Why did it need to be Heavy vs. Pyro again?
They needed two characters that seriously needed buffs. Pyro was the obvious choice, and to my surprise many people here feel like Heavy is UP too. Personally, I feel like Pyro/Spy is one of the natual rivalries, and that they're both characters that become less relevant against a more competent team.
>>344796818
both need new shit to play with
heavy especially, considering the nerfs
>>344796818
Because both classes are shit right now. Heavy because balance and pyro because it's a bug itself.
>>344796818
No matter who wins, both are going to get changes anyway
>>344798615
>heavy
>Large Man
I don't know why I laughed at that
I'm ready for war
>>344799832
Top tier cancer right there.
>>344800271
>Top tier cancer
That doesn't looks like a degreaser to me
people still play this game?
>>344799832
>Pyro
I ran. It was just ham.
>>344800417
>Bitching about the degreaser
>When he uses the phlog
You are using literally the most cancerous weapon in the game. You are aware of it, right?
>>344800903
when you get down to it and assume the other person is decently skilled, the most cancerous weapon in the game is the huntsman bar none
>>344800903
Last I checked degreaser was the most cancerous weapon in the game, LITERALLY a crutch for retards, the phlog is balanced now since it got nerfed
>>344796818
reminder that if you didn't vote for pyro you're an idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul10umf8P4w
>>344801046
>0:15 - 0:27
nice w+m1 :)
>>344801107
What exactly does that prove? Pyro is broken as fuck.
>>344801273
pyro takes skill
>>344801008
I 100% agree. But I don't know why, the community seems to give the huntsman a free pass. On the other hand, everyone knows the Phlog it's the way to go to the people that are only 5 minutes into the game.
>>344801034
The phlog removes airblast. The airblast it's literally the other thing why the Pyro isn't complete garbage. Because no, running straight to an enemy spamming your flamethrower doesn't require "skill" nor is a good tactic.
>>344801034
>>344801361
So you admit the degreaser is a crutch for retards?
>>344801472
I didn't even mentioned the degreaser. Only reminded you that your weapon is completely useless for other thing that going M1+W, which BTW it's the worst "tactic" in the game.
>54 viewmodel fov lock
JUST
>>344801826
>viewmodel fov
It's fucking nothing
>>344799832
>phlog and third degree
kek
>>344801361
I use the manmelter to extinguish allies. crits4days
>>344799832
>3rd degree
0/10
>>344802283
>>344802568
all 3 weapons are part of the same set
>>344802707
they're all shit
Pyro is best class
>>344799832
I'm feeling so much second hand embarrassment from this screenshot.
>>344802493
It's not about extinguishing teammates, it's about denying literally every projectile weapon in the game plus being able to destroy the enemy's mobility.
>>344796818
i will never forgive valve for what they did to my main
>>344803048
The worst thing is that he is trying to defend his weapons.
>Retards like this exist in the game.
>>344796818
Spy Vs Engineer.
In reality, It should of been soilder vs demo as that's the most powerful class's that require """"""skil"""""""
>>344803048
*plays tf2*
>>344803037
is that why he's played by the worst players?
>>344803196
>maining pyro
lmfao git fucking gud
>>344803283
Except that already was a thing.
>>344799832
I main pyro and it's people like this that give the class a bad name.
>>344803283
Spy vs. Engineer already happened, it was Gun Mettle
Soldier vs. Demo already happened as well, newfag
>>344803048
>feeling second hand embarrassment over a picture of a TF2 loadout
>>344803241
>caring about what weapons a person uses in TF2
>>344803394
>caring about what people think of Pyro as a class.
Stop caring about TF2.
>>344803394
>not playing pyro purely to have fun
A good pyro is a powerhouse. He can help teammates with fire, defend sentries airblasting and removing zappers, stop ubers from swiping it's whole team, and excels at picking single targets by flanking and using combos.
But then, retards like this exist >>344799832
>>344803602
>Holding down W+M1 is fun
Annoying people with the airblast, now that's fun.
