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FIX INCOMING
"“This isn’t something we are particularly proud of,” said Miyazaki. “With how things are handled now, it can be improved and this is an agenda item we’ll be working on in the future.”
Http://kotaku.com/dark-souls-3-dev-regrets-how-they-handled-the-games-con-1783132878
>>344652314
T O O L A T E
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>linking kotaku
You dun goofed son
>>344652314
Hallelujah!
>>344652814
http://www.itechpost.com/articles/21618/20160706/dark-souls-3-dark-souls-3-update-dark-souls-3-devs-admits-mistake-poise-sat-dark-souls-3-poise-stat-new-dark-souls-3-patch-brings-changes-dark-sword-dark-souls-3-dark-sword.htm
https://www.vg247.com/2016/07/06/dark-souls-3-miyazaki-isnt-proud-of-how-the-studio-dealt-with-poise-debacle/
Want more?
>>344652957
a pastebin thnks
>>344652314
yfw he's talking about the company's communication with fans and not poise itself
> I asked him about his studio’s lack of communication regarding poise
The only thing he wants to improve is communication with fans, not poise.
Literally working as intended. Get gud.
>never mentioned poise at all
>dodging the question with some "We'll do better in the future" bullshit
>>344652314
>dat first comment
Its actually true
If the fix will come is still highly debatable
Literally too late.
Nobody plays this anymore.
Also they tried so hard to clean hackers off that they literally banned waves and waves of their own players, killing the game even quicker once Malcom realized what he could do.
>>344653490
>Nobody plays this anymore.
The DLC will probably breathe some life into it.
Fuck poise, I want news on the DLC.
ded game
>>344652314
Good
All they need to do now is buff the early game faith and magic spells and the game will be okay. Also, the earlier in the game the dlc is accessible the better. The game is far too linear in the beginning to the point that is the most boring souls game to replay.
>>344652314
>unironically linking to kotaku
>>344653490
>PCuck
kek
>>344652314
>linking to Kotaku
Kill yourself faggot.
>>344653490
Did they unban wrongly banned players?
I got banned for no reason once so I stopped playing
Then a little while ago I was testing something and used DaS3 to test and I could go online again for some reason
Still didn't start playing again though
Do people say a games dead when they stop playing it?
I mean it was a good game, but why even bother playing it more than once?
>>344652314
Why did they take MONTHS to adress this? It's just a bunch of values, jesus
>>344654509
The DLC will fix it. Everything is gonna be alright.
>>344654590
We are talking about the same developer who literally took 1 year to fix the durability bug they were aware of since launch day. Look From knows how to make fun video games but on the technical and handling side they are very incompetent.
TOO FUCKING LATE RETARDS
FUCK YOU FROM FUCK YOU
I JUST WANTED TO BE A TANK HAVEL
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>344655086
> tanking
> in ds3
DS3 is all about dodge, more so than previous games. Tanking was only viable in Demon's and DS1, 2 is okayish but 3 is just "hard mode"
>>344655086
Is not too late yet. None of the DLCs are out. Reminder that Dark Souls 2 was a bad game until the DLCs made it good and better than the original.
>>344653490
>Nobody plays this anymore
nice delusion
>>344653490
Most people are waiting for DLC, especially since there are other games out now.
>>344655086
>>344655185
I don't even know why people play this game with shields.
>>344655856
shields used to be ridiculously strong before das3
>>344655856
Try 2handing a havel's shield and nothing else. That shit is hilarious. As long as you're facing the right way, you can out-stamina two or three human opponents.
>>344654509
>drangleic looking anything like that
Is this with the DLC's added or something? Apart from FoFG, Wharf, and Bastille all being connected, the rest of the game is essentially 3 straight lines followed by 1 straight line. And also Darklurker.
>>344654509
Dark Souls 1 felt like it happened in one place, same as Bloodborne.
Dark Souls 3 felt like a journey.
Dark Souls 2 was a mismash of disconnected setpieces.
>>344655856
you know if you have enough stamina R1 spammers can do shit against your greatshield
>>344655856
Shields were good in DaS2 PvP.
>>344655938
But we are talking about DS3 here? Are you in the wrong thread?
>>344656012
Who's going to waste points in strength just to wield a giant greatshield like that?
>>344656131
Or you could just dodge them...or parry.
>>344656347
still didn't hold a candle to DaS shields
>>344655856
People have different styles of play. I'm a defensive asshole who likes to turtle so I prefer using a weapon and shield.
>>344656397
what are you, some kind of boring metafag?
>>344655332
I must be imagining these 5 minute invasion timers
someone post the actual statement where From says its going to return, please, i don't belive in Ondores lies.
>>344656761
are you lvl 200?
>>344655086
Literally all you have to do is use Perseverance, or Iron Flesh, or a greatshield. How long are people going to just whine instead of using all the options that are in the game?
>>344652314
>>344652957
>6th of July
Its not gonna happen.
>>344656397
>you can't do this thing
>actually you can if you do it like this
>but you can do this instead
????
>>344656461
Have fun getting kick in the shield and getting critical attacked.
>>344655856
Because its Souls. Shields are a viable playstyle.
>>344658209
shield kick is actually worthless because if it doesnt break guard (which it hardly ever does in pvp) you're completely vulnerable
>>344655856
I used Artorias' Greatshield in DS1 and it was great.
