>2011
>Still no successor
What the hell? Don't tell me we're not going to get a follow-up to the best selling gaming platform this gen.
Boy, I sure can't wait to get a purple 3DS XL when they finally come out!
>>344641607
Man you would've hated growing up in the 90s. We went longer with out a successor kiddo.
NoA needs to stop being faggots and release a regular sized N3DS
>>344641795
>Survive 3 gens with 10/10 games from the first day to the last
>The N64 getting a transfer pack to leech off its success
Is the 3DS the new Gameboy?
>>344641774
herrrrrr
>>344641907
just buy the fucking animal crossing regular N3DS you fag.
>>344641607
Nintendo already filed patents for a new handheld, one without dual screens.
>>344641943
>3DS XL
ok
>>344642042
Huh. Looks pretty based.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nintendo-patent-reveals-new-handheld-design-amid-rampant-nx-speculation-1569601
>>344642165
Well it's just speculation for now, and there's a good chance it could be the handheld tool for the NX, a.k.a and improved gamepad which would just be cancer.
If that really is how the new handheld will look like, then I'm pretty excited although I gotta say the dual screens have definitely left their impact on me and will miss the clamshell designs
>>344642287
>If that really is how the new handheld will look like, then I'm pretty excited
one
analog
stick
>improved gamepad which would just be cancer.
fuck off. Would be awesome to actually carry wii U games around. A smaller compact handheld that connected to the new system and used like the gamepad would be fantastic.
>>344642287
Clamshell was the only real benefit though, it's a pain to carry around.
>>344642413
>Wanting two sticks despite the CPP and Vita proving this is completely pointless
>>344642479
>>Wanting two sticks despite the CPP and Vita proving this is completely pointless
Don't be a fucking moron.
Its essential for some games. If they do in fact have a handheld that can connect to the main system they need duel sticks. The fact they made a fucking circle pad add-on speaks volumes.
>>344642741
Name one. Monster Hunter works best with two extra shoulder buttons and no game is as button-intensive as that.
>>344642413
what fucking wii u games faggot
no one bought a wii u
it has no fucking games
>>344642909
Not him, but Resident Evil revelations.
>>344642984
Honestly if all 3rd person shooters stayed on worthless consoles trying to be the next TLOU I'd be pleased as punch.
>>344642948
epik :)
>>344642909
many games wouldve benifited from duel sticks.
kid ic
Luigi mansion
Any gun game
Resi
would you be happy removing the second stick on your Playstation or Xbox?
>>344643116
>Playstation
>Sticks
Underage confirmed
>implying kid icarus would even function with a sloppy stick instead of the perfect aiming device that was the touchscreen
>>344641998
>animal crossing
Wow that's gay.
>>344643235
replace to plates douche.
>>344643225
so you avoided the question, would you remove the analog sticks from newer consoles?
exactly. stop being a little cunt.
The NX is 90% a hybrid.
Or will launch with a handheld version.
You can get both console+handheld that share the same library or you can buy one seperately.
>>344643920
Would buy
>>344643920
>competing against themselves
I'd believe Nintendo would do this after the PR and marketing disaster the Wii U was but why in the actual fuck would they do that.
We saw already that everyone will flock to the more popular console, i.e. 3DS over the Wii U
>>344641607
Because the mobile and console hardware divisions at Nintendo have been merged for NX development. NX is the next home console, and the next handheld.
No, this doesn't mean it's a "hybrid" system, it means there are multiple systems in the NX "family" that can run the same software.
>>344642287
>Implying the NX won't be a home console and a portible console in one.
>>344644169
But Sony did this with the Vita and they got completely wiped out, why would Nintendo make the same mistake?
>>344644169
Fuck, that patent pisses me off. No second circle pad. The actual fuck.
>>344644104
imagine nintendo focusing on one platform. A platform which you can choose to make portable or play on the telly. All focus would be for that one system. All games would be for that one system. Games would be non stop and have great support.
Its a genius idea.
>>344643225
>He never had a Duel Shock.
Haha were you a poor kid or something?
>>344643116
>Shit meme
>Random lack of and use of capitalization
>Shit sentence structure
>Duel sticks
>Playstation X having sticks
Are you 12?
>>344644243
Nobody wants a sony handheld.
Everyone wants a nintendo handheld. Nobody really wants a nintendo console. Every nintendo fan owns both console and handheld already. Having them share the same library is better,. means better games.
Instead of having Mario Kart 7 and 8 you just have Mario Kart.
>>344644367
I disagree on every point.
The PSP was great, not every Nintendo fan owns a WiiU and if they did then Nintendo would be cutting their sales in half by merging them.
>>344644293
Except we see how awful the visuals on the 3DS are. Why would anyone want the portable version which would be limited graphically and by processing power with no exclusivity? I don't think the novelty of the game just being a portable version is enough of an incentive.
>>344644348
>Just shit posts
>Are you 12
Ironic really.
>>344644439
It's the other way around, who would want a game that spend far too much time on graphics instead of gameplay?
