Is buying from G2A immoral?
>>344619668
might as well just pirate it, the dev sees none of your purchase and it just goes to some scammer russian
its actually immoral NOT to buy from g2a because it makes redditfags and indyfags so mad
>>344620139
kek
here's to (you)
>>344620119
this
>>344620119
But what if I like having Steam keys?
It's a black market.
Make of that what you will.
>>344620119
>just do something illegal instead of something morally grey
>>344620685
but when you buy on G2A some faggot hacker did it with a stolen credit card.
Either way, SOMEONE's breaking the law.
>>344620798
>when you buy on G2A marketplace
fixed for you
also they've already put regulations on it, they did a blog post where devs can now claim from marketplace purchases
>>344620896
>>when you buy on G2A marketplace
>fixed for you
That's pretty clearly what OP is referring to.
>>344619668
>07/11/16(Mon)08:11:55 No.344619668
Buying games full price when you can get them cheaper is immoral.
>>344620590
pointless
it has some pretty spicy deals.
DUCKS
>>344619668
Not at all.
>>344620119
>scammer russian
I like this meme. g2a lets anyone sell their key, meaning, people that get codes with their gpu and don't want it can make money from it.
majority of /v/ paid $60 for the division(some $90 since they bought the dlc). I paid $27. all of us lost money on that game, but at least I lost a lot less.
>>344620119
What do you mean. Are you telling me every keys are stolen or what?
>>344621681
A significant amount of their stock was originally purchased with stolen credit cards that get chargeback'd later.
>>344621681
A lot of them are.
>>344619668
You are the consumer.
The consumer has the privilege to choose where they shop, and should take advantage of the best possible deals they can.
It is not illegal for people to buy game keys from G2A, plain and simple.
If developers and game stores dislike G2A, they should have prices competitive to G2A's.
>>344620119
multiplayer games, idiot.
>>344621452
>implying I was dumb enough to buy The Division
>>344621875
Buying stolen goods is literally illegal.
>>344622054
>I don't actually play games
>I don't fully understand g2a
>I just come here to shitpost
we get it.
>>344621875
>take advantage of the best possible deals they can.
then by that logic everyone should be pirating
>>344621875
>be developer
>make my prices competitive to G2A
>faggots buy a ton of copies with stolen credit cards that end up getting chargebacked
>now G2A's prices are even lower
>>344622054
They aren't stolen.
>>344619668
bought Doom... saved 2 euros
>>344622135
I understand what a "grey" market is and that is what G2A is. Stop fucking shilling.
>>344619668
You are hurting the guys that get smaller prices due to living in shitty places, like South America and Russia, because if people exploit regional keys to sell to american/europeans players, they'll have to make a single price for everybody and more likely than not, they'll pick the most expensive price.
So in the end the american/europeans players will go back to playing full price and the fuckers that live in shitholes won't buy the game anyway and go back to pirating.
>>344622217
There isn't anything wrong with that either.
>>344622223
Then they should offer something that G2A doesn't.
>inb4 "What?"
>>344622368
>There isn't anything wrong with that either.
what makes you think that? obviously there are some benefits to piracy, but if people making games don't get money from their work then they'll stop making games. i suppose it forces innovation though, by making people come up with new ways to earn money instead of rehashing the same games forever.
>>344622549
Pirates aren't going to buy games even if they are good, because that's just what they do.
>>344619668
Developers would rather you pirate their games than use G2A
>>344622549
A pirated game doe not equal a lost sale, it simply copies a game's files. Not to mention a pirate gains the benefit of no DRM.
>>344619668
>immoral
That word does not mean what you think it means
I use it to buy multiplayer games published by shit publishers like EA ubisoft and 2K
>mfw EA expects me as a 3rd worlder to pay 60 euros for a new game
I'd rather pay G2A $50 USD and call it a day
What if I consider standard video game prices (50-60€) immoral?
Also this >>344620139
I bought about 30 games from g2a, none of them were removed. This is just mad indiefags trying to raise a stink.
