I don't really know anything about Bioshock, but I'm trying to unpleb myself in every medium. I'm reading all the great books, watching all the great films, and listening to all the great albums. I'm trying to keep an open mind about video games as art.
I hear about how these games are critically acclaimed, but I listened to the latest Easy Allies podcast and most of the guys weren't too keen on it. Jones said it was great, but that it falls apart at the end. Should I take a chance on this when it comes out?
>>344885741
Bioshock was fun. Bioshock 2 was a cash grab. Bioshock Infinite was lolsodeep, but if you ignored that and just played it, it too was pretty fun. In short: ignore hype and play for fun or get let down.
First one was decent. Others weren't. There really aren't any great games or albums, just go for what you like.
>>344886294
There are certainly great albums. Pet Sounds, for one.
>>344885741
Playing it now for the first time. So far so good. The again i don't think I have played games with artistic value for like a decade. The last one was probably Bloodlines, and before that Heroes III, Deus Ex, Planescape, ...
>>344886294
Close to the Edge is a great fucking album.
My friends kept begging me to play the series, but as soon as the collection was announced they told me to wait for it. The frame rates were dogshit on older consoles.
>>344885741
1 and two are best... 1 for characters and atmosphere 2 for gameplay. Infinite is dumbed down and sucky
>>344885741
They're not adding back Bioshock 2 Multiplayer so I'm not buying it again
>>344885741
Why do you constantly live your life based on how others will judge you?
>>344886537
>>344886706
Pet Sounds is better than Close to the Edge. The third track on Close to the Edge isn't as good as the first two. Pet Sounds is flawless though.
1 is overrated but good.
2 is the best in the series.
Infinite is tedious and overall really fucking mediocre. Looks pretty I guess.
1 fucking sucked. I don't get the love for it.
what little i can even remember besides stupid memeshit was how the game kept repeating the same system OVER AND OVER where i'd progress to one area where i'd then be told i had to collect something or pieces of something. and then i'd spend an hour forming whatever device i'd need to use one time and then move on to the next gate.
and big daddies were kinda cool, but almost all the fights played out the same and the only real challenge to the game was if i turned off the revive pods that were everywhere.
>>344886952
Fair enough. I didn't like Siberian Khatru as much as the first two either for a long time. I'll also be honest and say that I'm not hugely familiar with the Beach Boys beyond their big radio hits. I'll have to go give Pet Sounds a real proper listen from start to finish.
>>344887538
I'd recommend it. Comparing their early stuff to Pet Sounds blows your mind. It's like if One Direction released Dark Side of the Moon or something.
1 is great
2 is good
infinite is god awful
at the end of the day you should just play system shock
>>344887535
It was all about imagery. The work with ilumination and the stories every area told were pretty interesting on their own and provided good images (the beginning, the surgeon, the mobs at the bay, for example). As a game, it's pretty bland, but that's console shooters.
Infine just doesn't feel as inspired and tries to cover it up with a lot of self importance.
>>344886165
fpbp
these games excel at atmosphere but not much else
i enjoyed them all desu
>>344885741
Bioshock is acclaimed by peoplke who started gaming with the 360. Don't fall for it. The game isn't very good. If you have to play one of the games play Bioshock 2 instead.
>>344885741
Play my games first insect
Why is bioshock infinite bad again /v/ ?
>>344890002
/v/ is too casual to solve the door puzzle
>>344890002
wait a minute, that two gun limit quantum physics ghost mom ending linear level design random clothing gene tonics uninspired and boring enemies shooting gallery
did I miss anything?
>>344890334
>>did I miss anything?
yeah, a lot of important social experiences in youth
>>344885741
If you really want to understand games as art, try any of the following:
Alpha Centauri
Myst
Valkyrie Profile
System Shock 1/2
Portal (ignore the memers)
Doom (1993)
Stay away from "art" games that don't involve anything engaging in gameplay. While visuals, story, music and sound design all affect a game's message, gameplay is the primary way a game expresses itself. Don't fall into the trap that story is the only important or "artful" thing about games.
That list is in no way comprehensive by the way, there are plenty of other games that you should check out, I'm sure other Amon's can assist you for more suggestions.
