What went wrong?
Nothing. GOTY
no poise
they fixed everything with ds2 but threw out good animations and good slow combat, then they reversed all the fixes in ds2 for ds3, made the combat even faster for some reason, and just added ds1 animations again
they are such obvious hacks making quick money off demons souls and ds1 popularity, but everyone was kinda alright with it because they were kinda fun games, but now that the heat is finally dying down, people will start to see that dark souls 1 was the last good game by miyahacki
Level design and progression was terrible
A lot of things just straight up didn't work properly
Invested more in nostalgia pandering and fanservice than good design on its own
A complete and utter disappointment after BB was so great
Demon souls=Ds1>ds2>ds3
Bloodborne is not there because not souls.
>R1 Spam
>Dex builds > everything else
>Invasions turn into a 4v1
>Invader is gimped 75% hp and half estus flasks against 4v1 gank mobs
>Every weapon is it's own 'unique butterfly'. Turns certain weapons into unstoppable killing machines, and others into a complete joke.
PvE is good though.
>Estus chugging
>
Terrible levels, no atmosphere, forgettable bosses. And that's just the pve, pvp is a complete disaster at every turn.
>>344803101
We're talking about DaS3, not DaS2 :^)
>>344803158
ohhh
too linear
>>344803158
DaS2 pvp was great outside of soul memory though.
>>344803158
His post can be applied to both games.
>>344802982
>Ds2>Ds3
You can't even get a decent speedrun out of Ds2, barely feels like a souls game at all
>>344803158
>ds2 pvp
>disaster
hmmm
>>344803158
Not him, DS3 has some awful levels, there's literally no good Invasion spots where one could get lost in a winding hellhole and then get dunked from above. It's all linear shit, Anor Londo, and the Swamp.
There's VERY few enemies overall and the game just feels empty and forgotten.
The bosses are pretty good, disagree with that guy.
And yeah, PvP is awful in 3.
2 had a variety of interesting areas that felt different and bustling/not void.
The bosses are forgettable as shit, but the level designNot enemy placementis really good.
>>344803424
>You have to be able to speedrun a Souls game for it to be a Souls game
Also, video related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyzsSbwzw6s
>>344803085
This
Also hornet ring bullshit (though I'm not a R1 spammer) and the game was lacking the cool areas, something like the sewers or Blighttown or the gulch in DS2.
It was too linear and most bosses were boring.
>>344801581
I have so much trouble with games like these.
I guess it's because I don't fall in line with the whole male power fantasy thing, which most games are geared towards. You know, being a murderous drone with no real identity beyond your killcount. That sort of thing. I just can't do it. And that's a shame, because often I will enjoy the lore and the world.
Put me in front of wildlife or even a dragon and ask me to kill it, though, and I'll feel sadness. I can't help myself. All I see are other creatures trying to survive, and the levels of Freudian in killing a dragon do me in. I mean, it's almost like a rebellious youth thing, isn't it? The dragon is a representation of a person with power, authority, wisdom, intellect, and knowledge -- it's literally an avatar of what it means to be an elder.
>>344803564
That's basically what I was implying, and I didn't realize they had a good speedrun for this game thanks, I will enjoy watching now shill
>>344801581
It's fun, but blues should have an orb and not be reliant on other people equipping a covenant, while reds shouldn't be at such horrid disadvantages so often. More content would help too - Bloodborne there was usually always stuff to do because of gems, stuff to do in Demon's Souls because of tendency. Not so much in DS3.
>>344803847
No problem faggot. Took 2 seconds in Google. :^)
>>344802570
Bloodborne objectively is a good game.
>>344802570
Bloodborne was good
>>344803350
His post can be (incorrectly) applied to any game because it's the same buzzwords and fluff everybody wrongly regurgitates about every game in the Souls series.
Oh I forgot PvP is a game of parry fishing and who has the most critical damage on their weapon.
>poise doesn't work
>armor does jack shit.
PvE was good though...
The contrarian faggtry in this thread is amazing.
>>344802551
EVERY TIME
>>344802759
>Level design and progression was terrible
Elaborate?
>A lot of things just straight up didn't work properly
Are you refering to covenants? If so than I agree but woud argue its' predecessors weren't much if any better. IF not, explain what.
>>344803085
>R1 Spam
A scrub staple in the series. in PVE it's become less effective since you have no poise to face tank through light weapon r1 spam against poised enemies and in PVP it's easily counterable in a number of ways.
>Dex builds > everything else
If we're talking about the power gap between dex and str builds then this is literally the smallest it's ever been. Only game in the series you can make the argument str is superior. At least in PVP.
In PVE everything is viable cause cpu.
>Invasions turn into a 4v1
git gud
>Invader is gimped 75% hp and half estus flasks against 4v1 gank mobs
same
>Every weapon is it's own 'unique butterfly'. Turns certain weapons into unstoppable killing machines, and others into a complete joke.~
Like the other games didn't have "useless weapons". Actually, barring a few odd harry's, the weapon classes are pretty well balanced , all things considered. Again, at least PVP. PVE everything's viable
>>344803101
Oh, as opposed to all those memorable and perfect bosses in DaS1 and 2!
Make no mistake, DaS1 is still my favorite,but let's not pretend it was perfect.
And the PVP is the best it's ever been. Not arguable.
>>344801581
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgnsx3dgx1I
>>344803470
>Not enemy placement
Enemy placement in 2 is the best in the series. If you don't like being ambushed or forced to approach each situation carefully then you don't like the Souls series and have no business speaking up.
>>344803470
>no good Invasion spots where one could get lost in a winding hellhole and then get dunked from above
Smouldering lake and Archives.