>>344658209
The kick is actually much better for beating someone trying to parry than just blocking, since if they're walking backwards with their guard up they're moving fast enough to just outrange the kick. Also most of the actually good shields can withstand at least one kick.
>>344655938
>>344656347
>>344656405
>>344658389
>>344659031
This thread is about DS3 not the old, broken, dead games.
>>344652314
WHAT THE FUCK
WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG?
I don't even play this anymore and I probably won't until next year since I usually only beat souls games once a year before I move on to other games.
When's that DLC coming out?
The shield kick should be used when you know they already expended some stamina, don't just use it whenever, let them roll around or whiff like an idiot, then kick their shield, stun them, and clown them.
I like to stun people in PVP and then not take advantage, just to prove I can beat the guy without it. I also like to win without estus if they are using estus, and to beat people who parry spam without parrying myself.
As for using a shield, I use twitch movements to constantly be ready to block, but also restore stamina faster, and to evade kicks.
I only block to drain their stamina and counter, if they are using an element that still damages through the shield then I don't block, I smother them and roll, or hang back let them whiff, then counter with an unexpected R2 or twitch Sword Art.
All of the games are good, Dark Souls2 is great as well, they are all fun, stop whining and enjoy yourself.
>>344652314
how about he fixes the whole fucking online pvp? 'cause right now it sucks major ass.
protip: b-team directors handled the online balancing. miyazaki said this in his latest inteview with gamespot
>>344656042
You tell me.
>>344663125
Ops forgot image.
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS
>>344656047
>implying DaS2 wasn't the one that felt like an epic journey
I played the game almost entirely in one sitting on launch day and it was the shit.
>>344653714
This
This souls game has probably the worst pvp out of all of them, cant really fix it unless DLC gives shit ton of stuff. For how many elements in DaS2 were fucked they got pvp right in that one, same with BB
>>344652314
This kill the rapierfag.
>>344656042
Once you get to Menjula if you know what your doing you could go to any of the lords, probably the most open souls game but after the 4 lord souls its a pretty narrow path.
>>344663557
>pretty happy with it
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>344656047
>Dark Souls 2 was a mismash of disconnected setpieces.
>You know how they call this place Drangleic, right?
>Well, in the old lore, in stories and the like, they said it had another name…
>What was it? Well… I don't know, it's just something I heard.
>Since long, long ago, many kingdoms have risen and fallen on this very spot.
>Each like a great flame, that turns to soot.
>Maybe that's why people don't remember much about the past…
>Many kingdoms rose and fell on this tract of earth; mine was by no means the first.
>Anything that has a beginning also has an end. No flame, however brilliant, does not one day splutter and fade.
>But then, from the ashes, the flame reignites, and a new kingdom is born, sporting a new face.
>>344652314
>linking to kotaku
>>344662150
Man you must be really good at getting laid there mr. dr. dark souls.
did anyone else have ridiculous win rates in pvp? no exaggeration i was winning 9/10 duels on ps4 and pc over 1,000+ hours of play. everyone seemed so shit and predictable. am i the daigo prime of dank souls or are people shit?
>>344664358
99,9% of the players are shit at PVP in Dark Souls.
>>344664358
ive played 500 hours in DaS III and never died once during PvP
>>344664358
How many different builds did you try?
>>344664358
>did anyone else have ridiculous win rates in pvp?
No.Most of us have lag.
>>344663307
second that.DS 2 was the only one that felt like a big journey in a very large land.
>>344652314
Neat.
I hope they give out a fix soon. Maybe that will help breathe more life into the game before they start releasing DLC since that'll enable more variety in builds and make existing ones more viable.
On another note, what are you anons doing in DS3 right now? I'm playing through my caster build on NG in hopes they give some DLC info soon.
>>344664358
I've never lost when I've been Darkmooned (~8 times) but I get shit on by the people in Irithyl (~20% win rate). I think it's mainly because I'm really good at punishing healing and get super panicky when I get low on health and can't heal. I also use a UGS so that's not exactly helping
>>344653490
there are still plenty of summon signs and invasions, not to mention a lot of invasions put you up against 3+ players on a regular basis
never had any issue finding people.
i bet you also mistakenly believe no one is still playing DeS or DaS1 right?
>>344665440
Poise doesn't need to be "fixed", it's working as they wanted it to, just differently as it affects armour during heavier weapon attacks. Maybe they could have worded the description differently to show it was changed (even though the description still fits it's new effect), but the change isn't much different to how Vitality has become Vigor, or how Resistance's effects are on different stats now. I personally think that the remnants of the old school Poise system that were found is because enemies still work that way, and they probably didn't bother removing the code when porting the old engine over.
Also funnily enough I'm doing the exact same. Shit's been way more fun than I expected and far more effective than people had led me to believe with all their complaining.
>>344665842
>4000 players still playing DS1
What the fuck
>>344656012
Havels shield is junk. Too heavy, retarded requirements. You want a Moaning Shield instead, get some friends, become riot police armed with reinforced clubs
>>344652314
why are souls threads on /v/ always so hostile and negative? you faggots have been playing this series for years dedicatedly and you still behave like whiny babies about it.
>>344666152
my brother collects all armor pieces in each souls game, DS1 he's beaten something like 20 times.
