A 20-30 million dollar movie earned less than half a million on its opening weekend.
It's not Spirits Within big scale wise, but proportionally, yea, it is.
>The Kingsglaive Final Fantasy film opened on 44 screens in Japan Saturday at #10 on Japan's weekly box office chart. The film sold 22,818 tickets for a total of 35,516,460 yen (about US$345,507) in two days.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-11/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-opens-at-no.10-on-japan-weekly-box-office-chart/.104192
We did it, fatlus bros!
We lived enough to see The Spirit Within 2.0
Who could have thought SE would make the same mistake twice?
Does the movie have in game spoilers?
>>344791450
>Who could have thought SE would make the same mistake twice?
Considering they've been fucking up for years, pretty much everyone. How is there even still hype for XV and KH3?
Good.
>A 20-30 million dollar movie
i am sure that cgi like this is more expensive. also marketing.
>>344791287
they were making a movie?
>>344791287
Oh god, my liver
>>344791475
No, think of it as a side quest. They don't even mention some of the main characters of the game.
Tales of berseria preorders are also almost matching up with ffxv preorders in japan
What went wrong fatlus bros?
How much did the cgi Captain Harlock movie open at?
>yfw Final Fantasy kills square, the same IP that gave them fame.
How poetic.
>>344791287
>FFXV is set to bomb and bankrupt SE
I didn't believe I'd see the day. Praise be our Lord and fuckboi.
>>344791287
>20-30 million dollar
It's distributed by Sony's low budget branch that specializes on sub-10 million dollar projects.
>>344791731
>Tales of berseria preorders are also almost matching up with ffxv preorders in japan
Sauce?
>>344791793
This happened back in the 90's too retard.
FF is the franchise that keeps them on life support.
>>344791287
who are they going to partner up with this time?
>>344791287
>20-30 million dollar
sauce?
>>344791772
Is it any good? still don't know whether to watch it or not, keep hearing mixed things
>>344792098
it's shit, but there are some cool scenes, same as the Saint Seiya CGI movie
The best and only good CGI movie Japan has ever made is stand by me doraemon.
I couldn't be less interested in FFXV's gameworld. It's far too attuned to reality. The only reason anyone's looking forward to it is because it's the first non-MMO, non-sequel FF in like a decade, not because it looks interesting.
How did it even get marketed? Christ, I know people that have been waiting for the game since 2006 and even they had no idea the movie was a thing.
>>344791989
>FF4 and FF7
>square at it's biggest it ever will be
All this shit they're doing for XV will kill them. Everyone feels lukewarm about the game
>>344792529
mostly E3 i think
>>344791287
>being surprised that a movie played in less than 50 theaters in a single country didn't make much money
This is nowhere as big of a fuck up as Spirits Within.
I wonder what will happen if FFXV bombs hard.
Since they do everything to keep DQ irrelevant on west.
>>344792095
his ass
Theaters and moviegoing are very small in Japan. It'll do much better when released on DVD
>>344792759
Not yet...
SO IS THE MOVIE FUCKING GOOD OR NOT
>>344792529
It wasn't marketed. Just a few weeks ago they weren't planning to release it in theaters at all.
>http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/31/final-fantasy-15-movie-kingsglaive-announced
>Kingslaive will be released by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment in 2016, before Final Fantasy XV, and will be available for streaming or download worldwide. It will not be in theaters.
>>344792964
It's basically Versus XIII in movie form apparently.
>>344792964
It's excellent and infinitely better than AC or TSW.
>>344792537
>All this shit they're doing for XV will kill them.
If literally everything else they release this and next year bombed as well, maybe. Even then they make most of their money from mobile games and MMOs anyway.
>>344792790
>pretentious
>>344793132
Thanks
I'm sure it's great so I'm pretty hype to see it in English
>>344792537
>>344791793
Except most people are pretty excited. About the game, not a film they can't see anyway.
FF is a double edged sword for SE, they don't know what to do with it. It's too big of a name to kill, but they don't know how to make a modern FF game. They can't really go back to something like Bravery Default, because FF IP is too big for something small like this.
On the other hand their Eidos division is doing great. Almost everything not FF related is doing great, especially if it's developed outside of Japan.
>>344791287
44 screens is not a very wide release.
>>344791287
well fuck who are they going to merge with to not go bankrupt this time?
maybe atlus?
>>344791287
20-30 million doesn't seem like a large amount of money for a big budget movie in this day and age.
Also doesn't china save all movies nowadays?
>>344793314
The problem is that SE do everything to keep FF afloat.
DQ is the main cashcow on japan, but since when they care about western release? Also they cut the budget from Bravely second. KH is just alive because disney.
>>344793462
atlus is owned by Sega
>>344793229
You're right. There's always pachinko after all.