You are welcome.
-felt like a rehash. It lacked all the "wow" moments the other games gave, because there isn't al lot of new things
-most of the levels felt like a chore to get through
-enemies feel like they're designed for a different game
-weapon arts feel useless on most weapons
-bad pvp (decent co-op)
-subjective, but I didn't care about the story at all. I found it hard to care/get involved in. Didn't seem there was a whole lot there to be honest.
>>344803603
Hornet ring is barely used anymore in PvP, unless you are talking invasions. In which case it is appropriately OP.
>>344801581
>make game based around fast combat (straight swords)
>everything else is weak in comparison
>magic is shit
>faith is shit
>mechanics from bloodborne and ds2 were left out
>invasions are always gank fests
I wanna be a Hexer, but it's too much work, too much late game shit.
>>344804331
Fromdrone pls
>>344804706
Dark magic sucks dick in DS3 bruh.
>>344804908
Waiting for a patch!
>>344802759
You must be such a good game dev/ designer to call ds3 level design 'terrible'.
>>344804475
Irithyll Dungeon is alright too
>>344804708
HURR FROMDRONE DURR
>>344804993
A patch won't change the fact that dark magic in particular and magic in general are absolutely terrible outside multis PvP. Anyone with a brain can roll through hundreds of spells in a row.
>>344805150
t. Software
there are some problems, but pvp faggots are assmad the game wasnt catered to them.
>>344801581
no news of dlc
>>344805150
Fromdrone
Pls.
>>344803775
You dont deserve a reply, but the bait was elaborated so...there you go:
What a pile of shit, fag.
Personally like DS3 better than BB, even though BB was much more challenging.
>>344805417
The PvE isn't rewarding very long either. They should've taken a hint from Bloodborne on how to extend PvE values beyond a couple speed-runs.
>>344802276
i agree
>>344801581
Teleporting.
It felt like it didnt do anything new and instead just relied on the series name more than anything.
>>344804443
you mean approach each situation with a bow and poison arrows? its just hoards of shit enemies with bad animations and AI.
pic related
>>344805989
this
>>344803775
i cant tell if this is bait or you are by far the biggest faggot to ever post on here.
>>344806132
lest us not forget the room full of statues with the rune sentinels behind the doors.
Guys DS3 is a good game, yeah some PvP fights are shit, but if it wasnt the third part of a series and had decent new gen graphics yall would say its crazy.
I cant wait to read all your complains about new Final Fantasy.
I bet you didnt like MGS V .
>>344802276
First post best post.
>No poise
>less metroidvania
Honestly i love this game and i love how fast everything is, including you, compared to the other two games. These are my only complaints
1. No poise. Not only that but they lied and said it was working as intended and only JUST THIS WEEK FINALLY ADMITTED they were wrong all along.
2. Why are all the people just sitting there at the firelink shrine at the beginning waiting for you? It seems kinda forced and not explained very well.
3. The game seems a lot shorter than the previous two titles. Im hoping the DLC is a lot longer
>>344803775
Hurts my spirit too brah
>>344803158
DaS2 is the best Souls game
Prove me wrong
>inb4 le elevator
>>344804087
This, I've literally never been summoned as a blue. If blues had an orb this wouldn't be an issue but now I've gotta farm for hours on end
>>344804153
>>344804234
riiight
>>344806623
>>344806928
Ceaseless Discharge
>>344806578
>JUST THIS WEEK FINALLY ADMITTED they were wrong all along.
Source?
>>344801581
I played Bloodborne before it, so I was ultimately let down every step of the way expecting similar greatness
Bloodborne 2 fucking when
>>344801581
It was "hey remember that cool thing about DS1? IT'S BACK XD": the game.
>>344807175
>Bloodborne 2 fucking when
hopefully never
dont fuck it up with sequels like das
>>344802551
Poise exists.
Just only during hyper armour.
More Poise = More times you can use hyper armour
Less poise = Hyper armour still there, except you can't use it as often and you have to wait for your "Poise" to come back.
Some guy on Gamefaqs finally put the debate to a rest.
Poise really only matters if you SOLELY ABUSE hyper armour all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQor3Jk4K_s&feature=youtu.be
>>344806928
this is why I'll never replay ds2
>>344806623
All of the gank bosses suck in the game, too many of the bosses are easy, areas for the most part are shit.
There's a few good ones. ds1, had better bosses, areas were much better for the most
part. The only thing two did better was pvp and if that's your thing than go for it.
>>344807136
http://kotaku.com/dark-souls-3-dev-regrets-how-they-handled-the-games-con-1783132878
Too short, too linear, most weapons are useless, R2s are garbage, armor is useless
>>344807261
But I want trick weapons expanded on
I want to craft and workshop my own trick weapons, combine a scythe and whip and shit
>>344802570
>then they reversed all the fixes in ds2
what fixes?
The WOW factor for the franchise dissipated
>>344801581
>extremely linear
>poise turned off
>incredibly aggressive and fast enemies straight from Bloodborne without giving the player character the same agility from said game, game balance has an extreme bias towards fast, light weapons like straight swords
>powerstancing removed in favor of weapon arts, which are cool but mostly useless
>magic is the worst it's ever been
>did absolutely nothing new, only relying on "HEY GUYS REMEMBER THIS THING FROM DAS1?"
>pvp is the worst it's ever been, the odds are VERY heavily stacked toward a host who gets more health, more (impossible-to-punish) chugs and can summon as many people as he wants
>>344805989
>you mean approach each situation with a bow and poison arrows?
It's not the game's fault you picked the most tedious way to play it. Those mammoths in particular are so slow that it's embarrassing if you can't fight them at the same time -- you could at least have picked the ruin sentinels or something.