>>344656397
You mean you've never had fun in a Dark Souls game, anon? You just minmax, grab the best infused weapon you can, stack damage on it and call yourself a pro gamer for beating this extremely hard anti-casual game?
>whoa
OH
FUCKING
GOOD GOLLY GEE
MAYBE
JUST MAYBE
PEOPLE WERE RIGHT ABOUT POISE
AND THE FACT THAT FROMSOFT ARE INCOMPETENT RETARDS OUTRIGHT LYING TO THEIR FANBASE WHO ATE THAT SHIT UP
WHO
WOULDA
THOUGHT?
I can't wait to see all the Fromsoft dicksuckers try to defend this. "B-but a game mechanic doing absolutely nothing is a feature! Honest you guys!"
>>344666324
is that autism
>>344666515
No, actually he's a perfectly functional member of society. It's called actually enjoying a fucking video game.
>>344666432
except your wrong, posie does do something, it increases your i-frames after you are stunned. it being worthless is a different argument because it still is mostly a worthless throwaway stat
>>344666152
Is that any weirder than tens of thousands of people still playing Skyrim over 5 years later?
FIX THE FUCKING COVENANTS FIRST YOU DUMB SHITS
>>344664358
My Luck build literally never lost once.
I would spend hours invading Dragon World 3D.
Well it's a bit wierd that a fully armored manbeast flinches from a punch thrown by the weakest zombie enemy.
>>344652314
Whatever happened to "working as intended"?
>>344666754
Yes. Skyrim has mods.
>>344666627
>Enjoy the game
>Playing it 20 times and getting all the armor for no reason
I would rather enjoy plenty of games instead of playing same shit over and over again like an autist.
>>344666678
That was debunked.
I'm like three weeks out of date on this stuff so maybe this is too, but poise essentially let's you win trades in hyper vs hyper situations.
Either way, glad Dark Souls 1 style poise isn't coming back. Passive hitstun resistance rewards sloppy play for low to medium skill players and makes high end play entirely punish based. There's other issues with Dark Souls 3 PVP, but the decision to move away from that type of poise system was the right one.
>>344667097
so you have never in your entire life replayed a game or tried to get 100%
cuz that would make you autistic?
>Thinking poise will fix anything
Oh boy I can't wait until someone can put on full Havel's and slash me with a straight sword 20 times before my ultraweapon can swing twice and break their poise
>>344652314
I'd expect the "fix" to come with the first DLC along with ng+ changes.
>>344667082
It is working as they intended. That's not what they were expressing as OP is retarded. They regret the way they communicated it with the community.
...they don't actually either. They don't give a shit. That was a non-answer to shut up Western journalists. From doesn't give a single fuck about communicating with the Western community.
>>344667323
I never tried to get every fucking single item in the game no
>>344655856
>not using shields
>>344666974
No it's not. It'd be weird if he took the same amount of damage, but all that weight could make it hard to recover from a stagger if pushed right. Besides, do you really think the realism argument is the one to go with?
>>344655856
In PvP it's more of a tool to bait out attacks and cover up risky attacks.
Also in 3 specifically, Weapon Skill shields are a good way to get your 1H attack animations, while having a very quick way to use your weapon skill.
Black Knight Shield is fantastic for this.
>>344655856
Why not?
>>344655856
You guys are honestly more retarded than reddit about this game, somehow.
Shields are one of the absolute strongest things in the game. Indisputably. It's not a fun play style, but using a great shield(Lothric Knight is pretty damn strong too) with a weapon that you can catch with will put you at an advantage in almost every match up.
...you can block BS a lot of slower weapons with a high stability shield as well.
>>344654286
Not him, no. They never unbanned anyone.
A ban just puts you on the "cheater sub-server."
They did address the "ban stick" issue, though.
Wow, and it only took them 4 months.
>>344652314
Wait why is kotaku still around? I thought Hulk Hogan put them out of their misery?>>344652314
>>344659224
Well, the Dragonslayer Shield made the Nameless King a joke, so there's that.
>>344652314
They literally won't do anything, and i remember someone saying they are referring to working on their community feedback, not poise itself.
>>344652314
>there is nothing pointing that FROM will "fix" the poise stat
>>344653490
>Nobody plays this anymore
uwot?
>>344654509
Lordran was so perfect. I wish I was there for the first time again.
>>344654509
>>344667214
This 100%, and I say this as the guy that illustrated how poise worked in DaS1.
The old poise could never come back without a ton of amendments, it single-handedly ruined PvP.
http://pastebin.com/MPXRwtKu
>>344654286
I got unbanned last month.
>>344668806
that chart is wrong, you dont need 3 lords to fight the dancer and get to lothric castle you only need all three lords to get into the archives.
Dark Souls 3 is so meh I don't even want to spend one more hundred of hours into it. They had some nice ideas,but it's no more than a "better Dark Souls 2" combined with the fact they simply wanted the "casual" audience to still have fun. Bosses have no health, there are many shortcuts, and if there's none, it doesn't matter since bonfires are super close. I'd even say that the game is easy.
