Can we ignore the sniper healslut a minute and focus on the true update to save Overwatch?
This hasn't really been an issue for me yet, but that's nice.
>FUCK YOU! I WAS GOING TO PLAY _____ MY STATISTICS WITH HIM/HER/XER ARE BETTER THAN YOURS
![Cmefug5WEAAwt8e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9ktLn5U.jpg "Cmefug5WEAAwt8e[1].jpg")
>b-b-but the diverse meta!
Seems like pointless limiting. Some characters work well in doubles.
I played a game of King's Row on defense where the attackers opened with four winstons and two lucios. This is good, but I'll still probably wait for them to fix sudden death.
>>344780753
Sudden death's getting removed and just ending in a tie.
>>344780729
>soon to be 22 heroes
>stacking in comp
Just B.E. yourself.
>>344780483
After facing a team of four Zaryas and two Lucios last night I realized how much this game needed a hero limit.
It's gonna be really annoying if you solo queue though, good luck convincing that Pharah on your team that you're a crackshot with her and that he'd be better picking something else instead.
>>344780720
>yfw this is the same as tf2 sixes
if you dont medic/demo/scoutx2/soldierx2 you're a fucking retard, unless you're off classing for a second
Thank fuck.
I thought this would be the case when the competitive mode launched. Was pretty upset when it wasn't.
So is meta going to change from 2 of Mercy/Lucio to just Ana on both teams cucking anyone out of healing and then 5 others?
>they actually removed hero stacking
I hope you fun hating faggots are happy. Enjoy your stale dota meta game and instalock trolls pissing everyone of before the match even begins.
>>344781046
>fun hating
Quick play still exists.
>>344781046
Every game will evolve toward a meta. It's nothing to be annoyed about.
>>344780483
Pretty much my issue is the mixed matching. I want solo queues.
>>344780720
i played against this meta
bastion shuts it down
the real meta is just hero swapping
>>344781169
>>344781153
>>344781137
>literally defending having less options
Hey genius, it's not OP if both team can do it. If the other team stacks heroes, you just stack counters to them. How hard can it be?
>>344781487
Are you sure Tracer cant just blink ult then trace back to insta-gib you or leave you low health for the other tracer/ Winston to finisb you off?
>>344780949
>9 classes
>22 heroes
>>344781169
With blizzard balance it is a cobcern
>>344780245
do it in competitive and leave quick play alone
>>344781547
You can only have 2-3 options by definition of what META is.
>>344781547
Because there's literally no hard counter to Tracer
>Mei, Winston
>tracer just shoot out of M1 range
>McCree
>implying a good tracer will go within stun throw range
>76
>need to be good at aiming to stand equal chance against Tracer
>>344781862
junkrat?pharah?
also changes/buffs
>Zenyatta:
ult is 300 hps instead of 200
50 more shields
moves twice as fast during his ult
>D.Va change:
"D.Va's Defense Field, instead of clicking it and it lasting three or four seconds and having a long cooldown, it's now something where you can toggle it on and off and there's a meter that runs that."
>Mercy:
she can now move while she ults
ult charge is being slowed down
damage boost on right click being increased
>>344781862
Tracers weapons are shit at long range. If she wants to damage McRee she needs to get closer to him. Also, learn to aim with his fucking primary. McRees sole purpose is to counter Tracer and Genji.
>>344780245
>can only have one per team
So they basically confirmed without nerfing that there are characters that are overpowered.
>>344781547
Overwatch isn't a game where you get a chance to counter. Every CP map is a coinflip.
Do you
>Pick a reaper and Tracer to counter a possible double Winston
Or
>Go with a standard line up but risk getting BTFO by Double Winston
Remember the attackers are at an advantage because they spawn closer to the first point and can risk using quirky tactics. If the defenders lose the first point, it's easy for the attackers to snowball into last and win. Also Triple Tracer on KOTH is silly
>>344780245
This will be a good idea until you realize that you keep losing matches because chucklefuck retards keep misusing characters that are arbitrarily cockblocked from the players who know what theyre doing with them.
>>344782321
Then fix the map instead of removing options. Did any of you fags ever play Doto or LoL? You niggers have no idea what you've asked for when you requested 1 hero limits. Now every team that isn't a 5 premade will devolve into a toxic shitfest before the match even begins.
>4 premade
>random shitters instalock our mains
>cant play our favorite composition
Pure cancer. Everyone who asked for this (90% of the playerbase) should be gassed.
>>344781046
You can switch the hero mid-game if someone troll locks and then switches to his actual hero.