>>344890334
you forgot about the generic waifu character who looks like a mutant with giant eyes and is a glorified ammo dispenser
>>344890936
Rez, Geometry Wars, any good rhythm game and the original Rayman should be included in that list.
>>344886706
>prog rock
Hello Dad
First one best story, second one best gameplay, third one is just a boring mess.
>>344885741
Bioshock 1 is pretty good, a bit overrated
Bioshock 2 is underrated but I wouldn't say it exceeds the first
Infinite has a garbage plot but everything else is pretty okay
I played System Shock 2 to see the whole buzz about SHODAN etc.
SHODAN was cool, but the whole game was quite boring.
I will never understand how someone, in 2016, who plays System Shock 2 for the first time can say honestly that he had fun with it.
I bet he can say that it's interesting as a mater of "historical value", but not that he had fun with it. Games get old very quickly gameplay-wise and the ones that age well are very very rare, System Shock 2 is not one of them.
Bioshock 1 is great
Bioshock 2 is meh
Bioshock Infine is a masterpiece. I'm surprised that /v/ hates it.
No, actually I'm not surprised. Shit taste is in the air
>>344891613
>original Rayman
No.
That game's difficulty has literally not been playtested properly and boy does it show
Origins and Legends are pretty fucking good though
>>344886165
>Bioshock 2 was a cash grab
Here we go again
Great shitpost
>>344893609
Fuck you I replied.
>>344886165
Infinite was the cash grab, actually.
2 was a decent game in its own right.
>>344893609
How old are you?
Bioshock 1 is good for its aesthetic and story but gameplay is barebones
Bioshock 2 is good for gameplay refinements and "multiplayer" (which isn't included in the collection)
Bioshock Infinite is just pretentious garbage with terrible, LITERAL on-the rails gameplay.
1 & 2 are games worth playing.
Play System Shock on PC instead.
>>344894665
this is the only correct post in this entire thread
>>344885741
Bioshock 1 is a great game with a shit ending area, boss and cutscene
bioshock 2 has a shit story
Bioshock infinite has shit story and gameplay but is still quite entertaining
>>344894878
>Bioshock 1 is a great game with a shit ending area, boss and cutscene
Is it possible to explain why without spoilers?
>>344894986
The ending area is an escort mission, the boss is just kind of lame, and the cutscene is one of those terrible endings where you're either jesus or satan thanks to the moral choice system.
>>344894839
fixed
>litterally no one is praising Infinite plot twists.
your souls are derailed.
>>344885741
>I'm trying to unpleb myself
>PS4
hehehe you're doing it wrong dude.
>>344885741
>unpleb myself in every medium
Read as: "I'm listening to the relevant board's memes and incorrectly assuming that the 'great media' in question is factually great media."
>>344895009
Yeah no you're not
Anyone who thinks that Shock 2 has deteriorated gameplay wise is just being completely ridiculous. Only the melee combat is awkward in comparison to what you would play today
If you think Bioshock was great and System Shock 2 was boring you are not even remotely close to 24 years of age
>>344895127
Haha what if we combined the two time periods into one
>>344894986
The third act comes out of nowhere. The final boss, specially is quite painful. You can blame the time, all the games MUST had a final boss, which really hurts the organic experience.
In the end, 2/3 of the game are really good, and the third act, while slow-paced and repetitive, is playable.
>>344895270
Could be worse, at least he isn´t a xbone owner.
>>344895285
Not quite. /tv/ will never help you unpleb yourself. I'm just trying to experience the greatest art we have in the short time I'm alive.
>>344895620
Yeah the third part of the game is almost completely similar to System Shock 2 where the game falls to pieces once you reach the Rickenbacker and then the obligatory final boss
>>344895112
SS2 is objectively worse than 1.
>>344886165
Awful post
BS2 is easily the best
>>344895489
If Vigors are just stolen Plasmids, how come nobody in Columbia goes crazy because of them? Fucking Levine.
>>344895809
/lbg/, if you're capable of enduring the most obnoxious personalities.
My best recommendation would be to start reading books on the basis of cinematography and specialized magazines and start annotating names.
>>344895768
>b-but xbox!!!1
lol
>>344895112
>>344894839
Anyone else currently playing through all of these games in release order?
