Was GTA4 better than 5?
Or is it just nostalgia
>>344826195
>gta 4
>nostalgia
its just the better game
>>344826280
But why
>>344826343
Better gunplay
Non-casual driving
Better missions
Better characters
Better multiplayer
Better expansions
The only things GTAV did better than IV were the radio stations and the inclusion of non-city terrain, but the former is subjective and the latter got fucked by putting all the not-city above the city with nothing in it.
>>344826573
>Better gunplay
False
>Non-casual driving
If your argument consists of "If you don't like the driving in GTA IV you're a causal" then chances are you have no real argument to defend cars that operate like boats. Driving a fucking car in a GTA game shouldn't be a fucking challenge to even turn a corner.
>Better missions
Meh
>Better characters
Yes
>Better multiplayer
No.
>Better expansions
We never really had any expansions for GTA so far unless you count MP updates.
Was Saints Row 2 better than GTA4?
Or is it just nostalgia
>>344826573
I liked Jazz Nation Radio in GTA 4 a lot. Too bad there's really no parallel in 5.
Better driving, missions, characters and expansions are all gimmes.
I don't know about gunplay though. Neither game has especially strong gunplay, especially compared to sister game Max Payne 3
4 had better technology and characters.
>>344826990
>False
Gunplay in V was crap. Can't shoot guns from people's hands, everything that isn't a cop dies in 1 shot, and half the guns are superfluous at best.
The driving was better than V's "every car is magnetically attached to the road and explodes on contact with anything".
The majority of Vs missions are even more busywork than IV, and despite being a game centered around heists, there's a grand total of 5, only 3 of which actually give you anything and only 1 that pays enough to be worth a damn.
GTAV multiplayer is like Payday 2 with worse mechanics and almost as much DLC shit, not to mention the retarded penalties for causing mayhem in a sandbox game designed around causing mayhem. IV had a variety of stuff to do and didn't try to jew you out of money for in-game currency or sell you cosmetics.
And as for the expansions, the fact that V never got any expacks is my point. All we got post-launch was promises of multiplayer heists (which underdelivered about as hard as humanly possible) and a mountain of pointless shit.
>>344826990
So by default, GTA 4 had better expansions.
Also, if you found it a challenge to turn a corner in 4, maybe you just didn't know how to brake properly. Those cars didn't handle like boats at all, they just had real weight to them.
It feels good to have been arguing about whether or not 4's driving is good for almost 8 years now. I feel like I have been making the same point the whole time and no one will ever change their mind.
No
>>344827332
Yes
>>344827332
I think they're very different games.
Lame Russian accents wasn't as funny to me as everyone else seemed to think. It really killed that game for me.
>>344827752
>>344827731
what one had better villians?
in 4 you had Dimitri, Pegorino, Ray and Bulgarin.
in SR2, you had a literal niggerking general, Worf from TNG, 2 angry japs and a corporate climber
Never been a better GTA than San Andreas.
>>344826990
>better missions
>meh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katHv3l6dZ4
>better multiplayer
>no
pay 2 play restrictive garbage
>>344828103
i think Bulgarin was a legit russian guy.
he popped up in The Sopranos sounding exactly the same
>>344828284
gta4's multiplayer is the most basic shit
>>344828198
SR2 obviously.
4 didn't really have a clear villain, since it's mostly about Niko. Dimitri only appears on the first half and couple last missions, and he's more like an asstwat rather than a villain.
>>344828247
Chinatown Wars
GTA IV was better in the storyline and realism department.
GTA V was better in the fun deparment.
>>344828284
>Scouting the port
what fucking garbage.
the most filler mission in the history of filler missions
Was IV story that good? It was shit
>>344828549
Slavs betraying slavs betraying Italians betraying micks
>GOAT STORY BASED ROCKSTAR
Most people who hate IV's driving were too young when they played it
>>344828406
i thinkSaints row 1 & 2's campaign shits all over GTA 5in terms of replay-ability and actual fucking depth.GTA 4has SR 1 and 2 beaten for depth and fun characters though.