>>344782194
> "D.Va's Defense Field, instead of clicking it and it lasting three or four seconds and having a long cooldown, it's now something where you can toggle it on and off and there's a meter that runs that."
so they've made her rein
>>344782194
>damage boost on right click being increased
outstanding, time for more pharah mercy combos
>>344782194
>damage boost on right click being increased
My fucking dick. What's the new percentage?
>>344781487
>team pulls out bastion to "counter" this
>enemy team just runs quad tracers and kills bastion over and over again
ok
>>344782194
Source?
>>344782871
>randoms
>ever switching
Good joke.
>be tracer main
>switch to winston to rape genji and widow
>cant switch back because some shitter switched to her
Blizzard are fucking morons for listening to the vocal minority of terrible players, removing any fun this game has in favor of ""balance"". Quick play and competitive are now competently different games. All I ever wanted was visible MMR for quick play, not some pseudo esport pandering trash.
>>344781046
what??/ they actually removed it?
motherfuckers
>>344783143
>>344782996
How about picking quad mcree then? High noon takes like 0.5 seconds to lock onto tracer. His gun also has far better range. Learn to aim.
>>344783138
yeah, i think they fucked it up
it was a great feature
>People still play this shit game
LOL
Is this real?
What happened to their bullshit about countering and not limiting teams
Hahahaha
Now where is higher tick on quick play
>>344783267
>we want the Destiny audience
>>344782924
50%
>>344782686
>toxic
Remove yourself from this website
>>344783362
it sold 10 million games on a week
your memes have no power here you negro
>>344783271
>McCree
lmbao
>>344783514
That's too much.
>>344783267
Tali
>>344781046
Buff bastion.
>>344780245
>>344783547
Right, because a game selling a lot means it's good. FO4 sold a lot so it was clearly the pinnacle of the Fall Out franchise.
>>344783271
stop posting
>>344781046
Suck it underage cuck
being able to hero stack was one of the few things that made the game fun. This is why try-hards ruin everything.
>>344783267
This just looks like a Hunter from Destiny
>>344783427
its loke in other mobas, pick 5 of the same character and all goes to shit
>Still playing this shitpile if you're solo
Le Em Ay Oh!
>>344783523
>implying that's not the right word for the average overly hostile interaction in these types of games
Telling people to kill themselves or calling them faggots on 4chan is just harmless banter for the most part, but these kind players actually instill genuine hatred into everyone else, turning them toxic as well. Do you want to have fun, or do you want to fantasize about smashing our own teammates head in with a lead pipe?
>>344780245
>save Overwatch
Good one son. There is so much wrong and flat-out missing you can't be serious with this shit. Maybe in a year from now if they stop being arrogant cunts, it's going to be playable.
>>344782151
junkrat is tracer food
pharah is decent vs tracer
>>344783271
>nerf mcree he toostronk
>wahh wahh remove hero stacking because we cant counter tracer anymore
Don't you see where this shit leads?
>>344783798
you can still do it in quickplay
>>344783267
That's a Vanu cunt
>>344783710
Overwatch is great.
It will provide me with FUN for a long time to come
and there's nothing you can do to change that fact
Well, that will probably result more in you being annoyed that somebody is playing a character terribly on your team.
I fucking love the D.Va thing though, holy shit that sounds useful.
When will the mods ban this cancer to /vg/?
>>344780753
Sudden death is being removed but reportedly not until season 2
>>344783820
Lel you are right.
>>344784126
what dva thing
>>344784286
How about you read the thing this thread is about, or at least the thread?
>>344784117
Good for you. Take your mediocre title and it's 200 threads a day to fucking /vg/ and jerk off to Mercy porn there.
>>344783985
There's no mute button in OW?
>>344783483
>>344783663
>>344784104
None of these are wrong holy shit blizzard get it together
>>344784337
umad? umad bro?
umad at fun, faggot??
>>344784286
Changed her defense matrix to be on a meter instead of a cooldown, so you can have it up like Reinhardt's shield, but it burns down the longer you have it up. at max charge, you can have the Defense Matrix up for about 4 seconds.
>>344784325
the thread is about hero stacking
>Fixed a bug that sometimes caused Roadhog to accidentally Chain Hook targets standing behind him
Wow they buffed Roadhog by 50% holy shit.
>mcree long range dmg buff
Nice
>>344784431
The thread seems to be about the update that's detailed only in the Gamespot article.