>>344793462
ur mom's ass
will make a black hole LOL
>>344791287
>releasing the movie before the game
I know its a prequel and all but come the fuck on.
Release the fucking game first before you start milking that cow.
>>344793132
Considering pretty much no characters from VersusXIII made it into the movie, I doubt it.
>>344793216
Hi FFXV-kun
But your movie just tanked. And soon your game.
3m sales tops.
>>344793216
To be fair that isn't hard.
>>344793314
>but they don't know how to make a modern FF game
I wouldn't say they don't know how, they're just experimenting more and more with each game because they can always fall back on nostalgia cashgrabs like Theatrhythm, World of FF, Dissidia or RK if a main game doesn't sell well.
>>344793564
They will keep trying because it's a huge IP. Killing something like this is unwise. Of course you can argue someone in SE is trying to make a point by holding on to FF license, but I doubt it.
Even if FFXIII was considered a failure by fans it was a financial success. Same shit will happen with FFXV.
FFXIV is doing fine. FFVII remake made everyone cream their pants, especially people who are younger than the game.
>>344792462
>I couldn't be less interested in FFXV's gameworld. It's far too attuned to reality.
oh, like vii?
>>344793350
FF7 Remake is going to save them from having 1+ billion yearly sales? Because that's how huge SE is nowadays.
>>344793742
It's marketing so people aka casuals who wouldn't be interested otherwise will want to buy the game. Also, it shows a lack of confidence in their game though, because it's like they are trying to make money before incase the game bombs.
>>344793960
See >>344793112. They clearly weren't trying to make much money here.
>>344793934
To be fair, Squeenix don't just make games, they have mangos and LNs.
>>344793874
>FFVII remake made everyone cream their pants, especially people who are younger than the game.
source: your ass
personally i creamed my pants and am older than the game.
>>344793916
FF7 was definitely where it all started going wrong, but compared to XV it was still well within the realm of fantasy
>>344794123
They have Nii-sama
>tfw you know people who were involved in making the film
I feel bad for them, truly.
>>344794149
and it doesn't go against my point in any way. You were saying?
It's the movie nobody asked for. Just give us the game. Fuck off with your Expanded Universe trash until it actually comes out and manages to be good.
>>344793960
>It's marketing so people aka casuals who wouldn't be interested otherwise will want to buy the game.
Not him but if they weren't interested in the first place then why would they want to sit and watch a movie about it?
>>344793960
>>344794092
they clearly just can't decide how to market the two products. either it's a long tail supplement to the value of the game, or it's a promotional tool or something. who knows.
>>344794243
Sorry you're going to have to watch the anime before that and don't forget to play the mobile game :^)
>>344793314
most people really like being tricked huh. most people like spending $60 more on yet another overhyped pile.
>>344792027
Atlus.
44 out of 3500 screens in japan was not even supposed to be released in theater's either it only exsisted 4 months ago anyone who wants to see the movie already owns the deluxe edition
I LIKED ADVENT CHILDREN AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME
Final Fantasy 15 was a total mistake, through and through. This is getting ridiculous.
>Using a shitty engine they wasted millions on, even though the rest of the studio ditched it and is working with UE4
>In development for like a decade
>Millions wasted
>Multiple demos with wasted content and changes
>Wasted millions on a movie that bombed
>Need it to sell GTA and CoD numbers to break even
It's dead on arrival. Modern fianl fantasy was a fucking mistake. They should've stuck to making quint, "botique" RPGs in the vein of FF9 instead of blowing money on braindead pseudo-action bullshit like this and XIII.
>>344791287
>A 20-30 million dollar movie
We don't know the budget
>>344791287
>44 screens
>22,818 tickets
This doesn't sound bad for only 44 theaters. This movie was originally announced during the uncovered event as a direct to dvd anyhow.
>>344794154
>compared to XV it was still well within the realm of fantasy
i don't agree that it's any less fantastical than vii.
>>344794242
yes it does. i don't think the hype for the vii remake comes from people who principally didn't play it when it came out.
>>344791287
>44 screens
>22,818 tickets in two days
This is 518 tickets per screen in two days.
>>344794386
me too
>>344793862
TSW is still the best rated vidya-related movie, funnily enough. I guess surpassing it is harder than it might seem.
>>344794386
I liked it as well. And I think FFXIII would've been better as a movie.
>make movie with incredible CGI
>Release it in less than 50 theatres in a single country
For what purpose?
>>344794459
this is so intensely fucking gay
>>344794250
yeah that's the dumbest strategy
we could sell the movie to people who like the game, or we could sell the game to people who got hyped for it based on a 44 theatre release that sold less tickets than a peter frampton concert.
also everyone knows that when the game comes after the movie it's shit, except for like NES batman
>>344793742
I actually think releasing the movie first is a good thing because doing that right after the game came out would make it look like they made the movie just to ride off the hype of the game's release.