>>344644439
>Except we see how awful the visuals on the 3DS are.
Right.. Obviously the new system will have better graphics. There was even talk/patent that would enhance the graphics on the big screen while dumbing them down for the handheld.
>>344644498
Are you retarded? We're talking about theoretically the same game that would be developed, differentiated only by one being for the NX home console and one for the handheld. There would be no difference in the gameplay
>>344642984
That was perfectly playable with one stick. It played just like RE4.
>>344644535
>Obviously
Are you new? Nintendo went from 166px to 240px in a span of about however long the DS lasted. Do you really think the new handheld will be in any way easy on the eyes? Nintendo is known for chimping out on materials and getting away with the least as often as possible
>>344644584
But you should realize that's the retarded notion, they wouldn't do that because it's stupid. Try to keep up.
DS Lite is objectively the best out of all Dual Screens
Nintendo have patented the use of carts in the console too. Which further shows that it will probably share a library with a handheld, as you will likely be able to put your handheld games into the console then pop them out and play them in your handheld at will.
>>344644687
So anons want to say it's a hybrid console that will have the same software but it won't have the same software because that's stupid. Okay :^)
>>344644662
It will be 480p bare minimum. (which would be shit) Imagine a hugely streamlined wiiu gamepad.
SO IS THE NX A REPLACEMENT OR NOT
EVERYONE SAYS DIFFERENTLY
>>344644243
Sony did not do that with the Vita. The systems did not have a shared library. You could use the Vita for remote play but that's not the same thing at all.
Nintendo already has the handheld market. What this essentially will do is continue their handheld strategy while making the handheld's library playable on the home console as well, so that neither system ever has software shortages. Iwata actually blatantly said this to stockholders back in 2014, before they had even announced the working title "NX." He said that they wanted to port 3DS games to Wii U since both systems had dual screen functionality, to help with the Wii U's software shortage, but they couldn't do it because the systems were too different, so porting would take too much time and money for it to be worthwhile. Eliminating this problem for the next hardware was a key goal he expressed behind merging the home and portable hardware divisions at the time.
He even used the analogy to Android/iOS devices explaining how the different hardware form factors would be like "brothers in a family of systems."
>>344644439
How do you know they won't be separate devices differing in power?
It's possible they'll make the game natively run at a lower resolution / framerate for the handheld.
>>344644789
The future tells me maybe?
>>344644772
It will be 360p with significant frame rate drops in their bread-n-butter franchises like how the 3DS can barely do 240p with 3D now
>>344644856
If they drop the second screen and 3D function it shouldn't be a problem anymore.
I do fear that it will be the death for fantastic low-budget franchises, such as Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Odyssey and M&L.
>>344645038
Well maybe if Mario & Luigi dies they can go back to making Paper Mario an RPG.
>>344645120
M&L is Paper Mario, without the paper gimmick and with gameplay.
Question, if the NX is really a two in one console, would that mean that the handheld portion would still have limitations?
Im just talking about things such as drops in the graphics and framerate between the actual console and handheld.
>>344645038
I wouldn't call any of those games low-budget anymore. EO especially has been pumping out games like never before
>>344645038
I'm cautiously optimistic on that front anon. When they don't have to create separate flagship titles between two consoles, it will likely free up the time of the studios to either improve their games or work on whatever they wish.
>>344645213
Yes. see >>344644535
Google the patent images that show how the cloud based system share can boost the graphics of the system.
>>344645213
Lower res, worse textures, no post proccessing effects, maybe a lower framerate
NX wont actually be all that powerful so the handheld can keep up.
>>344645386
That would be the best choice by far. These consoles buffing up needlessly for the sole sake of prestige (Scorpio the biggest offender) will be the death of vidya. This is the kind of thing we used to rag on nvidia for doing.
I don't understand why people care so much about resolutions anyway. On home consoles and PCs I understand since you're dealing with a television/monitor, but for handhelds what does it matter? It has its own screen. Sure you can get crisper images, but so long as the game itself still looks good is it really that much of a detriment?
I understand the preference for higher resolutions, but people acting like the 3DS's resolution cripples it have always struck me as being a little histrionic.
>>344645495
>but people acting like the 3DS's resolution cripples it have always struck me as being a little histrionic.
i love the little bastard of a system, tho yes, it really does cripple the system. The games models look like shite on the system. Its a shame as we cant even see the effort the devs put into the games models.
>>344645495
Framerates are a bigger issue and have been getting fairly crippling in more recent games.
Hyrule Warriors aside, Super Mystery Dungeon has a battle near the end where it drops to like 10 FPS.
>buy NX
>its a handheld and console base
>base has its own ram, gpu, usb, hdmi outputs, disc drive
>you plug the handheld into the base and this adds the handhelds ram/gpu power to the base and works as a console.
>the benefits of this is all your handheld games work at a higher res, better online, big tv, better framerate
>>344645495
Your vision literally deteriorates from how bad the 3DS's visuals are
>>344645646
good goy, now you have to buy both consoles so the latter won't be complete shit, but you lose its only benefit (portability)
>>344644367
>everyone wants a nintendo handheld
Speak for yourself moron.
