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The Kingdom Hearts games are way better than the Final Fantasy games. Prove me wrong
I can't because you're right.
Anything past the 1st game are shit to average tier.
There.
>>344804030
>>344804162
/thread
>>344803964
I don't know if I'd go that far, KH1? Yeah it's on par with the older Final Fantasy Games. KH2? Maybe anything past FFXII, 358/2? Garbage Fire, even FFXIII had some decent sluts to fap to.
Birth By Sleep only pours gas on the fire and makes the entire story one long line of fucking bullshit.
So you're maybe half right OP, maybe.
>>344804389
2FM is the best game in the series, followed by 1.
>>344804162
>Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix
>Shit
>lol everything after KH 1 is shit meme
Go fuck yourself. KH 2 FM blows KH 1 FM out the fucking water. It's not even up for debate. 2 FM is perfection
>>344804597
Oh yeah, forgot about those. Yeah I'll give it that.
>Kingdom Hearts "games"
I'm gonna stop you right there. I no longer consider something a game when it has a certain thresh-hold of story in it. It becomes a movie at that point. And really, if you want a game that's heavy on "Story" then video games aren't for you.
>>344803964
>Disnep
Kingdom Hearts was one of the first games to appeal to nostalgia for sales. You can thank them for that cancer.
>>344804389
I agree with you there.
Days was a fucking disgrace.
>>344804838
>muh organization 13
>muh darkness
>muh nobodies
>muh keyblade war
>muh critical mode
It went to shit.
>>344805040
It has far more gameplay than cutscenes
You're a faggot and a retard kill yoursef
>>344805040
But KH focuses heavily on gameplay. Literally every new KH game does something new to the gameplay experience. It's actually fresh. No KH game plays the same. It's one of the rare series that can pump out a bunch a games and nobody calls it a rehash because the gameplay is always a new experience
Story is indeed balls to wall retarded as fuck though but I personally find it enjoyable. It's like a car crash, you know it's a horrible but goddamn you can't look away
>>344805345
>>344805494
That's an argument often made with cinematic movie games, but it still doesn't nullify the fact that they put a disgusting amount of emphasis on plot and cutscenes. Pic related, a movie game with "gameplay" that /v/ still unanimously agrees doesn't count as a video game.
In other words, the gameplay stops being gameplay and starts being nothing more than a trolley to bring you to the next cutscene.
>>344805247
>>muh critical mode
Are you using that as a bad thing? Somebody never played KH 2 on Critical Mode. Nobody complains about it because EVERYBODY knows it's perfection
>>344805040
what do you have against a simple story anon?
>>344805247
>muh
>muh
>muh
Wow, great arguments!
>>344805919
>non-interactive cutscene
>invading an interactive medium
Already a crime against the very concept of video GAMES. "Video" is nothing more than an adjective for the GAME, which is the most important part.
We all agree that [Spoiler]2[/Spoiler] has the better opening right?
Final Fantasy has 15 actual games
Kingdom Hearts has 2 full games, and 20 spinoffs for handhelds
>>344806147
>>344806458
And still only 1 good game in the KH series.
>>344806219
I think we can all agree you're a fucking retard.
>>344805608
By that logic you're saying any game that has cutscenes isn't a video game.
>>344806740
Anything with more cutscenes than necessary? Yes, it's a movie game. What do I consider necessary? Anything that isn't directly helping the gameplay. Stuff like Bayonetta's stupid acrobatics and being a sassy bitch. Or Joel and Ellie trying to interact in a world of mushroom zombies while emoting feelings and crying and all the stuff sony loves to see in their AAA blockbusters. Or pretty much any JRPG.
>>344807101
KH is far from a movie game. Holy shit stop talking. You're making yourself look more and more retarded.
Yes it's story heavy but it focuses way more on gameplay. That's the major appeal of KH is the gameplay
>>344803964
KH1 was fun and simple, after that the series turned into a typical Japanese fuckfest of retarded characters and dumb as shit """""plots"""".