>>344793769
You've never actually seen XV-kun's posts before have you?
>>344793862
You experiment with modest sized budget games using their IPs or making new ones. Not with their bread and butter.
XV is a fuck up. Even Nomura was all like "Nigga, what the fuck?" when they said they wanted to make it a mainline game, and Versus is his baby.
Should have just kept is small and made it a "japanese boy band is teleported to the world of FF and have to fight their way back home/save the world" and made the agni project their first current gen FF.
>>344794538
It was planned to just be a home release and not theater. Theater is just to make extra money I guess.
>>344791287
>no source
This was a straight to dvd release untill fans asked for it to head for cinema's sqaure know's what there doing
>>344791287
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US WILLING TO SEE THE MOVIE! DOZENS, I TELL YOU!
Man, Square better knock it out of the park with XV or they're gonna be in serious trouble. I stopped giving a shit years ago but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious to see how this all plays out.
>>344794412
>retarded animu girl
>IXfag
>has no idea what he's talking about
It's like a trifecta of cancer.
>>344794427
>yes it does. i don't think the hype for the vii remake comes from people who principally didn't play it when it came out.
and I never said it does
I am scared for SE now. I don't want FF to die.
>yfw XV is magically good but no sales.
>>344794731
yes, you did.
>>344791287
>Absolutely zero advertising.
>Flops
This is what happens when you take marketing advice from Nintendo.
Spirits Within > Advent Children
fight me
>>344794836
can you quote the part where I say it?
>>344794616
Nomura said no such thing. In fact, he said there was talk to turn it into a mainline title even back in 2008.
>>344791287
>not even 44 theaters with multiple screenings, but rather ONLY 44 screens
>niche movie
>#10 in charts for an extremely limited showing
So far it looks like they got a strong start. How is this bombing? Also, $30 per movie for LE is going to cover the costs even if there were 0 theater showings.
>>344794468
mario bros, the wizard, mortal kombat, street fighter, advent children, the king of kong, and resident evil were all better than the spirits within
and i hated resident evil
>>344794914
>>FFVII remake made everyone cream their pants, especially people who are younger than the game.
>>344794863
while not being nintendo.
Nintendo IP's are so strong they can do without as much
>>344794863
Nigga, it was supposed to be a straight to video movie. What advertising would you expect?
>>344794616
>10m to make profit back.
That's a little to much... greedy project, I know about fuckups and engine/console change, but they are going a little too far with that. Game isn't even out and they are trying to milk hard as they can.
>>344794863
He got fired, and now he works on sony.
>>344793229
They do look pretentious. When you present yourself with an air of greater importance, without the substance to back it up.
>>344794884
>anon wants me to fight the mentally handicapped
I was raised better than that anon.
>>344794943
>mario bros, the wizard, mortal kombat, street fighter, advent children, the king of kong, and resident evil
>better than the spirits within
Good catch op!
Another epic /v/ Tortanic blunder!Outside of like 4 posts, this thread sucks
What's wrong with the Luninous engine? Why is Square abandoning it? Why were Konami slaves able to make a great engine like the FOX engine whereas Square Enix couldn't?
At this point FFXV better either be the best, or worst game of all time. Nothing else will do.
>>344791450
They made that mistake when they were Squaresoft.
>>344791287
>Japan
There's your problem.
>>344791287
After two shit FF films is it any surprise the third flops?
Square has to accept that nobody gives a shit about that franchise anymore but teenage Japanese girls and fags.
>>344791287
Op does not mention the fact that it was shown in 44screens out of the 3500 in japan it's a limited release to make extra cash
>>344794703
>FF fag complaining about weebs
WEW
>>344795004
and today we learned especially means exclusively. or something. I don't know, Make something up, you already did,
>>344794809
dont worry, world of final fantasy is going to save SE
>Square apologists still defending Square for a shit series and universe.
>lots of gaming outlets already creeped out by the girl thus giving it low scores and helping it bomb
Haha can't wait for it to release.
>>344795038
Nobody ever said it'd need to sell 10 million to break even, though.
>mfw FF15 will bombs
>mfw people have waited 10 years a blunder
>>344794616
>Even Nomura was all like "Nigga, what the fuck?" when they said they wanted to make it a mainline game, and Versus is his baby.
When did he ever say that?
>>344795016
>What advertising would you expect?
The kind that let's people know of the existence of a product.
It doesn't really seem that bad for 44 screens in a weekend in Japan. I know that other limited release anime movies like Idolmaster have done better but they sell those tickets with exclusive merchandise so fans buy multiple.