And if you do get hit, that's why there's extra healing items but I assume you'll complain about those too.
>>344807712
didnt play it i see
>>344807756
>magic is the worst it's ever been
That's not DeS senpai. Also enemies aren't that fast or aggressive at all. They're very predictable and easy to deal with with very few exceptions.
>>344807403
People forget that a lot of the bosses from DaS1 are forgettable (oh boy another demon reskin), shitty gimmicks (Seath and Witch of Izalith) or come at the end of shitty areas (Nito). The only actually memorable fights that people talk about is O&S and the DLC fights (and about how easy it is to cheese Gwyn).
I'd much rather have another dude in armor than some lazy demon.
>>344807843
I played DaS2. I noticed no major improvements except they streamlined weapon upgrading.
>>344808070
>That's not DeS senpai.
I'm guessing you haven't played Demon Souls.
>>344807648
>3 L1s don't stagger
>1 L2 staggers
I don't understand.
Uchi L2 is really good at poking regardless, but it's so safe to use.
>>344808070
>Road of Sacrifices
>Irithyll
nah nigga
>>344808140
>running firestorm
From needs to take the hosts' dick out of their ass. It's fucking stupid that they encourage shitters like this.
Hosts should pay the price for unplugging on invaders. It also fucks over their phantoms who want a covenant reward. There's no reason to pander to a demographic that already gave you their money and cares little about the actual game.
>>344808140
Only good magic in DeS was second chance and then firestorm cheese shit. And weapon enchants, which are good in literally every Souls game.
>>344808240
You kill the first shaman in Road of Sacrifices before the mooks do anything. You run past the second with no danger. You can kill any given one of the bird shits before it transforms at all.
Irithyll just fucking hit them or parry. They stagger easily and their moves have huge parry windows. Git gud.
>>344808103
I agree with you, honestly people dick ride Ds1 alot, I still feel that it's better than 2 due to how shit most of the bosses in 2 are but 1 still had a lot of issues.
>>344806578
>3. The game seems a lot shorter than the previous two titles. Im hoping the DLC is a lot longer
It isn't. Das first go was 70hrs, but that's because it was my first and I had no idea what I was doing. Second was 40hrs doing everything. DaS2 was 50hrs. DaS3 was also 50hrs. I don't know if you sped through the game or what but if you played it the way you did the previous games, the playtime should be comparable.
>>344808390
You get softbanned if you plug out too much retard.
>>344807838
Yes the enemy placement encourages you to use cheap tactics. The path to velstadt is a prime example. It's not creative or engaging and it certainly doesn't require any new tactics or special thinking. It's just lazy and unfun. DaS2 has the worst enemy placement in the series and Sotfs didn't fix this, it's still shit.
>>344808894
It takes 20 fucking times, and you get another 20 more on that character with the White Circlet.
>>344808191
I mean L.
>>344808965
It doesn't take fucking 20 times.
>>344808945
>he doesn't know how to fight multiple spread-out enemies
Literally get good, those big armor dudes are easy as fuck and have no health
>>344808545
>Only good magic in DeS was second chance and then firestorm cheese shit.
Move those goalposts. First you say magic is weaker than in DS3, then you admit that magic is overpowered.
Then you forget about flame toss and soul arrow, which, considering you have effectively unlimited mp, are incredibly strong.
DeS is the reason why magic has been considered easy mode until this game.
>>344801581
It's too short. Even BB without the DLC is longer.
>>344809065
My uncle works for From and I think he knows a thing or two, chump.
>>344809156
>missing the point
>>344807261
This
As much as I want a sequel I don't want the bloodborne name to be ruined
Plus I'm pretty sure miyazaki said he wouldn't work on any more souls games
>>344805989
You can parry those elephants easily.
>>344808945
>Yes the enemy placement encourages you to use cheap tactics
Shooting things with arrows from far away has always been the most effective yet tedious tactic in the souls series.
Actually doing and then complaining about it isn't valid. At best you can complain that the game is too difficult for you.
>The path to velstadt is a prime example.
The ghosts don't even aggro if you run along the outside. Are you the same idiot from earlier who complained he couldn't finish the game because of this section?
>>344808945
>and Sotfs didn't fix this
SotfS made it worse
>>344809351
>complaining whenever more than two enemies are on the screen
>>344809209
Huh? Are you retarded? Someone said "magic is the worst it's ever been" when - newsflash - DeS magic sucked more dick. Two non-shit spells, and only one of them actually actively did something instead of being a passive "lol I'm back to half health" buff.
They sucked dick. You couldn't hit a player for the life of you, and they couldn't kill bosses at high speeds like magic can in all the other DaS games.
It was just consistent ranged cheese in PvE - not good and worse than literally all the other souls games. Get fucked stay fucked cocksucker.
>>344807271
It works like it used to for NPCs though. You can enable it for your character with simple changing 0 to 1 in game file.
>>344801581
>Speed of the game is too high
>Poise
>Linear
>Too much copy pasta from DS1
>Only 2 NPC quest lines.
>PVP meta is shit
>Magic is useless
>>344809548
>Get fucked stay fucked cocksucker.
lol he's mad
>>344809574
That's probably the switch to keep Hyper Armour "Active" the entire time.
Meaning that switch flicks when you swing certain weapons and it checks how much Poise you have to grant you said hyper armour.
From switching that form 0 to 1 it might just force it to do it ALL the time.
>>344809548
>they couldn't kill bosses at high speeds like magic can in all the other DaS games.
Absolutely confirmed for not playing it.
>>344809650
Sayonara my baka senpai desu.