>>344807662
>KH is far from a movie game.
Then explain the 4+ hours of cutscenes just in the first game alone. Mind you, they were also completely unskippable in the first release, so for someone like me who didn't know what he was getting into, that was 4 hours of cinematic ugliness being forced onto me. You call that "gameplay"?
>Yes it's story heavy but
I'm sorry friend, but there's no "but" here. IF the gameplay was any good, it wouldn't need that long story in the first place.
>Your player in Unchained X is the only survivor of the Keyblade War
>Everyone you ever knew is dead
Why the series get so fucking depressing and dark?
>>344807930
Because it's a fucking JRPG. JRPGs have stories. Your logic isn't making any sense. That's just like if I bitch about Call of Duty having too much shooting. It's a fucking Shooter. JRPGs focus on story and gameplay. KH focuses on gameplay just as much as it focuses on story.
>IF the gameplay was any good, it wouldn't need that long story in the first place.
Again that's retarded backwards ass logic. So in order for a game to be considered "good" it can't have a story? And one of if not, the biggest selling point of Kingdom Hearts IS the gameplay. Why do you think people circlejerk Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix so much? Because playing on Critical Mode is the defintion of pure fun.
>>344807930
Good news, now you can skip cutscenes in Final Mix and every other KH game, you whiny little bitch.
>>344807957
Did the main story already reach the keyblade wars or is this fanart?
>>344808665
It's a dream/vision
>>344808665
It's from the Browser/Mobile games which are supposed to take place during that time. But that scene looks like it may have been a vision/dream.
>>344808520
>Because it's a fucking JRPG. JRPGs have stories.
Where is the ironclad, unbreakable rule that says that all JRPGs have to have bloated 10 hour stories? It's nothing more than an excuse for devs to pump out fanfiction and then put some weak gameplay in to sell it at 60 bucks a pop.
>So in order for a game to be considered "good" it can't have a story?
IF a game wants a story, it can tell it through the gameplay. Infact, the only good thing about KH2: Final Mix was that they turned the Sora versus Roxas cutscene into an actual boss battle. Tell me, why couldn't they do that for the other 40 hours of cinematics?
>>344803964
2 Final Mix and Birth by Sleep are the only worthwhile games in the series, and even those have problems with padding, empty worlds, horrible stories, shitty missions and uninspired minigames. It usually takes half the game for the combat to really show its stuff too since it's so restricted at the outset.
I like the combat of the games, and I'm going to get 2.8 and 3 because of it, but they're way too much of a mixed bag. I my hate for the shittier parts of the series outweighs the stuff it does right to the point I can barely recommend it at all. I fucking wish they'd take the good mechanics and use them for another series, like a modern Mana game or something else that'd get away from all the tumors clinging to Kingdom Hearts.
Final Fantasy has its duds too but its best games are miles ahead of any Kingdom Hearts game.
>>344808998
>IF a game wants a story, it can tell it through the gameplay
That literally eliminates every single game ever made that has a cutscene. You are not making sense anymore.
>Where is the ironclad, unbreakable rule that says that all JRPGs have to have bloated 10 hour stories?
Since fucking ever. Jesus Christ. You play a JRPG for the stories and for a solid gameplay experience. Lets use Madden for example this time. Using your logic, I'm going to bitch that Madden is about football instead of basketball. It's virtually known that Madden is a football game NOT a basketball game. Same with JRPGs. It's virtually known that JRPGs have intriguing stories that sucks the players in and also satisfying gameplay that's just as rewarding as the story itself
> Infact, the only good thing about KH2: Final Mix was that they turned the Sora versus Roxas cutscene into an actual boss battle. Tell me, why couldn't they do that for the other 40 hours of cinematics?
Utter bullshit. KH 2 FM added 20 new boss fights (14 fucking superboss fights, 5 secret boss fights and the new boss fight between Sora and Roxas). Plus it added a new scavenger hunt side quest, new abilities, a new form and new Keyblades. And guess what? ALL those listed ENHANCES the gameplay experience. Please give up now.