Although SE obviously wasn't expecting this to make a profit (at least in theatres) - even if those 44 showings were sold out there's no way they would come even close to making back the budget.
>>344795076
>mario bros, the wizard, mortal kombat, street fighter, advent children, the king of kong, and resident evil
>not better than the spirits within
We don't know what the actual budget is, but I have to wonder: why.
The cost of this movie surely will exceed the profit they make from it. At this point, this 10 year development cycle game is so in the red it's gonna have to sell earthshattering amounts to not be a bomb.
>>344795092
They aren't.
>>344795172
especially means principally, which is what i said. you are saying the people who cream their pants over the remake are especially likely to be second generation fans of the original. i take issue with this.
>>344795038
>That's a little to much...
333,333 LE bundles = $10m
>>344795249
>>344795092
The guy who made fox engine is one of the main guys who worked on luminous thier almost the same engine.
>>344791287
I didn't even know this was going to be on theaters, didn't they say it was going to be available for download in dvd format just before release or something?
Well if their intent was to release it on theaters, then they should have marketed it better.
>>344795249
wouldnt this be applicable to any game that takes too long in development?
>>344795092
I still don't know why every fucking modern dev have a fetish for Unreal engine.
Why not just make a inhouse engine and update it with time? Valve have source, Nintendo is going reuse Zelda engine for future games well as reused engines for various games, konami have FOX engine.
Seriously that sounds dumb, too much work for fucking nothing.
>>344795308
The development costs were miniscule for 7 years out of 10 because nothing was actually happening. They also wrote it off a long time ago.
>>344795053
What about their designs is pretentious specifically?
>>344795208
How much, realisticaly, do you think this game has to sell to profit from the movies, anime, engine change, console change and all that retarded expanded universe thing? Or do you think the money for those projects simply appeared out of nowhere?
This is similar to what infune tried doing, only with far more money now
>>344794250
Because of the incredible CGI, the action scenes and (in the west) the GoT cast.
>>344795198
>lots of gaming outlets already creeped out by the girl
The movie version of the girl? The movie version looks awesome. The game version looks weird and uncanny.
I can't imagine people having a problem with the movie version though.
>FF XV will probably flop
>they still refuse to translate DQ X
Th-thanks
>>344794243
Here's the main problem I see with the whole Final Fantasy XV debacle. Why would you say you needed to cut parts out of the game to not make a franchise out of the game and keep everything in one game if you were going to piece and rewrite these parts to make a franchise anyways with non-game entries?
>>344794459
I remember this looking much cooler when I was 11
why does it look so gay and cringey now?? what the fuck happened?
The bill was footed by Sony. Square doesn't lose anything from this.
It was just advertisement for the game, and aimed at a western audience that it isn't a available for yet.
>>344795404
Yeah, see >>344793112. The limited theater release was just an extra of sorts.
>>344795249
>ARPG
>2016
>bombing
I thought ARPGs are the "in" genre right now. How is it going to bomb when it's taking advantage of the casual crowd?
>>344791287
So, i've read this article and nowhere it states that this was a flop, and 44 screens is a minuscule number, so I don't even know how you expected it to sell more tickets than the fucking 44 theaters can support kek.
>>344795404
actually, this was all revealed in the big final fantasy 15 event on march 30
>>344795308
I think Sony is producing the movie, not SE.
>>344795320
Only if they had zero manufacture costs, publish costs, Retailer cut, Console manufacturer cut.
Third parties never make pure profit from games.
>>344794412
>Using a shitty engine they wasted millions on, even though the rest of the studio ditched it and is working with UE4
No
>In development for like a decade
If you count Versus as development then yes
>Millions wasted
What?
>Multiple demos with wasted content and changes
ED was to get feedback on the battle system and to give fans who waited a long time the feeling that the game is progressing
>Wasted millions on a movie that bombed
Sony's money
>Need it to sell GTA and CoD numbers to break even
Also false
>>344795686
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that OP is shitposting.
camrip when?
>take 10+ years to make this game
>meanwhile Nintendo just make some babou mobile pokemon game and amass a fortune
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
>>344795492
The expertise and the lines of code consisting of the engine is increasing very rapidly, especially when there are a ton of new APIs, graphical effects, and etc. which most small game companies can't keep up with.
They go and calculate the costs and they conclude they rather pay the licensing fees for a third party engine rather than develop their own.
Which is really interesting since with Bethseda, the opposite is happening with buying out id and then for id engine 6 and beyond, ditching Gamebyro for their game, which is why I bet TES VI is taking so long before they will show us anything.
>>344791287
why even making such a big thing out of it.
its like they want to stop producing any new final fantasy games after this and therefore want to end it with a bang
>>344795578
Once again, most of it has been written off years ago. And according to the director, SE is actually pretty damn strict with money. Even with the Versus costs included, their budget was apparently still lower than of many Western AAA titles.