>>344896168
I've been meaning to start using Letterboxd more. Movies are the area I need the least help in though. I just recently bought a book of essays written by François Truffaut. I've read a few of them so far and am really digging it.
>>344896270
>Unity
Kek, at least show a good game, son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhhsmcoYybc
>>344896270
That's the only game which works better on Xbone, since it's CPU bound.
>50% of replies say that B2 was a cash-grab
>50% say that it is the best of the three
Can someone explain which one is better? I don't want any memes, just straight answers.
>>344896303
>Nice jump human
>Kills you with two robots a second later
I fell for it but I had a good laugh
>>344896564
As someone who actually thought 2 was going to be a cash grab I was proven quite wrong after playing it. Basically what 2 does is overhaul the gameplay by making plasmids more useful and allowing the player to use both plasmids and weapons at the same time in a Clive Barker's Undying manner
It has a few problems like a weaker story, graphics which are slightly worse and the inability to revisit previous areas but it's a competent entry and has the really good Minerva's Den DLC
>>344896527
DELETE THIS!
It's rather disgusting how Ken Levine hijacked the Shock series for himself. He reeks of a failed novelist/film writer desperately seeking artistic legitimacy in mainstream commercial entertainment.
I'm glad that Warren Spector is finally taking it back.
>>344886165
2 is the best game though
And don't call me a hipster I've had that opinion since 2009
>>344893609
(you)
Bioshock is system shock for peasants
Gameplay-wise they're nothing groundbreaking, in fact the shooting is probably one of the weaker aspects of it.
I've heard people praise the story but I didn't really find it all that interesting to be honest.
>>344885741
Here's my preferred method of explaining Bioshock:
>Bioshock 1
Felt unique/original
Cool atmosphere/aesthetic
Solid Gameplay
Tacky twist ending
>Bioshock 2
"You guys really liked Bioshock 1, huh? Have some more!"
Same Atmosphere/aesthetic
Slightly different gameplay/new weapons
Tacky twist ending
>Bioshock Infinite
New atmosphere/aesthetic
Same core gameplay + grappling hooks
Tacky twist ending
The only reason Infinite gets shit on here is because it was way overrated. If you enjoy Bioshock 1, all of them are fun games. If you like the plasmids + guns gameplay but hate the aesthetics/atmosphere, you can skip straight to Infinite.
>>344896564
If you ever played an Obsidian sequel built out of the same assets as the original it feels exactly like that.
The combat is a little more fast paced and the level design more linear but it'll more or less come down to which story and characters you prefer.
>>344885741
Are you watching all of the greatest anime too, OP?
>>344885741
Will this be a good collection?
>>344899723
Only Miyazaki films. I've been trying find a list or something, but I can't tell a pleb anime list from a patrician one. Cowboy Bebop and Neon Genesis Evangelion are pretty popular. I've been thinking of giving them a shot.
![1270854-eleanorlamb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zyXgrd5.jpg "1270854-eleanorlamb[1].jpg")
>>344896976
>weaker story
Am I the only one who absolutely loves the Story of BS2? It literally the only time an overproduced AAA game has managed to give me feels.
>>344899381
I think 1 had the best gameplay, honestly. It allowed you to actually pause and strategize how to put your plasmids to best use according to the scenery. Long corridor? Electric wire. Water pool? Stand behind it, wait until a few splicers are in the water then Shock them all. Oil? Inferno.
In 2 you couldn't pause to go in a plasmids+gun menu, so I ended up running the scrollwheel and hopping I'd end up a gun that would be useful. I guess I should have learned the hotkeys.
I agree with your overview, except for the tacky ending, 1's was really good and Infinite as well, they made you think back to everything that happened and how it fit the revelation. Given Infinite's level of plot twist it was really hard to not have a bunch of plot holes, but after reading a lot about it, I can't find any. I know there's a youtube video detailing why it's the worst thing in forever, but I just can't be bothered to find it.
>>344900035
>Eva
It's extremely pretentious and lacking in substance, I wouldn't if I were you. Definitely go for Bebop though.
>>344885741
>>344895809
what literature my man? If you plan on reading any translation you might as well save yourself sometime and kill yourself now.
