Is the Kickstarter fad dying? Even a well-regarded established title with proven names attached, clear scope and a playable demo will only manage to limp to just over $1m.
Maybe it's because they're remaking the game nobody cares about.
>>344683024
Empty promises sell far better
>>344683024
Yes.
People are sick of delays and empty promises.
>>344683024
$1mil is a fuck of a lot of money for a kickstarter as it is.
It's more that a handful of overhyped shitboxes like star citizen and mn9 have fucked up our expectations of what a successful one is.
>>344683024
No one wanted a System Shock 1 remake. Especially not one with all those fucking filters and modern game schlock added on.
>>344683024
Were you expecting the remake of a game that is over two decades old, had moderate sales when it was first released and whose sequel was a flop in terms of sales to rake in lots of Kickstarter money?
>>344683024
SHould have made stretch goals that extend up to system shock 5 and you would have easy 3 million on that screenshot
>>344683823
You could have said the same about Deus Ex: Human Revolution or X-Com and both ended up selling a fuckton
>>344683024
Battletech made was backed heavily at the end of last year in what is Hairbrained Scheme's third go around. There are a lot of factors that go into whether a kickstarter is or isn't popular. But I'd sat that SS just being a remake/remaster is a big strike against crowdfunding enthusiasm.
>>344683024
>Expecting people to donate money for System Shock 2
Half the people that praise SS2 didn't even play it. Soon enough it will become a meme game just like Doom that every PCMASTURDRACE claims to "absolutely adore" when in reality they have only watched a couple of videos on Youtube about it.
No one has any money left after the Dark souls board game
>a game no one cares about
>$1M
>Is the Kickstarter fad dying?
>>344683565
I am one of those that want a System shock remake.
I want a Daggerfall remake, actually I wouldn't mind if all good games from the 320X240 resolution graphics times got a remake.
>>344684265
>Expecting people to donate money for System Shock 2
>System Shock 2
is it that fucking hard to read
>>344683024
>Not-so-subtle shill
>>344683024
>claim its remaster when it's actually a reboot
fuck this game, a remaster would mean just change the graphics, but these guys are LITERALLY CHANGING EVERYTHING
>>344683024
>the 1.3 million $ tier unlocks RPG mechanics and crafting
Fuck no. I seriously hope they get 1.299 million and fuck off with that shit.
>>344684275
>Dark souls board game
How is that even possible? Wouldn't it be expensive as fuck to get the go ahead from Namco?
>>344684265
You are retarded. Quit projecting already.
>>344683024
System Shock isn't that popular of a game. Yea, games are good, but nobody played it.
>>344684657
You didn't see the kickstarter? Not sure how to explain it but it looks pretty good. It's made by steamforged games
>>344684738
I played it
Disregarding that SS isn't that popular, normies are being more cautious with backing shit after MN9 and Starbound.
>>344684738
Plenty of people played the first one, even though DOOM and its clones kinda stole the spotlight.
System Shock 2 on the other hand,yeah, it sold like shit but it still became a cult classic.
Its on ps4?
no?
i dont give a shit.
>>344684551
No they fucking aren't, are you retarded? The demo is nearly 1:1 to the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-ctCswyxE
>>344685009
why are you even here then
>>344684551
Holy shit, it's a remake, not a remaster of a reboot. They ALREADY released a remaster of System Shock 1, it's on Steam already as System Shock: Enhanced Edition.
A remake is the game remade from scratch in a new engine, often with key different creative decisions (e.g. Ratchet & Clank PS4, Black Mesa). They're expensive so they're rare.
A remaster is the same game ported to modern platforms, sometimes with some sprucing up and patching up (e.g. Uncharted Collection, Day of the Tentacle, Cel Damage HD). They're cheap but often shit.
A reboot is an entirely new game that uses a completely different engine that may or may not have a strong connection to the original game (e.g. Thief, the new Prey)
2K owns it and are just being jews, no one gullible enough except those who are delusional to give money to it.
>>344684000
That's a bit debateable.
Deus Ex 1 is considered to be the greatest PC game of all time and got dozens of GOTY awards upon its release. SS1 was received well by critics by it did not get that kind of reception.
Human Revolution was certainly not a flop but last time I checked it sold a little over 2 million copies across all platforms. By no means a flop but, certainly a good number, but it didnt set the gaming world on fire either.
I'm not familiar with the X-Com franchise.
>>344685145
2K organized a fucking kickstarter? Isn't this a scam?