>>344807271
If your poise >0.0 you get hyper armor no matter what
do you have a vitality of 6 or greater? great! you have positive poise value. So long as you wear clothes (which you always are) you will always have positive poise regardless
Hyper armor has nothing to do with poise so long as you have positive poise
>>344809780
Hundreds of hours. More than you~
All DaS games magic kills bosses faster~
is bloodborne good?
The atmosphere in general is pretty boring. Same colors everywhere and everything is wet and muddy. But what killed the game for me were the uninspired boss battles. Way too many swordsmen, and Vort and Ocerious are virtually identical.
Aldritch, Storm King + Dragon, and tree boss were the best imo. Twin Princes get notable mentions because of the cool lore behind them, but again its another swordsman fight so they dont get into my favorites.
Its still a good game, but it doesnt hold a candle to 1. 3 is the smash 4 of the series, wheras 1 is melee and 2 is brawl.
>>344809892
Watch the video.
>>344809959
yes
>>344809909
There's a reason DeS speed runs use magic and DS3 speed runs use straight swords.
>>344809065
From what i can tell people do it all the time and there is very little punishment handed out. EVERY SINGLE TIME i have been invaded the person disconnected before i could kill them
EVERY SINGLE TIME
if there was punishment this would not be the case
>>344806994
A few instances of shit hit boxes VS dozens of instances.
Just fuck off with the Ceaseless Discharge shit.
in NG+ do I have to quit and reload to have that one guy draw out my true power?
>>344804527
>-enemies feel like they're designed for a different game
A game called bloodborne. I had a ton of trouble playing a heavy weapons character for my first playthrough, and that shouldnt happen in a souls game.
>>344810310
>le 80 ADP webms
>>344810101
Because magic sucks dick early and you can't move while you're casting in DaS3, while you can hit most DeS bosses from complete safety with no risk and/or while they'd normally be unhittable with melee.
Give up.
>>344810108
People who "do it all the time" get softbanned, it's just that lots of people play the game and lots of people do it sparsely.
>>344810328
You need to keep dying.
>>344809986
>3 is the smash 4 of the series, wheras 1 is melee and 2 is brawl.
>tfw DeS is Smash 64 and BB is Project M
Why does this make so much sense.
>>344805989
literally git gud
>>344801581
No pvp if you kill the area boss.
>>344810480
but I read that your deaths keep on NG+ in regards to that guy.
>>344810383
>ADP
one thing I am glad is gone in DaS3
>>344810430
>while you can hit most DeS bosses from complete safety with no risk
So you agree magic is good. You can 2-4 shot most bosses with no risk of getting hit, and I'm not talking about firestorm.
>>344810601
no
your hollowing stays
but the cause of them, the dark sigils, are reset on new game cycles
>>344810310
>literally happens with only these giants
>dozens
fuck off shitty fromdrone
>>344810486
>>tfw DeS is Smash 64 and BB is Project M
Precisely! You get it. It shouldnt make this much sense but it does.
>>344810750
yeah, I cured the dark sigils on my first run.
and the NPC keeled over at some point
>>344809493
>giant straight ass hallway with a billion copy pasted big dudes with swords that all aggro at once
>good enemy placement
choose one
this is literally every fucking level in DaS2
>>344810660
No, it's worse than all the other Souls games. ALL other games magic is better, *ESPECIALLY* in PvP. Which is pathetic to say, because magic sucks dick in PvP in all the other Souls games too.
The fact that bosses in DeS have retarded AI and that they have way more "lol I can be hit with melee right now" phases does not make magic better, it makes the bosses retarded.
I am not a better football player by virtue of you being a spineless pasty loser yet being paired off against me.
>>344809959
Not really, no.
The fact that it's an exclusive should give you the answer right away.
My dream game at this point is for From to make a Soulsborne game that takes place in an ancient Eastern universe. They seem to be going into the speedy direction anyway so Eastern styled game would be perfect because of fast samurais, ninjas and monks. Hopefully From can cut the emo mopey sad atmopshere crap and make the game more colorful like Dark Souls 1.
>>344809959
Yes. Very. Gems were a good idea.
>>344811074
>backpedaling this hard.
Did I say it was good? I was just pointing out that your complaints were for the entirely wrong reasons and could only be made by someone bad at the game.
>>344811098
You yourself literally just said magic in DS3 sucks and that magic in DeS was better. Do you need me to quote you?
DaS > DaS 3 > BB > DaS 2 > DeS
>>344811098
>I am not a better football player by virtue of you being a spineless pasty loser yet being paired off against me.
But that's exactly how it works, you idiot. If magic is relatively the most powerful thing in the game, then it's powerful. It's not like you can lift a character out of Dark Souls and have him PvP a Demon Souls character.
>>344803775
I want to kill a dragon now.
>>344811478
Please do. I'll quote myself too ;)
>>344808070
DeS magic being abusable against many bosses doesn't make magic good - like the football player analogy, it just establishes the opponent sucks giant cock. Magic in all other games is better, but still sucks dick.
I'll repeat it again - DeS has the worst magic in all the Souls games bar none.
>>344811927
Here:
>Because magic sucks dick early and you can't move while you're casting in DaS3
Just give it to me straight here so everyone can see how ridiculous you sound.
You are saying that magic in DS3 -- where you deal piss damage for a huge stamina cost after which you run out of FP after a handful of shots -- is stronger than magic in DeS -- where you have unlimited mana and can 2-4 shot most bosses let alone regular enemies.
>>344811680
It's not "the most powerful". Take the blueblood sword or dragon bone smasher and you'll do more quicker. You jsut can't be a retard and stand motionless behind a pillar - a better player does better than you afk retarding it up.