The worst offender in all of this is the invasion system. The fact that they both allowed to summon 3 other whities and that the matchmaking prioritized the ganksquads. You can't make fun builds anymore, since you're going to get stomped. Either you kill people in one hit, or they will. The netcode is super garbage, like easily the worst in the serie. Some people don't have any animation and the so-called "phantom range" is horrid. All those things kill the build variety, while also not even making invasions fun.
There's still duelling, but that's garbage as any other game. It doesn't have broken stuff like Dark Souls 1 did to add a little layer of depth. There are also invasions as furfags and vorefags, but they didn't work correctly the first 2 months, and now i'm sure it's dead.
I'm also at the point where I'm not considering the DLCs, as I did with 2. I really do hope they're good so I might change my mind. But if it's simply 2-3 more zones added with the same mindset as the vanilla game, that will not simply worth both my time and my money. They still can surprise and twist the formula a little bit, but I seriously doubt they'll even try.
tl;dr: Dark Souls 3 is a bland game.
>>344667214
Yeah, honestly I'm having a hard time believing that people actually want DaS1 havelmonsters back, does no one remember getting invaded by huge dudes with huge poise just walking into you and trading r1s with a huge weapon because you can't stop them? People were complaining about the hyperarmour of weapon arts, but want to bring back a system where you can create a build that basically has slightly shittier hyperarmour all the fucking time? Why not just make heavier armour sets actually significantly change damage reduction instead; I think vastly increasing the difference in damage reduction of different armour sets and especially having heavier armour sets actually block anything more than rags would be another way to make heavier armour useful and thereby the equip load stat, and it still forces players to engage in spacing.
>>344652314
T O O L I T T L E
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i'll be in bloodborne for PvE
and in DaS2 for PvP
because im sane and dont want to waste time trying to make DaS3 seem fun
>well over 1k hours in DaS1, 2 and SotFS
>not completely sold on DaS3, pirate it day one
>couldn't stomach it long enough to even finish the game
This game is not just trash, it's trash they took 4 months to start consider fixing, if they even do that
>>344670616
Of course people don't want them back. They want to BE them, since it's the only way they know how to play. Using a spell or weapon art or even just swinging a big weapon to get it temporarily is apparently too much to ask of them as well.
>>344663557
That theory was disproven months ago. There's still remnant dumbasses that think it was X because they saw a big reddit thread about it when the game first came out.
>>344655856
Good luck on the nameless king without dragonslayer shield
>>344664358
Souls isn't an Esport game, you know. Its PvP is so broken that most people that attempt PvP are just trying to enjoy something besides what's optimal, or are not really seriously trying to climb an imaginary MMR ladder. Hell, most people have already quit.
DS2 SotFS would be the best Souls game if only it would not use the retarded Soul Memory system
>fashion souls strong
>any build works
>can get any build from the start
>can go multiple paths
DS1 is just dated and DS3 is linear garbage that only shines in its bossfights.
Didn't read
When is the patch gonna hit?
>tfw just play DaS3 without bothering with mp
>complete game couple times, enjoy it
>invade here, get invaded there, just fuck around, don't take it too serious
Why are you all bitching about a fuck around mode where you duel each other?
>I WANT HYPER ARMOR AND POISE
Thanks for killing PVP you fucking faggots.
>>344672228
DS1 poise was fucking retarded.
I want DS3 to have DS2 poise which made sense and was not totally OP.
>>344671768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFATcyfYv-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v3fi804W0I
>>344671985
This
Agape ring allows for some better matchmaking if you use it right, but it doesn't quite hit the spot
I think poise should only reinforce hyperarmor to counter people with big weapons that can fastroll.I also think they should make heavy armor tankier to make them differ from light/mid armor.
>>344671985
second that also,
>better choreographed animations
>better combat pace
>no stupid flash estusing
>no phantoms can heal when invaded
>>344653490
I'm on PS4 and i get invaded non stop if i'm in ember form.
I even get help from blue bros 50% of the time, this never happened in a From's game, Blue covenants actually work this time.
Face it, DaS > DaS 3 > BB > DaS 2 > DeS
>>344672641
>better choreographed animations
lol just lol
>>344672298
DaS1 poise was just a little too strong, you might be fucking retarded if you think it was fucking retarded.
DaSII poise was a little too weak. A balance between the two would be great.
>>344672682
>post from a sonygger
>>344672228
Oh no
Armor will actually protect you and heavy weapons will be viable
>>344672735
lol lmao xddd am i rite
>>344652314
>caring about poise when they made invaders be total cuck and surprise, surprise, invaders just dropped the game and gancucks were forced to stop playing it too
>>344672785
t. PCuck
>>344670390
How the hell do people get that much stamina
>>344672927
I have a ps4 and you are still a sonygger
>Invaders crying about "gank squads"
Fucking lol jus retreat, use mobs in your advantage and wait for more invaders.
Fucking crybaby fags
>start playing DS1 again for the global restart day
>get only invaded by LEGENDS, Havels, naked dudes with whips and Dickwraith edgelords
>can't even summon anyone because its broken
>quit and do another run in DS2
>never meet a build again after seeing it once
>everyone is a special snowflake
>get invaded in every area
>bridge pvp still strong
>only the arena is shit and filled with katanafags mostly
>coop works fine even in the later areas
>DS3
>invade someone
>he summons 2 phantoms as answer
>get ganked
>realize that pvp in Dark Souls 3 is shit and do some coop
>get invaded by a hacker who flies around the map with a bloated head
>at the end of the day i get invaded by another dude who just keeps shugging estus because the animation is so fucking fast that you can even heal during combat
DS3 is the worst DS.