Packie > Johnny
>>344828350
>at least 12 different modes of play
>several unique modes like Cops'n'Crooks, Turf Wars and Cat'n'Mouse
>basic shit
as compared to V's
>drive around
>shoot someone
>get thrown in the Dunce pool because of microaggression.
>>344828606
RDR and Bully are the only well written Rockstar games
>>344827752
>le apples and oranges
Doesn't mean ones not better. I'd give it to SR2 for being a more fun game, though j really like GTAIV
>>344827509
A wild JNR bro! Loved that station. The Journey was cool too.
Drove around Liberty City listening to the radio way too much.. was good. Don't get the same experience in GTA V.
The leap from IV to V was underwhelming in comparison to the leap from SA to IV. Especially since V was unquestionably worse in some aspects (story, characters) that had received great attention to detail in IV.
I still think 4 looks better than 5.
This video pretty much sums up how much rockstar dropped in quality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWVtZJo-HqI
Shooting was more satisfying
Audio was better
Driving was rewarding and not arcady as fuck
Ragdoll physics were fun
Atmosphere was more believable
More interesting Characters than V
Shootouts were more intense especially when hearing playable characters and enemies yelling at each other while firing at each other
I don't know man, I miss all those things in v. Rockstar listened to all the fucking casuals that complained about 4 not being enough like San Andreas because muh airplanes and can't handle the driving physics because muh saints row and they fucking dropped everything that a lot of people loved in 4.
I don't even care about the future installments for GTA anymore.
>>344828152
That's not thick, that's fat.
There's a difference.
>unspeakably atrocious driving
>5 guns
>no garage
>shit dating system
>toll booths
>samey as fuck missions
It did some things better, definitely, but overall GTA V was a much better game.
>>344826195
The story in IV is MUCH better.
V has better graphics, combat, a ragdoll button, and a more varied open world.
But IV has a great DLC trilogy that wraps up GTAIV really well.
IV>V
>>344826195
Enjoyed 4 more, but it's full of its own issues.
If I could go on criticizing 4 for a while, it's probably not nostalgia.
>>344828767
>"Bullshit, that's last year's fall collection"
>The boss was several feet away and Dex was looking straight into the bag from above, there's no way the Boss could see it
>mfw he knew it because Tanya says Luz is wearing last season's heels in that mission where you drive her limo
>>344826195
IV overall is better
>>344827332
I love 2, but they can't be compared.
A more apt comparison would be GTA:SA
>>344828971
>crowbcat
lots of nitpicking but on point
>>344826573
>Non-casual driving
aka boring and sluggish driving
>Better missions
Fuck no
>Better characters
Nope
>>344828971
>a lot of people loved in 4.
This is fucking WRONG. The people you're referring to were the teeny tiny fucking minority compared to the people who thought 4 was boring and grey.
You have shit taste.
>nostalgia
>for something that came out in 2008
KEK. Also, GTA IV was shit.
>>344829268
>doesnt make sense if you did the carnales first.
>mfw always leave Los Carnarles last, VK's first and Rollerz 2nd
>mfw SR2, brotherhood first, Samdei second, Ronin third
>mfw SR3, put the game down because trash
>>344826195
Nostalgia. The average age here is like 17 now, it was probably half of /v/'s first GTA. Everyone else knows how much of a turd it is.
>>344826195
Nostalgia. IV was the worst GTA.
>>344829550
not true, my first GTA wasSimpsons Hit n Run
>>344828863
>le
kill yourself
>>344826195
GTAV was my first GTA game and I have to say I've got no clue why it's so popular if that's considered "best" series-wise.
>>344827332
no sr2 was shit
>>344829614
>worst GTA
>when GTA Advance, LCS and London exist
It's like when people say Fallout 3 was the worst when Brotherhood of Steel was a thing.
>>344829550
My first GTA was London and I still think IV is the best
>>344829703
why do you think it's shit, man?
I certainly hope that GTA 4 is better.
I never played GTA 4. The first game I owned in this franchise was GTA 5 and I found it to be shit. If GTA 4 is just as bad we have a Resident Evil sort of "None of these games are good, how did this series ever get popular?" situations.