>>344812146
>Take the blueblood sword or dragon bone smasher and you'll do more quicker.
But that is objectively false, as I already told you. There is a reason why speed runners use magic and it's not because its safe -- speed runners don't need safe strats on a 40 minute game -- it's because it's fast.
>>344812340
>>344812146
And really if you were correct, you've only proven that magic is just the 3rd most powerful thing in the game, contrary to what you are claiming.
>>344812139
>where you deal piss damage
l e l
Someone's never made a proper mage build.
In regular NG in any DaS vs pure white tendency in any DeS (which is what you're comparing, since only in that shit are you 2-4 shotting most bosses in DeS), a decked out mage kills the bosses faster in *ANY* DaS game than in DeS. DaS shit-piss magic is thus better than shit-piss DeS magic. And that's not even talking about *ACTUAL* content in NG+'s/black tendency.
>>344812480
>>344812480
It's "fast" because bosses have phases where you can't fucking hit them with melee, where you can with magic, not because magic has higher dps - because it objectively doesn't. Given that, it's faster to build mage and afk spam behind pillars and up on ledges than to make a melee build and wait out the stupid shit. Git gud.
> no need to explore , few sets of armor in the levels are long sword is the best weapon
> the levels are mostly linear paths
Worst of the souls series but it's still better then 90% crap out there
>>344811632
BB > DaS > DeS > DaS 3 > Shit > Fallout 4 > DaS2
Ds1>Sotfs=bb>ds2<ds3
Rolling isn't punished worth a damn. Can spam roll like 10 times in a row and still have room for a swing or parry.
>>344807680
You think FromSoft will be able to pull that off without breaking the game to pieces?
They tried to combine the combat of dark souls with the enemy mechanics from bloodborne and it ends up with you getting ganked even in PVE by enemies that move at the speed of light
>>344801581
not much.
BB>>>>>DS1=DS3=DeS>>>>flaming dog shit>>>scholar>>>>>>the holocaust>>>>>>>>DS2
with the DLC, DaS3 will surpass DaS1.
this is almost certain. screencap this
>>344813880
>screencap this
fuck off reddit
>>344813628
the amount of enemies that have a dodge move piss me off so hard
the lizard thieves, dogs, carthus throwing knife skeletons, fuck em all
>>344813880
>screencap this milquetoast prediction g-guys
>>344801581
fucked up poise and weapon balance which pretty much promotes extremely cookie cutter builds and fits.
Armor is so useless the defense and damage reduction difference between the knights armor and havels armor is so little it'll matter insignificantly in PVP which is why no one runs it
poise being fucked up means every time you get hit you always get hit twice by an opponent because stunning is bullshit
>>344813113
>mfw a dark sword did 3 times as much DPS as an ultra greatsword
>greatsword fags cried for days that their swords were really good and better than the darksword
>>344801581
R1 Spam.
Content withheld for dlc.
>>344804331
>the inability to combo ever isn't a detriment to the souls series
LEL EVERY TIME LELE ELELEL
Fuck yoursefl faggot.
>>344806928
god what a turd this game was.
>>344807374
same
>>344807756
it would be so easy to fix the chug spam. just make it so that if hit while chugging the refill cancels and the damage is given starting from before he started chugging. simple. but nooooooooooooooooo
>>344812497
>proper mage build
theres one fucking mage build in the game, they all use the same clothes and rings. They all use the same spells because theres only a handful of spells that actually hit and aren't slow as shit.
been playin DS3 since it came out and haven't seen one pyromancer or miracle user outside of the fringe sacred oath (that really only DR's for 3%) and shit. Everyone is using flash sword, everyone is using that fucking crown, everyone is using the same staff
Every projectile spell is fucking useless because you can't hit anyone with it, the projectiles are slow, they have no splash damage, they are easy to spot on a wind up, they take forever to cast even with rings and you simply roll through them and they ALL miss
Best boss design in the base game of any in the series, some level design later in the game was a bit lacking. PvP not that great, no poise, very little weapon variety. Covenants are bad. It's only real upside is the great boss design but that's about as far as it goes.
>>344814525
I'd rather have chugs work like DS2 where they recover HP over time instead of instantly. In DS2 if you chugged you could still be killed because you didn't have enough health left. chugs in DS3 are instant so even if I punish you for chugging you still end up with net gain for HP
>tfw playing through ds2 right now and sort of enjoying it but just want to finish it so I can play 3
>>344814562
>theres one fucking mage build in the game
Yes, and it can between 1-5 shot every fucking boss in the game in regular NG.
Pyros do almost as much as mages and with shorter cast times - are you high?
If you're talking about PvP, of course magic sucks dick. You can roll fucking everything. That's been the case for literally every game in the series.
Chaos fireball has lingering aoe that's decent for PvP if you want that.
>>344815091
>Pyros do almost as much as mages and with shorter cast times - are you high?
haha dodge your fireball
haha dodge your great fireball
wow dodge your shit snake fire
wew nice light show
wow I rolled through that one and took no damage
I've been only talking about PVP in all my cases in that post. PVE of course mages are good because enemies don't fucking dodge spells at all ever and they all have huge magic defense holes
>>344815091
>Chaos fireball has lingering aoe that's decent for PvP if you want that.
for absolutely garbage damage if you catch them on the linger. It also costs crap ton of FP
>>344815249
>If you're talking about PvP, of course magic sucks dick
Just to reiterate.
You can hit people with the ground effect of chaos fireball by freecasting and gitting gud, since it can tag people before they can re-roll after a roll.
>>344815347
>for absolutely garbage damage
I was unaware a couple hundred was "garbage damage" when you can often do it unpunished. It's a good pressure tool.