>>344803584
>only balance changes
>no new weapons for either class
>weapon skins
>no "vote" on either class getting new weapons like soldier vs. demo
gun mettle sure was spy vs. engineer
>>344803760
*throwing people off cliffs
That's what messing with Pyro is all about.
>>344796818
The only reason pyro is wining is because the pewdiepie of TF2 choose to go with the pyro team and his brainless fans choose to go with him because
"I am on a famous persons team and I must make him happy."
>>344803760
I go with this >>344799832 build when the other team has a lot of pyros. I usually swap out the 3rd degree for the powerjack, though. although the phlog also seems to have gotten a huge nerf recently.
>>344798476
The "hold m1 and walk, and m2 if you're in trouble" class, lol
Heavy really needs a buff. He's slow and a fatty. He needs new primaries, secondaries and some new fists/gloves. Pyro is fine on it's own right now.
>>344804061
Or maybe because the whole class is broken?
>www.frompyrowithlove.com
If you are talking about b4nny, the reason why he picked pyro was because of this, as he even kinda hates it.
If you are talking about Muselk... who the fuxk takes him seriously?
>>344804061
Or y'know, Pyro is genuinely shit at this game and needs a serious buff.
Why the fuck can't I create server's anymore?
>>344804270
Heavy with a pocket medic is at the very least useful, and is much harder to deal with than whatever a Pyro can do.
>>344803760
I like continuously airblasting ubered people.
>>344804439
1:Write on your console the name of the map you want to play in.
2:Play
3:Use google the next time you come across a simple problem.
>>344804571
But originally you didn't need to do that you ass hat
>>344804675
>Game updates
>Update changes things
What a surprise
>>344804368
Maybe so but he certainly took a huge leap for the competition with his fans.
>>344804270
Any class with projectile weapons can get destroyed by a good pyro. He's fast, strong, and overall bretty great. Heavy's slow, and a lot more situational than pyro, who even with the nerfs retains the ability to be fucking annoying. (60 afterburn damage reeeee)
>>344804523
God, that's the best. This fucking medic has been running around building uber for quite some time (relatively) and finally thinks its his big moment to shine. Nothing quite like squashing that dream and making him realize that all his efforts were in vain.
>>344805016
Except most of times you end up dead if his patient has a bit of awareness.
Either wy, it's rewarding protecting the team from a swipe.
>>344804270
>New primary
That does what?
>New secondary
Another worse-sandvich or another useless shotgun
>new gloves
That does what? You have gloves that hit faster, gloves that give crit upon kill to all weapons for 5 seconds, gloves that increase speed, gloves that give you ranges damage resistance, gloves that give you health upon kill and do more damage.
>>344799832
I like it, especially that manmelter, how do you get the collector kits though? damn things are expensive
>>344804994
Any class that has a weapon with a range past five feet can kill pyro.
>>344805267
>new primary
Like a shield or something, or new minigun
>new secondary
You can never have enough food.
>new gloves
I want different things to punch fags with, fag.
>>344805382
Easier said than done, bruv.
Any projectile class can have their shit pushed in by airblast, pyro has a habit of ambushing people so unless you see him coming you'll either be m1'd/combo'd/airblasted to death.
>>344805267
>New primary
One that changes Heavy's playstyle, something that relies on combos or some shit. Right now The heavy's main way to deal damage is just pressing M1 and spraying an area.
>New secondary
One that isn't a sandvich or a shotgun resking. At the moment, Heavy only has this two options.
>New gloves
Im with you in this one. He already has a lot of melee options, there's no need for a new one.
I voted team pyro btw, but it's true that the heavy hasn't received other thing than nerfs in a loooong time.
>>344805694
Oh wow, numbers!
Kys.
>>344805802
>kys
get aborted embryo
>vote for pyro, he is broken and needs fixes! flamethrower mechanic needs a rehaul!
>pyro wins
>gets three new weapons
>no changes to gameplay
>heavy gets nothing
>>344805856
>Complains about the use of kys
>Uses a shitty way to go around it that basically has the same meaning
Just wow.