>>344624428
>none of them were removed
Nobody said they would be.
>>344624536
Perhaps not in this thread but it's part of the whole argument. People would give even less of a shit if the narrative only relied on the immorality angle.
better than steam sales
The business model of g2a is completely legal under eu consumer protection laws. There is nothing wrong with buying keys second hand. Butthurt publishers have created a false narrative that a majority of these keys are stolen to trick moralfags into not using these types of services because they believe they are entitled to a cut of second hand sales. It is sad that so many people are such uniformed consumers that they buy into what is essentially corporate propaganda. In reality only a small percentage of keys come from theft or fraud much like ebay or any other marketplace. People should probably stop getting their opinions from totalbisquick and start thinking for themselves.
>>344625254
I just use gmg and gamesplanet
Nearly the same price and those guys don't give any issues while G2A occasionally does
Why is it people bring up g2a but never the more popular gmg
>wahhhhh these video game come from questionable sources, this is not right!!!!!!!!!
>excuse me while i go to the store and buy clothes made from indonesian/central american slave labor, fruit and vegetables picked by multinational slave labor, shoes made by vietnamese slave children, and computer parts and iphones made in the foxconn factory where employees have literally killed themselves
>>344625470
Because g2a has a user marketplace
>>344625470
Its all the same thing really. The publishers already got their cut when these keys were purchased from them. Now they want to double dip and get a cut from the secondhand market.
>>344625470
gmg already went through a thing with cdpr where they got witcher 3 keys from "questionable sources" that everyone already conveniently forgot about.
>>344619668
Only if it's for a dev you care about.
I don't give two shits about giving money to Blizzard or EA so I'll buy that shit.
>>344625956
The "questionable sources" was cdpr being butthurt that their distributors undercut them and let keys go for less than msrp in the eu region.
>Please pay 80 dollars for a new release
Fuck you
>>344626074
But the dev already got paid for every key on these sites.
since when was grey market immoral?
Really, people are making the assumption that everyone on g2a is a thief selling stolen goods. Do you guys make the same assumption while buying stuff from ebay, or amazon market place, or the flea market?
>>344625956
see
>>344626151
They asked them to buy keys directly and they didn't want to budge. Gmg is partnered with other official publishers are well. It's not like G2A where other people can sell their stolen or not stolen keys on a marketplace. What likely happens is they sell their keys and take a far smaller profit that valve would have but if many people buy it's still decent cash.
CDPR just got asshurt about it since Gmg bought it from another distributor that they greenlit
>>344619668
No. If you live in a capitalist country you shouldnt care.
>>344619668
It's legal and moral.
Not G2A fault that some stupid developers give out Steam gift keys for promotions. G2A will gather all these valid keys and then sell them. If anything it's a lesson on how to be very careful at how many gift keys to give out before they are activated.
In general, I suggest publishers to deactivate steam gift keys for their games. It's too prone to stolen credit card abuse, and then the chargebacks come. Real life lesson right there, and a faulty system that scumbags like G2A will take advantage from. If anything it's Valve's fault.
I use g2a for the denuvo games that I want to play because as long as the filthy publisher (or indie dev i guess) doesn't see any of my money I'm cool with it. supporting credit card fraud or physical theft is an acceptable alternative to piracy when the latter is rendered impossible.games without denuvo that I pirate and like are then purchased on steam for full price
>>344626715
I do the exact same thing are you me?
>>344622848
i agree about the part with no DRM and that's one of the benefits of piracy. but i feel like "it's just a copy, not stealing" is a lame argument. i'm sure plenty of people pirated games and bought less just because they could.
What's immoral is Steam raising base prices during sales, and passing off more expensive products as big price drops.
>>344626412
grey markets are filled with stolen goods. that is the cess pool that is g2a. they're parasites. even piracy is a better alternative
>>344626715
>ayo imma jus drive this car for 200000 miles if i like it i'll pay you maybe
>>344628765
The whole idea that it is a grey market is a meme. Is ebay a grey market?
It's a doggy dog world so if there's the legit game for sale cheaper than it is on steam, I'm gonna do that.