>>344780245
So now you will have people rushing to pick their favorite character and people trolling because "he picked muh main"
Kek, they're doing literally everything every moba did wrong and they don't give a shit
Zenyatta
Base shields increased by 50 (now 50 Health/150 Shield)Orb of Discord and Orb of HarmonyProjectile speed has been increased from 30 to 120TranscendenceMovement speed is now doubled upon activationHealing amount increased from 200 to 300 health per second
Roadhog
Whole HogUltimate cost increased by 45%
Soldier: 76
Heavy Pulse RifleSpread recovery will begin after a short delay (rather than instantly)Tactical VisorUltimate cost increased by 10
Mercy
Caduceus StaffDamage BoostBonus damage increased from 30% to 50%Effect will no longer stacks with bonus damage provided by another MercyResurrectUltimate charge cost increased by 30%Movement is no longer prevented during activationGuardian Angel instantly resets upon use
Lúcio
Sound BarrierUltimate cost increased by 10%
McCree
PeacekeeperNow maintains full damage at longer distances, but will deal less damage at extreme ranges
Bastion
Configuration: TankUltimate cost increased by 10%
D.Va
Defense MatrixCooldown decreased from 10 seconds to 1 secondA new resource meter has been added. This meter will deplete while Defense Matrix is active and then recharge when it’s not in use.Defense Matrix takes 10 seconds to reach full charge from emptyAt a full charge, Defense Matrix will last for 4 secondsDefense Matrix will now remain active as long as its assigned hotkey is heldDefense Matrix has been reclassified as an alternate fire and is now bound to RMB (by default)An option to “Toggle Defense Matrix” has been added under Options > Controls > D.VaSelf-DestructUltimate cost decreased by 15%Explosion delay reduced from 4 seconds to 3 secondsExplosion no longer damages D.Va (the player who activates it)
>>344784745
source?
>>344784868
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20178523#patchnotes
>>344784745
>Self-Destruct Ultimate cost decreased by 15%
>Explosion delay reduced from 4 seconds to 3 seconds
>Explosion no longer damages D.Va (the player who activates it)
ALLAHU AKBAR
>caring about the meta in a casual game
>>344782194
>ult charge is being slowed down
Now literally no one will play herI will admit that it was stupid fast, though
>>344784868
kys..
>>344784745
Holy shit the D.Va buffs
>better Defense Matrix
>Ult charges faster
Comp sucks no matter how they fix it, it's just inherently bad.
I'll gladly take a two (or three) char-limit for quick play though
>>344785320
>it blows up faster
>It doesn't do dmg to yourself
>>344785320
It's not really better, it just lets you turn it on and off at will, the recharge is still 10 seconds.
>>344785135
+50% dmg beam is pretty fucking good though
>Can we ignore the sniper healslut a minute
I don't know what you're talking about, I don't keep up with upcoming updates and shit I just play. They're adding another character?
>>344785175
baka....
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY NERF BASTION EVEN MORE
WHY
>>344780245
>team getting raped by character X
> decide to switch to their counter
>someone else is already playing them
>they're playing awfully
>procede to lose
thanks blizz
>>344785135
You kidding? 50% damage boost buff. Shits crazy.
>>344784424
its a shame its not actually gonna help her shit hitbox or damage
i might make her a little better but not by much
>>344785604
So that they could buff him somewhere else
>>344780245
Is this real? Ive been saying this should happen since day one, this will fix like 90% of all balance issues.
>>344780483
>Sudden death
>On attack
>They go full Torb
>By the time we get to the point and realize it the match is half over
>We just happen to have a bunch of Tanks and no hard counters
>No time to switch
>Lose
Shit like that, with the wrong team comp you can just completely fuck over the enemy team and abuse the small time limit.
>>344781046
>>344781547
HAHAHA OMG A TEAM OF TORBJORNS SO FUNNI XD XD XD THIS WILL NEVER GET OLD A TEAM OF GENJIS ROFLMAO MY SIDES ARE IN ORBIT SO FYNNI LAOLMAO
>>344782268
any tracer with half a brain against a mccree will just save rewind for the stun. which isn't asking much considering you only need half a brain to play a tracer
>>344785606
>game forces players to coordinate their tactics and play as a unit
>bad
get raped
>>344780245
all this is going to bring is OMG SWITCH OFF X YOU FUCKING SUCKKKKK I WANNA PLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>344781487
>bastion shuts it down
>bastion
>shuts down Tracer
HAHA
>>344783271
>McCree
>Able to hold the fucking point against Tracer.
HAHA
>>344785504
Yes.
There's a new support sniper called Ana.
She's phara's mum. She shoots people with magic healing darts n' shit
>>344782194
>Ult charge being slowed down
THANK THE LORD. That shit so was so annoying. It made certain maps fucking impossible on attack.