>heavy and pyro keep getting nerfs while sniper and scout keep getting buffs
>>344805934
I doubt Valve will fuck up that hard.
They are aware their game is filled with bugs that need to be fixed ASAP if they want to keep their playerbase.
>>344805970
telling fags to kill themselves is a proud Chan tradition.
using kys means you're subbed to LeafyIsHere on Youtube, meaning you are the scum of the earth
>>344799832
your a fucking faggot
>>344805635
No it's really easy. Soldier? Use shotgun, shoot if he switches from flamethrower, rocket jump to a higher position, go around a corner, escape plan. Demo? A pyro is more likely to hit themselves with reflected pipes, sticky jump away, go around a corner, quickiebomb, shield that gives 50% fire resistance
>>344806079
Not really, it just means I'm lazy.
Don't worry, I'm aware he is an edgy piece of shit.
>>344805635
You don't know what you're talking about, if you are even remotely decent at demo or soldier pyros are a non issue. You have lots of options.
1. Aim past his feet where he can't reflect
2. Rocket jump around him to give him a harder reflect angle
3. Spam around corners or cover where he can't fight back
4. Aim near your feet to zone him out
5. Mix up your timings
6. Walk towards him and wait for him to waste his airblast
7. Jump away
Also all of demo's weapons fire faster than pyro can airblast and each class has numerous pyro counters such as
Soldier: DH, Beggars, Air Strike, Shotgun, Reserve Shooter, Bison, Panic Attack, Base Jumper
Demo: LnL, LC, Base Jumper, Targe, All Shields, Quickiebomb Launcher
It is not even remotely in pyro's favor.
>>344805463
>like a shield
Excellent, now everyone can focus on anything else because you have a shield instead of a gun, and then when you switch back to the gun they'll kill you in the time it takes to start firing. Or even better, the shield will give barely any resistance and people will just keep shooting you
>a new minigun
If you wanted a different looking minimum download a skin, otherwise what would this new minigun do differently
>never have enough food
Download a skin, otherwise what would it do differently than the sandvich, steak, or dalokohs bar.
>I want different things to punch fags with, fag.
Download a skin.
PYRO IS NOT A REAL CLASS!
YOU ARE JUST WHAT THE SCOUT MAIN USES TO STOP AN UBER PUSH ON TO LAST!
>he still plays tf2
how do you do fellow bronies?
>>344806878
>walk toward pyro
>he starts airblast spamming instinctively
>jump
>he airblasts
>shoot a rocket shortly after the jump
>he dies
So what do you guys want now that they've fixed Casual?
I know a lot of people want Valve pubs back, but hasn't the game kind of improved without them?
>>344804270
>He needs new primaries
I want to see heavy get some kind of artillery or something.
Loud as hell, fires in an arc, and takes a long time to reload but absolutely devastating to anything it hits. Like maybe a cross between this and katyushas.
@344807869
not (You) worthy
>>344808025
They need to let us pick certain maps because I've played thunder mountain like 20 fucking times so far. I'm starting to think this is a matchmaking bug.
Other than that I'm happy with it.
what the heavy needs is additional spin up time
or additional accuracy loss for maybe the first 5 seconds of spin up instead of 1.
or another 10% damage nerf.
>>344805267
>New Primary
I'd like to see him actually get the Deflector. Make it do reduced damage or some other debuff to balance it. Heavy is a defensive class, so it fits him pretty well.
>New secondary
Maybe a helmet to prevent the first headshot. It'd work kind of like the razorback.
>New Gloves
Something explosive or with a lot of knockback would be awesome. It'd be pretty situational, assuming it carries some kind of penalty (more damage taken/reduced damage dealt). Heavy is slow, but getting close to one is always a bad idea. I think actually sending people flying with punches would be fun as fuck.
>>344796818
The best way to fix Pyro is to remove the ability of other Pyros to mitigate his flamethrower damage. Maybe a new weapon that fires napalm or Wily Pete that can't be simply airblasted off. I know a big part of Pyro now a day is shitting on using his flamethrower's primary fire because of the absolute top tier utility his airblast has, but Pyro needs his fire to be viable again in order to be a proper Offensive class. It's something that has gone too far to the point of getting health for extinguishing teammates, diminishing his focus even further from a class that can spread panic and DOT if he gets close to just being utility.