>>344885741
greatness is mostly subjective
i recommend introspection
try to decipher from your past what you really like
then look for material related to that
If you already do this next to your project of consuming stuffs that is considered valuable by other people then feel free disregard my post. It's just that i know people that tend to look up to others validation and what they think is good a little too much.
Call me a faggot but i prefered bio 2 to the first bio. didn't play infinite. currently struggling through System shock 1
>>344900730
>struggling
What are you struggling with, anon? I'm playing it too for the first time and I feels rather accessible to me. You just need to leave markers on the map.
>>344885741
They're fun. Your supposed to play them and then come to /v/ and pretend you didn't like it.
>>344900873
controls mostly, even on EE
>>344885741
>Bioshock
The original Bioshock was amazing. Still one of my favorite video game stories.
>Bioshock II
Could have been polished to average quality had they not wasted so many resources on a fucking multiplayer. It's not a bad game but the experience of the first game makes Bioshock II feel even more underwhelming than it really is.
>Bioshock: Infinite
It's an amazing visual experience with some very adult themes. Ultimately, it tries way too hard, tackling too many issues and making weak points with all of them, it loses itself in that. To the trash.
>>344900730
This sounds really good actually. Are there any websites that help with this introspection thing? Something where you can enter your interests and it can find you some books/movies/music/games based on those interests?
>>344901034
Do you use the point and click interface or mostly hotkeys? I personally think that clicking on the UI is less cumbersome, excluding leaning of course. Honestly, I fucking love the hybrid between point and click and FPS. Unlike anything I've ever played. That alone makes it enjoyable for me.
>>344886165
the only thing i was really disappointed by in bioshock infinite was, in early trailers and interviews they said using Liz's power hurt her and to use it very sparingly. I thought it would be similar to Bioshock 1, where abusing Liz's tears would lead to a bad ending. So I tried to avoid using the tears. But then I realized the "consequence" for abusing Tears was nothing at all, literally a fucking cooldown period, and i never needed the ability in any situations anyway
liz also looked more attractive and had more personality in the original build, that whole sequence with the lincoln mask, nothing like that EVER happens, instead NOTHING happens in Infinite.
i don't know what i expected after BS2 though, a game so poorly designed that the final battle of the game could be completely circumvented simply by using the Natural Camo ability and standing in one spot
>>344901314
>>344901034
Also, how far are you in?
>>344885741
First 2 are amazing, so engrossing world. Infinite too but towards the end with the boring ass gameplay i was pleading for it to just hurry up and end.
>>344886537
3rd post post post
Pet sounds is objectively flawless
Infinite is shit
People that praise it here are either baiting or have no clue on what constitutes a good game or a decent story and thus their opinion is worthless
>>344901535
Man, I remember 2013. Remember how everyone was freaking out about how is was going to be shit, because of the weapon limit and Elizabeth having a completely different look and smaller tits? I gave it the benefit of the doubt and kept defending it in threads. Then I played it. Oh boy, I sure did look silly. That was the last time I ever spend 50€ on a AAA game. Haven't looked back since.
>>344885741
i actually read the bioshock novel "rapture". it sorta awkwardly mashes the retcons and plotholes from BS2 into the original framework of BS1. it was ok i guess. all i could say by the end of it was "I don't know what you expected to happen making a lawless underwater city, dude"
>>344901314
a mix of both,
>smash that muthafucking E key
>>344901246
i honoustly can't answer this question, i was always a bit isolated so that gave me more time to think these things through and not get myself manipulated by others. After a while you start to notice small things of your childhood to be congruent with the stuff you like now. I was a bit fearful and had an older brother who read a lot of spooky stories, this influenced me to draw a lot of monsters back then, then it directed me to genre/horror/mystery film. In school i always liked biology, so my monsters that i drew became more anatomically correct and human.
I then become interested in in psychology, afterwards i learned that all the horrormovies i liked before that revolved around psychology related themes as well.
You just find out these lines of interest and wonder where they can go next.
>>344901415
Not far at all, i keep putting the game down for some reason. I don't have that much energy for game genres i don't often play lately, so i just play a lot of racan.
>>344901851
The hype I had for Infinite was massive after that 2011 "gameplay trailer", I preordered the thing and got served a shit sandwich, when I got to the part when they wrote themselves into a corner and opened a tear to another dimension where everything is solved I felt personally offended, these games were supposed to be smart.