>>344829614
>>344829550
This. I don't understand how someone can have nostalgia for something that came out just a few years ago but it must be. IV is by far the worst 3D GTA and it isn't close. Vice City Stories was a better game for fuck sake.
>>344829150
>The story in IV is MUCH better.
Why the actual fuck do people think this? The story in GTAIV was about as entertaining as someone stamping on your balls and then asking if you want to go bowling.
>>344829835
>Resident Evil sort of "None of these games are good, how did this series ever get popular?" situations.
You have some shit taste in video games.
>>344828152
that's fat
>>344829674
>>344829835
>Haven't played IV
Take GTA V, and remove 80% of the content. There, you have GTA IV.
I paid $5 for gta iv and played through the entire campaign as well as tlatd and tbogt
it's worth about $20 with all that content. just the base game is probably worth $9, $3 for tlatd, and $7 for tbogt.
base game is worth more because it lasts longer and has a more iconic character
>>344829781
>LCS
Liberty City Stories was like a better version of III, and both are better than IV.
>>344829674
Have you played any of the others yet? Because if you haven't then OF COURSE you'd have no fucking clue why it's considered the best. Dumbass.
>>344826195
Better physics went a long way. when they toned it down in 5 it killed the only thing that made 4 worth playing over classic games. Also the radio was fucking garbage compared to all the other GTA games
>>344829842
VCS wasn't bad at all.
>>344830012
Oh, and I haven't played GTA V because it costs >$30
>Was GTA4 better than 5?
4 wasn't even better than its DLCs and CW
>>344830028
>Liberty City Stories was like a better version of III
With shitter missions and no Dodo
>>344829842
If this shithole is still around in 5 years there will be people ironically claiming V was a masterpiece and the best GTA.
>>344830181
III is great but LCS had a better story, a better protagonist and yes, it had better missions than III, seems how you whack the mayor and get to blow up an entire neighborhood.
>they removed an airplane that was impossible to fly anyway
And nothing of value was lost.
>>344826195
I don't really give a shit about GTA gameplay, so I prefer 4 for the better writing and TECHNOLOGY moments
>>344830318
we'll be here till the world ends Tbh
>>344830517
>they removed an airplane that was impossible to fly anyway
>And nothing of value was lost.
Mechanically, LCS and VCS is more like VC, so helis and planes are not a problem. The fact the main reason it got cut is because the map was unfinished is baffling.
>>344830517
>that was impossible to fly anyway
acquire skill
which one helps you learn to drive better?
>>344830779
The rooftops to the buildings weren't solid so aircraft was removed. I think it's still in the game files though.
>>344826195
GTA 4 had the best characters, writing, driving and setting, no contest.
GTA 4 was definitely the most memorable, even more so than 3 and VC.
>>344829312
>>Better characters
>Nope
Either you were abused by someone and automatically hate GTA4 characters, or you have absolutely shit taste.
GTA 5 is full of hipsters and it tries hard to fit into the new age setting. It's a hollywood film as a video game and directed poorly.
How to spot someone who's never driven of their life:
>GTA IV had realistic driving!
>>344831087
Every single thing you just posted about GTA IV, the exact opposite is true.
Worst characters, shit writing, by far the world game world. The only bad thing I can say about GTAV is that it has no DLC/expansions.
>>344831087
Memorable for being a shitheap.
>>344831337
>>344831380
Summer /v/, ladies and gents.
>>344831337
IV had better characters but everything else is spot on.
SA>5=VC>LCS>3>VCS>absolute dogshit>4>Advance
Post those GTAIV tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2zUpAz0aE
>>344826573
The missions in IV sucked ass, though. V was weaker overall, but the missions were at least fun enough to make it worth playing.
Honestly, I'd say that's IV's biggest problem. Switch the mission design teams of both games and suddenly IV is the best game in the series and V is the worst.
>>344831452
>Summer
Way to out yourself, newfriend.
>>344831452
>he fell for the GTA IV was the best meme
First day?
>>344831676
>>344831756
4chan is 18+, kiddos.