When does this go up? I can't play right now
>>344785440
>it just lets you turn it on and off at will
That's better though, you can now use it a little bit and don't have to wait for the full charge.
>>344785974
You can download the PTR on PC and play it right now.
>>344780949
Remember that all classes in TF2 are used in 6s. Also, some players use different weapons.
Remember that official comp has no weapon bans and class limits.
>>344783710
He called you a negro and he was right
>>344785912
>>344783585
I used to main McCrutch before the nerf and now I main Tracer. He is still a viable counter if you dont suck.
>>344785606
and if you ask them to switch off they'll probably act like the lol community
>>344786131
*wait in queue
>>344780245
kills creative meta, no the update is shit they shouldn't limit it to less then 2
>>344785956
>sniper healer
literally outshodowed by lucio or mercy
>>344786437
>creative
lamuo
>>344785869
As long as you get matched with randoms, yeah. We rarely ever get 6 people together for comp on our TS.
>>344786305
>before the nerf
He'll be better than ever once the patch hits. Mercy damage boost is now 50%. He'll bodyshot for 105 and headshot for 210 damage. Flash+HS will even take out reaper now.
>>344786437
If you want to do "fun" strategies then use quick play. There's just so much obnoxious shit you can do with hero stacking.But more than that I'm just glad that I don't have to deal with double Hanzo/ Double Bastion/ Double any shitty class idiots again.
>>344781046
Video games are about epeen. Fun has nothing to do with it.
>>344780245
>already limiting the players option
how long until they have a pick ban phase and see chaarcters being overshadowed by others with the same role.
becasue they are ehading there pretty fast without having a real tournament yet.
>>344780245
Play TF2 the true masterpiece, not some flavour of month game.
/r/TF2 masterrace reporting in
>>344786603
Yeah, I realized how good McCree still is after having a Mercy pocket me. Hitting with the revolver aint easy, but when it his, it hits like a truck. Fuck blizzard and fuck the morons who asked for stacking to be removed. Competitive can go suck a dick now for all I care.
>>344786612
>. There's just so much obnoxious shit you can do with hero stacking.
thats the point to have a lot of options why take this away from comp ?
>>344786612
>implying this works
We tried this on Anubis attack and got fucked.
>>344781487
pro level play != rank 40's play
>Good with Mei, Mercy, Reaper, Tracer, and Reinhardt
I am okay with this as this will at least make the matches somewhat bearable.
>>344780245
>overwatch
>comptetetive overwatch
>>344780245
>SWITCH FROM REAPER OR I LEAVE
>>344786881
I didn't know there was a moving objective on Anubis.
>>344786881
Yeah because that's not a Payload map retard.
>>344786612
Kill yourself.
>>344786780
My negro.
>>344780689
enjoy playing with 2 shitty hanzos or against 2 amazing lucios
>>344786612
>>344786972
>>344786967
Ever heard of junkrat? How can you loose against a team with literally zero range?
>Overwatch
>Competitive
>Hearthstone
>Competitive
>>344786779
>still is
He's ok now, a little subpar. When the patch hits he will be insane again. Even with a mercy now you need three bodyshots to kill people, or one HS and a body. After the patch he will instagib any 200 hp hero with a headshot, or kill them in two bodyshots.
He's going to be fucking ridiculous, even better than before the fan nerf. A lot fucking better.
>>344786780
Because a lot of reasons. In short, it just ruins the game forces a narrow meta. See >>344780720
>>344787136
Why are you asking me if I heard of Junkrat? And Reinhardt has a ranged ability dipshit. Also, Reinhardt's hammer will probably loosen up anybody.
>>344787136
I'm not saying that would work in a serious competitive map, but you've played this game randos are fucking stupid they would'nt think to counterpick. There's also the immortal issue of the Attack being more flexible with trying absurd shit at the very beginning and if the Defense didn't pick the right team then Attack can just steamroll them as they struggle to catch up.
>>344784745
>Defense MatrixCooldown decreased from 10 seconds to 1 secondA new resource meter has been added. This meter will deplete while Defense Matrix is active and then recharge when it’s not in use.Defense Matrix takes 10 seconds to reach full charge from emptyAt a full charge, Defense Matrix will last for 4 secondsDefense Matrix will now remain active as long as its assigned hotkey is heldDefense Matrix has been reclassified as an alternate fire and is now bound to RMB (by default)An option to “Toggle Defense Matrix” has been added under Options > Controls > D.VaSelf-DestructUltimate cost decreased by 15%Explosion delay reduced from 4 seconds to 3 secondsExplosion no longer damages D.Va (the player who activates it)
Holy shit, though I would've also liked for her shift to be done with the same meter the defense matrix hasif this is true and not complete bullshit.