>>344808665
New story update in Kingdom Hearts chi. We also find out the origin of Master Xehanort's Keyblade
Who hyped?
>>344811041
I mean, I am. But I have fun with the KH games.
>>344811041
bretty hype for Aqua mindbreak :^)
Will her suffering finally end?
Eh, Final Fantasy is typically meant to be experimental in one way or another whether it be some batshit story element or a new way of managing stats and skills. Kingdom Hearts, from what I've heard and seen, looks like a grand story spanning across many games, which is honestly pretty neat. However, since the gameplay in the first KH game is hot fucking GARBAGE, I'll never know for sure. But there are lots of KH fans so I kind of just believe 'em when they say the other games are good.
In short: yeah it's probably a better series.
>>344811041
>KH II REMIX 2.6.2 ULTRA KEYMASTER FINAL UNLOCK CHAPTER PROLOGUE
This series died after the first game.
>>344812374
No it didn't.
>>344807930
>If the gameplay was good you wouldnt need story
Yes thats exactly how it works folks, having a good story and having good gameplay are literally mutually exclusive. You cannot I repeat CANNOT have both. Tis impossible.
*Tips Trilby*
Why is Back Cover so gorgeous?
KH2FM is better than every Final Fantasy game but disregarding it, it varies back and forth with some FF games being better than some KH games and vice versa.
>>344805247
>antagonists that are far more menacing and threatening overall than any of KH1's enemies, save for maybe Heartless Xehanort himself
>Enemy designs that are better and tougher than their heartless counterparts
>citing a war that isn't even brought up in KH2
>citing critical mode as a bad thing
>>344804162
>>344804389
But KH1 is one of the worst KH games. KH2 FM at the very least is mechanically superior in every way. Bosses have more attacks. Your combos actually change as you progress through the game. The game got rid of the awful platforming segments of KH1.
>>344812374
No
Chain of Memories and IIFM are both superior to 1. Chain of Memories has the best story in the series, and IIFM has the best combat in the series. CoM's combat is also still better than 1's since it involves more strategy.
>>344812923
>not putting Tactics after 7 where it belongs and instead using Shit of the Lions
>not liking Tactics
Kill yourself fampai.
>Final Fantasy
>Donald Duck and Goofy
Literally what
I never played any of these games
>>344813515
Have you been under a rock for the last 10+ years?
>>344813023
>IIFM
I totally agree
>Chain of Memories
Let's not get too hasty now. Yes CoM has the best story but the combat, while I applaud it for trying to be new and fresh, it just didn't work. Most of the time, it felt like a chore playing but the story was so great that it makes you continue playing
>>344812065
KH is a grand story but a terribly written one.
People will often say it's confusing but it's really just pointlessly bloated and runs on stupidity.
The series' strength is combat, which does improve a lot after KH1, but you gotta sift through so much crap to get to it.
>>344813515
Its a series by Square Enix with its own original story that heavily uses Disney characters throughout as part of its story as you travel through different Disney worlds solving problems that help you solve the overarching goal of the series. Along with this, Final Fantasy characters make cameos throughout, oftentimes even having some important parts to play in the plot of KH games.
>>344813515
Now is a perfect time to marathon the series. All you need is a PS3 for now and get a PS4 in Decemeber
>>344814116
I'd buy these if they got ported together for PS4 as a two disc set.
>>344813661
Re:CoM had the best combat imo.
The only downside is that takes long to level up.
>>344805608
>/v/ unanimously agrees TLoU isn't a game.
But that's wrong you fucking retard. Also why would you consider something to be fact just because it's the consensus on /v/?
>>344805040
I would spit on your face because of how the way your brain is so fucking idiotically programmed to think like this. You dumb motherfucking piece of shit. I fucking hate faggots like you.