>>344795927
>Pokemom go
>Nintendo.
Thats pokemon company issue retard, also, More like retards at squeenix don't know how to handle budget or manage a big project.
New zelda just Need 2m to make profit back for the fucks sake and Nintendo itself barely waste money on marketing.
>>344791287
Welp, looks like things aren't looking too good for console games in Japan
>>344795582
They were creeped out in the demo at E3 where you can check out the girls ass and cleavage. I think it had something to do with VR as well.
>>344795539
It's the high fashion, runway model type attitude, juxtaposed with the down to earth casual roadtrip type setting. They couldn't actually dress the part, they have to dress like they're more important than what they're actually doing.
>>344795092
>What's wrong with the Luninous engine?
Every single person that knows how it works is on the XV project
>>344795790
>Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. is a Japanese video game developer, publisher, and distribution company
To top off the fact that we aren't talking about a company that ONLY develops, you have to factor in the extra $30 for LE. They get more of that extra $30 than they do the original $60.
22,818 tickets divided by 44 screens means that each screen had 518 people. This is a 3 day weekend for a movie that is not only playing limited, but expected to be watched digitally. Guys you are all calling for doom and gloom based off the title of the thread, this is fine. It's not a blockbuster but for a movie that is packaged in with the games lower end special edition this is completely okay numbers.
>>344796050
Where is the source on all that? I've only ever been able to find the "it must sell 10 million copies" quote about profitability, which they claim wasn't accurate.
>>344795193
I finally watched some stuff for this game and it looks so incredibly boring. I normally jump all over FF stuff, but yeesh.
>tfw you accidentally bought merch for this game, but at least it's cute merch
>>344794917
Yeah, he said that when he was put in charge of it for a short amount of time after it was pushed as a mainline title.
Call the man what you want, but he is a professional and we both know he'd never tell anyone that the newest FF that's based off of his work was never supposed to be a mainline title.
>>344796050
If that was the case, they would not have completely overhauled the project, which was a spinoff entry, to a mainline entry and then did the director replacements. They would've just kept the status quo and made XV from scratch instead, while Nomura would've slowly let this project get completed.
But that wasn't what happened. Versus burned up too much money and they needed returns on what was spent during its development and at the same time, they needed to make XV.
>>344796150
Oh that? Why are you happy that SJWs are gonna give it poorer reviews for perceived sexism?
>>344796491
>>344796491
Or FF16 was way too far off to just push Versus.
>>344791858
His anus. There are no financial reporting agencies that aggregate pre-order numbers from retailers in Japan like there are for actual sales. He probably saw some gematsu article that translated some affiliate blog article about one store's vague anecdotal pre-order numbers.
>>344795970
Making a Inhouse engine sounds better on the long run than paying for engine every time that you make a game.
But, well I'm no expert in this.And Todd will reuse the fucking gamebyro again, I swear.
>>344796159
I've been sort of on off with their designs for a while now. I mean, I certainly like it in that it is well designed, but I'm not sure if it suits the world/situation that they're in. Then again, FF designs are sort of fucked here and there.
>>344795492
Basically every game nowadays is being made by multiple studios, and it's better to work on the same engine rather than adapting to whatever your counterpart uses.
In the case of Square-Enix they're working with Avalanche and CyberConnect2 which are using Unreal, that's why they're moving to Unreal themselves.
You can bet that FFXV will be the first and last game using Luminous Engine, it's just useless and impratical.
>>344791287
>A 20-30 million dollar movie
Source?
>>344796494
I'm just glad if Square goes down. They ruined Enix for me
http://variety.com/2016/film/asia/japan-box-office-independence-day-wins-weekend-1201811758/
People on this board need to learn how to read articles. The linked article is a ranking of user ratings and not how the movie performed at Box Office. On opening weekend, "Independence Day: Resurgence won its first weekend at the Japanese box office, with the promise of more victories to come. Opening on 963 screens with 20th Century Fox distributing, the film earned $5.57 million in its first two days on release from 382,000 admissions".
The source has this to say about Kingsglaive, "The only other new entry to the top ten, in tenth, was “Kingsglaive Final Fantasy XV,” a CG sci-fi fantasy based on a popular game of the same title. With Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Aniplex co-distributing, the film opened on 44 screens and took $347,000. The film is set to bow in the U.S. on Aug. 19, with Stage 6 Films releasing." - That being said, the comparison between the number of screens showing the respective movies, given the money which they took, is still impressive for Kingsglaive. Works out at roughly $2000 per screen more than Independence Day: Resurgence.