>>344652314
lol everyone has already moved on you fucking hack, this game isn't even enjoyable to replay thanks to the stupid linearity, eat shit lmao overrated hack
>>344673021
Why should i care? Go be a retarded cuck somewhere else, DaS 3 online is better than ever.
>>344672682
Overall this, but Bloodborne should be before everything. By the way what about Bloodborne pvp - still there?
>>344673218
Dont think you know the meaning of ''cuck''.You are nothing but a little underage fromdrone that is throwing temper tantrums here and there to ft in here.
>DS 3 online is better than ever
kek
>>344673131
The thing that pisses me off about DaSIII is that invaders have a priority to attack people who have summoned phantoms. How hard exactly did the babies cry?
DaS1 has the best host v. invader balance, I have no clue why they keep trying to revamp it.
>>344673173
No, but the pvp is godlike. I could play it for a very long time more.
>>344653490
>basing when you play the game on when others play it
>>344671985
And never forget
MALDRON
>>344674116
I have seen this happening in DS3 as well with real invaders.
From really can't fix anything.
>>344674294
Guess what?He's an npc
>>344674294
Every multiplayer video game has bad lag every once in a while
>>344673479
t. Cuck who can't handle DaS 3 is actually good.
Enjoy getting buttblasted on a mongolian horse trading image board tho.
>>344674347
I know.
I faught that fucker as well.
He kept running into the curse infested tower to heal himself. Easily the most annoying part of the Iron King DLC.
And i loved it.
invaders shouldn't complain about anything
if you evade MY game you play by MY rules
so if I want to summon 2 phantoms to kick your ass in MY game you better pucker up and prepare to deal with the consequences of your actions
>>344674347
>I have seen this happening in DS3 as well with real invaders.
>real invaders
>keyword
>real
>>344674593
The only annoying thing is that invaders are 10x more likely to invade people's worlds who have already summoned, and then faggot hosts can then use Seeds to remove the invader's one advantage.
>>344671875
Been there done that, took three tries going at him blind.
Took 3 tries, note that I'm not trying to boast, killing the brothers took me something like 13-15 attempts, but I don't get why anyone says that nameless king is hard, he is retardedly easy to dodge
>>344674593
>I am an enormous faggot and nobody can stop me
K
>DLC poise
Its not worth it Fromsoft just make the DLC solid to match with how the game is now.
Fix poise and the game might just be more broken than not at all, like now.
>>344674593
>invade someone in DS2
>he uses cheatengine for infinite health
>bonefist him into the canyon resulting into instant death
>>344674550
>>344674663
That backstep though.
Like, how in the fuck?
And this coming from the same streamer that speedrunning pontiff with no damage.
>>344674454
Your posts were too underage they started to hurt my brain.I guess i will stop replying to you now.
>>344674593
>it's another "chosen one thinks he's the only chosen one" episode
>>344674821
Backsteps have iframes in DaSII
>>344674739
But he's right.
>>344671875
you realize there's invincibility frames during rolling, right? You can dodge everything in the game.
>shields
>>344674831
Ok
>>344674885
Dude, I would understand if it's player.
>Dark Souls 3 coming out pulled 85% of the remaining player base from DaS1, 2 and SotFS
>Dark Souls 3 now has 50% less peak players than SotFS last Autumn
>those players didn't return to DaS1, 2 and SotFS
>they just vanished, left
>they killed the autismbase
>>344663557
>the entire DS3 community is 2 threads on Reddit
Wow, what the fuck is this guy on?
>completed DS1 with parrying but never learned about iframes
>completed DS2 with iframes but never managed to parry anything once there
I have not played DS3 yet
What I wonder is.
Can we stop with the
>B-team
Retardation surrounding DS2 now? Is that going away?
No?
>>344668816
>it single-handedly ruined PvP
>I literally didn't play the games and am parroting what i heard here lol
Here's why Poise was out of control in DaS1:
>Wolf Ring, Havels Ring, Favor Ring all had extremely high effects on your equip load/poise, this is not the case in DaS3
>backstabs were instant, meaning poising through 1 attack = free backstabs, this is not the case in DaS3
>Stamina and Equip Load were the same stat, this is not the case in DaS3
>armor gave massive poise values(3 piece giants = 1 2h ultra hit), this is not the case in DaS3
Have a brain next time
>>344652814
just use adblock you colossal faggot
>>344675142
It's more similar to DaS1
>>344674885
Except they don't. Backsteps make you immune to poise damage, but that's it, you still take the hit
>>344675149
Credits show that DS1 , DS2 and DS3 all have different keymembers working on the games.
If DS2 is B Team it means that DS3 is C Team
>>344674886
You could also tell on the bad kid bullying you in kindergarten and that doesn't make you any less of a faggot, anon
>>344675249
Uh, no. That's DaS1 you're thinking of, and this is a clip from DaSII.