>>344786612
>double mei on hanamura
>gate permanently ice walled
>>344785440
That's a fuck ton better though. You can always have it up to eat small but powerful abilities, like Zarya's ult.
Why would you ever play a fucking game like Overwatch in competitive? Either way, anyone masochistic enough to watch streams of this will probably appreciate not seeing the same 3-4 goddamn characters across 12 players. Even fighting games are like nigga this is samey as fuck.
>>344787365
Hero limits is making the random problem worse you dumb nigger. Go install LoL or Dota and see for yourself.
>>344780483
>about to win control point match
>match goes into overtime
>3 people switch to tracer
>they contest the point
>they contest the point
>they contest the point
>1 minute of overtime
>they contest the point
>they contest the point
>they contest the point
>only one tracer has died but she came back immediately
>eventually they take the point
>we switch to tracer
>now there's 2 meis on the enemy team
>they wall both entrances
>our team gets pulse bombed twice in the space of a few seconds
>they win
I fucking hate this game sometimes
>>344783267
>that skin
LEWDS FUCKING WHEN
>>344787516
Yeah but "randos are stupid" is just part of any competitive game. Nobody in the top percentiles play solo-queue. Nobody. They're going to design the game to work for the best players in the competitive mode, even if it fucks over low-mid range players.
>>344785604
The only reason his ult requires more charge is because self healing now builds your ult charge. Lucio, solider, and roadhog were ult-charge nerfed for the same reason
>>344783267
>we want the Tali audience
>>344787216
and this wotn happen on comp now?
are your eally that naiveto think this game wont have cookie cutter compositions yet.
it just made a lot fo options impossible now.
How long until they add a banning phase and rpevent repeated hereos on each team?
>>344787446
thats the only progress you can feel with this game.
>not seeing the same 3-4 goddamn characters across 12 players
instead is going to be the same 5-6 ones across each team.
>>344787807
>even if it fucks over low-mid range players.
Then whats the point of playing comp if youre not some ESL shitter?
>>344787807
>lets make half the userbase not care about the mode if they are not aiming to be mlg players.
jeez
I don't know how hard this would be to implement, but I feel like Blizzard should let players set a preferred hero for each class and use that data to better match people. Seems like it could potentially allow for smoother character selection by randomizing which class the player gets slotted into and also taking into account map type.
>>344787940
There will still be a meta, that's inevitable, and there are already heroes that are solely situational and never picked out the gate. The "options" that have been closed off where never really incapable of being answered with "Well, I guess WE have to hero stack now" anyway. It just makes the game more fun and less annoying at the high levels.
>>344787954
>>344788075
Business, it's just business business. Blizzard really wants to jump into e-sports now that it's starting to become an actual thing, and they want Overwatch to be one of the first games to be treated that way. To put it how /v/ normally does, you don't HAVE to want to be an MLG shithead to play competitive but if you want avoid getting your shit pushed in all you have to do isgit gud
>>344788214
that will incrase queue times.
>>344784745
>PeacekeeperNow maintains full damage at longer distances, but will deal less damage at extreme ranges
I need to know exactly how long those distances are so I can compare him with Soldier 76's rifle.
>>344788785
"So, we're increasing his effective distance, making his range similar to Soldier: "
>>344781046
You can still do it in Quick Play, doofus.
>>344788942
>making his range similar to Soldier
I see. I was expecting it to be a bit better range than 76's rifle to make up for the single shot nature of the revolver and give McCree a better option to be picked compared to Soldier in certain scenarios, but with 76's nerf to burst fire it might do it anyway.
>>344788526
>The "options" that have been closed off where never really incapable of being answered
those options doesnt only encapsule the 2x tracer 2xwinsor start. It aslo closed a lot more options than that but instead of fixing the map that allow them to be too OP or the heroes themselves they remove one of the unique features that different them from most class based games out there.is lazy design and pretty much reinfiorce that each spot of the team MUST be taken by one role in particular.
>Blizzard really wants to jump into e-sports now that it's starting to become an actual thing
with that low skill celling and 20 tic fps? and now with less options for starts?
>>344789189
>burst nerfed
>McCree oneshots if damage boosted
Soldier is dead.
i'm not even mad when saying that this is good 'cause we got a bunch of characters and we dont get cucked by double teaming with the same type of character. Lookin at you, Double or more Torbjorns & Bastions in the defense. Never asked for it though but really wanna see if people are gonna BTFO or think this'll be good.