I bought DOOM for £26 of cdkeys instead of paying £35ish for it.
>>344628765
G2A isn't grey. They're like yellow because of the marketplace where anyone can put shit there. It can be legit or stolen.
Gmg is more like a gray market. You're not buying directly but they tend to just buy from the publisher's themselves and don't allow others to sell their keys. So there's a bit of security at least.
>>344629041
>A grey market is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels that are legal but unintended by the original manufacturer.
I guess since we can resell what we physically buy it's intended on ebay. However digital shit is complicated. So there's a difference. Then again there are cd keys sold on ebay so you can say some parts are a grey market.
>>344629270
I don't think you know what gray market is anon
I think its immoral to charge 60 bucks for 20 bucks worth of content.
Fuck devs.
>>344629693
I'm not gonna argue with you for hours just because you're far too retarded to know what it is. Good day
>>344619668
The deals are not that great either and I want to support my favourite devs.
>>344628850
You can test drive cars though.
>>344619668
games are outrageously overpriced, so no.
>>344619668
Is buying a pre-owned game immoral?
>>344625949
But they didn't from G2A if they were bought with stolen credit cards
>>344628510
That's not Steam. The devs and publishers set the prices.
>>344630627
Unless your received steam key gets revoked, then the publisher still receives money for it.
>>344630497
It is if the previous owner stole the game.
>>344630728
Since when? The money goes to the seller and G2A takes a cut.
>>344619668
It's risky, that's what it is.
They are shady as fuck.
>>344629236
tasty meme
>>344631050
If the key was purchased, then money goes to the developer. if the card was stolen to buy the key in the first place, then the money is refunded and the key forfeited (if its discovered).
Even games resold from videocard sales will net something to the original developer.
>>344626989
Yes
>>344631636
Unless the customer does a chargeback, as their "legitimate" key has been taken away from them. It then COSTS the developer money.
It's just kind of stupid, since you can do it yourself and cut out the middleman
1) Get Russian VPN access
2) Make a brand new Steam account using the VPN
3) Make a new Paypal account and set your country as Russian, put in a Russian address (doesn't matter as long as it's a real address)
4) Use your existing paypal account (if you don't have one, make a real one and link your credit card/bank account etc)
5) send paypal to the fake russian account in the exact total in rubs
6) using the VPN and the russian steam account, pay for the game with your new russian paypal account that has a russian billing address
7) voila, dirt cheap games with no middleman taking a cut
You can then setup offline mode to play single player games or enable family sharing and authorize your real steam account to play multiplayer games. Since you haven't actually broken any rules with your real steam account, even if they catch you (they won't) there's not shit they can do except to your fake russian account, since the only policy violation was using a VPN and that was done on the fake account
>>344630627
That is what some publishers claim. But other then a few highly publicised cases where keys were purchased in bulk fraudulently there is not really any evidence that this is true. It is corporate propaganda from publishers who are upset that a legal secondary market exists. They think they deserve a cut of these sales and are upset that these prices undercut msrp.
>>344632025
He's saying in cases of chargeback, the product key is revoked. So you'd know if the developer lost money because the game would disappear from your collection.
If the game doesn't disappear, then the developer kept the money, because you kept the game.
>>344629584
>digital shit is complicated
Maybe in the us. But in the eu (where these resellers operate) the resale of digital goods is legal under consumer protection laws.
>>344620119
>some keys were stolen, it must mean every single other key is stolen too
>>344619668
G2A gets legit keys, however they buy it from secondary sources that use stolen credit cards that buy it from the primary source.
Only people who get fucked over are the primary sources, basically people who made the game and sold the keys. When people realize they have unauthorized charges, they report to their bank/credit card company and then the chargeback happens. The primary source ends up paying back for the key and they get fined a small fee. This really hurts smaller companies and indies since they end up losing more money than making. Doesn't really affect big giants much.
So yes, it's better if you pirate games than buy from places like G2A.