>>344831578
>memorable characters
5 had Trevor, that's an automatic checkmate, what did 4 have? Polacks going bowling and an Irish cunt named Paddy or some shit.
>>344826343
The first to have a much smoother third person shooster duh!
>>344831606
>LCS better than VCS
>3 better than anything
>no CW
>>344831642
I heard it first in Stalker online. Caught me totally by surprised when it came up in GTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K69_m4gtZDk
>>344831606
>le SA is the best GTA meme
Found the Twitch generation poster
>>344831756
GTAIV physics are enough fun to make up for all its shortcomings.
I never played 5 but GTA IV has so much little details that it amazes me to this day.
>>344832059
Quality drop is common in these sorts of games
>>344831841
Trevor was memorable for being awful.
>GTA 5 Pros
Best setting of any GTA game
Excellent storyline
Trevor
Submarines and shit
>GTA IV pros
Decent DLC
>GTA 5 cons
No DLC
Aggressive police take away from some of the fun
>GTA IV cons
Awful setting, worst in the series
Forgettable characters including protag
You have to interrupt what you are doing to go bowling with X character or they will hate you
Devoid of classic Rockstar humor
GTAV's singleplayer is fantastic but it does have its shortcomings. Still, despite being dissapointed with what GTAO was, I thought GTAV was well worth the $60.
There's some things in V that make it feel contrived and boring in terms of gameplay
>an explosion anywhere near a vehicle makes it explode instantly, no exceptions
>landing on your roof from a huge fall makes your vehicle explode
>police cars ramming you automatically makes you swerve into a different direction
>enemies just slump over in the same lame animation and die whereas in GTAIV, people didn't neccesarily die when they are rendered incapacitated
>being ejected out of your vehicle insta kills you 9/10 times
The first three points just make the game feel scripted. In GTAIV, a car could survive certain amounts of explosions next to it and it would just catch on fire. This made car chase/shootouts and shootouts in general much more interesting.
Like I said, GTAV is pretty good but GTAIV in my opinion is the better game. One thing I really love in V is the improved range on most weapons.
>>344831841
>trevor was a better character than anyone in 4
Trevor was fine on the first playthrough
after that, he's just a cringy motherfucker who embodies the "lolsorandom" shit
>>344829448
>everyone I disagree with is a vocal minority
Neck yourself
>IV
>nostalgia
Jesus fuck, kids. Wait until you get old before you toss that word around. And no, 30 isn't "old".
The ORIGINAL GTA (1, you know, the top-down 2d game?) is nostalgia, and just barely at that.
IV is as far from nostalgia as you can get.
>>344832728
Everything about this is completely wrong.
I know GTAO has gotten like 25 different updates. Do they also add that shit to single player? I played the single player until I 100%'d it, but I see that GTAO has added a metric fuckton of weapons and vehicles that I would like to check out without playing multiplayer.
>>344832508
>For being the least awful character in a cast of awful characters
GTA IV was over all more FUN to me then GTA V.
In both multiplayer and campaign. GTA V took itself too seriously and the multiplayer is boring grinding nonsense
>>344826195
I really liked freemode. No worries, just shoot and run and kill and ram your car into the swingset. Way more interiors and fights were more intense
>>344833028
>GTA IV was over all more FUN to me then GTA V.
This. I actually remembered being able to play online the first few minutes I was playing back in April 08.
>b-b-but it didn't have aeroplanes or mountains!11
>>344832728
>trevor is a positive point
nah mate, fuck off
>>344832991
They do. Guns are in the ammunation and the vehicles are available in your garage/airport
What were some of your favorite things to do in gta4?
>get a white car and make it as bloody as possible without damaging the front of your car running people over
>shooting people in their arteries and watching the blood squirt out
>landing ontop of buildings and figuring the way down without dying
>flying fast with a helicopter low on those long streets and bailing out skipping off on the road
This video explains it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN9HM8MPYHY
GTA is about the story and aesthetic, the online is about what you can do
GTA IV Story: Above Average
GTA IV Freedom: Low
GTA V Story: Average
GTAV Freedom: High
>>344832970
He's trying to be le epic troll by posting the exact opposite of my points.