STILL, Blizz doesn't get that what's fucking Competitive is actually the leavers and random DC's. GET YOUR SHIT UP BLIZZ!
>>344788197
Wow already with the comics.
>>344780245
>This
>Saving anything
This is just Blizzard admitting they're so incompetent at balancing that rather than fixing how broken some characters are, they're applying a bandaid fix that in the long run will change nothing every team will have the same 6 characters).
>>344785604
What happened to Bastion
>>344781046
Yeah because the gorilla rush to cap first point/Tracer infinite overtime meta is so much more engaging and fun.
>>344781039
>Just Ana
Ana's rate of fire isn't amazing, anon. You're going to need another healer.
>inb4 Zennyatta
No.
It'll probably be Ana and Lucio for KOTH. Mercy and Lucio for the hybrids and assault maps.
>>344789617
They want to make it like DotA and make everything broken.
>>344786572
>he solo-queues comp
You deserve to lose.
>>344789841
lay off those dank memes, pepe.
Symettra
>Moved from support to defender.
>Symettra’s turrets now can link together, if they are in close proximity to one another, increasing their health and damage output.
>Cool down on Symettra’s turrets decreased.
>Shields and their recharge rate remain the same.
>Teleporter charges slightly faster.
>Symettra’s Photon Projector deals slightly less damage.
Zenyatta
>Health/Shields increased to 200.
>Orb of Destruction fire rate slightly increased.
>Zenyatta’s movement speed is slightly increased
>Orb of Discord marker is visible to your whole team.
>Orb of Discord now debuffs and slows enemy rate of fire.
>Orb of Harmony now heals and increases team mates rate of fire.
>Transcendence increases Zenyatta movement speed and healing rate.
Mei
>Decrease health to 200.
There, I fixed some things/
>>344789841
But they still haven't addressed the balancing problems. All they've done is make it so instead of teams being 2 winstons, 2 tracers and 2 lucios, now it'll be winston, tracer, lucio and 3 other characters that never change.
The balance is still shit. Forcing people to pick 6 different characters doesn't change that.
>>344783710
I want anime gone
>>344790007
They don't need to, the players will balance it themselves. That's what DotA does.
>>344785789
>By the time we get to the point and realize it the match is half over
Well that's a loss you deserved.
>>344789996
>Mei
>Decrease health to 200.
Not
>Mei removed from the game
>>344790071
>That's what DotA does.
No it doesn't. DotA meta is defined by huge as fuck patches that introduce tons of new things and change lots of stuff.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/22385/
This is the most recent balance change (I think). Players will decide the meta based off of this patch. Just like they decide the meta after every patch.
The players aren't deciding shit. They're looking at the most recent patch and figuring out what works now and what doesn't.
>>344789996
Mei
>Decrease health to 200.
why she so fucking shit already
>>344789841
except dota has 110 heroes and havea ban system that works.
>>344790071
> the players will balance it themselves
they removed heroe stacking becasue the players couldnt figure shit, it doesnt help all the devs tips and reason they give towards how to play a chaarcter making the userbase not try anything else.
Dota just gives a patch and says good luck.Here you have specific instructions on how to play a heroe and there´s no different ways to play them they have fixed roles.
>>344780245
>Competitive
>Overwatch
>>344790215
It was on Numbani, assuming no one is in your way it takes at least 30 secs to walk to the point. Once you're there, the quickest way back is to die and you don't have enough time to counterpick and retaliate. That's partially why hero stacking / sudden death is so garbage.
>>344789996
>>344790243
>>344790353
Yes, keep hating her, it only makes me stronger
>>344790321
You're an insane retard.
>>344780245
>competitive casual shooter
i don't get it
>>344790565
you too for thinking this balancing si done the same way as dota
>>344790565
No, you're the retard. In DotA the patch defines the meta, and with every patch the meta changes, especially with big patches.
Sure the players figure out the meta, but all they're doing is figuring out what is strong now based on what the patch changed. If the game never got another patch the meta would never change again.
>>344789718
It'll still be Lucio+Mercy because now her damage boost is fucking broken. The slower ult charge doesn't even matter when your McCree can one click their entire team across the map.
>>344790530
literally w+m1
>>344790515
>game devs wants people to "counterpick"
>initial selection is a blindpick
>>344790530
I dont hate her, in fact I love her, please play her more.
>>344780689
>XER
You what, faggot?
