new ZTD thread
Seek clarification, anda way out!
why are all the faces so stiff and terrible?
>>344683158
its a 3DS game
>>344682789
Who did you think was most likely to be Zero before D-end 2?
Daily reminder that you can skip VLR since nothing in that game is relevant anymore and all the info you get there are retconned or are pointless
Don't you think?
>>344683573
Is VLR the shaggy dog story or is it ZTD?
>>344683573
then you wouldn't know kyle is gab
>>344683469
I still thought it was going to beBrotherI wasn't wrong, but it still bothers me.
>>344683589
But what if the snail is of an incredibly rare species that makes it worth gazillions?
>>344683801
>Gab is a shaggy dog
>Zero shoots Gab at the end
>the shaggy dog was pointless
>>344683573
That's probably my biggest gripe with ZTD.
ETA on VLR PC port?
Not buying a 3ds to play this series tbqh
Sup senpai, you won't mind if I borrow some of those watches? Thanks bros.
Life is simply unfair, don't you think? All because of a single solitary snail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHCxdlZ7G18
>>344684254
Gab was a shifter, look forward to his adventures with Kyle and Blick Winkel in ZE4
>>344684584
No word on it yet but you could just emulate 999 in the meantime. It'll probably come out sometime after the 999 remaster, which we don't even have a date for yet, so it could be a while.
I want to impregnate Phi and take responsibility
>>344682789
Fuck, after I assumed that there'd never be a lewd of Carlos besides the wet shirt one, another one appears and...yup, it's for the goddamned "force feeding" fetish.
I'm getting war flashbacks to all the awful Zero III porn of VLR...
You have 10 seconds to explain why Eric isn't your favorite, no bullshitting please.
SoDelta being in the wheelchair and conveniently not acknowledged until he was pointed out by Sean those two times really confused me.Does that mean he was actually there the whole time and just wasn't acknowledged by Q team because he was basically a vegetable and just happened to be conveniently out of frame or what? And he was the "Q" Zero referred to this whole time and not Sean?
>>344686181
you got it! hooray!
>>344686181
Yes, more or less.
>>344686174
Because Carlos and Sigma Exist
>best plan for a guy with incredible resources is to destroy the planet and turn it in such a mess that even 45 years later people still have to scavenge for trash and majority of kids don't even have a mom and a beer root floats is treated as an urban legend
>>344686701
Reminded me of the Watchmen.
>>344686456
It really is a perfect twist released to a flawed audience
>>344686675
i did the pantry fragment last for c team and it made me so mad they kept saying the arms were fake even when they were holding them and all the other fragments spoiled the pantry end for me
>>344686701
The root beer float / cream soda shit always bothered me.
>Soft drinks more expensive than liquor
I know that's one of the more ridiculous things in the game to complain about, but come on.
>>344686812
Ozy only destroyed New York and he had less resources than Delta
>>344686813
I wouldn't say it was perfect since it does require some pretty dirty tricks like Q team conveniently never saying Sean's name with 2 very subtle exceptions before the reveal, but I did appreciate all the foreshadowing.
>>344686174
Go away, Uchikoshi.
>replay 999 and VLR
>reread everything
>it all probably made my experience worse playing this
:(
>>344686983
He could've meant the movie version, in which Oz caused a bit more havoc than just New York.
>>344686901
>I don't know how things works
It's a thousand times easier to let some barley rot into alcohol than it is to bottle carbonated water
The poses in this game are pretty, uh, interesting...
>>344687385
Pretend this game never happened anon. 999 and VLR are amazing in a vaccuum.
Which reminds me of Remember11. People said Remember11's ending sucks and it brings the game down a lot. But I think the game is awesome and the twists are really good. The fact that the game never truly got finished is a shame, but even without it the plot is still interesting. Leaving it open ended was fine with me. So just enjoy VLR like that; an open ended game without a true ending.
I'd like to think that the reason Delta is offscreen the whole time is that you are Delta the whole time before the reveal, using the glasses to see through cameras. There is no reason to have yourself in focus, right?
It was still out of the blue when I first played it, though.
>>344687847
> filename
Now draw it in.
