ITT: We design Portal traps/torture methods.
>>344854369
shouldnt the guy on the pillar be rising toward the portal so he can have the momentum to fly out portal b
>>344854572
thats the bait.jpg
>>344854369
>>344854767
why not just have him fall straight down without the portals? fucking idiot
>>344854767
Gave me a chuckle
>>344854369
Ha
5/10 bait points for idea
>>344854767
That is so fucking
GENIOUS!
You mad scientist.
>>344854868
>i don't get sarcasm
do you even basic human interaction faggot
>>344854767
Both portals are underwater
There, done
>>344854572
>>344854654
>here we go again
But isn't it that speed is relative? I mean we're zooming in space at a 19 miles per Second, yet we tell ourselves we're not moving, when standing still.
In other words, if the portal comes down at a speed, isn't it the same? Relatively speaking the guy is moving towards the portal (or the portal moves towards the guy, doesn't matter).
So yes, he would have enough momentum to hit the spikes
>>344855106
Portals are just doorways. He doesn't have any speed, so he doesn't come out of the orange portal with momentum.
>>344855196
>Portals are just doorways
no
>>344855196
If they were just doorways, they would be called doorways and not portals
>>344855248
My mistake, they're physics defying doorways cut in half through science.
>>344855135
gee boris why did mom let you have FOUR PORTALS
>>344854767
Remove the portals and it would make zero difference. Fucking hell why is /v/ so stupid.
>>344855135
Is this Loss?
Can I work for Valve now?
>>344855335
>despite everything in this thread being a joke
>he chooses to get angry!
>>344854369
>>344854572
>"Speedy things go in, Speedy things come out"
>his speed is 0mp/h
>>344855382
I'm not fucking angry.
>>344855436
>>his speed is 0mp/h
no
>>344855526
Yes it is.
>>344855436
From the blue portal's perspective, the man is moving towards it. That speed will be conserved as he exits the orange portal.
>>344855546
>"it's a doorway"
XD
>>344854767
10/10
>>344855630
a portal is literally LITERALLY L I T E R A L L Y a doorway with its two sides in different places
A is exactly what would happen
>>344855630
>It's not a doorway
>>344855357
hes pulling onto himself and he eventually dies by decapitation and his body parts infinitely go through the portals
no you cannot work for valve for this terrible thought out idea
>>344855701
Then tell me this mister smart guy. How do you go through a door without moving?
>>344855106
Yes. Consider that the man in the diagram is standing on a moving surface (the Earth) and it becomes very obvious that he would fly out of the other side.
And if that doesn't convince you, consider that he'd be crushed if he emerged with no velocity, because he'd be emerging from the portal slower than he was entering it.
>>344855701
>>344855713
haha doorways sure can have an exit that moves relative to it's entry! That's a good one!
>>344855336
Lost
>>344855436
>Enter portal at a high rate, exit portal at a high rate.
>He enters the portal at the speed of the moving platform.
See >>344855546
The answer can't be B because the rate that the person exits the door changes. Same with the original problem where the person has to exit the portal at the same rate that they go in.
find a small object and a cardboard tube
slam one end of the tube over the object
does the object suddenly fly out the top? no? the same physics in theory would apply to portals
He has to SUCK his own DICK
>>344855610
>blue portal's perspective
I like how you fags literally just make shit up to explain how stupid you are.
The portals don't have a perspective, everything exists in one single reality with the same physics.
If they somehow had their own perspectives attached to them what the fuck do you think would happen when they're both located on a planet that rotates and moves 30 kilometers a second through space?
>>344855767
Kill yourself retard.
>>344855807
>the same physics in theory would apply to portals
nope
>>344855758
Make the doorway move towards you. Is this a question?
>portal
>a monumental gate or door
>>344855767
make the door telescopic. move one side but not another. task done. you still dumb boy.
>>344855813
i give u 1 point out of 1
>>344855813
>torture
Portals can't exist on moving platforms, you stupid mongs
>>344855837
Lost
>>344855813
Thanks for making up a new fetish for me.
>you will never be portal-dominated by Chell
>>344855834
You don't know how velocity or simple frame of reference logic works so stop using terms like "stupid" and "retard", child.
>>344855551
Wouldn't this just happen tho
>>344855884
You use the portal gun on moving surfaces in 2, you mong
>>344854767
>>344855856
Sure thing, then if you put your leg through the door your leg has velocity but not your body :^)
But you don't understand this.
>>344855912
>Now you're dominating with portals!
>>344855884
Play Portal 2 again.