>>344790530
I don't hate her, she's very useful in all situations actually, so by gimping her health down to 200, most Mei's will have to be a bit more thoughtful with their actions, instead of the bum rush tactic most have been using.
>>344790836
Your point? You can't just walk into a full Torb setup with 1:30 on the clock and expect to win 100% of the time. Developers even comment that certain characters don't deserve nerfs because they're countered by another. So yes, they expect you to counterpick and that situation is precisely the reason why they're taking away hero stacking. If you could see what the enemy team was picking at the start how the fuck would anyone decide on what to start with? If they had half a brainstem they would just be constantly switching to counter what the other team picked.
>>344790860
>>344791023
I actually use her wrong but feels more effective, sniping with right click fills my ultimate very quick when shit gets closer, don't even use her ice wall
>phara mercy combo already strong
>buff mercy's damage boost
Oh boy wonder what's going to happen now.
>>344786253
Why the fuck would you use Spy or Pyro ever?
>>344791465
finally Phara will be useful, she got the moms boost
>>344791148
They could've just kept hero stacking and removed blindpick, have bans for the initial selection, and no hero switching until death.
>>344791465
>still needs 2 hits to kill
The mercy buff will have a lot more impact on McCree.
>>344780245
wow neat. i had/have no interest in competitive mode or any other similar ranked type try hard bullshit in any game. but if that mode is the only way to escape boring stacked metas, then comp mode here i come.
now just waiting on solo mode where it matches solo players only with other solo players. this game is literally play with a full team or dont play at all. hence why i havent played it in weeks.
>>344780245
Kids will now thow sissy tantrums because "no I chose that hero first" "no I did!". Thanks Blizzard. Literally LoL 2.0.
>>344782883
Better than Rein in someways, given that DM straight up eats a lot of ults
>>344792817
>MOBA with FPS gameplay
>Literally a MOBA 2.0
Thanks Anon.
>>344791465
Trashrat on defense is gonna turn from annoying to a genuine threat.
>Stepping on a 180 damage grenade
WEW
>>344792817
Somebody is mad they don't load in fast enough to pick their faggot hanzo/reaper character
>>344780245
>Still no tickrate increase
60 or bust.
>>344793961
This. It's always the reaper/hanzo/genji fags, you never see first pick Lucio or mercy. Fags just wanna DIE DIE DIE and dragon all over people instead of picking what's good for the team
>>344780245
First they say that changing heroes midgame is part of its mechanics, now this? Can't they decide how the game is suposed to be or let the players decide? Data gathering please.
>>344794058
With favor the shooter, it literally doesn't matter.
>>344795113
You can still change heroes midgame, you just can't have multiples.
>>344780245
thank god this is a thing, i mean its cool to have the whole team as the same hero every now and then but ive ran into so much its annoying now.
>>344795416
...You do realize that is BECAUSE of the low tick rate, right? Because the server sends updates far less frequently than the client updates?
Higher tickrate reduces corner peeking advantages and various other issues that come with low tick rates.
>>344780245
Good, no more "hey guys, lets play whole team torbjörn XD" faggots. (At least in competitive)
>>344796534
Still won't stop Bastion/Symmetra/Torb/Widow/Hanzo drafts. If anything I'd say that's worse.
>>344795643
Single hero team is fun the first time. After that its unfunny cancer desu
>>344780245
YES. YES YES YES YES YES. when?
>>344796473
Except it isn't, because favor the shooter favors higher latency which would only be exacerbated by increasing the tickrate.
>>344780483
Ive yet to play competative. But seeing this is actually gonna be nice. The fact that my internet sucks and get dcs constant, i dont want that shit to coint as a loss.
I actually like this limit one charactwr per player. I see more ups than downs at least now.
>>344791616
alot more now considering Pyro flames now block or nerf healing.
One skilled pyro is now a direct counter to a Soldier/Demoman medic combo. Heavy is still a problem for the pyro.
The Spys speed boost is literally the one thing he needed most as it allows him to stab and get away better.
>>344780245
THANK YOU
>>344796842
Except it fucking is, dipshit. Almost every game that had huge issues with player pings outside of the realm of 600+ (which only very specific games were stupid enough to not drop client data from case in point Rainbow Six Siege) were greatly improved upon by having a higher tickrate.
Battlefield 4 is a great example of this. It favoured high ping players like crazy. After the 60/120/144hz servers were tested, the high ping advantage was significantly reduced in their advantageous positions, but it also greatly affected their DISADVANTAGES as well. While high ping players could still get a slight advantage moving out of cover, they now had a much greater issue when trying to get back in. With a low tickrate, high ping players will receive benefits for BOTH scenarios.