>>344675253
This is correct, but DaSIII had a lot more people who worked on DaS1 (including the lead director of course) than DaSII
>>344674593
>hosts have more healing
>phantoms can use estus too
>seeds of giants
>30% more hp
>up to 3 phantoms
>invasions prefer the above
>host can just touch the boss door to end invasion
>estus is absurdly fast, you can move while sipping
>lloyd's talismans are very short duration and much more difficult to land
If you had any more advantages, no one would invade
Oh wait, most zones are already dead
>>344653490
I played it last week for the third time.
>>344675142
>>344675246
But parrying is awful, like 2. And made worse by enemies with almost no startup frames.
>>344675213
I think From needs to hire volunteers that would experiment with armor/weapons/stats to balance their games.
>>344675253
It just boggles my mind that people think that a studio such as FROM actually does shit like this
>>344675569
Parrying was OP as fuck in DaS1. Once you figured it out, no humanoid enemy could ever pose a threat to you. They simply were unable to hit you.
DS3 has proven that Miyazaki is a hack unwilling to learn anything.
DS2 was flawed in its core because Shibuya did an awful job as a director and Tanimura could only save that much.
I would like to play a Souls game exclusively with Tanimura as the lead director.
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character
>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character
>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks.
>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina
>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina
>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill
>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons
>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)
>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build
>Fun PvP covenants that were unique
>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun
>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again
>>344675642
Read the credits
>>344653490
well over 10k people online at the same time every day on Steam alone, but I guess if you don't play it then that means that no one else does.
>>344672682
i literally get help from blues %100 of the time when i get invaded
i soemtimes get 2 of them, its ridiculus now
>>344675774
Of course different people work in each game, that is actually logic.
Assuming that each combination of people is a different team with different "quality priorities" is completely fucking moronic though.
>>344675639
>japanese studio
>actually caring about opinions
l o l
they fixed a lot of shit in DaS1 from launch to 1.07 or whatever it's at now but DaS3 is like 2 steps forward, 5 steps back
>>344675712
first four are kinda in DaS1 already, but I agree with the not-instant Estus
the higher stamina costs in 3 do a goob job at making the game a little more dynamic, but also more defensive
you can literally win any duel just by playing passively until someone presses something, then punishing it
>>344675680
That's the basic problem with parrying. It's an "I Win" button for combat. And why bad players resort to phishing with it in PvP. Tightening the frames or making it impossible to predict what attack animation comes out isn't the correct way to fix a design like that. The problem has always been its design, not its timing.
>>344675685
It's actually amazing to me that people will still insist up and down that DS2 is somehow the worst ever even though DS3 has proven to be shit at every turn.
>press button
>phase through attack
Seriously why is this allowed?
Why is something that is basically QTE considered biggest stem in gitting gud?
I frames were a mistake
>>344675712
Dark souls 3 should ve been 2 with 3's atmosphere and 1's world design.But From ofcourse wanted to pander to pcucks who didnt have bloodborne and ds 1 drones.
>>344675954
>different teams work on different games
>different games have very obvious differences in quality priorities
w o w
>>344676042
DS2 definitely is not the worst shit ever but it does have some flaws.
1) Soul Memory the way it does work simply does not work very well. I like that you can't just run part every area anymore like in DS1 to get some overpowered SL1 character only to bully other people though.
2) The way the levels are designed is the worst because it often resorts to simply throwing enemies at your face. They are designed that way and it could have been a lot better. The good thing is that parts of the levels are interactive like the buttons in Heide that effect the boss area. This is something DS3 lacked.
3) The art direction is inconsistent. I can see that they wanted to have lots of different unique areas in the game but the way everything is connected is just lazy and sometimes the ways levels cut off turns insultingly bad. Like the way to Castle Drangleic being blocked by a bunch of rocks that anyone who can jump 30 centimeter could avoid if not for invisible walls.
>>344676057
dodging would be impossible otherwise, everything in this game moves absurdly fast
>>344652314
>>344653490
Where did everything go so wrong? Dark Souls 1 was fucking hype. That game had and still has people playing it many years after it's release. It had the most fun builds you can do and poise actually was a cool mechanic that made a person think what armor to use. Then they fucked it all up and it has never been as good since.
Bloodborne fags need not apply. Dark Souls 1 is forever the best of the series bar none.
>>344676627
If they put DaS3 backstabs into DaS1 it would be a god tier pvp game
>>344676538
>you can't just run part every area anymore like in DS1 to get some overpowered SL1 character only to bully other people though
Even if you can't do SL1 chaos great scythes anymore, this statement isn't entirely true. Nothing stops you from getting the cat's ring, dropping down the well in Majula, sprinting through the gutter to get the great club and wrecking shit at low SL as soon as you hit belfry luna, for example
>>344675685
If the Dark Souls 2 DLCs are any indicative it would be the best Souls game
>>344676932
Sure, but after your SM gets high enough you just stop getting matched with low SL noobs
>>344672228
>he prefers R1 spamming shitters
>>344677201
Nothing stops you from buying the agape ring from Straid and camping belfry luna noobs forever either
>>344677530
Why would anyone bother with all that when i can just CE my items in?
>>344677901
Because not everyone loves cock, anon
>>344677530
The point is that you need to do much more than in DS1 only to spank noobs. Which makes it not worth it for most people.
>>344678678
>Being so shit at the game you only can win if you fight noobs.