>>344684657
Uhh, it's like any licensed merchandise. They pay a royalty to the published for every copy sold. It's win/win, because companies like free money
>>344684658
>being this asshurt
Did I tickle your millennial ass faggot? You can grab both Doom and SS quite easily on the internet, it's not too late.
>Reached its goal 16 days in advance
>Might actually catapult to 2 million before the end, more than what most Kickstarters receive
>Durr it's dying
I'm sure that there's proof that less people are donating through Kickstarter, but this isn't it.
>>344685285
hows it a scam? just because the publisher "isn't indie"?
>demo was beyond dumbed down and barebones compared to the original even if you only play the original for the same length as the demo
>full orchestrated soundtrack that wants to be Bioshock so fucking bad because that's what the normalfags recognize
>the original soundtrack will only be implemented if they get 1.9mil
>except to get to 1.9mil they'll have to pass the stretch goal that will add goddam crafting and fucking RPG mechanics to the game
Honestly, I'm surprised this even reached the 900k they were asking for in the first place.
>>344685254
>Deus Ex HR
>only 2 millions
Maybe in the first month.
>>344685009
Who cares about a PS4 version. Game was a PC exclusive in the first place.
System Shock 1 or 2 have never been on any console ever.
I hope there is no console port.
>>344685394
No way it reaches $2m. It'll hit the $1.4m stretch goal if it does *really* well from this point forward.
>>344683024
Autists are being more careful with their welfare checks after the Mighty No 9 and Bernie Sanders fiasco
>>344685009
The demo is in Unity, a console version would run like utter shit
(Fuck Unity)
>>344685419
One of the largest video game pubs doesn't need a kickstarter to fund their game
>>344685440
demo was beyond dumbed down and barebones compared to the original even if you only play the original for the same length as the demo
Stop exaggerating for one second. Play the original to the same point as the demo, the only major difference is that the demo gives you the door code on the wall, they stated this because they hadn't recorded the voice lines for the email that gives the code like in the original.
>>344685459
Most big games sell most of their copies in their first few weeks.
I can't find any other numbers and I'm not willing to turn to vgchartz.
>>344685709
Need is irrelevant.
If you choose to donate money to a game, that's your own business.
>>344685598
who is that semen demon?
>>344685846
Steamspy has DE:DR-DC on 1.3m copies alone, so 2m seems low as fuck.
>>344685340
Listen grandpa, take your fucking meds you old faggot.
No one aside from gayming journalists pretend to play and "adore" old games. I've played System Shock before. You are the one who got all butthurt and claim that people name drop these games you old fart. Now fuck off. You have no proof of your claims.
>>344685570
It really wouldn't surprise me if it hits at least 1.5 mil. A lot of donators make up their minds and near the end of the time limit. Also I remember people on here saying that this won't be funded more than $600,000, so I'm more apt to believe that it'll be a nice success that hits its stretch goals smoothly as opposed to a failure.
>>344686032
Then you gettin scammed if you do. If a prince from Nigeria convinces you to give him all your money that's your own business. Need is irrelevant.
>>344686230
/v/ expects everything to be the next TORtanic
>>344686289
A little different. The Nigerian prince doesn't give you incentives for doing so.
>>344686230
>A lot of donators make up their minds and near the end of the time limit.
This is true. I strongly considered donating, but wanted to see stretch goals first. I ussually only donate to these things in the last day or so.
>>344686423
Actually he does. He promises a cut of his fortune locked up in some Nigerian bank accounts.
>kikestarter
>even once
>>344686554
And you never get it. Backers do get their rewards. What nigerian prince gave a cut of their fortune?
>>344686548
The stretch goals are to add bad things that SS1 didn't have like RPG elements.
Enjoy, SS1 fans ^___________^
>>344685709
>2K owns System Shock
And do you have a source for that?
Nightdive owns the rights for the series now.
You're telling me if we don't give you X amount, we'll get the game, but not really what your target audience wants. It's slimier than DLC. This KS to me is a perfect example of a company that is banking on brand only. They're fucking clueless if they think "RPG mechanics" in System Shock are to be an afterthought. Who the hell is this game even for at that point?
It just seems so disingenuous to do.
>>344686097
Just double checked. It did in fact sell a little over 2 million between its launch and the 30th september.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-04-deus-ex-human-revolution-sells-2-18-million
So I take back what I said, roughly 2 million is not in fact Human Revolutions lifetime sales. However, that still leaves the question of how many it sold after that period.
>>344686681
Their "rewards," like all those "rewards" in MN9 or posters of Beck's ugly mug. Or their "rewards" like the 3DS version that isn't even released yet.