>phi was named after herself and was raised by an alternate version of herself
wew
>>344687385
Same here, brother. Maybe I'm stupid for expecting so many thing to wrapped up perfectly into a bow in one game, but I just felt let down overall when it didn't meet my expectations.Which were made very high due to VLR setting the stage for something brilliant.
>>344688428
I had mixed feelings about it but I'm glad the clues were numerous enough for them to pile up and subtle enough that I didn't dwell on them long enough to connect the dots. I got Perceptive End early and it was a huge mind fuck.
>>344687918
>So just enjoy VLR like that; an open ended game without a true ending.
It's funny you say that, because personally I was (and still technically am) bummed by VLR. Not only did I find its story escalation unnecessarily high for a sequel (for a story I'd argue that didn't necessarily need continuation), it also left me with an ending that did not feel satisfying in the least.
As such I bought ZTD just to see if it would make VLR's existence worth it for me, but as it turns out it didn't.
>>344687918
R11 is fantastic. I'll never understand why people dislike it, but praise games kite DR, S;G, and seacats.
>>344688428
Yes, he also mindhacked Eric and Mira to never call Sean by his name because uh, Sean is an awful name.
I really wanted to end up liking Eric, hoping he would get some redeeming qualities.
But jesus, ever other Q Team route just makes me want him to die.
>>344689410
true ending eric did nothing wrong
>>344688685
>and was raised by an alternate version of herself
[Explanation Requested]
>>344689746
Phi was sent back to 1900s via the transporter. German scientists tried the transporter, sending the 1900s version to 2008. The 1900s version lived long enough to adopt and raise the 2008 version.
>>344689746
phi said she was raised by an old researcher couple who found her in the transporter and the "other phi" file said original phi lived into her 100s as a researcher in america working with the transporter so it's only implied.
>>344689410
t. damn brat
Was anyone else disappointed that they never played the original version of Morphogentic Sorrow?
The remix was fine and all, but I was expecting them to play it near the end. Would have been a perfect oppurtunity.
Then...C-End 1 + D-End 1 leads to the VLR timelineand then the D-End 1 leads to the VLR End or Beginning ending
>>344688880
Same here. I couldn't figure out how to get that fourth stand-off ending and after learning of "Delta" (and assuming that was Zero's identity) I was intending to say that they should kill Zero.
Nope.
>>344685774
she's terrible at givinghead
>>344690261
I genuinely thought Sean was Delta somehow, and the robot thing was only in another timeline so I held off going through the door since it seemed like it would obviously get me the last ending for the stand off. I was expecting him to bypass the "cannot commit suicide" thing and somehow turn the bow on himself and some exposition with one of the codes for the boxes. I did not fucking expect what actually happened. Probably the most memorable experience in the game for me.
>>344689330
say that to Sean Connery you little bitch
>>344686701
It's pretty obvious that he doesn't care about others. He just wanted his plan to go through and doesn't care about causalities.
>walk into an ice cream shop after a long day of murder
>this man becomes obsessed with you
What do
>>344683573
Stop lying, the only skippable thing is the "Another Time" epilogue.
>>344687918
ZTD is literally the Remember11 of the ZE series.
VLR was disappointing by itself, more so than ZTD, it's just such a huge leap in themes from 999.
>>344688960
S;G is pretty great and self contained, it has a satisfying ending and likable characters. Seacats is praised a lot but the general consensus is that R07 fucked up the last arcs because "muh depression".
I'll never understand DR's popularity.
>>344683573
yeah but it's leaps and bounds ahead of ZTD so I'd say you should just skip the last game and pretend you got an actual ending
>Akane wasn't behind it again.
I'm disappointed.
I VLR and ZTD, and more than 999 too.
AMA
>>344692737
Edit of this with a red earth on the second panel when
>>344692737
what did you mean to say?
>>344689746
>>344682789
Probably old news but did anyone read this interview with Uchi?
http://www.geekster.be/games/kotaro-uchikoshi-creator-the-zero-escape-series-interview/
>>344692889
That I like both VLR and ZTD, and in fact think they are better than 999.
I'll be holding an interview for all your burning questions.
I wish the game hadn't brought back characters from past games, I liked the new characters more in this one but it never really went anywhere with them. The focus was spread too thin, and the game was shorter to boot, it almost felt like it ended before it really began.