>>344645495
Just imagine if the original DS had a better res?
3DS games would actually look pretty good with a better res. low end ps3 good.
>>344645781
>people that only want a console and no handheld keep it in console mode
>people that only want a handheld and no console keep it in handheld mode
>people that want both have both
Literally everyone is happy.
>>344645886
3DS games will look great upscaled.
>>344642134
that's a regular 3ds you asshat
>>344646107
He said he can't wait to get a purple 3DS XL so that image doesn't mean much to him. He was quoting himself with that greentext.
Handhelds are a dying breed, the 3DS has sold less than the GBA, nevermind the NDS. Many kids seem to be okay with smartphones, and parents can just give their old smartphone without a SIM chip to their kids so they play free games on them
>>344645687
Yeah? It literally does? Can you link me to the peer reviewed studies that show this?
>>344646276
>Consoles are a dying breed, the Wii U has sold less than the GC, nevermind the Wii
>>344645886
Why even add this much detail when the DS shitty resolution didn't even bother showing the detail.
>>344646329
No but I cantell you how mine has gotten worse and now I wear glasses when before I was 20/20
>>344646343
But the PS4 sold well which you conveniently ignore :^)
The Xbone also sold more than the 360, sold faster than it.
The Vita dropped dead while the 3DS is their worst selling handheld, that's called a market shrinking.
>>344646458
Maybe it's the 18 hours a day you spend on the internet?
Don't know how the whole bad eyesight meme started, a monitor is literally just light. As long as you blink it can't harm you.
>>344646605
No the market moved over to mobile (smartphone)
>>344645495
Granted this is the DS, but I'm not asking for HD (even though that's totally within the realm of possibility) But when you got a resolution that's worse than the PSP's, which came out 7 years before it did..I mean c'mon now.
And don't be touting about dual screens, the secondary screen doesn't count for in-game pixels as much as it counts as a seperate UI display.
>>344646605
No. It's called nitpicking irrelevant shit. The 3DS still earns Nintendo an awful lot of money.
>>344646023
I will spontaneously cum if Citra gets to the point where it can use a Wii U gamepad for the bottom screen and run the top in full 1080 on my monitor.
>>344646458
Wow what a great anecdote. Your one case of vague correlation has convinced me.
>>344646681
The DS is different from the 3DS. It clearly couldn't handle 3D games but they tried anyway and it looked like shit.
Even regular Gameboy game looked way better and that resolution was like 16 pixels.
>>344646818
Why are you so mean anon I've clearly suffered enough
>>344646679
Are they the same markets, though? Because the games for mobile are clearly different than the handheld ones, since nobuttons. Also the market works with a different pricing structure than full price games.
>>344646605
You think the PS4 will sell 100 million units?
>>344646704
That's irrelevant to handhelds as a whole selling less than before.
>>344646893
No, but sales so far look pretty good, don't they? Publishers/devs abandoned the PS3/360 pretty quickly, which means the adoption was good for them.
>>344646893
A console doesn't have to sell 100 million units to be successful.
If it does, then the vast majority of consoles were failures.
>>344647087
And 3DS doesnt have to match DS sales to be a success either
>>344646886
They're not the same markets though the latter (mobile) was part of the original handheld market before smartphones became the all-around better utility for gaming and multitasking, along with the usual "people grow up and many stop playing video games" bit
>>344645038
Etrian Odyssey is going to be strange without dual screens. Wonder how they'll pull that off, or maybe they'll just ditch dungeon drawing? I dunno.
>>344647146
I'm not the anon you were originally replying to and I don't necessarily disagree with you on that, but I think his point was just that you see an overall downward trend in the success of handhelds and you actually don't see that overall with consoles. He's technically right about that, both the PS4 and Xbone are doing better than their predecessors, it's only the Wii U that has gone downward this generation.
That doesn't necessarily mean he's right about his thesis that handhelds are dying out and consoles aren't, but it does support his claim.
>>344646893
there isn't any competitor for them
even PS3 did 83 mil
>>344647227
Actually no. The mobile market is an offshoot from the PC market, which is why a bunch of mobile games are based off of early flash games just with added functionality. Also, a bunch of Myspace social games got pushed onto smartphones.
>>344647440
>don't see that overall with consoles.
Last gen had 250m+ total sales. This gen wont come close to that. Even if you remove the Wii sales, that's still 160m and the PS4 wont cover all of that alone.
>>344647909
The Wii was an anomaly, 3rd parties tried some games on it and then just ignored the thing.
Yes the 3DS can be successful without the NDS numbers, but that's not the argument, it is the worst selling Nintendo handheld so far, if that's not a dwindling of the handheld market, you tell me what it is.
>>344647909
160m and PS4 and Xbone are both extended their console with hardware upgrades so they're still trying to make this "gen" last, so I'm sure that could happen
>>344647909
Last gen was also extremely long-lived. A better comparison would be to look at the rate the consoles are selling and by that metric PS4 and Xbone are outperforming their predecessors.