Please stop being so fucking retarded.
>>344796842
It does.
The lower the tickrate the higher the advantage will be.
>>344780245
This will just cause players to argue over who gets to be who during matchup
I hope Doomfist is like Senator Armstrong
>Tank class
>Left click punches
>Right click charge punch or something idk
>E hardens your nanomachines in response to physical trauma for a moderate duration (maybe slow movement but soaks up a lot of damage)
>Shift ground pound aoe damage
>Ult lets you zoom around flattening fools
>Special dialogue with Genji e.g. if Doomfist kills Genji he says "nice knife"
>Suit/frayed suit skins
I'll cry when someone picks Reinhardt before me ;_;
>>344799434
hes probably less of a tank and more of a hard-to-kill assault class. maybe 300-400 hp to make up for his melee range
>>344783663
She voice acted a Quarian so it is actually not a coincidence. Not tali though.
>>344786612
Hero stacking isn't so much overpowered as it is easy to coordinate with zero communication. Where as countering it requires a back and forth conversation with teammates. If you're anything under quad queued, you're going to have some difficulty.
>>344789996
>Weaken a character who's already barely used
>>344786962
>No one will miss you cunt
>>344780245
>no more double tracer
>no more double zarya
>no more double lucio
Tried Ana, Ult is absolutely fucking insane on Genji Ulting, Reaper, and Rein.
Damage is fine for Support since she can't Headshot and more often then not your teammates get in the LoS blocking shots.
Sleeper dart is difficult enough to land with a decent CD and targets seem to "Wake Up" and get in control faster if they are shot immediately after being slept but take a Reinhardt Ult's worth of time to get back in control if they fully go to sleep. Not 100% sure since I can't test it proper.
Grenade has to be aimed fairly well, good for cockblocking Zen Ults or insuring Lucio can't just tap E and UNDASTAND UNDASTAND like a monkey back to full HP. Healing buff is pretty good too but it's also the only way for her to self heal barring medkits which means she absolutely needs to avoid getting hurt.
Ana isn't particularly good, Zen does better, Lucio is still great, and Mercy are all better healers and overall buffers.
Desperately needs a passive grapple hook or climb.
>>344780245
>Whole Hog
>Ultimate cost increased by 45%
So roadhog will now ult <once per match?
>>344801498
His self heal can build up ult now, so they increased it to compensate, we'll have to see how much it affects him though.
>>344780821
I will certainly consider playing competitive if this is true.
>>344787426
>Double Mei keep gate locked
>Double Sym keep window protected by turrrets
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>>344801482
>Zen does better
I refuse to believe this, even with his buff
>lazy devs not even thinking of shit like this until 3+ fucking months post launch
>>344802160
>http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20746674467#1
>We’ve been discussing the idea of hero limits for almost as long as Overwatch has been in development.
>>344797403
You clearly don't understand how favor the shooter works.
>>344780245
>Hey guys, we have this amazing balance technique!
>Yes, yes, you can counter one hero with another, it's crazy!
>Waow!
>W-wait, why are you...?
>Why are you only picking characters that don't have hard counters?
>Hey, player, you're supposed to counter that!
>I don't care that it's a waste of time to switch when winning, counter it!
>Stop stacking heroes, this game isn't about character stats! It's about abilities!
>A-at least we think so? Two generic abilities per character still count!
>Guys, it's our first time designing a game, please go easy on us
>>344786612
The way Blizzard is going to approach this is every month or so, they're going to see what the top pro teams are doing, and then make sure they can't do that anymore. That's how 'balance' works for them.
It's doublestacking now, then pretty much whatever team comp or whatever becomes the new meta gets nerfed so there's just this endless spiral of killing any meta that develops.
>>344780689
I was going to say /thread.
>XER, WHAT THE FUCK
>>344802048
New Zen is amazing, when someone needs heals you can slap it onto them almost instantly even from far distances, same for Discording enemies too. Tap dat button and boom that shit is on someone.
He's no longer a free kill for almost everyone (especially Tracer) and his faster ult is great for getting onto the point or rushing to full heal groups of people.
Ana's problems all stem from not having height advantage. Trying to heal people in a group is impossible at ground level, Tank's humongous asses block LoS all the time on CP.
I'd gladly trade people being able to wake up their Slept comrades with a melee attack for a grapple hook. You know like in Monster Hunter when you kick someone to wake their asses up.
>>344783267
Very halal, i approve.new hero that can throw acid in the face or behead in close range when?
