hardcore pvpfags like 2
they stick to 1 or fuck around in 3
>>344903976
Phantoms cannot Estus in DS2 if there is a Dark Spirit in the world. They can if there is no invader present, but once an invader enters they no longer can use Estus.
>>344898556
That's due to the sales. Pvp has gone empty again, unfortunately. At least in the belltower.
>>344895834
ds3 is the best in the series you faggot ass contrarians. people are seriously praising ds2 now, holy fuck the contrarianism is real.
>>344905250
It's hilarious because 2 is so obviously an unpolished poorly designed mess and yet they come up with all these excuses to try and pretend it isn't. Everyone knows that 2 is easily the worst in the series on basically every point except the PvP, which is completely optional and basically irrelevant to the game's quality.
>>344900772
>better online
Boy I sure do love hackers
>faster patches
As far as I know DS3 on all platforms has gotten their patches at the same time. If not then PC must only get them a day or two in advance
>>344903976
but I like 3's system
it makes invasions an actual challenge instead of killing some dumb newbie
hell every time I invaded ONE person, it was so sickeningly onesided to me because most people do not know what to do if they relied on summons so much
I really like Dark Souls 3