>>344791585
Good meme i like it +1
>>344791287
>44 screens
It was meant to be direct to video, idiot. It's only on 44 screens. They expect 95% of their revenue from it through streaming and discs.
>>344791287
But those numbers are actually decent to good considering the number of screens.
Why call it a flop?
>>344797004
Because this is /v/, home of the irredeemable pessimists so everything must be failing.
>>344791450
>The Spirit Within
What the fuck they were thinking?
>>344796662
>modern/futuristic time period
>business centric ecosystem
>monarchy
Fashion related business "suits" seems to fit the world/situation quite well in my opinion. Curiously, what type of clothing would you personally expect them to be wearing?
>>344796903
That's pretty impressive considering there was no advertising.
>>344796845
That sounds petty. Coming from an avatarfag though, I shouldn't be surprised.
Did Enix join Square in the first place bedcause they were dying? Pretty sure Enix did themselves in by producing a bunch of niche appeal games.
>>344796159
I actually don't mind that their designs are a bit more down to earth than the previous games which I know has mostly to do with the setting but I see what you mean. I guess that's what happens when you get a high-end fashion company to do character designs.
>>344793564
> but since when they care about western release?
Several games coming out in the west right now but all DQ fans do is whine about how they don't care at all. At all.
Literally impossible to please.
> KH is just alive because disney.
Good headcanon dud
It flopped but the reviews are positive. DVD sales will help.
>>344797225
>DVD
>>344796652
I don't think so, because id even with good retro franchises like Quake and Doom and Wolfenstein wasn't doing well in the modern era and aquiring it would've been quite a big waste of money just for games themselves.
id Tech engine stuff was really the only thing that was worthwhile from the company to acquire so come when id Tech 7 comes out, that's when I would expect the TES and Fallout to switch to.
>>344797264
Nips still use fax anon.
Yeah, DVD sales.
>>344797004
Because everything has to be the next TORtanic.
>>344791287
The same thing will happen with the game too, not so sure final fantasy XVI will exist
>>344797132
>Did Enix join Square in the first place bedcause they were dying?
Man you need to do some more research anon... Enix was the thriving company, and Square was the one driving themselves into bankruptcy. DQ is an extremely popular series in Japan too. So popular in fact, that I've heard they were forced to release it on Sundays due to it affecting attendance at schools. Enix is far from a niche studio.
>>344796845
Yes, it's a shame that Enix published games actually got WW release. Fuckers ruining muh vidyer.
>>344797132
Big part of the reason was that Enix wanted more global release and releases in west in general. Which happened, salty DQfags will cry though.
Talks for merger were already happening before Spirits Within as well.
>>344797225
But it did not flop, at least not yet.
This thread is a prime example of how misinformation and memes are spread on /v/.
>>344797098
I don't know, to be honest. I guess I need to understand the world they're in a bit better before really being able to give a proper opinion. I mean, I don't think they need to be wearing armored bracers and capes or anything, but at the moment I just think for fellows that are spending a good portion of their young adult lives on the battle field they're dressed a bit too sharp.
>>344797331
They are quizzically backwards with tech oddities here and there like fax.
But on the video side of things, they are all on Blu rays. Anime was probably the biggest driver for its uptake, and when /a/ discusses sales of what is doing well, they use Blu ray sales numbers.
You only had to pay for the advance screenin for cinema costs.
It will be free to watch before the game comes out.
>>344796320
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15-director-qanda-the-race-to-the-fi/1100-6429741/
>Is it safe to assume that this is the most expensive game ever made, if account for the entire development cycle, before you took over?
>No, it's not, even including that. From what I've heard, we're nowhere near what Destiny or Grand Theft Auto V [cost].
>But Destiny's budget is projected over a ten-year timeline.
>I suppose if you consider it from when we started Versus XIII, we've been at it for ten years as well. The budgets for all of our projects are controlled quite strictly, but on a company level, so it's not been allowed to go that far out.
>>344797123
>no advertising
They did have some while I was in Japan. Mostly saw flyers, but a few posters here and there.
Why did Square Enix market this so badly?
This could have begun a photorealistic CGI film revolution, one that I've been waiting years for.
Pixar and Dreamworks Animation make movies targeted for little kids with little cartoon characters. While there's nothing intrinsically wrong with what Pixar and Dreamworks makes, CGI animation has a much bigger potential than being a niche market, and this could have expanded the market to wider audiences. There is so much more that can be done with CGI animation, we could enter a new film renaissance, the next generation of cinema.
We got hosed, man. We got hosed.
>devs are gonna be making kickstarters after Squenix goes under
>>344797383
Oh, I forgot Enix makes Dragon Quest. I guess this is the part where you pretend like Square is the devil, because they don't care about selling DQ in the west.