>>344815387
>just take these garbage spells and shit and use them in this singular instance and just git gud.
>ignore every other spell
>this one is good guys for PVP
>just one
>>344815480
it does barely 250, a hatchet you start with will do more DPS. Any sword will do more.
>>344801581
PvP is boring as fuck and more "meta weapon of the month' than any previous Souls. That's why only tryhard fags keep playing it and nobody else cares about this game anymore apart from wanting more stuff from the DLC.
>>344815683
Its the same straight swords every time, its the same ultra great weapons every single time. Its the same spells because no other spells work. Its the same builds because no other builds work. Its the same shields because no other shields work.
>>344815550
>If you're talking about PvP, of course magic sucks dick
Just to re-reiterate ;)
>>344815550
Not at range and not virtually guaranteed if you read where they're rolling. It's a good spell, unlike virtually all others in most PvP. Magic is better in multis where other people put pressure and you can catch people out of sight with your spells. It still sucks dick in general PvP.
This board needs to stop pretending DS2 was a good game.
I'll start from the fucking beginning with this piece of shit, and all the goddamn warning signs.
>Marketing began with "le preprare to die" edgy shit to attract youtube crowd
>E3 had fake fucking graphics
>season pass, planned DLC
>game releases
>nearly fucking broken on launch day
>game's NPCs are a joke, which can be seen from the fucking beginning. the hags even copy namco's shitty prepare to die joke.
>everything costs a million fucking stamina
>shit starting classes with barely any interesting equipment and setups
>level design was awful, no realistic transitions with boring enemy placement that devolved into shitty gang rape mechanics as ****difficulty*****
>oh yeah, soul memory that fucks you up for wanting to coop with your friends
>bosses have barely any original designs, all shitty throwbacks to the DS1 and some of them were designed WORSE. bosses that were original were just flat out boring
>every weapon minus a few uniques has the same fucking moveset with ridiculous stamina costs. stupid fucking "everything is viable! xD" meme overtook any actual interesting weapons like bloodborne
>shitty story that makes no goddamn sense even when pieced together
>poise didnt fucking work
>boring hub world with shit atmosphere and NPCs
>NO FUCKING INFINITE INVASION ITEM
>pvp was a joke, could barely ever get invades and completely took out the experience of fighting off invaders like in DS1
>one of the areas was "too difficult :((" for casuals so they had to fucking nerf it with a patch
>BONFIRES
>FUCKING EVERYWHERE
cont.
>>344816138
>>poise didnt fucking work
poise DID work in DS2, it doesn't work in DS3
>>344816240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SdVlq7OTQE
>>344816138
>>one of the areas was "too difficult :((" for casuals so they had to fucking nerf it with a patch
Shrine of amana shooting shit at you from a mile away and your lock on range was barely 10 feet in front of you was fucking dog shit.
>>344816138
>the hags even copy namco's shitty prepare to die joke.
DUBIOUS GRANDMA: Shit-Ass Dead Dude... Know'st thou of Hell Fuck Castle, high in the mountains...? (laughter) It was once the domain of King Big Sad Guy, who did the Flame Thing.. Legend tells of the castle's steward, the great and terrible HorseDog, but who is to say if it still roams the halls... (solid minute of laughter) Oh, how silly of me; but of course, a new arrival in Drangranthric wouldst know not such tales... One such as thee... wouldst be better suited to sharpen the blades of the dreaded wraith of Why'd They Put Anorher FUCKIN SWAMP LEVEL Marsh..... Armor Type of Dude. That is... ifst thoust canst livest thatst longst... (five minutes of laughter; unskippable)
>>344816138git gud
Hopefully DS3's DLC will be on par or better than Old Hunters.
Not to optimistic that they have said they are doing 3 DLC's as this may degrade the quality.
>>344803085
>dex builds > everything else
dex builds are probably the worst they've ever been
only good pure dex weapon is chaos blade with 60 dex
>>344816305
>if I get hit by a katana and I stun then it doesn't work
>but if I get hit by another weapon it means the weapons are broken based on what I said.
what?
>gets hit with a washingpole
>doesn't poise break
>well I got hit multiple times it means its broken
>not that my poise is still down and always was down with multiple hits just like poise works
>>344816305
nice test faggot maybe the washing pole has unusually high poise damage?
>>344816138
>DLCs finally release
>First one is a shitty poison DLC that relies on gangbangs and reskinning bosses
>wow original fun gameplay, i love fighting 3 NPCs who do massive damage. i also love fighting an edgy queen who SUMMONS ANOTHER BOSS TO TRY AND BE DIFFICULT
>old iron king DLC
>pretty solid desu, but the communitys shitty meme that fume knight is the hardest boss ever never dies
>loyce
>good DLC
>now if you're a good goyim and bought all our DLCs, you can now buy the Bandai Namco™ hit game on next gen consoles!! iN LESS THAN A FUCKING YEAR!!
>from eats this shit up as the jews make all their money for them
>promises better GRAHICS and MORE NEEMY PLACEMNT AND DIVURSITY
>same shitty problems as fucking vanilla
>graphics are barely improved
>EVERYONE FUCKING BUYS IT
>from rakes in cash not only from idiot fucking buyers who cant help but eat the shit straight from the source for their ****hardcore**** game, but the fucking youtube community full of autists reaps the benefits of the game being kind of challenging in order to make views for money as well as encourage shitters to buy the game
I didn't even fucking go over everything. I didn't touch the fucking atrocious hitboxes, the fact that you needed a stat TO LEVEL UP YOUR FUCKING ROLL, heavy armor being worthless, leveling up being as fucking easy as pissing yourself, the shitty fucking garbage AI, the horrible and boring boss design, shitty item placements and equipment gating, and the complete hold handing of the player. covenants were okay, but thanks to soul memory, tow of them didnt fucking work after everyone had spent the cancerous time of leveling up. hell, you could say that for sunbros too! they got fucked over by SM fucking up their coop
Fuck this game. DS3 has a lot of fucking flaws, but it will never compare to the fucking BUTCHERING of souls that this game created.