The Wii was a fad. Lots of people who aren't normally part of the console market at all bought it, played Wii Sports and then never touched it again.
>>344648215
>The Wii was an anomaly
Already addressed that.
>>344648217
>160m and PS4 and Xbone are both extended their console with hardware upgrades so they're still trying to make this "gen" last
Doesn't work like that though. The moment those consoles come out alongside the NX is the moment a new gen starts.
>>344648414
It's not really going to count as a new gen if all the games being made still run on the base system. Plus only the Scorpio is supposed to have enough of a boost in power to really count, the PS4 Neo is not going to be that much of an increase.
>>344648350
You're underselling it, the Wii was a force of nature. Half of the top ten best selling games of all time had "Wii" in the title.
>>344648684
>top 15 bestselling games of all time are all published by Nintendo
how do they do it lads
>>344648683
>It's not really going to count as a new gen if all the games being made still run on the base system.
That has never stopped a new gen. The PS3 was still getting big named titles with the PS4 out and is still getting a bunch of Japanese games that Sony has to intentionally hide away.
But the New Nintendo 3DS XL just came out like last year
>>344642165
>no dual analog
Oh please god no.
>>344646681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtuAWp81SNw
>>344648414
>The moment those consoles come out alongside the NX is the moment a new gen starts
Doesn't mean the PS4/Xbone will be phased out. The upgraded consoles will keep the same ecosystem alive, since the games for them will also work on PS4.
Disregard this whole generation discussion, the NX is just Nintendo trying to catch up to the PS4/Xbone, because the Wii U was a system that tried to compete with the PS3's marketing, "Now you can play Nintendo games in HD!" yeah try that again 8 years before the Wii U launch, Nintendo.
>>344648815
No, I mean the new versions of the PS4 and Xbone aren't just going to still get games. The games are just going to keep coming out as they are now, and you will be able to play the same copy of the game on either your PS4 or your PS4 Neo. It will just be at a higher resolution on the Neo. There won't be a separate release for the Neo version.
The point of these upgrades is to try to keep people on consoles as opposed to switching to high end PCs. They've said as much. So they aren't releasing a whole new console, they're basically saying hey, if you want better graphics, you can upgrade to a faster PS4. But it's still a PS4.
>>344648874
2 years ago. I want the exact same handheld size and feel, but upgraded internals and like a 720p screen. Itd be heaven
>>344642165
Looks like an iPhone. If that's true they they are geniuses.
I've been saying for a few years now that Apple's smartest move is to splash the cash on Nintendo, and show them how to make a device with a real OS, not the crapware that currently runs it, and doesn't feel like a big hollow block of plastic with a completely unnecessary second screen.
I carry around an iPhone and a 3DS to most places I go, even work, and I never understood why it has to be that way. Aside from being a manchild of course.
>>344648897
This.
It NEEDS dual analog. even my chink 3ds copy has dual analog.
>people still think Nintendo has the market on handhelds
They lost it to tablets and phones long ago. Look how relatively poorly the 3ds sold and that shit came out in 2011. No one will want a 240p $300 Nintendo handheld when you can get a tablet which does infinitely more at the same price or cheaper
>>344641607
There's already a new handheld for Nintendo games.
>>344649167
To be clear, shamelessly copying the iPhone and making a game system around the premise of "thin sexy premium" is basically a good idea.
>>344649181
It's just an early design, I'm sure it will have two analog sticks when it comes out.
People put way too much stock in patents. Some patents never even get used.
>>344649046
A new gen doesn't automatically phases out the previous gen, that's completely up the the publishers and their greed.
>NX is just Nintendo trying to catch up to the PS4/Xbone
That's not hard to do. They don't have impressive hardware.
>>344649071
>No, I mean the new versions of the PS4 and Xbone aren't just going to still get games.
For awhile, they will like previous gens. Just don't be surprised when that stops.
>>344642948
More games than PS4 actually. Just remove all remasters and games that can be played on PS3 or Vita and you'll find that's the truth.
>InB4 Nintoddler
I have 3DS, WiiU, PS3, Vita and, and if it weren't for Bloodborne, I wouldn't have a PS4 (that, and the fact I could get one for 200 bucks)
>>344644296
The original PlayStation controller was all we had for several years, and when the DualShock came out, most games didn't make use of it.
>>344649167
Honestly if the iPhone had
A D-Pad
A Joystick
and eight buttons
It would be a handheld. But it doesn't and you can't play games on it, get that swiping shit out of here, I've used every controller form the Mastersystem to the Wiimote but you seriously can't expect me to maneuver around a Brachydios' explosions by pressing a screen
>>344649353
>m-multiplats don't count
>>344649046
Honestly, with the success of Pokemon Go and Nintendo's apparent mission in the market, I'm surprised they didn't embrace going mobile sooner. It's the casual machine that everybody already owns. Trying to get people to buy handhelds in order to do social stuff just isn't as effective as targeting mobile for a lot of that stuff. They should still make handhelds of course, but if they could make some other monster hits like Pokemon Go for mobile they could at least keep reinforcing their brand with Nintendium so that the next time the release a console, they might get some kids thinking "maybe I'll go Nintendo instead".