>>344683440
AAA games need at least 50 mil
>>344686839
Probably half a million give or take.
>>344686685
I've only played SS2 and not 1. How are adding RPG elements bad, legit question.
>>344686639
Texture filtering just blurs textures together right? Not using it just leaves sharper pixels like little squares on things?
I honestly don't mind that to much. I prefer sharpness over blur.
Working on projects is expensive. So kickstarters seem like a good idea, in tell you run out of money. Then your forced to make cutbacks or release what you got. Although sometimes companies just lie and do it for the money
>>344686868
Rewards are rewards. Don't confuse them with stretch goals.
>>344686195
>You have no proof of your claims.
Seeing all these millennials shitting their pants about the new D44M is all the proof I need. Anybody that actually played Doom back when it was somewhat new knows that the D44M has lost a lot of what made Doom great in the first place.
>No one aside from gayming journalists pretend to play and "adore" old games
Maybe talk with a real human being once in a while instead of forming your opinion here.
>>344686723
You have never played System Shock 1. Kill yourself. The "RPG Mechanic" mile stone is to attract people who only played System Shock 2 and thing that the original was exactly the same.
>>344686913
Look at the name. If you don't know who that is, type it into google.
>>344686639
wait, that dota 2 faggot is working on the system shock remake?
>>344687050
The people who selected the 3DS didn't even get their fucking game, bro.
>>344686913
SS1 was not an RPG FPS like SS2
>>344687240
Oh okay, what was it then? I have it in my backlog currently and am looking forward to playing it after I finished my Thief trilogy playthrough.
>>344683024
If anything this proves it's alive and kicking.
>>344687134
>tfw SS2 fans are scum "normies" to SS1 fans
That makes my day a little bit
>>344687427
A mix of action adventure and FPS, I'd call it. Wikipedia, on the other hand, classifies it as "action role playing game".
>>344687056
Yeah I don't think anyone shitting themselves over new doom claimed to love the old doom games. Stop being an emotional faggot.
>>344687469
If you don't at least double your goal your KS is a failure bro
>>344686289
even EA and Ubishit could make a new kikestarter, you know? does it mean they're forcing people to fund it? no. just like they don't force people to buy their yearly rehashed franchises. if people are stupid, that's not their problem.
>>344683823
>>344683134
>>344684551
>>344685009
>>344686639
>I don't want this, want skyrim/battlefield/watchdogs2
You hate variation?
>>344688032
Why are you quoting me >>344683823? I was merely stating facts.
I've played SS1. It was good and I hope the remake turns out good but I'm trying to be realistic. It'll pass 1 million but its not gonna break any records.
>>344687592
Do you even talk to real people dude?
Half of the GAYMUR crowd nowadays claim to love all these milestones in videogame history like Doom and Thief because they are old and people on Youtube said they were really good back then.
>>344683024
That it's a well-regarded title is why there will be people who don't want to see it remade into a generic FPS.
Nobody wants another Thief.
>>344688570
what makes it seem like they will be making it into a generic FPS?
>>344688032
i don't want either. i'm not buying skyrim/battlefield/watchdogs 2 and i'm still buying games i like and enjoy. don't push this blame on me.
>15,000 plus backers
>60,000 dollars over the goal
>2 weeks left
Are you stupid?
>>344688570
Problem is many of the conventions the old games relied upon are no longer viable or salable in today's market so they must adopt more modern conventons to have relevance to today's normie audience
>>344688896
By this point Bloodstained had somewhere in the 3 millions
>>344683024
>make almost 1 million for a remake of a game more than 20 years old
Is Kickstarter dying guyz??
>>344686639
>this autistic dota frenchman is ruining your game
Oh the ironing.
Let's just cross our fingers eh
>>344688742
Not him but the demo
>>344687427
It was Ultima Underworld, minus the RPG elements. That was the point of System Shock, to expand on the idea of an immersive simulation which started with UUW but remove the remaining traditional RPG mechanics which felt awkward in a real-time first person game. Adding RPG elements would be missing the point.
>>344683024
>Subtle shilling
Except this isn't subtle at all, you made enough money, go away
>>344689230
Only 67 people still alive and gaming remember the point. Congratulations on being one.
>>344689203Is it because you can now see the more than the tip of the guns?
Any fags here moderately excited for Underworld Ascendant? Apparently they're planning on giving textures that shaded look when you apply wash to miniatures and adding more detail and grime to textures in general which was my biggest problem with the last prototype.