>>344801581
WHAT WENT WRONG YOU ASK? WELL FUCK YOU
>>344816718
Git fucken gud fagot
>>344816718
Another thing, Bloodborne got ONE FUCKING DLC. AND IT WAS THE BEST CONTENT EVER PUT IN A SOULS GAME. DS2 THE GAME THAT WAS SO SHIT UPON RELEASE THAT THEY HAD TO FUCKING REMASTER IT WITHIN A Y E A R GETS THREEFUCK YOU
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character
>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character
>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks.
>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina
>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina
>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill
>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons
>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)
>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build
>Fun PvP covenants that were unique
>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun
>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again
>>344816384
>>344816827
le ebin meme!! xD
>>344801581
Tried too hard to be bloodborne lite and failed extraordinarily.
>>344816869
>it was the best because my opinion
>>344801581
>Be me
>invade host
>"oh he's got a buddy?"
>no worries, kill him easily
>Summoning another phantom
Summoning another phantom
>Summoning another phantom
Summoning another phantom
>Summoning another phantom
Summoning another phantom
>Summoning another phantom
Summoning another phantom
>Summoning another phantom
>>344816953
i hope u riked it
>>344816916
>best boss design, lore, levels, weapons
>that's your shitty comeback
take your fucking (you) faggot
>>344817159
>best based on my opinion
>saying that your opinion is an opinion is just a shitty come back
no its just your opinion
>>344803085
>>>PvE is good though
Then the game is good.
It's never been a real PVP series.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LIEK DS1 PVP.
That's like saying FF7 is shit because it doesn't have the card game from ff8. Were glad you enjoyed it but it's not what the game is about.
>>344817304
it's only about HALF THE GAME AND THE REASON THE GAMES ARE UNIQUE AND PRAISED
>>344802276
that not pokemon go m8
>>344817304
>It's never been a real PVP series.
the game REVOLVES around PVP you dunce, its a huge PVP game
>>344807175
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-director-talks-franchises-legacy-poss/1100-6441636/
>Miyazaki also told us about how there are no plans, at least not right now, for a Dark Souls IV or Bloodborne 2.
>No bloodborne 2
Get fucked Sony fag
>>344817304
>It's never been a real PVP series.
That's such a shitty excuse when the only thing that extends the game lifespan is the pvp.
They could have made the levels less linear and they could have kept the old Poise system in place. Having said that, it is still my favorite game in the series.
This coming from a guy who pre-ordered Demon's Souls.
>>344817842
They were going to use the DS1 poise system but the game was rushed at the last minute so they just made it hyper armor based.
The director said he's really embarrassed about it too.
>>344817842
Could you elaborate on why? Not trying to insult but I genuinely was disappointed with the game.
>>344818138
what a shitty reaction image you've made for yourself, nice waifu bum chum
>>344818138
Even if that is true they have had months to make Yhorms shield passive and the Wolf Ring do something other then make a stat that does nothing higher.
The bonfire structure sucks and makes the game a fucking chore to replay unlike the first one.
>>344816884
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
except that's wrong, estus chugging gave a defense bonus and was fast enough to pull it at high adp, at mid range
unless the guy was low enough to be killed by a throwing knife/crossbow bolt he could safely heal
>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks
yeah, except the phantoms could cover each other to use their healing miracles while the invaders were fucked because lolseed
I wont bother with the rest of your bullshit, the only thing I agree with is being able to use the full moveset of a weapon on the left hand
>>344809959
It's a lot of fun, but it is far and away the hardest game in the series, so if you get frustrated easily maybe skip it.
>>344806798
Why is sony compared with niggers?
DaS > BB > DeS => DaS3 >> DaS2
>>344818330
It's actually lifted straight from /r/ds3
>>344818564
>except that's wrong, estus chugging gave a defense bonus and was fast enough to pull it at high adp, at mid range
No it could not. You are wrong.
>>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks
Takes longer than chugging estus and instant healing. The person performing the miracle is also out of the fight for the duration of the cast.
No matter how you try to spin it, it's harder for host and his phantoms to heal. The damage you deal is more likely to stick than in DS3.
NG+ is a shit. Needs more stuff
>>344818817
BB > DS1 = DS3 > DS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> DeS
>>344819023
> DS2 >>>>>>> DeS
What did demon's souls kill your family or something?
This game seemed to die so fast for some reason usualy people talk about the souls games for a lot longer than just a couple of month. there arn't nearly as many YT video on DS3 as there was for DS2 and DS1
>>344819135
For this reason:
Dark Souls 2:
>Hey you know, I feel like doing some PvP. I'll hit the arenas.
>Hey I beed a break from the arenas, I'll hit the fight club at Iron Keep bridge.
>Hey I'm bored of the fight clubs, I'll do some red invades.
>Well red invades aren't very fun, I keep invading noobs just trying to play through the PvE.
>I'll go stand in Belfy Luna and invade and get invaded and earn Ore while I'm at it.
>Time to take a break from Luna, let's go to Sol.
>Ahhh, I'm tired of this too, let's blue invade all over the world.
>This is fun, I get to PvP all over the game, and I get to punish people for invading noobs.