Open at your own risk.
>>344855701
Portals cannot work in real life exactly because they break the law of relativity of velocity. If the doorway comes at you with 50km/h then it's the same from the doorway's position as if it stands still and you have the 50 km/h velocity.
And so you have on one hand a doorway like entry that should pass over you unaffected abd on the other that your relative velocity cannot suddenly become 0.
>>344855834
>the portals don't have a perspective
>everything exists in one single reality with the same physics
No, that's not how physics works
>>344855837
This is a black and blue white and gold scenario dude some people's brains just can't fucking work properly and need to be gassed.
People who think a portal moving towards you as you stand still would launch you are either trolls or mentally handicapped
>>34485591
>>344856037
With opposing portals like this, according to the game it would be functionally identical to simply step through a hole.
Now tell me what would happen in your world where both portals have their own momentum in opposing directions because of the rotation and speed of the Earth.
kinda relevant tbqh
What happens /v/?
>>344855834
/v/ didnt make up relativity retard. Assuming that the portal is moving at a constant velocity it has its own frame
>>344856093
So let's say you have a portal on the moon and one on earth.
Would the air also stand still?
You're dumb, mate
>>344856113
>HAHA GMOD PHYSICS ARE REAL LIFE PHYSICS OR PORTAL PHYSICS
>>344856113
the box bounces off the fucking wall before it even registers that a portal is present
>>344856137
The same thing that happens if you put two magnets with the same polarity together.
Their fields make it physically impossible for them to directly touch, or intersect.
>>344856189
>not lego
>>344856160
Air would get sucked out as if you had opened a hatch on a space station.
Putting a portal on a wall on earth, and a portal on the moon is physically the same as that wall being between you and empty space.
>>344856183
They can't be real-life physics since portals don't exist, and yes it is the Portal 1/2 physics since it's literally the same fucking game
>>344856234
But with enough pressure they do touch.
>>344856242
Excellent idea!
>>344855884
this is a silly premise simply because of the passive speed of the earth moving through space, if you were to extend the scope of the problem beyond a test chamber in a game.
>>344856289
>pressure
dont use words
>>344856264
Pretty sure that these G-Mod portals weren't added by Valve, but were made by fans. The portals were made specifically for Portal and are not something that just comes with the Source engine.
>>344856183
But that's basically exactly what would happen. All movement is relative (Einstein) so you would be thrown through with the velocity between you and the portal.
>>344856189
Replace the rocks with Lego and we've got a deal.
>>344856264
Gmod isnt portal it's Gmod it's a different source engine and it doesn't matter if portals don't exist in real life they've already stated in the game Speedy things go in Speedy things come out not speedy thing comes toward you and you come speedy out.
IT'S A DOORWAY
>>344856183
The original Portal engine "solves" the problem by simply refusing to let an object pass trough a moving portal, acting like the object was hit by a solid wall.
>>344856189
>>344856242
>>344856374
>Not covering the rocks with a backyard inflatable water slide
Why is /v/ this fucking stupid?
>it's not a doorway
>>344856364
Einsteins stolen theory has been proven wrong how many times now?
>>344856390
>Speedy things go in Speedy things come out
This was just a way to simplify things, stop quoting it as if it's the holy grail of these discussions
>>344856501
What is it?
>>344856501
/v/ never passed highschool physics
>>344855135
He would die the moment his feet hit his head
If portals aren't real then what about wormholes?
>>344856483
But earth is moving.
>>344856357
>>344856264
There was a video from someone forcing a portal on a moving platform in Portal too. The game just uses the player's velocity under the assumption that you would not have a moving portal. The answer in Portal physics is that the moving platform would just hit the block like the portal isn't there because the block has no velocity and can't go through a portal.
this ones a real killer
>>344855921
fuck, i haven't inclined the portals into the design
>>344856505
Never, actually
>>344854369
The worst that would happen is you would fall off the slanted platform when you appeared out of the orange portal.
The blue portal does nothing to literally yank you up off the platform you're stood on. It simply decides which parts of you are appearing out of the orange platform.
How has there been an entire thread of this shoy, even for bait it was obvious what would happen.
>>344856635
Place the blue one at an angle
>>344856608
portal physics are limited by the computer being retarded then
how awful
The cube has no momentum, it would simply fall.
>IT'S LIKE ALL RELATIVE BRO
Shut the fuck up.
>>344856606
Not for the game.
The black void with the map loaded is endless and static.
>>344856345
i think I can improve on this design
>>344856637
Sure kid have fun with your scientism polytheistic religion of pseudo science idols.