A good example is what happened to mangagamer earlier this year. Mangagamer themselves were hit by tons of fraud charges. Too many fraud charges forced them to temporary stop all transactions on their store.
http://nichegamer.com/2016/02/15/manga-gamer-temporarily-halts-sales-due-to-fraudulent-credit-card-transactions/
>>344632025
>>344632149
The developer doesn't lose money anyway, since it didn't cost them anything to destroy the key and refund the money.
>>344632491
But if you read the thread, or knew anything about steam, you'd know that games that were chargebacked are removed.
So as long as you have the game, the money went through okay.
>>344632525
They actually do
My business is retail, chargebacks cost you the cost+alpha
Say it was $20, it gets reversed so you lose that $20, and in addition there's also like a $10 chargeback fee, so the total loss was $30. Add the cost of the goods to that.
For software there is no cost of goods but there's still the chargeback fee
People seem to think grey market means illegal instead of what it actually is "A grey market is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels that are legal but unintended by the original manufacturer." As >>344629584 already posted.
Emphasis on that are legal but unintended.
>>344632525
>The developer doesn't lose money anyway
They do. Store gets fined a small fee for every chargeback. Those things add up especially when you also have to pay back the initial cost of any key you sold.
>>344632594
>you'd know that games that were chargebacked are removed.
I think that only applies to games that Steam sold themselves and then you do a chargeback.. in fact they lock your account so you can never buy anything else ever again. If it's sold from some third party source, I don't think steam gives a fuck.
Butthurt indie devs are trying to crush grey market sites. Hell those tinybuild faggots wanted to get royalties from key sales. Greedy double dipping cunts and their smear campaigns, they even lied about the situation to make G2A seem worse than it is.
>>344630364
Nigger what, it's practically a steam sale every day.
>>344633274
if my game comes out I'm gonna sell some of the keys to g2a periodically to make sure i can get some money from customers who would love the game enough to pay for it but don't have money for the full price
>>344633274
How're they double dipping if their keys are bought with stolen credit cards and charged back? What is with these G2A shills? Can't you just admit you're happy with buying maybe stolen goods as long as you get it for cheap?
>>344633802
Tinybuild literally said, they don't want their product sold on any greymarket sites whatsoever regardless of trustworthiness unless they get royalties from the selling of the key.
That's double dipping you dumb cunt.
>>344633641
And I bet a scalper would see your lonely key for mad cheap and buy it off you so he can resell it at a much higher price. So in the end, poor people won't get that key. Nice job genius.
>>344633960
That's not how it works you dumb fuck.
When a company puts their game on steam or some other legit store, they only put the game on there. Steam or any legit store does not pay the game company a single cent until a key is sold. Meaning they get paid once, there is no fucking double dipping.
>>344634102
typical indie shill can't even read what people are saying. TINY BUILD WANT THAT TO BE CHANGED
>>344620119
I can't pirate denuvo this is the next best thing
>>344634162
Reread when you posted and APOLOGIZE for being a fucking retard.
>>344634275
You're the fucking retard here you dumb cunt
>>344629584
There are also laws in place "preventing" you from selling other physical goods but they still happen and are as much moral as anything else.
G2a task force should attack ebay as well as private resellers.
>>344634327
You're a moron that doesn't even know what double dipping means. Nothing you posted means double dipping. Now reread your own post and APOLOGIZE.
>>344619668
>Indie/small publisher games?
Yes.
>AAA games?
No.
>>344634382
holy shit let me spell it out for you you mouthbreathing retard. They want to be paid for the sale of their game, then paid again when that key is sold on G2A
YOU DENSE CUNT
>>344634461
>They want to be paid for the sale of their game
With stolen credit cards. So no, they did not make any money from the sale. That is the entire meaning of why they said they want royalties.
> then paid again when that key is sold on G2A
Nobody in their right mind would buy keys for full price from the source, then resell to G2A for mad cheap unless they know they were using stolen credit cards.
>>344633964
do scalpers buy all the keys of g2a all the time?
Because I've had it quite easy to get my keys from there.