Though right now it still seems like kids are mostly into Minecraft. cheap indie shit that can run on their parent's computers, and whatever is passable on mobile.
>>344649351
I don't think you understand.
Take something like PS2-PS3. PS3 was backwards compatible so you could technically make a game that would run on both systems - but only by making it a PS2 game. So if you wanted to make a game that could run on PS2 but then take full advantage of the PS3 hardware, you could not do that. They were fundamentally different hardware.
This is not the same thing. A PS4 game will run optimally on both a PS4 and a PS4 Neo, because they're literally the same system, one is just faster.
>>344644439
Because it would be, y'know, portable?
Also they could do something like N3DS-Compatible games. Monster Hunter 4 haa better textures and framerate when played on a N3DS, Hyrule Warriors has better graphics and more enemies on screen.
Just imagine a portable device with a dock that provides extra power and connections to a TV. It's easily done.
>>344649514
One interesting thing I've noticed is that Pokemon Go seems to be overwhelmingly popular with an older crowd.
This makes sense. Little kids can't just wander around unsupervised. You have to be old enough to walk all over town with your phone to really get a lot of play time out of it.
Nintendo will undoubtedly realize this since it asks for your birthdate, and I assume they'd be smart enough to know it would be the case in advance. This could be a wake up call for them to realize the value of targeting older players, though.
>>344649710
Who'd ever thought that a video game which is not a video game at all would be popular among people who generally hate video games?
>>344649531
>I don't think you understand.
I understand fine, it's you that's not following me so I'll make it simple for you.
Do you see the PS4 getting 100% of the Neo's library 3-4 years after the Neo release? Because it wont.
There won't be a new DS
Nintendos next handheld will be a phone with buttons and a cardridge slot, basically.
>>344649167
Why is it genius though? The form factor of the Iphone isn't why people own it, it's just that the Iphone is a phone that you can do everything you need on the go, including play games. I just don't see how a handheld can compete with a smartphone at being a smartphone. Everybody already owns smartphones. If they're in the market for a smartphone, why even consider a knockoff that is game-focused? If they wanted games, then the 3DS or Vita would already be obvious because smartphone games are 99% garbage.
I don't see how that handheld market bounces back short of really getting kids to want their parents to buy handhelds again, or just jumping on mobile and making good games for it. Though really I wish people would make mobile games with some sort of controller peripheral in mind. Touchscreen mechanics are just not going to make anything really good. There isn't anything wrong with casual phone shit, but that is all it is as long as the controls are limited to touch screen.
>>344649819
>people who generally hate video games?
A huge amount of them are people who played and loved pokemon as a kid, retard. It's even popular on /v/.
>>344649872
Why not? 100% would be the same amount as 0%.
>>344649872
Depends on how well both systems sell. Right now ps4 has a 40+ million advantage. If the neo doesn't take off, or is outpaced by the 4, then I fully expect both systems to be getting game as 3-4 years from now.
Assuming another gen doesn't begin in 4 years.
If the next Nintendo handheld doesn't have as good specs as a smartphone in the same price range as a smartphone it can kiss it's sales goodbye.
Literally no excuse for having a 240p screen , weak processor, low graphics chipset , low ram, and gimicky stuff won't help it win now. I would buy a high powered Nintendo handheld, I would not buy another gimmick .
>>344649872
There is literally zero reason why it wouldn't. This is what I'm trying to explain to you.
Your argument is essentially that when a new graphics card comes out for PC, in 3-4 years all games require that card minimum. It's not even close. The whole point of adopting this iterative hardware philosophy is so that you can design a game and then let users play it at whatever quality settings are available to them depending on which version of the hardware they have.
>>344641607
The sucessor is coming out 2017.
>>344650113
Honestly I'd be happy if it came out with Vita specs and a 480p screen
>>344650113
Smartphones are fucking expensive man. Most people are on payment plans, the actual phones are like, $600-$800. There is barely even a market for home consoles above like, $500.
>>344650113
>If the next Nintendo handheld doesn't have as good specs as a smartphone in the same price range as a smartphone
So more than a PS4 / Xbox1? for a handheld?
>>344650085
If the Neo doesn't take off, there's no point in it existing and it will either get forced down people's throats or they will Vita it. There's no middle ground to that.
>>344650268
When a new graphics card comes out, it puts an expiration date on older models. Doesn't really matter how well games skills, shit will eventually lose support and more and more devs will stop making games for it when M$ and Sony allow it.
>>344646727
that's gonna take like 20 years.
>>344650113
>f the next Nintendo handheld doesn't have as good specs as a smartphone in the same price range as a smartphone
Are you retarded or do you just not realize what smartphones cost because your mom and dad still pay for your phone plan?
An up to date, powerful smartphone costs more than a brand new home console.