>>344856743
This would be great for amputeess
>>344855546
That's a wrong way of thinking about it. Imagine it being a room with a door moving at you very fast while you're jumping. It's called frame of reference, bud.
>>344854767
>>344855983
DUDE DIDN'T YOU GUYS PASS HIGH SCHOOL PHYSICS?? IS ALL RELATIVE BRO
>>344855701
Only the place on the other side is moving with the doorway, so you're going to fly into that place either way.
>>344856626
Add a grill after the blue one
>>344856757
How?
You still only have one arm. It's just on the other side of your body now.
>>344856513
Because Speedy portal goes through you and you come Speedy out makes so much sense right.
>>344856803
The exit portal doesn't create a separate instance of the world, retard. There's only one frame of reference.
>>344856803
There's only one way to think about it.
Portals arent real, they're a made up concept, and the creators of this concept state that objects only retain momentum they already had when traveling through portals
Trying to explain a completely fictional premise with real science is retarded.
>>344856751
I don't see you disproving it dipshit
>>344856879
>still using the same quote to explain.
nigga pls.
>>344855834
Everything in the universe has it's inertial perspective. There is no single set point against which everything is measured.
>>344856829
Nah, that one is too sensical, it actually adds some extra, possibly lethal height
>>344856886
What do you see when you look through the portal coming at you?
You see a world moving towards you.
>>344856751
>Made-up Hippie forest-kin buzzwords.
>>344856837
I passed it, but we didn't really learn much.
>>344856891
They were only talking about the movement of the object passing through, never the portal. The developers themselves have never actually answered what would happen if you went through a moving portal, not in the game or in any explanation. It's up to assumption and science.
?
>>344856886
When the portals are not moving relative to each other, there is only one frame of reference. It's impossible for something to move and not have it's separate frame of reference. That's the definition of moving. If you look through that portal, you will see a room moving at you really fast. You won't just magically stop at it's entrance.
>>344857043
Monster
>>344856971
Yeah, the world moves to you and then stops when you pass through the portal. *You* aren't moving. As the game would say at the start of 1, you have no momentum to maintain as you pass through.
>>344856971
So now you're saying the exact opposite of what you've claimed would happen, you would be pushed back by an entire universe worth of air rushing towards you.
>>344856856
But then he can't fall through in the first place. In other words, this is a flawed design for a torture trap.
>>344856364
>All movement is relative (Einstein)
Einstein postulated special and general relativity. This is not relativity of motion (rather a much more advanced version of it that handles situations people wouldn't notice on earth), which has been known since at least Newton, and surely much earlier since it's basically common sense and not some empiric finding
>lol portals are doorways there's no speed bro :)
>earth rotates 1180 km/h
>>344857034
All you've done here is solved why arcs exist and you didn't even conclude that
>>344857020
Did you even play the games?
The explicitly state in the first portal that objects traveling through portals retain their momentum.
They never say anything about moving portals.
>>344857135
No acceleration = no speed.
Which is it?
>>344857201
thats not how it works reee
>>344857201
>No acceleration = no speed.
no
>>344857201
wrong :^)
>>344857164
>they never say anything about moving portals
That's exactly what I just said. The game avoids it by denying moving portals because even the devs don't want to deal with the question of what would happen because it's more complicated than just "it's a door".
>>344857135
Yes but this inertial force is present for both the blue and orange portals if both of them are on Earth (and probably at roughly the same latitude too).
You can assume that the net force is therefore practically zero.
>>344856743
>invertedcontrolls.png
>>344857214
>All that work wasted on Portal puzzles, which are always unsolvable
What about a continuing infinite torture? For example he is pushed off a cliff into a portal that teleports him back onto the cliff to be pushed off again, back into the portal and so on forth. The cycle continues.
>>344857201
wow, so if I drive my car at a constant speed of 80 mph without accelerating or decelerating, I'm not actually moving anywhere?
>>344856929
>He used a different quote
>>344857201
Inertia is a property of matter
>>344856949
But yours makes the guy move slowly through the yellow portal, making his initial speed less.
Chances are he would only break his legs upon falling.
>>344857214
You would be flung out of the blue portal at 100 m/s because of the difference between *the platform you're stood on* and the velocity of the second portal.
In OP's example the platform the guy is stood on isn't moving. These two examples aren't the same thing at all mate.
>>344855835
Yes it is you fucking idiot, what else would they be?