>>344813661
To be honest, I didn't care for GBA CoM, but the PS2 version seemed all right. It didn't play much differently from KH1 (other than having encounters). It just locked all attacks and abilities behind cards, so you had to figure out the best combination of cards to have when facing tougher enemies. It was somewhat dull and tedious at times, but I felt it added more depth to combat beyond the dodging/blocking/timing of attacks that the game had beforehand.
>>344814443
That's actually a possibility
>>344806458
KH has no spin-offs, only side stories that actually matter, unlike FF.
>>344815179
>only side stories that actually matter, unlike FF.
Most FF games are a totally new story and cast, what are you getting at here?
>KH has no spin-offs
The developers themselves have called the handheld games spinoffs.
>>344803964
>no random encounters
>>344814834
lol
>>344815373
The handheld games are not spinoffs, and if you think for one minute you'll be able to play KHIII without having played DDD, BBS, or 0.2: A Fragmentary Passage, you're in for a rude awakening.
>>344815373
No they didn't. They are side games.
>>344814116
but I don't want a PS4 anon
are there decentROMsfor it?
>>344803964
1 and 2 are for sure. Especially 1.
>>344815562
They're budget games on a small scale for handheld systems with experimental gameplay that's different from the core console titles and aren't considered main installments by the developers, often without the lead character himself being playable.
They're spinoffs by definition. Being a part of the series' overall narrative, in the most minuscule of ways as far as Coded is concerned, doesn't change that fact.
I feel like playing through the series again. When I booted up 1FM, I found I had a save up to Atlantica on normal, but I've already beaten it on normal. Should I start over on Proud? How hard is it? Comparable to 2 on Critical?
>>344812923
>likes 8 but not 4 or 9
>liking Crisis Core at all
>>344816114
>Should I start over on Proud? How hard is it? Comparable to 2 on Critical?
Yes. It's a challenge but if you actually think then you can handle it. 2 Critical Mode is both more challenging and more fun but Proud 1 FM is still enjoyable
>>344805608
>"gameplay"
Are you perhaps implying that the gameplay of a narrative-driven game is, in fact, not gameplay at all?
>>344816470
What's wrong with Crisis Core? I thought it was generally well loved.
>>344816774
>>344812596
Notice he gave up because he realized how retarded he is
>>344808998
>IF a game wants a story, it can tell it through the gameplay.
This is incredibly limiting as a method of storytelling
Unless you want to believe that the "walk with an NPC while the rest of your control is wrested from you for story" trend is gameplay and not a thinly-veiled cutscene.
>>344816942
>gackt slot machine simulator
>well loved
>>344816942
The gameplay is clunky as shit, controls like ass and is cluttered with pointless gimmicks which are more annoying than fun. The story is just some 13 year old's FF7 fanfic complete with OC donutsteels except given a multimillion dollar budget.
It's only loved by KH babbies who want to pretend they know shit about FF7 while putting up with below-mediocre ARPG gameplay.
>>344803964
No.
KH Games
>Everything after 1 is utter shit
>confusing and ridiculous story that's literally impossible to follow without looking at wikis or an hour long YouTube video
>games on multiple platforms that go into future/past, further diluting the shitty storyline
FF games
>Every game is it's own adventure
>separate worlds with stories that make sense
>only some games that veered off from the main systems
>>344816942
>>344816470
the ending was the only good part.
and the whole "you can see the ff7 remake trailer if you beat it like this" was cool that they added it.
>>344817323
>confusing and ridiculous story that's literally impossible to follow without looking at wikis or an hour long YouTube video
What don't you understand anon?
>>344817424
And even the ending was totally fucked up.
>>344817323
>impossible to follow
LITERALLY impossible, just like every Dark Souls boss
>>344817323
>>confusing and ridiculous story that's literally impossible to follow without looking at wikis or an hour long YouTube video
Or, you know, playing the games.
>>344817323
>>Everything after 1 is utter shit
It's like you want me to completely disregard your opinon
>>344817323
All these people who think 1 is better than 2FM confuse me so.