>>344687847
A bunch of spacetime travelers explaining themselves to a mad dumb man with a shotgun.
Priceless.
>>344692942
why did old phi let delta become a ruseman?
>>344693225
She didn't fug him
Delta is actually a siscon and also Carlos from another timeline
>>344692737
>>344693109
Honestly, I feel the same way, I never thought ZE had very good writing to begin with so while ZTD was dumb, it was dumb in an entertaining way, while 999 only had its atmosphere, sprites, and being somewhat grounded going for it since I never cared about a single character by the end and it wasn't even the fun kind of dumb.
How the fuck does Delta expect them to find the one dude just because they're motivated now that he told them about it. How did any of the shit in the shelter help that goal?
Why did Uchi resort to a dumb paradox of Delta ensuring his own creation?
>>344692332
Study him, because he seems to have an interesting heart,to gouge out.
>>344693225
They weren't raised together.
Old Phi was off by another family.
Delta was raised by a family that had a child whom he loved like a brother.
>>344693225
>Phi, my sister
>Help me kidnap some people so I can MINDHACK THEM
>Dangit you dirty old codger
>I'm trying to raise my millennial clone
>Your bologna is all whacked to heck
>>344693645
>How the fuck does Delta expect them to find the one dude just because they're motivated now that he told them about it. How did any of the shit in the shelter help that goal?
Probably that they can now shift and keep their memories, which is something only Sigma and Phi could do before.
>Why did Uchi resort to a dumb paradox of Delta ensuring his own creation?
This is literally the same paradox present in 999 and VLR, so if you thought that was dumb, then the whole series is dumb.
>>344692291
Then why bother trying to save the world? Self preservation? He obviously doesn't have that instinct.
>phi is about to be burnt to a crisp in the incinerator
>spend five minutes groping sigma in the chair
>>344692349
it's not a lie, all the stuff in that game is pointless
>Brother
>totally different character with different motivations
>all the info given by Alice and Dio was wrong
>all the information about the Mars experiment
>retconned, changed
>SOIS
>retconned
>Junpei location during the mars experiment
>retconned
>SOIS attacking the Fts HQ
>retconned
>all the lion bullshit
>dropped
>Kyle
>irrelevant
>all the stuff about Rad-6
>irrelevant
>how esper works
>changed
and the list goes on
>>344695175
Glad I wasn't the only one who tried to do what characters would realistically do in that situation.
>>344695175
>she holds his hand
CUTE
>>344695672
The only thing even remotely correct on that list is Kyle
>>344696031
I suggest you actually replay the game
Why didn't Akane come back for them in the twins timeline? Didn't Zero say he doesn't erase the memories after the x door is opened?
>>344696243
He's right though.
>>344696348
She probably killed herself or is just a bitch.
>>344696348
Akane is kind of a bitch
>>344696031
>>344696392
>le you are wrong xD
Nice arguments
>>344692950
> This is my personal opinion, but I think other countries overreact to sexuality. Japanese men are often labeled as perverts and hentai (myself included), but the rate of sexual crimes in Japan is amongst the lowest in the world. I understand that this is partially because many crimes go unreported, but even so the number is very low. According to a report by Nation Master, the rate of sexual crimes is 1 in 100,000 people, ranked 105th out of 119 countries.
>There are various factors for the low rate, but some theories owe it to Japan’s acceptance of sexual media. If you can satisfy your needs via fantasy, you don’t need to act them out the real world. Of course I’m not saying you can get away with anything so long as it’s fiction. But if something has an evident, ideological reason, (think of Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut), this freedom of expression should be protected.
He knows what's up.
>>344696794
>but some theories owe it to Japan’s acceptance of sexual media.
Accepted but totally ruined by censorship
>>344692737
glad to see the memes are still flowing
>>344686174
Because MIND HACKS
>>344696794
And still he changed ZTD into telltale cinematic shit, because "players don't like reading"
Even though the previous 2 games were long VN format
>>344682789
Why didn't they just sit behind the suit of armor guys instead of the bar?
Not trying to pull a "gotcha" on the game, just trying to understand how Akane works:
In the prologue, she tells Sigma she only gets bits and pieces of info from her future self, right? But Uchikoshi says she's looked down a zillion different timelines and can SHIFT, and she basically livestreamed the whole Nonary Game to Junpei in 999 when she was just a kid. So why is her connection with her future self so limited?