>>344857135
>implying the earth rotates
>>344857346
According to you driving a car at 80mph is actually the rest of the world moving at 80mph backwards which moves you forward 80mph because all perspectives are relative.
>>344857262
They don't have to answer the question, because it's a fiction that they created.
If they don't want portals to work like that, then they won't work like that.
>>344857407
Sorry, A.
I didn't notice that the top asteroid had velocity, I only skim-read it.
this is a deadly one for sure
>>344857382
That's the entire point.
It isnt a torture device if it straight up kills people, that would be a murder machine.
>>344857465
yes that is correct
welcome to relativity 101
>>344857465
>because all perspectives are relative
Exactly. The "no speed doorway xD" theory doesn't apply here.
>>344855850
>Portal
>Not just a tube going from one point in space time to another
Kys pls desu senpai
>>344857472
Well then if they don't answer the question then how do you know what they want portals to work like in that situation? I'm saying it's an open question because it's not addressed by the creators.
>>344855357
wouldn't he just fall
>>344857465
Assuming you are in the cars frame. If you are in the roads frame the car will still have 0 acceleration but will be moving at 80 mph
>>344855135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZd95BCKMY
Would the earth lose its atmosphere?
>>344857512
Better yet, you could have him fall onto/through a cactus, THEN into the feces, so he can die of super-gross infections
>>344857530
I do not agree.
See, this is 2 sided
>It's a torturing since the guy knows of his impending death ever so slowly as the wall is moving. He will be talking soon enough
Or if he doesn't talk
>for the onlookers this gets boring after a while. Better let them have a grand finale after waiting for so long without results
>>344857662
>portals can't move
>>344857214
>D
Flung out at 100m/s. It'd act as if asteroid 2 were to simply stop moving.
>>344857310
They're unsolvable because video game engines rely on absolute values whereas reality follows the laws of physics. Relativity suggests that the answer would be A if portals existed in the real world, but most video game engines don't take relativity into account. If you did it in-game, the answer would be B. However, the man wouldn't take damage from the sudden stop, because fall damage isn't calculated realistically either.
>>344857536
>No Officer I didn't hit that lady on the sidewalk, she actually hit me relatively (Einstein)
I'll take my Nobel prize now, thank you.
>>344856483
If you look at the video you can see sparks from where the box stood, it gained momentum because it first registered the portal as a wall.
>>344857769
it's over, everybody go home
>>344855135
>>344855357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZd95BCKMY
>>344857684
Did you not finish Portal 2? All air and pressure are continuously sucked out into space until the portal is closed.
>>344857214
Doesn't the answer entirely depend on the mechanics of the portal itself?
>>344857684
Yes actually, since the moon doesn't have enough gravity to hold the necessary amount of oxygen in order to even out the density of air on each side of the portals, the whole atmosphere will just continue to spill out onto the moon until it's all floating through space.
>>344855135
kek
>>344857856
portals are just doorways placed in 2 positions
>>344857684
No, it would lose an amount until the atmosphere on the moon had enough pressure to counteract the pressure of earths atmosphere
Everyone would still die though
>>344857684
Sure.
Portal 2 shows the suction the portals have. Since the moon cannot hold its atmosphere itwill continually go into space and new one sucked from earth. It#s basically a valve for earth's atmosphere to escape its gravity.
if you wouldn't suck your own dick after gaining access to a portal gun you are fucking gay
>>344857407
Why would the laws of nature suddenly change if the entire test chamber was moving? By your logic, he'd fly out of the portal at a different speed in the morning than in the evening, because of the Earth's orbit.
>>344857950
>not fucking your own ass hole
gay desu
>>344857950
If you can't suck your own dick without portals, you are fucking fat and should exercise
>>>/fit/17018018
>>344855220
The fucking portal mechanics in the game treat them as doorways.
Throw a ball through a hole. What happens? It flies out the other side
If the ball is floating in mid air and the wall with a hole is moved into it, what happens? Ball stays where it was.
Transfer of momentum is all shifted from the moving platform to the stationary one below. NONE of the momentum will ever reach the guy. Only thing that will happen is gravity will enact on him at a different angle once he's through, causing him to possibly fall off.
>>344854767
Impressive. Very nice.
>>344858093
>transfer of momentum
in
which
frame
>>344856514
Great plan 60 walruses out of 60 giraffes
>>344855436
So when you jerk off your penis flies off and gets splattered on the ceiling?
>>344858093
He has to move to come out the exit and moving things have momentum. He either goes flying or gets crushed because of the discontinuity.