You didn't like that 2 removed the annoying as fuck emphasis on 3D platforming that 1 had? You don't like that 2's bosses had more attacks than 1? You don't like that 2 gave you more attack options, from Drive forms to reaction commands? You don't like how 2 actually made your attacks develop and change throughout the game, rather than doing almost the same combos in the beginning of the game at endgame like 1 did? You don't like that 2 FM was balanced to be beatable at level 1? You don't like that 2FM lacks RNG?
>story is impossible to follow
Ayy lmao
Its a clusterfuck but its a clusterfuck that explains itself well.
>>344817323
Aqua > Skuld > Kairi > Namine > Larxene > Olette > Xion
Prove me wrong. You can't
I more hyped for KH 2.8 than I am for Final Fantasy XV
>>344817323
>>confusing and ridiculous story that's literally impossible to follow
yeah if you're stupid
>>344818735
Who is this qt?
>>344820743
Skuld from KH chi
>>344820743
Skuld
>>344803964
>Final Fantasy IV
>Final Fantasy V
>Final Fantasy VI
>Final Fantasy XII
>Final Fantasy Tactics
Should I continue?
>>344821448
12 sucked
People forget that KH1FM added a lot of abilities that changes the combat up. It isn't just tapping x anymore in kh1fm
>>344817965
>emphasis on 3D platforming
There really wasn't that much platforming, plus I found it fun when the levels were more vertical. KH2 is flat, but it's okay because the combat is so good.
The ultimate ranking:
KH 2 Final Mix > FF 7 > FF 6 > FF 9 > KH 1 FM > FF 5 > FF 10 > KH Birth by Sleep FM > FF 4 > KH Re:Coded >FF 12 > KH Dream Drop Distance > 8 > KH Re:Chain of Memories > FF 1 > FF 3 > KH Unchained X >>> shit >>>> 358/2 Days >>>> FF 13 >>>> FF 2
>>344821601
>It isn't just tapping x anymore in kh1fm
Yeah it is. The new abilities nade the game significantly easier.
>>344803964
Kingdom Hearts basically is just part of the FF series anyway isnt it? It's basically an ARPG spinoff I thought?
>>344822752
Maybe once upon a time, but KH is definitely its own separate franchise by now.
>>344817323
>KH Games
>Confusing and ridiculous story that's literally impossible to follow without looking at wikis
I'll admit it's rather ridiculous looking back on it, but how the fuck does one manage to get confused about the story line?
>>344819364
>being hyped for a remaster of KH: Pokemon edition, KH3: Ground Zeroes and a movie
>>344823149
And yet still looks better than XV
>>344823362
Can we not do this? I don't want this thread to get awful.
>>344817323
Kingdom Heart's story isn't confusing. It's just bloated. If you went confusion go watch Evangelion.
>>344823149
As opposed to being hyped for Final Fantasy XV: Ground Zeroes: The Movie, Final Fantasy XV: Pinball Zeroes: The Mobile Game and Final Fantasy XV: Ground Ten Years In Development
>>344823362
DDD was kinda shit, I don't have any opinion about Back Cover anyway since I don't play X and 0.2 will likely be an hour or two long at most. That said, KH3 does look better than XV but I'm keeping my expectations for that low.
>>344823534At least XV-kun isn't here.
>>344823634
>At least XV-kun isn't here.
Yet. I'm sure the XV mention is enough to draw him here.
>>344817323
>separate worlds with stories that make sense
That is debatable as some entries may be more confusing than others, however I will stay that the FF's entries are better written than KH's entries.
>this entire thread
Kingdom Hearts is yaoi faggot shit and everyone wears clown shoes.
>>344803964
KH and KH: CoM are pretty good.
FF IV, VIII and IX are outstanding, FF VII and tactics advance are pretty good.
So I think FF wins.
>>344806219
Yes, it's perfect. I used to watch it every day. I relly love it.
>>344824160
Fuck off retard.
>>344824160
Nobody cares furfag.