>>344696794
Obviously I'm not an expert on the subject, but it seems to me that a fuck ton of that shit isn't reported. Women are expected to just roll with it when they get touched on trains.
>>344697794
He could easily have used the transporter to mind hack the snail.
>>344697836
Pretty sure that explanation was just a cover, the real reason was to make the twist work.
>>344697794
If MIND HACKS were substituted with the player's presence/influence being acknowledged by the game, I'd have liked it so much better.
>>344698234
That only makes it worse as the twist was nothing to write home about
>>344698129
Because the plot required so
>>344698125
>three guns
>three people
>one person hides behind each gun
>the guns all shoot each other
>Escape!
wtf uchi is a hack
>>344698494It was the only twist I liked.
>>344687021
reminds me of VLR, though saying that i can't believe they did it again. reusing the same theme's twice in a row disappoints me.
>>344688960
I love S;G, dislike DR and what the hell is seacats?
>>344692950
>These conundrums are based on far-reaching themes that include physics, metaphysics, mathematics, logic, ethics, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, psychology, sociology, philosophy, philosophy of the mind, probability theory, game theory, decision theory, utilitarianism, communitarianism, occultism and so on.
70% of the decisions involved none of these, because they were just inputting names or passwords.
MIRA
WHERE IS SHE?!
Damn it I shipped Sigma/Phi!
>>344699410
She went to Butthole, Pennsylvania. She told me to tell you to find a thousand pounds of cocaine and meet her there.
Got some questions here cause im shit at following multiple timelines
1. Once the shifters figured out they could shift why didn't they just shift to before the experiment began so that they could warn people or take literally any preventative measures instead of perpetually shifting to points in time after the decision game started?
2. Why is everyone ok with mira being a serial killer in the end of the game? They do know, right? Nobody says anything or even tells eric. (true ending)
3. Why does delta think he has changed anything? The whole game is about infinite realities, so there was already an infinite amount of realities where the terrorist did not cause ww3. Sure he created another set of infinite realities, but double infinity is still infinity.
4. How is delta alive at 124 years old? Why are his eyes purple?
5. Why did delta kill gab? What was the point of that?
6. Why did Mira pretend to fall unconscious each time the drug was injected? She was in on the ruse right? There wouldn't be a point in tricking any of them because they wouldn't remember her not falling unconscious anyway.
7. How did sean shift at the end? He is just a computer. How can computers shift?
8. How did carlos use the bracelet as an anesthetic for his arm wound? If it was injected wouldnt he fall asleep and forget like normal? Why was it just only affecting his arm at that point?
I have more that i probably forgot
>>344699584
>Sigma kept asking to see his daughter in a swimsuit in VLR
>>344688960
R11 is very good. It's just that it ends up being compared to E17 constantly. While E17 wrapped up things nicely, R11 leaves you to find out the fucked up truth on your own.
>>344698363
When Phi went on about parasites, I thought she was inadvertently shit talking the player for making such a shitty decision. Turns out it went absolutely nowhere and was just MIND HACKS
>>344698125
There was no space to hide behind.
Also the caliber from a damn mini-gun surely would pierce Armor Plate.
>>344692349
Disagree that R07 fucked up the last arcs. People just are obsessed with getting a conclusion and denying all magic outright, but R07 didn't want that, he wanted Magic to be at equilibrium with Trick. So he only gave a symbolic solution with EP07, instead of a factual one.
And he constantly said that he included everything he wanted on EP08 and was really satisfied with how it turned out. Its just that what he wanted wasn't what most people expected.
>>344699689
>6. Why did Mira pretend to fall unconscious each time the drug was injected? She was in on the ruse right? There wouldn't be a point in tricking any of them because they wouldn't remember her not falling unconscious anyway.
She didn't. She DID fall asleep. But the memory loss drug wasn't injected.
>7. How did sean shift at the end? He is just a computer. How can computers shift?
They explained in the ending where Sean enters the password into the Quantum Computer while Eric and Mira were present. It's because of Quantum states or something.
>>344699584
Same here bro. I will forever be sad.