>>344797132
I don't give a shit. They're just another company. Some of my favorite RPGs came from them and have been completely forgetten.
>>344797442
>for fellows that are spending a good portion of their young adult lives on the battle field
Whether this has changed or not, the setting was originally based around modern day Tokyo I believe. As far as combat goes, I believe they are in the middle of being thrown into chaos, and are actually more used to a peaceful life style. The kingdom is thrown into chaos as it is overthrown while the prince is away.
>>344797383
>>344797679
What other properties did Enix own, btw?
>>344797642
What is this??
at least it did better than the new ghostbusters
>>344797679
There is a lot of attrition between Square and Enix staff.
There is some articles about that If I remember.
>>344797503
Some animes still get DVD releases, is uncommon now but mostly for ovas.
>>344797750
>the setting was originally based around modern day Tokyo I believe
That was actually just Insomnia but Lucis in general is still based on modern day Earth.
>>344791287
i hope this means they fire nomura and bring back sakaguchi and make him god emperor of square once again and it stops being shit.
>>344797776
Basically nothing. They published games like Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile and were going to publish Drakengard as well.
But none of that would go beyond US releases and Drakengard could've ended JP only as far as we know. Apparently it got severely censored during development but considering it got Taro cult following, I don't really care.
>>344797750
It's still based on Tokyo, with some classical Western influences. And the crown city had been at peace for a hundred years before shit went down, so they weren't exactly raised on the battlefield.
>>344797967
What?
>>344797967
I was surprised when Sakaguchi was at one of the events recently. I was hopeful that it meant something but Sakaguchi is busy with his own company, Mist Walker Studios, so I doubt he'll come back.
>>344791287
>44 screens
>makes less than half a mil
No shit
>>344797679
>I guess this is the part where you pretend like Square is the devil, because they don't care about selling DQ in the west.
The devil? No, it just makes them bad at making business decisions since DQ games can sell in the west.
>>344797776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Enix_games
>>344797829
A very incredible realistic character rendering by two Japanese CGI artists Yuka Ishikawa and Teruyuki Ishikawa, using Autodesk Maya, ZBrush, MARI, Quixel 2.0, Photoshop, Shave and Haircuts, Nuke, and Vray.
http://www.spoon-tamago.com/2015/10/14/meet-saya-the-incredibly-realistic-computer-generated-japanese-schoolgirl/
>>344797994
>100 years
I'm very likely mistaken, but I thought the reason Noct and Luna were even getting married was for the sake of peace and uniting two nations that were otherwise sort of scowling at one another??
>>344797642
>>344797642
They tried to initiate the CGI revolution with a movie called The Spirit Within, and it ended as one of the biggest failures in movie history (part of it because the movie was actually ahead of its time).
I agree that realistic CGI has a potential, especially since the West thinks that CGI movie should only be cartoon designs for kids.
However if you ask me I'd rather have Japan keeping with hand-drawn since they're the only country left in the world making it.
>>344798018
Sakaguchi, the man who created the Final Fantasy series, and was the final say in all creative endeavors in the games.
Spirits within bombed.
So they blame Sakaguchi, and put him in the time out seat that Japanese businessmen have for people they want to fire but firing people looks bad so they just give them nothing to do until they quit.
Which is what happened to Sakaguchi. The second he left, and Square merged with Enix, all square games have sucked.
All of them. every single one.
Nomura is why all square characters, plots, and settings suck ass. He gained too much fame for probably one of the most mediocre jobs in FF7 (character design) and has run the FF series into the ground.
>>344797776
They worked really close with Quintet and Chunsoft.
Actriaser
Dragon Quest
Soul Blazer
Terranigma
Illusion of Gaia
Robotrek
All stuff that I thought was better than the shit Square shat out.
>>344794926
shhh dont make sense or shit posters will start flipping out
>>344798117
Every single DQ title except for the MMO and a few spin-offs got released in the West. What on earth are you whining about?
>>344798126
I genuinely thought the first photo you posted was real but the tie is what still looks a bit off. Everything else is stellar though.
>>344798253
That nostalgia goggle, anon. The industry changed and the series changed along with it. Don't like it? Get the fuck over it.
>>344791287
You do realise that this movie will be free in a months time right?
Ticket sales mean nothing other than getting a bit of marketing money back.
People only paid to see it in a cinema.
It literally cannot bomb since it was intended to bring in 0 rev.
>>344798126
>incredibly realistic computer generated japanese schoolgirl
>not being molested
Naw, I don't find it realistic at all...
>>344798253
Are you feeling okay?
>>344794154
15 has a flying transforming car and you can psshhh nothing personnel kid across the battlefield. New FF is anything but attuned to reality.
>>344792537
2 flags
So basically almost no one actually read the article and everyone is wishing for Square Enix to go under anyway.