>look at bonfire map, see several outline indicators displaying which areas have the most players in them atm
>Go stand in those areas with delicate string and dried finger active
>Periodically get invaded in between blue invades
>Fighting all over the game, wherever I want, punishing sinners, drawing sinners to my world, whenever I get bored of one style of PvP I go back to doing arenas, fight clubs, bell tower, etc.
Dark Souls 3:
>Hey you know, I feel like doing some PvP
>wow they really limited the PvP this time around...
>I guess I'll fight club?
>well that got boring fast, I guess I'll blue invade and punish sinners?
>oh, that doesn't exist anymore, I guess I'll dried finger and wait to be invaded?
>oh, I can't because I've already cleared the game and you can't be invaded after you've cleared the area
>Well I guess I'll red invade... oh wow it's a 1v4 and each enemy rolls behind his three teammates and chugs the moment I land one blow on him episode...
>>344818950
>No it could not. You are wrong.
except I'm not? I had plenty of hosts going for a marathon and once we were both out of stamina pull their flask out
>The person performing the miracle is also out of the fight for the duration of the cast
wow the fight goes to a 3 vs 1 to a 2 vs 1 for 2 whole seconds...
the series gave all the advantages to the host in das2, das3 just followed because tanimucrap
>>344819135
we talked a lot about DaS2 because of how much of a disappointement it was, not because it was good
the content dried up with DaS2
>>344819113
ok it wasnt that bad but i didn't like it, played it recently. felt like a drag the whole way through, souls fatigue im guessing.
>>344819303
>Well I guess I'll red invade... oh wow it's a 1v4 and each enemy rolls behind his three teammates and chugs the moment I land one blow on him episode...
Just parry + huge weapon + hornet ring (or don't even bother since even without hornet it usually kills 95% of players) for one shots or else combo with buffed weapons bro.
It's so much fun ;)
>>344819968
yeah so much fun :^)
>shitty unfun PvP meta with no variety in builds or tactics
>magic, miracles, and fisty brawler builds are abject shit. Your options are knight, knight, or knight. THERE IS NO ROLE PLAYING
>bleed and poison scale off of fucking LUCK
>retarded armor system that forces you to wear equipment in every slot or suffer a penalty otherwise
>invasion is a joke with giant seeds, shriveled fingers, and gank squads designed to pamper scrubs who were butthurt that people are using the built-in PvP mechanic that they opted into when they bought the game and played online
>fuckawful netcode
>SAME HACKING EXPLOITS AS THE DAS PORT FROM YEARS AGO
>hackers can use simple trainers to permaban you from normal matchmaking just by invading you
>shit covenant rewards
>literally broken invasion queue that made it virtually impossible for most playres to get darkmoon rewards for a long time
>references past games ad nauseum (Look, black knights! Look, Anor Londo! Look, Gwynevere! Do you remember our past games? We do! Love us please! Look, Siegmeyer and Solaire! Look, snake people! Look...)
>more linear that DaS by a massive margin
>obvious holes in plot and lore to be plugged by pre-planned DLC
>Lore is inconsistent with the series. If Gwyn's name was forgotten by DaS2, which happened between 1 and 3, then why is it commonly known in 3?
>easiest game in the series to the point of being insulting. Maybe one or two arguably difficult bosses
>balance patches were too little, too late, and told players nothing; to learn what patches contained, you had to wait for somebody to look at the game's files or figure out changes through testing
Some of the original enemies were pretty good. The weapon art system was nice. The areas had great atmosphere, especially the top side of not-Ash-Lake and Nameless King's pad. But that's pretty much all the nice comments I have to say about DaS3.
>>344820261
Dark Souls 2 was the easiest game in the series.
>>344820261
>Lore is inconsistent with the series. If Gwyn's name was forgotten by DaS2, which happened between 1 and 3, then why is it commonly known in 3?
Because DaS2 has been retconned.
>>344820261
demon's fist and pyro is decent
>>344820515
Actually you're probably right. The last taste I had of DaS2 was SotFS with the DLC, so I forgot how easy launch DaS was.
>>344809959
its good, definitely worth playing, its about as difficult as 3 but easier than des and das
>>344820612
When you can do a deprived, no death no bonfire run in NG+7 on your first try, something is up. DaS1 I struggle just doing the NG+7 level 1 run period.
>>344820530
Except 3 has direct named references to characters, weapons, and events in 2
>>344820945
Or any of the other runs*. I fucking hate the reinforced club and handaxe so fucking much.
>>344802551
WORKING
AS
INTENDED
>>344820995
Yeah, mostly unimportant shit with vague as fuck descriptions.
>>344820995
You say goodbye, Smough says hello.
>>344820515
DaS1 is since Scholar is a thing.
>>344821284
Played 2 to death but never played the DLC. I switched games before it came out, so I can't talk about the DLC. Base DaS2 is retardedly easy.
>tfw stuck on iron keep
fuck those archers holy shit
>>344821419
To be frank, every Souls can be cheesed from the start.
>>344821628
This.
>Dark Souls
>pure mage run
>obliterate every boss without trying
Just because it isn't as good as BB doesn't make it a bad game. Playing through as a luck character has been a blast, bleeding shit out.
>>344821628
I mean more base difficulty though. Refer to >>344820945
Deprived in 1 is alot more real than 2.
>>344821713
>Dark Souls
>STR run
>grab great club at start
>obliterate every boss without trying
>Dark Souls
>DEX run
>grab gravelord greatsword + great scythe at start
>obliterate every boss without trying
>Dark Souls
>FAI run
>farm sunlight medals, get great lightning spear
>obliterate every boss without trying
>>344821628
Or pyro rather since they're flipped.