>>344699762
Yeah, I thought we were getting called out there. I get that Delta has a motive to force them to make all possible choices, but Uchikoshi set himself up for fourth-wall breaking in VLR and just never used it.
I won't accept "a small budget" as an excuse eithe. All he would have to do is spend a little less time writing mind hack dialogue and thrown in a couple lines aimed at the player.
>>344683240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iiRqdRTWyw
when will 999 be put on steam its the only one I have not yet played
>>344683573
>skip the best game
just play vlr and make up your own ending
>>344699689
>5. Why did delta kill gab? What was the point of that?
Motivate the group to SHIFT, since thet all love Gab.
In the end on the other timeline, the one the game ends with, Delta even comes out with Gab in tow
>>344700535
2/10 you tried
>>344700398
Not that guy but Phoenix Right is just rending the character models, the backgrounds are pre-rendered pictures.
In the end there's no real excuse, ZTD was just low budget.
>>344686456
It's missing blood spreading out from the camera during Q-Team's execution.
>>344700535
sumika is the brain
>>344699382
Umineko
What changed?
>>344700697
the point was shitty character facial expressions on a 3ds is not an excuse
>>344701056
Still better than VLR. I'm glad they at least tried to bring the gore back.
What's the name of the theory that our brains are just being controlled by us in another dimension?
>>344699396
BUDGET
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>>344701056
It got more violent?
999 doesn't show a single beheaded and a full dismembered body in plain view.
>is not an excuse
ZTD = engine works on the characters and whole scenery
Phoenix Wright = engine only works on the characters, bacgrounds are static.
>>344683158
Game had no budget, from what we know.
Credits confirm that at least there weren't many people involved.
>>344699965
>it's what the author wanted it to be
You can excuse pretty much every finale with that logic.
>>344701112
Actually in that very video I saw some shitty facial animation too. They only put effort into the girl.
I don't like ZTD but I still think it's retarded that the Gamespot reviewer only played half of it.
>>344701457
Sure, I still understood his and liked it. After forcing so much for the Magic side, it would be weird if he just completely dropped it and gutted it at the end.
He did release the truth in the manga and in some interviews, so he didn't even ruin his work.
>>344696348
Because Akane a shit
>>344701443
shit, forgot my quote >>344701112
>>344701221
>at least tried to bring the gore back.
but they surpassed it.
I don't recall a single visible beheaded corpse in plain view on 999.
Unless you meant the horror described in the narration, which ZTD lacks since there's no narrative.
>>344701221
I would still say VLR, even though it lacked gore, had a better atmosphere and aesthetic than ZTD. It stayed consistent with its Si-Fi theme throughout with its environments, music, and general art direction. ZTD is all over the fucking place; the environments have no consistency, the graphics are blocky and cell-shaded, and the majority of the soundtrack are reused themes.
>>344701443
>999 doesn't show a single beheaded and a full dismembered body in plain view.
Yet 999's atmosphere is still leagues above anything in ZTD.
>>344696348
Speaking of which, shouldn't Crash Keys have some sort of contigency plan when things go to shit like one of their leaders dying?
I actually pity Delta having Mind Hacking, for this reason: intrusive thoughts. Every single whim he had would probably create another timeline, which may explain some bad ends like D-Team shower escape, the blue button, not taking the antidote, and Diana trying to disarm the bomb herself.
>>344698129
Smugkane best Akane.
>>344701892
too bad ZTD style made the gore look hilarious
the only disturbing death si the shower because you only hear the screams and nothing more
even the decapitated bodies are just there and not disturbing at all
>>344702168
Not everyone suffers from ADD ya know. It's not like mind hacking takes him days.
>>344698719
You and me both, but it wasn't anything amazing
>>344683573
Honestly, the current game makes itself trivially pointless.
>>344699689
1. Everyone does very stupid things that are far from the most obvious or best way to achieve their goals.
2. Eric knows, if you read the notes after finishing the game he has her surrender to the police, and they marry in prison.
3. I was wondering if this game had a weird derivative of the multiverse where the other universes are forks originating from man-made choices? 'cause otherwise, nobody's plans to do anything than to set their CURRENT self up with xy make any sense.