You just read the blue letters and thought "fuck yeah, its a flop time to shitpost". It is so easy to spread misinformation in this site, specially when it is something negative about something that is popular or has a following.
>>344798253
>The second he left, and Square merged with Enix, all square games have sucked.
What a fucking Sakaguchi cocksucker you are.
>Nomura is why all square characters, plots, and settings suck ass
Ah, you're one of those "let's blame Nomura even when he has nothing to do with anything" guys.
>and has run the FF series into the ground.
He's basically been ONE of the producers in many of the games and as a character designer. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>344791287
Too bad, they say the movie is actually pretty good.
Still gonna be watching it while the day 1 patch downloads for the game
>>344795601
Money, presumably.
>>344798286
Man Terranimga was so good. It had it's quirks, but so many good elements. I really wish there was a more fleshed out version of the game.
>>344798126
Looks too clean and her eyes look dead. It's uncanny valley, bro
>>344798487
Everyone in the game can psshhh nothing personnel kid across the battlefield :^)
>>344798253
>Nomura is why all square characters, plots, and settings suck ass.
He has way less to do with FF than you and lots of other people think. I mean blame him for Vaan when he literally wasn't involved with XII at all.
>>344798208
It's a bit complicated. Lucis and Niflheim had been warring with each other for a long time. Then, about a hundred years ago, Lucis put up a magic shield around their crown city, making the heart of the country invulnerable but also throwing the provinces to the wolves. Now, 100 years later, they're pretty much beaten, torn by internal tensions and out of options. Hence the peace treaty.
>0 BD sales for Brotherhood anime
OH SHIT FUCKING BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMB
>>344798613
>Stabs a rhino in the butt
>>344798619
*people blame
>>344791287
Didn't they already fucked up with the Captain Harlock movie not too long ago?
It was beautiful and interesting until mid movie gets nonsensical and corny and ends up on the most stupid plot twist ever.
>>344798509
For something with no advertisement and anything, sure, it seems like it did well for what it is but the problem is that CGI like that does not come cheap.
There is no way anything under half a million comes close to even paying for around a minute of that movie.
>>344798683
The bds aren't out yet
>>344798629
Ah, thanks for the clarity on that.I need to stop reading about this game before I spoil the entire damn thing for myself but I need to know everything
>>344798253
>He gained too much fame for probably one of the most mediocre jobs in FF7 (character design)
If character design is a meaningless part of the series, how did he supposedly ruin it? His main role in FF has been character design. How the fuck can you be this retarded?
>>344798619
Nomura is just the go-to guy for blaming everything. It's nothing short of a meme.
Toriyama as well is blamed so much. Most people (who whine about him) probably think that XIII was the first game he worked on.
>>344798714
>Not liking corny
Why do you even watch or play Japanese media? It's the only place left where THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP has value
It's made by an anime studio for the most part, no way it cost this much, and those numbers are perfectly normal.
>>344798714
I quite enjoyed that movie. The animation was really nice.
>>344795634
>>344794579
It still looks cool. You've passed puberty and are homosexuals. Congrats.
>>344798358
>>344798474
not realizing he's right.
square went to shit because of insider differences.
there's a reason why all FF's after X have been so radically different and have lost fans over the years.
personally I liked spirits within. it was just ahead of its time and wasn't written as well as it should have been.
it needed more set pieces that wowed the audience and more obvious nods to the series.
>>344798619
>I mean blame him for Vaan when he literally wasn't involved with XII at all.
Man, aside from Vaan, FFXII's designs were great. You're saying Nomura didn't design those characters? I always thought he had a lapse in bad judgement and actually did good designs for once. They should put the FFXII guy back in charge of designs.
>>344798683
Man I want to fuck her so hard and then finish inside her drill hair.
>>344798916
Penelo's design was shit too.
Just thought I'd remind you.
>All these Nomura apologists denying how his lame designs didn't ruin final fantasys image.
>>344798916
>You're saying Nomura didn't design those characters?
Akihiko Yoshida did those I think. IIRC he also did the designs for Tactics and Bravely Default.
>>344798583
Time, actually. The devs had three options: cut it for good (like most devs would have), put the extra stuff in the game and extend the dev time by two years or more, or release it in some other way. The idea of two more years made SE bosses shit bricks, obviously.
>>344798714
Funny thing is Kingslaive is from the same studio.
>>344798916
I thought Akihiko Yoshida did the characters in XII? Or was it just world design?
>>344797075
I never understood why TSW gets so much hate. The story was way better than any of the games desu.
>>344799024
It ruined FF on /v/ because everyone started making fun of "LOL BELTS N ZIPPARS" and so now you were not allowed to unironically like a design with more than 1 belt and 1 zipper in it.