>>344902123
So I take it that you never even left the medical level? Did you at least get to Nathan D'Arcy's office? It took me some time to get used to it, but now I'm having a fucking blast.
>>344902554
The last thing i did was blow myself up by destroying a computer node or something by smashing it with a pipe.
>>344900035
You should really stop worrying about whether something you experienced is "pleb" or not. I can understand trying to break into different mediums to familiarize yourself with creators and expanding your horizons, but basing your enjoyment of a work off of what strangers on the internet tell you is incredibly misguided. All that should matter to you is whether or not you enjoyed the work, and to be able to articulate what you liked or disliked about it.
If the premise of Bioshock sounds interesting to you, then play it. After that, engaging with the subsequent games is totally up to you and whether you want more in the vein of Bioshock. While I don't think they're all great, I believe they're all worth playing for various reasons.
>>344903408
this anon gets it
>>344890002
Linear, no choices, no RPG elements.
Also I just beat the DLC yesterday in about 3 hours (thankfully I got it for less than a few bucks instead of the fucking THIRTY they charged at launch). It's good at first but the last 30 minutes are awful and have literally zero gameplay. So much missed potential with the big daddys not being hostile to Elizabeth too.
>>344903408
I don't think I'm worrying about being a pleb. It's just that I don't have all the time in the world, so I don't want to waste time on something that I'll probably think is just mediocre.
>>344900425
It's like you deliberatly choose to be a fucking pleb
>>344905448
That is irrational. In your first post your talking about wanting to experience video games as an art form but you also seek the opinions if others. Art is suppose to start an automatic emotional response from you based on your values. How can you do that when your trying to find out how other people value it? If you spent more than 12 hours researching the game before even playing it you could have spent 12 hours playing the damn thing to form your own opinion. It sounds like you want to be told how to feel rather than genuinely feeling something for yourself.
>>344900425
EVA is fine and has more "substance" than Bebop
>>344893609
>current year argument
>>344885741
Bioshock 1 op. Just play that.
What exactly is your mission op? There are so many games to play man.
>>344885741
>I'm trying to unpleb myself in every medium
I've been doing a bit of the same, but I've found that just going down lists and watching what's considered the best of every medium is a boring way of going about things. Most ppl have holes in media that is really well known, but have seen and enjoyed lesser known works that they love with a passion. It's a lot more fun to find a hidden gem than to go down a list and watch the Godfather, 12 angry men and 7 samurai and so on and so on.
>>344907072
dude just play whatever the fuck you want when it comes to vidya. Who honestly cares.
>>344895489
This is my true beef with Infinite (and especially it's dlcs); it can't be contained to itself. It just HAD to spill over the two first games and fuck up the lore. Fuck you, Levine.
>>344907176
Levine was that butthurt about BS2
>>344907176
have you ever been so butthurt about a sequel
that you make your game completely retcon it out of pure spite?
>>344907465
>>344908641
Whats this about Levine not liking BS2?
The first game is great, second is ok, and Infinite can be fun, and is outright beautiful at the beginning.
>>344909567
He didn't work on it, iirc. They did it without his approval.
>>344907175
that's exactly what I'm saying had you read my entire post you'd seen that
The games have a damn good soundtrack.
Beasts being used in Infinite was perfect.
>>344885741
First and third are for certain great games. I can see Bioshock 2 being considered a 9/10 by some, but it is not as good as the other two. I still think you should play Bioshock 2, only because it's still Bioshock.
Although, there is a stark difference in gameplay between Bioshock 1 to Infinite. I can only describe Bioshock to be survival horror and "Outlast"-ih, while Infinite is more action packed with a stronger focus on gunplay.
Both are amazing in the story department, despite tackling different themes and the games having a different atmosphere.
Bioshock 1 isn't that great of a port and doesn't look as beautiful as Infinite, but that should change with the remaster.
So take a chance OP, just don't be a retard and accidentally look up the endings on "Top 10 Endings in Video Games" youtube videos.
>>344900425
>It's extremely pretentious and lacking in substance
You're an idiot if you think that Eva is the deepest masterpiece of all time, but you're an even bigger idiot if you actually believe it's shallow.Re:Zero is the deepest anime of all time.