If everything that is physically possible, you can't stop radical-6 or can't save mankind. Infinite universes die to it. Infinite universes don't have it. Infinite universes survive the outbreak with one casualty, or none. Literally nothing you could do would matter, you could only travel to where you wanted to be.
7. He haz quantums, he can shift (/ exists everywhere simultaneously - I think the game confused me on the respective text actually)
8. Well, the injections for memory loss and sleep are separate. How he knew which is which is beyond me though.
MIND HACK
>>344701892
Oh yeah, there was brutal stuff like Carlos murdering Akane or Mira drudging around Eric's chest. But most of the gore was held back by the wonky modelseven if I personally liked them.
>>344701964
That's why I said tried. With stuff like the executions and showers scenes, you could really tell they were trying to get the gore back in there.
>>344702796
BRAIN BLAST
Smut thread >>>/aco/686648
マインドハック!!!
>>344702997
THOUGHT TAKER?
>>344703567
2発の爆弾では十分ではありませんでした。
>>344702000
Mary Suekane needs no contingency plans.
Can someone posted the "sleep with me" webm of Dianna?
Enough memeposting, post underrated ZE tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weW2wvwG3wQ&index=56&list=PLj-ru-1cx_tlMEbtwQ1V4-ATAkfXNHoyD
>>344704507
I don't have the balls.
>>344704514
https://youtu.be/9xJSPwvhjL4
Somehow makes being trapped on a boat the hypest shit.
>>344703075
>still no /ss/ with mira and sean
I must be in the wrong timeline.
>>344704712
I love the tempo change half a minute in, really ups the tension.
>>344704834
Draw it yourself, anon ;^)
>>344704514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveSKpeanh8
Favorite theme.
>>344703075
>Sexualizing Phi
>Sexualizing Diana
>>344705095
Pretty chill track.Halfway through the game I was convinced the Quantum Computer Dome was gonna be the Final Puzzle Room™ of ZTD, much like Archives/Q Room. Such a neat-looking room.
Which is better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsY11KIFDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJvZwZQV7fsTIME TO DECIDE!
>>344703075
I thought legoman could draw.
>>344705475
I personally prefer Digital Root for that booming percussion. Can't fucking wait to hear it remastered.
It's shipping tomorrow :)
fuck I wish I could erase my memory and play 999 and vlr again...
I wish they had stuck with Nonary Game throughout the series.
>>344705872
watch edition
I already beat it on PC
>>344705740
Ugh, anon. Get out before you get spoiled.
>>344706016
>>344705938
Nevermind.
>>344705475
And the follow-up: which is better?
https://youtu.be/EjQfY47pFNs
https://youtu.be/gFJ1r6_4mW4
>>344706124
Wrong timeline
>>344706184
this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8E20i-dLBI&index=27&list=PL0C21BDB2AD060B72
>>344706184
The answer is always morphogenetic sorrow.
Bet track in the series.
>You will never make millions of dollars from business/investing/etc and then waste that money setting up real life replicas of 999 and VLR
My life goal
>>344706184
Tough choice, but I'd go with BBL. Love the build-up.
Shame ZTD used it more than it should have.
Did I miss something or did the game end on a fucking cliffhanger.
I got to the point whereCarlos is pointing the gun at Deltaand then the credits rolled.
Is that it?
>>344705816
The side-effects are problematic.
How about playing the other Uchikoshis instead?
>>344705475
Digital Root, but I think Clarification was one of VLR's weaker tracks while Digital Root was one of 999's strongest.
>>344706184
As a complete song, I'd say Morphogenetic Sorrow.
But the climax of Blue Bird Lamentation is feels on another level. The rest is just buildup for that though pretty much.
>>344706479
Yes. There are some epilogue pages, but that is it.
>>344706479
You are missing the secret ending.
>>344706184
man i can't even decide
i couldn't listen to either of those tracks without having to hold back tears
>>344706479
Download the DLC.
>>344706521
I actually love Clarification so I guess it's a bigger choice between the two for me.
>>344706436
>Would love to go to an Escape Room attraction
>Don't want to go alone
>Friends would probably suck at it
>I would also probably suck at it because real life puzzles wouldn't be designed like ZE puzzles
>mfw
>>344706613
If Uchikoshi/Spike Chunsoft actually pulled that shit...