>>344833202
>playing GTA V
>switch to Trevor
>it cuts to him passed out from a drunken stupor, butt ass naked with his dick hanging out
I'm surprised Rockstar got away with full frontal nudity.
>>344832728
>people actually taking story into account
Do people actually give a shit about the story in gta?
>>344833441
>this video explains it
So he doesn't like the main gameplay, but he likes the mini games.
I dunno, I'd say all of it was bad.
>>344831606
>SA at the top
wew lad
>>344833668
I don't normally care about story in games, but GTA games have some great writing.
>>344833773
It's more about how shooting, driving, and blowing things up in videogames has become so mundane that experiencing a unique minigame freshens the game up a bit
I like gtav anyone on pizza box
I just started playing red dead redemption all over again and its a much better game then gta 4 or 5
>>344833874
>3
>get revenge on ex-girlfriend, do oddjobs around the city
>VC
>get revenge on old acquaintance, do oddjobs around the city
>SA
>get revenge on corrupt cops andBig Smoke, do oddjobs around the city and the desert
>4
>start new life in America while on a mission to get revenge on a fellow Serb, do oddjobs around the city
>5
>do oddjobs/heists around the city, get revenge on government agents
great writing
>>344829501
Saints row was awesome choosing a game character and the gang turf setting
>>344834437
Saints row is just fucking awesome, and i feel pity for the people who've only played 3 and 4.
1 and 2 are fucking GOAT
>>344834385
>le summarization strawman
You can make anything sound like shit by narrowing it down to one sentence. Apply yourself.
4 and 5 were just okay. rockstar got rid of all the fun vehicle side missions. 4 tried way too hard to be a movie and 5 is a no fun allowed cash shop.
>>344834437
SR2 was more of a GTA game than GTAIV.
>>344835016
not an argument
>>344835484
Yes, "great writing" isn't an argument.
>>344828891
The reddit is real.
>>344835903
the "great writing" was supposed to imply the opposite, silly
>>344829498
Thing doesn't have to pass arbitrary age to be nostalgic about it. You could literally be nostalgic about something half year ago.
Yeah, IV was shit compared to SA, but it grew on me. V is the true cancer.
>People unironically praising GTAIV's driving
Meanwhile, in 2008 /v/
>Holy shit why do the cars handle like they're on an oil slick and have old mattress springs for suspension?
It's all nostalgia. In six years time people will be praising GTAV and shitting on GTAVI. It's just like the Zelda cycle.
Gta v would have been perfect for that one thing we were all looking for:
Realistic or improved euphoria physics.
Gta at its core is about the act of murder, so expecting the killing in gta IV to be better than gta V was impossible.
Rockstar was fully capable of making killing much more satisfying and realistic.
They chose not to for gta V because they didn't want to be a target of media scrutiny for making such an immersively violent game,
Even though that's what we all secretly desired to see.
Screencap this
>>344838806
I was never part of that rhetoric
I thought GTA IV driving was fine, it was different, but not bad. It adds a layer of depth to gameplay when you can't just speed and slam on the breaks to turn a corner like the recent saints row games
>>344832769
>I'm an idiot
Neck YOURself yeah
>>344838806
this is true for every series.
I would bet quite a large sum of money that /v/ will praise Skyrim within 2 years of Elder Scrolls VI's launch
>>344832769
Not the person you're suggesting neck themselves, but you could fucking ask anyone on the street and they'd tell you GTA V is far better and far more enjoyable. The only people who say GTA IV is better are retards on /v/.
>but they're normies
Neck yourself virgin
>>344828971
>shilling crowbcat
>>344826195
NYC is just a better setting than faggot California. Here hoping GTA 6 is Liberty City again, maybe in a Godfather type mob setting since everyone is lusting for historical games these days
>>344833436
There are about 300 more fun things to do in V compared to IV.
>>344826195
its nostalgia
gta VC released
>gta3 was better
gta SA released
>VC was better
gta4 released
>SA was better
gta5 released
>gta4 was better
gta 6 released
>.....
people are just faggots for the sake of being faggots. If you enjoyed 4 then cool but there is no objective opinion.