>>344808220
Yeah I feel your pain
I've had to power through goldrush more than enough times today
Thankfully they've confirmed that (see blog) so it's only a matter of time before we get it
>Heavy literally got nothing but nerfs this update
>got nerfed last update too
>there is now literally no reason to use anything but stock+sandvich or stock+shotgun
Why?
They made so many shitty weapons worse then they already were but why?
>>344808307
>Deflector
>Wanting an even more powerful short circuit
No
The last thing this game needs is more stalemates.
>Maybe a helmet to prevent the first headshot
That sounds neat, I kinda want to see something like this but the problem is it's already a cosmetic.
>Something explosive or with a lot of knockback would be awesome
Sounds cool as long as it doesn't do anything to ubered players OR it carries some kind of significant drawback to make it a bad idea to do.
>>344798615
>College child
>>344808745
You still have a few options left.
Tomislav is just as good as stock and the two are interchangeable.
Dalokohs bars goes well with the quickfix or while roaming
Eviction notice is not a very viable option if not the best one as well as FoS and the GRU
>>344806069
>I doubt Valve will fuck up that hard.
were you under a rock for the rollout of this last update?
>>344808981
whoops
is now*
>>344808981
>>344808745
you fools
heavy is too strong for a public/casual server.
he must be nerfed more
Heavy is one of the few viable non-traditional classes to run in Comp Matchmaking (take him instead of a solly/scout)
>comics and official shorts
>heavy portrayed as clever and intelligent
>gmod and sfm animations
>heavy is mostly portrayed as an idiot
>>344809083
>mfw nobody in casual knows how to play demoman
>>344809291
https://youtu.be/5yn3HHw6HQc?t=13s
>>344808307
as for Pyro
>New Primary
Something like a giant blowtorch would be neat. More directed line of flames instead of spread out, and dealing more damage. Probably would have a shitty airblast or less max ammo to compensate. Would be hilarious if the nozzle is a modified fire hose
>New Secondary
maybe some kind of laser that deals more damage the longer it is focused on the enemy. would be shit to use against scouts though
>New Melee
Fire Hydrant on a stick
pyro mains yiff in hell
>people ITT saying Heavy is underpowered
I'm not exceptional at the game and even fancy unusual-wearing soldiers are beatable when they're using their splash damage to try hit me without being in line-of-sight.
>>344809321
>tfw nobody in casual knows how to play medic
>>344809715
Heavy is one of the few classes soldier has a poor matchup against, that's why. But all it takes is one decent sniper or demoman to shut him down.
>>344808787
I guess you're right about the stalemates the deflector could cause. I think I remember Valve essentially saying as much. Maybe he could just get a bunch of AK-47s taped to each other
>Sounds cool as long as it doesn't do anything to ubered players OR it carries some kind of significant drawback to make it a bad idea to do
maybe have it cause some recoil damage per hit and/or have a delay timer after each punch before it's explosive again. or make the heavy need to quickly wind-up before making the punch (reduced fire-rate)
>>344808025
I liked valve pubs.
Takes less time to get into with regular quickplay.
>>344803304
well, the best class wouldn't be played so much, retard
bad people picking a class has nothing to do with how good it is, they wouldn't be picking it if it was shit
>>344810738
>they wouldn't be picking it if it was shit
Bad players pick what bad players pick.
It's got nothing to do with how good or bad the class is.
>>344809932
no, soldier should have no problem against a heavy. at all.
>>344810908
Depends on how good the Heavy is.
If it's a simple playstyle where they go in your general direction, and spin up only once you're in line of sight, extremely simple unless you're caught unaware.
If it's a heavy that suddenly flies out from around a corner almost immediately ready to fire, then soldier has a problem on his hands.
>>344810908
>Heavy can shrug off splash damage
>Heavy denies him from using rocket jumps
Airblasting isn't fun.