If Nintendo put out something like that it would literally be in direct competition with the iphone. As it stands the 3DS is something a lot of people who own smartphones will still buy because it's inexpensive and offers a unique experience. What you suggest would be suicide.
>>344649351
>that's completely up the the publishers and their greed.
No, that's up to the market, and publishers just sell games where people buy most.
if nobody picked up games on PS4/Xbone and PS3/360 games still sold a lot, they'd stick with the old ones, but that's not what happened.
I don't think the NX is going to make people leave the PS4/Xbone ecosystem, so pretending they're "old generation" now just sounds like a fallacy. People didn't leave their PS3/360 when the Wii U came out. Save that for the PS5/Xbone2.
We don't know about how powerful the NX is, but I'm not arguing about power, the problem was that one of the selling points of the Wii U was HD, which people had already experienced on the PS3/360, since the Wii was a secondary, very cheap console that people had along with one of the HD twins.
>>344650341
>>344650564
You're thinking about highend smartphones anon.
the moto g is literally around $150 and has a 1080p screen and more power than the NEW 3ds. It's no excuse anymore, I'm not asking for 4k Snapdragon 830 chipset, I'm asking for them to at least put in something decent.
720/1080p screen, a nice graphics chipset, and a nice comfy device.
>>344650420
read above
>>344650113
>Literally no excuse
So youre ok with Nintendos next handheld costing $500-600? I dont think so.
>>344650451
>When a new graphics card comes out, it puts an expiration date on older models.
Yes, but that expiration date doesn't come for at least a full console generation lifecycle, often longer. Remember that the point of this is you're trying to claim the PS4 Neo represents the beginning of a new console generation. I'm explaining to you why a marginal upgrade to the exact same hardware does not count.
>>344650657
>moto g
This could run a 3DS game for about 40 minutes before going nuclear hot and draining the battery to 30%. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
>>344650657
Not sure if youre retarded or not.
>>344650607
>No, that's up to the market, and publishers just sell games where people buy most.
Not really. People were still willing to buy PS3 and 360 games until publishers said "No more".
>>344650657
It's actually 720p anon
>>344650754
keep moving those goalposts
>>344650874
yet it beats 240p screen on a $150 3ds
>>344650884
>moving goalposts
Youre actually implying a mobile can perform the same as a dedicated handheld. It literally couldnt. Not with even remotely the same performance. Mobile phones overheat and drain batteries after long term gaming because they arent designed for that.
>>344650564
Yeah, unique doesn't necessarily mean good. In fact I'd say my experience with the 3DS has been abysmal due to its shit specs.
240p was and still is unacceptable.
>>344650884
How is that moving the goalposts? You think it would be smart for Nintendo to release a handheld with an hour of battery life?
Nobody denies that the next handheld should be significantly more powerful than the 3DS but there is no way it is going to have the same processor/resolution as a standard smartphone and cost $150. Just not even the remotest chance.
>>344651098
You're implying that the next Nintendo handheld is going to be a smartphone. Nobody ever said that. There's a difference having a handheld made for gaming which naturally should have a good battery and cooling for better graphics and speed. If the vita could do it, Nintendo could.
>>344641919
No way in hell, Jose. The Gameboy sold over 120M units while the 3DS will never reach 70M.
I just want like, 2 more games I know will be worth picking up besides LoZ when the NX releases.
I don't give a shit about specs in consoles. Never have, never will. Just give me GAMES.
I am extremely concerned that they won't show anything about the console though. That's almost always a bad sign in the tech industry.
>>344641919
>>Survive 3 gens with 10/10 games from the first day to the last
>>344651321
>Game Boy came out in '89
>Sold 120m units over the last 26 years
>3DS came out in 2011
>Sold 50m units over the last 5 years
really makes you think
>>344651241
Except the Vita has a lower resolution than the phone anon posted, smaller screen, less RAM and a far worse camera. And it was much more expensive.
Next Nintendo handheld should definitely have around Vita-level resolution and processing capabilities, but it will not be up to that smartphone in resolution or processor speed and it will cost more.
FUCK CLAMSHELL DESIGN
Thank fuck for 2DS actually big enough for my hands.
>the NX will probably drop the second screen in both home console and handhelds
Sad
>>344650825
It's the other way around. You think publishers would release games on systems without an userbase? They made crossgen games to test the waters, saw the software sales of next gen, decided they were enough to move on full time to them.
>>344642165
>one stick
That's it--I am now a cruzmissle
>>344651409
This.
I'm getting an NX because I'm a Nintendo fanboy, even tho even I am starting to get wary of Miyamoto getting too old and entrenched. I'm also unsure of the new leadership, don't even know who the CEO is. Even tho Iwata helmed the WiiU fiasco, I feel like he had a lot of potential to generate more good stuff because he seemed to like games and liked Nintendo. The other good thing is "Miyamoto's protégés" or whatever made Splatoon. So hopefully that talent results in more good shit.