>>344706667
Nah dude, the real life ones are easy. I went to one with normie coworkers who don't even play video games. It was a "HARD" room with 10% completion rate... we solved it. The hardest thing in there was similar to the pills in the biolab in ZTD.
Okay Fuck, Marry, Kill.
>Lotus
>Alice
>Mira
Question for all the people that hated the Delta reveal? How would you do it better? Because I admit that it is deliberately manipulating the player, but I struggle to come up with a better way to do it. We knew that Brother was Zero before playing the game, and we knew he was old as fuck. So the moment we saw Delta, the jig would be up. The only other way I can think of doing it would be to not have Zero as a participant at all, but then the reveal of him being somebody we didn't see would feel like even more of an asspull. I would be a literally who? moment. Anybody got any ideas on how they would've made it work better?
>>344706479
Yes, that's it.
Are you bothered about THAT part - what happensdelta, the somewhat random villain guythat popped in at the end?
Myself, I'm more bothered about all the unanswered things from the older two games...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai8eWvCYkB0
Simply: Pottery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWaxTNbPJk
>>344706184
I'd give it to BBL, just because I spent the entire game most invested in Luna, and that ending fucking hurt me. I wasn't even able to bring myself to get the betray Luna game over because why the fuck would you ever betray Luna in that moment?
Morphogenetic Sorrow is pretty fucking terrific, though.
Did you guys actually figure out the meaning of this clue in the manufacturing room?
>>344706184
Man, I could never get into these tracks, they sound cheesy as hell and usually ruin the moment, but the very beginning of Blue Bird Lamentation is very sweet and sorrowful while it lasts.
>>344706997
It's just an AI anon.
What the fuck happened to the religious fanatic?! Why don't I have the choice to shoot delta or not? What the fuck?!
>>344706506
>implying they're better
lel
>>344706826
Really, there was no reason for himto play his game.
He could literally just have met them in a room in timelines where his stated goals were achieved or whatever. He almost did the same anyway.
>>344706826
>the reveal of him being somebody we didn't see would feel like even more of an asspull.
This sounds
>would be a literally who?
Awfully familiar.
Zero didn't even need to be there. We could find his accomplice or the reasons behind this nonary game(clues about the terrorist, etc...)
you just gotta love how sigma on the cover looks actually like sigma however in-game he looks totally different
i mean they nailed phi perfectly how did the fuck up sigma so badly?
>>344707087
>It's just an AI anon.
Did you just ignore the conversation in the Gaulem Bay?
Why didSigma and Diana fuck in an alien space pod when there was a perfectly good couch available?
>>344707491
It's just an AI pretending to have feelings using pseudoscience and quantum computers as an excuse, anon.
>>344707419
What I want to know is, why did they so drastically change that setpiece in-game?
I genuinely thought Diana was going to be at least morally ambiguous/have bad intentions based on that teaser and the fact that she's the one who released Radical-6, but it turns out she just makes bad choices.
>>344686181
Okay but what about the scene where q team takes the radical 6 or doesnt, there were 3 vials
I'm thinking of buying this. Should I? I enjoyed Danganronpa.
>>344707578
Heat of the moment, it was right there, and wouldn't YOU want to fuck in an alien space pod, given the opportunity?
>>344707229I think This actually has more potential, too?
Ultimately, why couldn't he have the "decency" to free his mom and dad and younger self and sister in some timelines where his parents did the prequisite teleportation, but were still stuck and going to starve in the bunker?
Him then talking to his parents and various things happening would probably even have been a better plot mover and emotional moment thing than Sean the otherwise basically pointless robot talking to Zero in the quantum computer room.
>>344707031
It shows how the wires are connected, silly.
>>344707774
Wait for the 999 HD Remake, then play that. Same with VLR. Then finally ZTD. Now you must leave and never return before you are spoiled.
>>344705938
My "watch edition" was delivered, no watch though. Are you sure yours will have it?
>>344707773
All the puzzles were designed around three people being present, which is why Eric was so suspicious of Sean.
Sean, Mira, and Eric were the ones who got their finger pricked, which may have infected them with FBR.
>>344707774
I think you should like it well.
But play the two prequels first.