Personally I think 4 was average and the driving really made the game shit. If they had of stuck with the tried and tested driving of the series it would have been a 8/10 because the cliche story was complete garbage but the characters themselves were somewhat likeable. The fact the driving was complete trash dropped it to a 6/10 making it the worst gta in my opinion
>>344839993
>Here hoping GTA 6 is Liberty City again
Sould I break it to him, guys?
No, the gunplay of IV is worse.
The missions of IV are the worst in series, they turned GTA into dull crime simulator, while the series had its own style of going for more cfun over realism content, like robbing trains with jetpacks and shit, in IV you drive a slow ass truck for the mob.
>>344826573
Am I in fucking bizarro land?
>better gunplay
Just no. They even removed some of the more fun weapons in GTA games
>better driving
Driving in a GTA game is meant to be casual. It's not a sim, it's supposed to be fun.
>better characters
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Name literally one tolerable character beside Niko. They're all insufferable.
>better missions
They were all the fucking same! V had way more variety
>>344832728
Hey Reddit, how's your summer going?
>>344836752
I think he got that. I believe he was informing you that your implication of the writing being poor by simply saying 'great writing' was not a very good argument, and therefore you're an idiot.
>>344826195
GTA5's story was shit
>>344840563
>The missions of IV are the worst in series
>Do Packie's missions
>They are way too long especially the bank heist mission where you have to escape into a subway tunnel
>No checkpoints so if you fuck up, you have to start the mission over again losing 30+ minutes of progress
I agree. Good thing Red Dead Redemption fixed that problem by adding in checkpoints in the missions which carried over to GTAV.
>>344840029
Elaborate
>>344841571
SA had trip skip so if you failed a mission you wouldn't have to watch cutscenes or drive to the marker again. They didn't have this feature for IV, probably to pad the gameplay length.
>>344826195
I love them both but I don't get how anybody could think GTA4 was better.
>>344826195
>nostalgia
Underage b&
>>344842150
but it did have trip skip. What are you talking about?
>open up GTA IV after 2 years
>4k 60fps on max settings, flawless and barely phases my 970
It's better in every way. I didn't even really like GTA 4.
>>344842326
Anon the game is 8 years old.
>>344842413
>game is notorious for running like complete shit without downloading patches and mods
>it runs perfect on my computer
every time
>>344842486
So?
>>344842572
What you said WAS true 8 years ago. If you still can't run it on high settings, you own a toaster.
>>344842617
How is it underage bait that he said nostalgia is a factor as to why people favor it over Gta V
>>344842759
>implying you dont have the unofficial patches
>>344842809
Retards associate nostalgia with childhood.
>>344830827
>640x480
DAMN NIGGER, UPGRADE YOUR SHIT
>le missions in V are better than IV maymay
Can we stop doing this?
Missions in V mostly heavily scripted and taking player's hand to guide him through. They also are casual as fuck and having some sort of gimmick in it, like torture mission or dock mission in result making those missions a chore to playthrough. I once faied mission because I'd entered a clothes shop, for crying out loud.
>>344842843
No I don't. DESU, I thought it was snake oil back then. I'm serious, you either have a toaster or haven't opened the game in years.
>>344827332
It is, but the only reason people look so fondly on it is cause Rockstar made GTA4 when people wanted more SA, and SR2 was more SA.
gta 4 is better than SA in my opinion SA is just a meme game
>>344827332
Saints Row was king at only ONE point and it was when the first one came out and added HD grafix and ragdoll physics to GTA before IV came out and decimated it in every way but humor.
>>344843275
i didnt get into games when the gta4 hype was on and i hadnt played SA when i played Sr1.
loved it immediatly.
>>344843415
it did jump to the new gen much faster than rockstar.
>>344830031
It's still shit though faggot. It being the best out of a bunch of awful games means nothing.
>>344843032
>literally talks in memes
>want to be taken seriously
>>344844269
I used the abbreviation for "to be honest" and you're apparently not allowed to do that.