Hopefully they'll have some good launch stuff too. It is disconcerting that they haven't announced much yet, even though it has a release window early next year.
>>344651984
sorry i don't have sexy fem hands like you bbe :^)
>>344649363
poor kid confirmed.
>>344649181
This anon here, I am surprised at the amount of people saying they wouldn't want a powerful handheld.
My chink 3ds ripoff has all this
5 inch 1280*720 touch screen
Rockchip RK3288 Quad Core 1.8GHz CPU
2GB DDR3 RAM + 16GB eMMC ROM
6000 mAh
and lasts 8 hours gaming .
All in literally a copy of the 3ds, it can be done, I don't see why people would argue against it. Nintendo can do it, thres no reason why they shouldn't other than to rip off their fans by placing a 240p screen. It's just silly to think that they can get away with realising such low powered specs on a handheld when smartphones have much more functions and are 8x as powerful as a 3ds nowadays.
If they release another low powered handheld , people will just indefinitely switch to smartphone gaming (like with pokemon go) and Nintendo and Sonys handhelds will die off quickly.
>>344652015
just get an XL faggot
>>344651954
>even tho even I am starting to get wary of Miyamoto getting too old and entrenched.
Miyamoto recently stepped down from decision making in the hardware process, and then from any decision making in Breath of the Wind.
He is getting less influential, not more. Given the flop that was Star Fox Zero, the huge success of Splatoon and the enormously positive response to BotW, it's pretty easy to read between the lines. Nintendo (and possibly Miyamoto himself) is realizing that it's time for him to take a backseat.
>Decided to hack my 3ds
>Fuck up the along the process somewhere, my NNID gets deleted, along with all the extra data for smash
>Wipe and start over
>Panic a little, but ultimately stop caring
>Get it set up
>eventually re-link NNID
>Somehow get everything back
Can anyone explain to me why smash data like unlockables are linked to your fucking NNID? Or am I understanding this shit wrong.
I'm still just going to wait until the 3DS is almost completely phased out, then I'll buy a New3DS XL SP Micro when it's in the bargain bins for $50.
>>344652015
>what is a 3DS XL
hurr durr
>>344652123
>people saying they wouldn't want a powerful handheld
Nobody says that. People are OK with shit hardware as long as the games are good
>>344652318
You can still make good games with powerful hardware, look at PC for example.
adaad
>>344652123
No one's arguing against it. Those specs would be quite reasonable for a new Nintendo handheld. The problem is that anon was trying to claim it should be significantly more powerful than that, cost $150 and still be a dedicated gaming platform with good battery life.
That would of course be awesome. It's just not realistic.
>>344652123
>Nintendo and Sonys handhelds will die off quickly
The PSVITA is already dead bro. Sony themselves said it. Thats why they didn't showed shit in the E3
>>344652143
Equally as horrible. Bigger doesn't mean better when it comes to the clamshell design.
>>344652386
Nobody argued that
>>344652225
That is actually terrific. I'm glad he did it before he lived to become the total enemy, even though it's unfortunate his career might be capped off with Star Fox Zero. It's also unfortunate that it seems like he destroyed Paper Mario with Sticker Star, and it's never going to get better again. Even though I really hope Color Splash is actually good.
>>344641998
Not for 260$ u cuck.
Also i want the black one.
>>344652467
I was talking about their next handheld.
>>344652143
>>344652296
>These bunch of triggered 3DS autists
The 2DS is literally the best version of the 3DS available unless you have women hands.
>B-but muh 3D!
Useless gimmick. Kill yourself.
>>344652143
>>344652296
I got 2ds because I like the stick to be where it would be on a console pad, and that it fits in my hand.
XL still has a hinge, and the stick in a small hands place.
>>344652594
>buying the fisher price 1 inch screen version
>>344652123
I think they should release a handheld with as much power as they can manage in the $200 range, but I don't see how power will save them when the Vita was pretty powerful and just totally tanked. It even has had a pretty good library for a couple years now.
>>344652748
Vita had only weebshit.
>>344652697
lol, 2ds is all one screen with plastic covering, actually biggest screen :^)
>>344652594
I agree.
The 2ds is weirdly comfy.
Like I wasn't expecting how good it feels. The d-pad is better, the shoulder buttons don't break, I've dropped it countless times and there's no cracks, and the analog stick doesn't pop off.
I got it for cheap as fuck too.
I'm actually kinda pissed I got a launch old 3ds
>>344652594
I own a 2DS though. I'd rather have a 3DS XL since it's still pretty small and the dpad is crap.
>>344652697
>Buying a handheld with the DPI of a cellphone from 2004
>>344652748
Devs said "Oh, this is playstation, and this is being marketed as a mini PS3. Yeah, we should totally try to make PS3 games for this!" and everyone but indie devs and low-budget jap devs died
>>344652594
It's a hideous-looking cheese wedge. I have big hands and I originally bought a standard sized 3DS when it first came out, hated how cramped my hands were on it. Bought the XL and never had a problem.
Sorry you're stuck with the ugly budget model with the tiny screen.