>>344686870
And kickstarter was never intended to do that. Have you ever actually looked around at most of the successful ones?
100k is an expensive figure there.
>>344689356
>That was more than 20 years ago, who cares? ;)
And congratulations to you for being a retarded faggot.
>>344689594
I hope it will be good. It's got Stephen Russel, so it's got that going for it.
aren't they spreading themselves too thin?
I think the Night Dive guys are working on a SS1 remake, while Warren Spector/Otherworld Entertainment are working on SS3?
>>344689594
I get disappointed too often to be excited.
I'm less inclined to shitpost about it than I am most things though.
>>344689862
Fuck yeah. It's pretty cool he's Corvo in Dishonored 2 as well, even though I wasn't a big fan of the first game
>>344689059
What's your point? Some names and franchises weigh heavier than others on Kickstarter.
>>344683024
I'm a fan of the original, but I don't see the point of this remake. Nor am I exactly enthused by what they've shown in the demo.
I have a feeling it's the same for a lot of us. I'd rather they went for something new.
>>344683024
>900,000 goal
They asked for too much. Even Iga only wanted 500,000. Ask yourself: who cares bout System Shock? It's an obscure PC only game from 30 years ago. It's not a Castlevania or a Mega Man. This is a pretty successful kickstarter.
>>344689862
They have some key LGS people there and they just recently got some new hires. I'm betting it will be a good but somewhat flawed game that will be ignored by most game sites when it comes out.
>>344689594
I am cautiously optimistic, but it's all going to be up to gameplay in the end.
>>344690035
>while Warren Spector/Otherworld Entertainment are working on SS3?
From what I've understood there are PLANS for for a SS3. I know they released that trailer but I'd genuinly surprised if SS3 is currently more than concept art and a few design docs, and will likely remain that way for some time.
>>344690268
Have you played or enjoyed any first person games with RPG elements?
>>344688742
Because they talk about updating it for modern audiences, while the demo lacks all the non-FPS elements.
They don't talk at all about what they're doing with some of the more clunky elements of the original (eg cyberspace), so it's not hard to imagine them simply removing them.
>>344690287
RIP Looking Glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPFbA8Qmths
>>344690372
Still, with the SS1 enhanced edition being recently released, I just get the impression they could have made a spinoff that is in line with the first game, while maybe Otherworld works on a game more similar to SS2
>>344688283
Why would you talk about video games with people IRL unless you know they have the same taste as you. I only even mention video games to my brother. Most people either aren't into vidya at all or are casual shits with terrible taste.
I only talk about games on /v/. I know faggot gayming journalists love to praise old games and pretend to be a fan, but they are cancer and everyone knows that.
I doubt anyone on /v/ does claims they have played games they haven't outside of shitposting console war false flagger threads. I have all three Thief games on disk and like 90+ fan missions installed as well. I wont claim I played Doom however, I never got into it, but I did play the doom clone Dark Forces however.
>>344690268
>from 30 years ago
Well, 22. But I agree with your post. Some people seriously overestimate how well known System Shock actually is.
>>344690410
Doesn't fucking matter how influential it is. How many people played it? How many people carea bout it in 2016? Answer: not many.
It's like if Castlevania or Mega Man got ONLY one game in 85, and nothing since, and then being shocked that no one cares about it in 2016. These series are big because they kept making games for them. My first Castlevania was Symphony of the Night a friend gave me in 2002.
>>344690550
They've said they're going to rework cyberspace. Nothing about removing it yet
>>344690796
>influence doesn't matter
>sales numbers and popularity are more important
>I don't care so nobody else does
you seem like a pretty cool person
>>344690796
Also, what point are you trying to make? If nobody cares about it then why is the Kickstarter already funded? What kind of fucking logic is your brain shitting out?
There haven't been much if any big name projects to hit Kickstarter since the last big boom with Bloodstained/Shenmue last Summer. I'd imagine the major failure of stuff like Red Ash and Mighty No. 9's extreme backlash have people backing off for a while.
It's both backlash for projects not delivering great games, and System Shock not being that much known. Who these days knows Bioshock was a spiritual successor to System Shock 2?
>>344691415
>Also, what point are you trying to make?
Responding to OP who was like "omg kickstarters are dead!". I'm saying that this game is very successful for an obscure game from 22 years ago. The brand is slowly being revived through re-releases, remakes and possible future sequels.
>>344691570
Just about everybody, since you can't read anything about it without somebody mentioning it.
It's like kissing the boss' ring or something. You're literally not allowed to bring it up unless you pay your respects like a proper goomba first.