>>344678678
This is not true at all. Noob spanking builds in DaS1 at least took you running through higher level areas to retrieve certain weapons, or going as far as four kings or Anor Londo on a low SL character so you could make some boss soul weapon at the blacksmith. DaS2 agape ring twinking is a walk in the park in comparison, unless you try to get to the npc at 30k SM
>>344678958
Not the point. Some people just like playing the bully.
Not me though. I never ever because a dickwraith in DS1.
>>344676775
This is why I don't understand why they seemed to keep replacing/adding/removing random shit in the sequels. It just doesn't make sense really. They struck something amazing with 1 and all what it needed at the most was some mechanics tweaked like what you gave as an example. Then bam you got the perfect game.
I'm not to fond of these boring ass bosses in the later games either. 2 had too many goddamned knight bosses.
>>344679105
The limit being 30.000 already makes it impossible for you to invade complete noobs.
>>344676042
Everyone defending DS2 should just die.
I spent two years, TWO YEARS, defending that game while everyone else was shitting on it, I couldn't say anything positive about that game without being called a shill, a retard, or worse.
AND NOW SUDDENLY IT IS PERFECTLY OK TO PRAISE DS2!
I've already went over what DS2 did right over and over and over, it did the multiplayer aspect better than any of the other souls games if we ignore Soul Memory, its PvP was actually pretty balanced and people play DS2 PvP to this day.
But PvP isn't the main focus of the souls series, the adventure, the locations, the levels, the bosses. Those are the focus, no, not difficulty either, no Souls game was ever difficult. And DS3 hits all the high notes on those aspect, there is never a dull moment, every area is well crafted and almost every boss is memorable, I'll probably get shat on for saying this, but maybe if a DS4 comes out in the future this argument of mine will suddenly become valid as well.
>>344679307
You would be surprised, anon. I've invaded completely incompetent noobs in Eleum Loyce in the 5M range
>>344679574
pvp is the most important in the long run
>>344672228
>more choices and builds that i have to learn to combat is bad!
You're a fucking retard.
>>344679574
>getting this mad at anonymous people shitposting in a Mongolian tapestry board
>>344679728
There is a difference between unaware fucktards that you can find anywhere at any level and complete newfags who just got their starter gear.
Isn't it fun to get a full giant set as SL1 in DS1 with Chaos Zweihander and Mask of the Father?
>>344677428
>poise would stop R1 spammers.
Poise coming back wouldn't "fix" backstabs not being instant, the pvp would never revert to DS1 status of circlestraffing with shield up looking for backstabs, you will always be able to roll away from backstabs in DS3 unless you're stuck in an animation.
If anything, ds1 poise will make R1 spam stronger, because the shitters will be able to trade hits with no fear of being punished and just roll back whenever in danger. ds1 poise would turn DS3 pvp into a pure numbers game, you got more hit points and damage? you win.
If they decide to add poise back in the game, it better be the DS2 poise system.
>>344679897
>pvp is the most important in the long run
For you.
>>344679574
>But PvP isn't the main focus of the souls series, the adventure, the locations, the levels, the bosses. Those are the focus, no, not difficulty either, no Souls game was ever difficult. And DS3 hits all the high notes on those aspect,
Can't say I agree. There's an undue focus on bosses over everything else, to the point that you can just get through a level once and be done with it thanks to shortcuts. It changes the whole value proposition of every element.
>>344680101
>Isn't it fun to get a full giant set as SL1 in DS1 with Chaos Zweihander and Mask of the Father?
Which involves
>going as far as Anor Londo to buy giant armor off the giant blacksmith
>going through the catacombs and beating Pinwheel
>if you don't get lucky with the mask drop, it involves getting the Lordvessel, going through tomb of giants and beating Nito, then you can buy it from Patches
>beating Ceaseless Discharge and finding a way to grab the chaos ember without dying, beating centipede demon if you just can't
>getting to Lost Izalith to farm the red titanites
All of this at level 1. You telling me twinking in DaS1 is easier than 2?
>>344679897
Why? just play through the game content, do some co-op and some PvP until you get bored, and then drop the game, how hard is it?
I got more hours played in DS2 than I have in DeS, BB, DS1 and DS3 put together, and it is still the souls game I enjoyed the least, quantity doesn't equal to quality.
>>344680372
People use cheatengine for that on PC.
In DS2 you cannot do that because they matchmaking simply does not allow you to bully noobies.
>>344679574
Yeah,nah, fuck you. I've been ambivalent about DS2 since release, I still think it's a miss. But it tried some interesting stuff and even it some right notes, nothing wrong in saying it.
Overall I think I even prefer it to DS3 so far. Warts and all.
>>344680175
That's the point of shortcuts, why do you feel the need for padded content? Just find those shortcuts so you don't have to run through the level all over again, it is your reward for finding it.
Or would you rather go through the entire archives again everytime you died? I think that is the best designed area of the whole series.
>>344680520
If we bring cheatengine to the table, then you can also agape, gear up in +5/+10 and give yourself 99 cracked red eye orbs right off the bat as you create the character in DaS2
>>344652314
>after the game dies
>they think about fixing it
>>344680897
>Two DLCs incoming
>Game is dead
Did you forget the surge of activity BB got when Old Hunters came out?
>>344680817
If people cheat in DS2 they usually cheat all the way and give themselves unlimited health and stamina as well while they are at it.