>>344652914
Not him but I love my cheese wedge. It reminds me of my old gameboy.
>>344641607
I doubt there will be a 9th Generation of handheld gaming honestly. Sony gave up on the Vita due to mobile gaming. The 3DS hasn't old nearly as good as the DS. At this point the only reason why nintendo would make a new handheld is because Pokemon needs to be put on something.
>>344650754
That only happens because of battery design in smartphones, built for portability over dissipation and duration.
Doesn't change the fact current gen handhelds are INCREDIBLY underpowered.
>>344653062
>Pokemon needs to be put on something
GIVE ME CONSOLE POKEMON NINTENDO YOU FUCKS
>>344653316
>pokemon on console
Literally for what purpose.
>>344652914
Nobody with a job is "stuck" with anything. If you're fine with the XL's horrific DPI and ergonomics, more power to you.
>>344653316
>>344653409
Pokemon is was born in handheld. Is a handheld game. It wouldn't be the same on a home console.
I swear to god if nintendo doesn't go through with the poweful handheld/console hybrid it will make me very angry. Just imagine playing the new Zelda on it and then plugging it into a dock for extra power so it looks extra nice?
>>344653679
What a retarded fucking argument.
>>344653861
That'd be pretty cool desu.
Can you guys imagine a normal Pokemon Game on Mobile? I don't know how that would even work. I mean the developers in GF spend a lot of monet making those Games. If they were to put it on Android/ios it would probably cost 40$ like the real deal. But we all know is extremely easy to pirate in those systems. that would make them lose a lot of money so i don't know if a main line pokemon game on smartohone will ever work
>>344641607
After NX they're moving on to mobile shit.
>>344654049
>If they were to put it on Android/ios it would probably cost 40$ like the real deal.
You can't. You simply can't. Nobody pays that much for the app itself. Squeenix was the laughingstock because of the final fantasy prices on iOS years ago. If you are going to spend $40, then it has to be via microtransactions, not what you pay to get it
>>344654049
You could game if freemium with a fuckload of microtransactions.
I mean, Pokemon is sort of a game that allows for it pretty easily I would think.
Granted it would make it shit, but it's not like people playing on their cell phones care about quality in the first place.
Obviosuly it would make the game shit.
>>344653580
Different Anon
I'm legitimately jealous.
I can't find these in Americlapistan.
>>344654049
>>344654285
>>344654636
Vidya dev/android dev here.
A normal pokemon game in smartphones, with the functions of Pokemon Go, would be a fuckhuge project and almost impossible to make. No fucking server would work with that load. Think of it this way, the devs already have problems with Pokemon Go and they only have released a couple of regions.
Also, the app would probably fail.
What /v/ doesn't understand it's that the smartphone market doesn't work as the normal vidya industry. Your typical vidya player spends at least 12 hours a week in videogames.
The typical smartphone player only plays when they're in the pooper. Pokemon Go works so well because it isn't demanding. Just do your normal everyday shit, the phone will tell you when to catch pokemon, and you'll be a pokemon master with 0 effort.
A normal pokemon game requires dedication and time.
And even if you were to create a game like that for phones, it would fail, because you would reach like 1/10 of the avaliable users, since most of them doesn't use their phones for more things than facebook.
So, just no. Pokemon Go understands the current market. It's just that it isn't marketted towards the normal pokemon fan. You guys can have your hardcore 500 hour RPG games on handheld and consoles. The rest of them can have a f2p mobile game.
It's just how the market works.
TL;DR no it would work
>>344653580
>he bought the clear plastic version
>>344654049
>Take Pokemon GO
>Add TM's to Store
>Add HM's to Gyms
>Throw EV's out the window
>Allow Pokemon to have more than 2 moves
>Add EXP to Pokemon
>Allow Player vs Player battles
Easy
>>344654873
I think a more normal(but condensed) Pokemon game would work if it had microtransactions.
Hell, I would probably play it. You know, catch a rattatta while you take a shit, or do some trainer battles while waiting for the bus.
They could just rip all the graphics from the DS games to save some money.
>>344655143
It's not about money or shit, it's about reaching the people.
Again, think of the most normal normie you've ever known. The one with the default wallpaper in their phone.
If you make an app that takes more than a couple of minutes, or requires more than a couple taps/swipes, you'll lose him.
And that's the primary population of the mobile market. If you're making a product for them, you gotta think in them. Either you'll lose the main public and your app will be a failure.
>>344655372
And yet games like that have been more than profitable in the past. You don't need to cater to the retards of the retards to make money. There are still plenty of people who would play it. The market is fucking huge after all.
And it's not like Pokemon requires much of your time anyways, especially if they build the game around phones a bit more. Make it a bit less about going on a adventure and more about grinding shit.
>>344654873
Part of the beauty of Pokemon Go is that it DOES appeal to a lot of core game fans as well as casual players. As long as you understand that it's a fundamentally different product and only try to appreciate it for what it is, it's great. And I say this as a pokemon whore who buys every new gen and every remake.