>>344707653
i know this cover leads to believe that diana is a murderer or something
also somehow diana is basically forced to do what she did in this ending because like in vlr seen (or heard more rather) she killed all six... all six billion
so without this history vlr wouldn't happen but i can't understand why they chose diana to be the one which makes this completely irrational decision
>>344707774
Danganronpa is better.
Also don't expect a satisfying villain like DR.
>>344707578
I imagine they usedevery place not too creepy or uncomfortableeventually.
Months with nothing to do in this ultimately not too big space, eh.
>>344706016
NTR doujins of Akane receiving BIG AMERICAN PENIS from Carlos when?
>>344708198
Diana's just super bleedy-hearted. I imagine that's part of why she got a backstory involving an abusive ex-husband.
Plus, according to the prologue stories, she was hot for Sigma almost straight away, and she and Phi developed a bond as well when Phi asked for a hug.
>>344708358
Please never post anything ever again.
>>344707578
it's a Titanic reference
>>344686456
>>344700932
Also during one scene, I forget which, a X-Pass for Q is revealed, but Sean is still barely alive.
>>344708198
>i know this cover leads to believe that diana is a murderer or something
She IS a murderer.
>also somehow diana is basically forced to do what she did in this ending because like in vlr seen (or heard more rather) she killed all six... all six billion
VLR happened because she is a murderer, not the other way around.
>so without this history vlr wouldn't happen but i can't understand why they chose diana to be the one which makes this completely irrational decision
Because she's an emotional mess and a murderer.
Don't ignore Diana' flaws because she's your waifu.
>>344706124
>0:30
everytime
>>344707240
Yeah. I wouldn't have minded having him be monitoring them and having the reveal be Q pointing at an eyeball camera that he's been using to watch implanted in all of them. But that would've been harder to seed, and I don't hate what we got. Except for the fact that it wasn't entirely necessary for him to be in the game (beside his death causing C-Team to jump and get the VLR timeline complete) I thought it worked pretty well, and making the player be delta is a clever twist,and it keeps the tradition of the character playing as a single participant in the game, only this time it is the true villian
>>344708580
>Diana's just super bleedy-hearted. I imagine that's part of why she got a backstory involving an abusive ex-husband.
Oh damn that makes her even more cute.I want to protect this insecure smile
What was the deal with '?' at the end of VLR?
>>344709050
>implying sigma wouldn't fucking wreck you for trying
>>344708867
>she is a murderer because she didn't leave a woman to die
>it's her fault, not Delta or Mira
>MUH SNAIL etc.
>>344709129
Gab
>>344706826
Have more old people participating
>/v/ now hates ZTD
What happened?
>>344709050
I also just realized, but Zero fucks with Diana especially hard, which is even worse when you think about how it all happens.
>Delta MIND HACKS her into pressing the button in the Decontamination Room
>Leaves a pre-recorded message for her calling her a shit for pretending that she didn't have complete control over her actions when he was the one controlling her.
>The end result of this timeline is Delta literally killing himself to spite his mother.
>>344709360
it's a meme
>>344709135
what?
i'm trying to keep her happy as much as i can
why would sigma wreck me?
>>344709360
the game happened
>>344709360
redditors left
>>344709429
>why would sigma wreck me?
Don't play dumb.
We all know what your trying to pull.
>>344709141
>>she is a murderer because she didn't leave a woman to die
No, she's a murderer because she knowingly brought an epidemic into the world . She's a nurse, anon, she knew exactly what she was doing and its consequences.
>>344709360
Even if you only played this game, you should realize the characters do so many stupid things for no reason.
Plus it breaks a lot of the other two game's story, also for no reason.
I just finished the game and I can't believe they didn't even try to address the obvious paradox of Delta creating the game so that him could be born.
What the fuck.
>>344709635
Have you never played a zero escape game before?
>>344709360
There's a lot wrong with it.
(It's still good tho)
>>344709415
i just wonder what happens in the end where delta shoots sigma and the screen just fades after he says momma
>>344709351
Really? Wow, now we have two possible Zero's instead of the uncertainty of anybody being part of the masterplan. Truly you are genius
>>344709635
999 literally did the exact same thing.
>Well Phi it looks like we have a Zero Time Dilemma on our hands
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