People seem to avoid that in DS1 for PvP atleast. Maybe because the watchdog gives you the option to kick people with hacked stats.
>>344681028
Battleborn also has DLCs coming, if that's the logic you're gonna use
>>344655086
kys havelshitter
>>344680690
Not padded content. DS1 for me was at its best at that meeting point of old arcade games, when you had to master the *whole level* to progress, and RPG, where beating stuff would generate world expansion instead of linear progression
>That's the point of shortcuts
Once you've expanded the game world, not before, to make traversal less tedious - and even then you hardly need that in DS2/3 given you already have the teleport from the very start. The shortcuts in DS3 makes the levels relatively insignificant.
>>344681136
>Maybe because the watchdog gives you the option to kick people with hacked stats
You said it
And no, it's not like that. Tell that people "usually go all the way" to that faggot who was invading my freshly made character on a skip-run through Heide's tower of flame just yesterday that was wearing Catarina armor with a witch hat and a poisoned channeler's trident. And it's not an isolated case, I've already seen many more, like people invading in forest of the fallen giants with rings of the living on and that sort of bullshitFunny enough, the Catarina guy was some reddit furfaggot that got posted a couple days ago in a steam cringe thread
>>344666132
Sorceries and shit were really bad at first, but they've been getting consistent buffs in just about every patch FROM has released. I'd say they're pretty decent now. Could still use a few buffs here and there (Especially miracles.), but for the most part they're pretty good. They just require heavy stat investment.
>>344680102
>Poise coming back wouldn't "fix" anything
Fixed that for you. Nobody invests in Vit and because weapons do fixed poise reduction, i.e 4 Greataxe hits will poise break Soul of Cinder, anyone who gets hit lets say 4 times "first" will get stun locked (not the weapon based stun lock) and lose any confrontation.
If poise was visible via a bar I'd say it can work, but its invisible.
Dark Souls 3 already uses a system that penalizes stamina when hit while blocking. Poise will make it so that even when not blocking you can get stunlocked. The person with the best internet wins.
Also if it gets turned on the amount of invader tears will quantify significantly.
>>344681162
This is probably the dumbest comparison you could have made, I think you should just leave.
No, I won't humor you with an explanation, feel free to act all smug and call me out for it, but seriously, after you're done with it, leave the thread and take your shitty opinions with you.
>>344653612
It's not even polishing the turd at that point, it's just throwing more shit pebbles into the toilet.
The worst thing about DS3 is that its just copying too much from Battleborn.
Miyazaki probably didn't feel like making another game but Bamco forced him.
>>344679574
dark souls 2 was. fucking. trash.
they took everything that was shit about dark souls 1 and made it a core mechanic in dark souls 2.
>resistance was useless
>LOL NOW IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT
>POISON AND TOXICITY FUCKING EVERYWHERE
>bad hit detection in some places
>ROFL MY SOFTIE NOW AGILITY PUTS ALL OF YOUR DODGES INTO QUESTION
>that one annoying boss where you also have to contend with goomba enemies.
>GET SHAT ON NERD NOW EVERY FUCKING BOSS HAS LITTLE ASSHOLES TO DEAL WITH AND THEY POISON YOU
>disappointingly easy end boss with cool theme and design
>SAY HELLO TO SKELETON QUEEN, SHE SHOOTS LASERS PEW PEW AND ALSO DIES IN TWO HITS
>3 or so useless covenants
>2 USEFUL COVENANTS
>neat shortcuts
>BONFIRES EVERYWHERE
>2 ring slots, 2 useful rings
>4 RING SLOTS ALL RINGS ARE SHIT
>pvp is slanted towards invaders, but only if you opt into pvp
>PVP IS NOW MANDATORY BUT DON'T WORRY WE MADE IT BALANCED BUT ALSO MADE IT SO IF YOU DON'T USE HEXES FUCK YOU BASICALLY.
>1 or 2 uninspired areas-
>80% OF THE GAME LOOKS LIKE SHIT.
I could go on, but anyway.
>>344681587
>I'm gonna call you dumb, not make any counterpoints and just tell you to go away
>>344681315
This, what you said, is not what I was talking about at all.
I understand what you're talking about, but really, it has nothing to do with what I posted about in-level shortcuts and the great archives.
>>344681749
There's people in this thread who's gonna reply to this seriously. Think about it
>>344681749
DS1 having a completely pointless main stat didn't get nearly as much flak as DS3 having a pointless sub stat, thanks for reminding me.
>>344681982
I almost did. Had to physically stop myself.
>>344652314
It's a feature not a bug hurr durr
Same thing happened with 2 and that took a whole rerelease to fix
>>344680440
>i like pve more
>quantity doesnt equal to quality
what?
Backstabs should have never existed for PVP.
>>344681938
Given I haven't even addressed a post talking about the Great archives, my first post in that exchange was >>344680175, about
>But PvP isn't the main focus of the souls series, the adventure, the locations, the levels, the bosses. Those are the focus, no, not difficulty either, no Souls game was ever difficult. And DS3 hits all the high notes on those aspect
The later half of which I just can't agree, I don't think it hit all high notes - I'll give you VP easily though. I don't know anyone that bothers to play those games online.
Anyway, I guess there might be a misunderstanding somewhere.