>>344857853
In portal 2 the portal was closed quickly, i'm talking leaving it open
>>344858093
>NONE of the momentum will ever reach the guy
you don't actually know what momentum is do you
>>344856113
delete this
>>344857684
It'll get sucked into space and pulled back to earth.
Gradually.
>>344856113
delet this
>>344858309
Glados closed it.
>>344858093
The portals are moving at different speeds. Both sides of the hole are moving at the same speed. So the ball/man would need to change its momentum very suddenly to leave the portal with the same "absolute speed" with which it entered.
>>344857769
You sick fuck.
>>344857913
Which isn't something that naturally happens in physics, therefore expecting conventional physics to explain it is silly.
This is the same as that 50% or 2/3 chance on a gold ball thing where it's obviously 50%. Some people are just unable to think logically. He goes in with no speed so comes out with no speed. He just drops out and won't hit the spikes.
>>344857845
In reality, this would kill you. The closer the two plates can get to each other, the closer that the volume between them approaches zero. You'd be crushed into smaller volume.
>>344858646
>where its obviously 50
no
>he goes in with no speed
no
>>344858646
The golden ball thing was 2/3. Were you even in the thread?
>>344858646
>that 50% or 2/3 chance on a gold ball thing
Elaborate?
>he comes out with no speed
How can you come out of anything if you're not moving?
>>344858726
>>344858736
Point proven
>>344857769
OVER THE LINE
>ITT: people pretending to be retarded enabling some actually retarded people
>>344858646
nothing in this universe has 0 speed reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>344857757
Portals cannot exist in real life because when moving- which in relation to sth. the always do- they combine two contrary movements, if you have two different moving portals the universe in relation to the one moves different than it does to the other- a universe in which both of them are at the same time!
>>344854369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZd95BCKMY
>>344858804
IT'S JUST A DOORWAY GUYS
A DOORWAY WHERE THE ENTIRE WORLD ON THE OTHER SIDE IS FLYING TOWARD YOU AT HIGH SPEEDS
JUST A REGULAR DOORWAY
>>344858754
changing the direction of gravity changes the net force applied to you, which
>>344858646
If the portal wall comes down on him he has speed in relation to it. Also if he didn't, then how could he "go in" into anything?
>>344854767
>>344857975
but surely as you thrust forward, your ass would get further from your dick as it tries to enter it. you will be forever unable to reach your asshole, no matter how hard you yearn for its warm embrace.
explain your anal virginity away now, fucker
>>344858646
>50%fag
>also no speed fag
Like fucking pottery, naturally these options would attract people totally ignorant in the question
>>344859005
place the exit portal in your pants
>>344856886
>there's only one frame of reference
entirely, totally, absolutely wrong.
>>344859014
likewise yo
>>344859101
kys
What the fuck is this gold ball thing people are talking about?
>>344859005
Just attach the portal to something that moves along with your ass?
>>344859131
>>344859101
This is so easy to pick apart this has to be bait
>>344859101
What the fuck dude
>>344858760
Confirmed for not understanding probability.
>>344857487
More of her.
>>344859163
WARNING
This image will cause controversy among threads which will never be resolved because /v/ cannot concede. Click at your own risk.It's 2/3 btw
>>344859309
its 4/6
>>344857020
>>344857164
>>344857262
Actually, there is one moving portal in Portal 2. The player doesn't go through it, but a laser beam does. But I know that doesn't really help, because the laser moves too quickly for momentum changes to be discernible.
>>344859309
I shouldn't have brought it up. This kills the thread.
It's 1/2 though.
>>344857662
android hell
>>344859367
but its not 1/2 retard
>>344859309
50%
>>344859367
Stop being gay. It's been tested.
>>344854868
It's people like this guy that makes me wonder about people sometimes..
>>344859309
It's 1/2. Prove me wrong. Protip:you literally cannot.
>>344859424
It is though
>>344859437
Then the tests are wrong. It's impossible.
I'm sure the guy that made this thing just wants to see the world burn. Make people argue to keep them busy.
>>344859309
That depends on whether the gold ball I take is replaced before I pick the next ball.
>>344859309
It's 50%. Everyone who says otherwise is wrong
>>344859156
well i guess there's no reason why it wouldn't be blowing out air
>>344859542
>then the tests are wrong
I dont need to test it to calculate basic probability. The first ball will come from the 2x gold box twice as often, so
>>344859309
How can it be 2/3? How can you have different proportions for equal values? You have the same chance to pick a gold ball as you do a silver ball no?or am I just really confused ?