Also implying scalper would go for a noname indie game targeted at a niche audience
>>344634579
You are incapable of reading aren't you. REGARDLESS OF THE VALIDITY OF THE SALE, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT STOLEN CREDIT CARDS AND ARE LEGIT TRANSACTIONS THEY WANT ROYALTIES WHEN THE KEY IS RESOLD ON THIRD PARTY SITES
I worked with the developer of tea party simulator, and he said he gave out 15 keys to people claiming to be reviewers, and 13 keys showed up on g2a. The only two that didn't were ones he gave to pewdiepie and then some other noname who still never reviewed it.
In short, it's not really immoral, it's up to the dev to not give out keys. No keys means g2a can't sell your game.
>>344634642
>do scalpers buy all the keys of g2a all the time?
Scalpers don't give a fuck where they buy it from as long as they can buy it for mad cheap and resell to make profit. All scalpers care about is profit.
>Also implying scalper would go for a noname indie game targeted at a niche audience
If it's profitable, they don't give a fuck what the name is or where it came from. They also do this quite often with niche weebshit games.
>>344619668
sooner or later, valve is going to ask G2A to give their key database to Valve who are then going to block all the keys and remove the games you purchased.
>>344634705
And like I said, it's not double dipping because they never made money in the first place from stolen credit card sales.
If they start making royalties from these grey back, then it would be the first time they actually make anything. It wouldn't be double dipping like you claim.
99% of keys are legit on g2a
the only immoral thing here is the 1% of key sellers that are selling stolen good
the buyer is not to blame
>>344621452
>tfw you didn't even buy the division because you are too poor so you wait 7 years to play a game
Hey, guys, anyone like Borderlands?
>>344634762
again I've never had a problem with games running out of stock on G2A
But since you strawmanned scalpers so bad I'm kinda worried what happens when FBI comes and wipes G2A servers, will they get all the keys and give them to federal prisoners since I don't want federal prisoners to play my game
>>344634847
holy shit greedy indie apologist fuck off back to plebbit
>>344634847
You're implying stolen card sales compose 100% of the g2a market
And you're wrong, they've been cracking down and doublechecking everything, the real number is like 0.1% AT BEST, and if it is found stolen it's invalidated
>>344634907
It's much more than 1%. It's just that most of the time, the source company that sold the initial key can't do shit about it once it reached the end buyer. They just get fucked over on chargebacks. Just ask mangagamer.
>>344620119
This and they have to actual pay for charge back
>>344622054
knowingly buying stolen goods is illegal
if you have no way to know (and when the intermediate does their best to stop it happening you assume they're not stolen) then it's legal
>>344634997
I know it's not 100%, however it clearly much larger than 0.1%. And you pulled that number from your arse.
>>344634957
Fuck off back to G2A you G2A shill.
>>344635109
>he fell for the lies of the indiedevs
lmbo
>>344635109
You however haven't cited any numbers and you're trying to say that the lost money is greater than when indie dev decides to treat his company to a quality pack of coffee.
Go find some numbers, right now you're pulling shit out of your ass talking like poor old indie devs make no money since all the keys are stolen and they NEEED the royalities
2bh selling keys yourself to g2a at reduced price would get you same amount of money as selling from steam does
maybe, but I don't really care.
>>344635217
>You however haven't cited any numbers
>Go find some numbers
Nobody counts actual numbers because you'd have to be a G2A employee to actually know a hint of what the real numbers are. And they will never reveal real numbers because they make their money off every purchase regardless if key is gotten through illegal means or not.
> you're trying to say that the lost money is greater than when indie dev decides to treat his company to a quality pack of coffee.
Obviously because credit card companies charge stores a fee for any chargeback they get.
> selling keys yourself to g2a at reduced price would get you same amount of money as selling from steam does
Who the fuck would buy legit keys from source at full price and then resell it at huge discount? Besides people using stolen credit cards trying to get rid of all keys as soon as possible... nobody does this shit. You haven't offered a single logical reasoning for this shit.
>>344635480
why do you have all that
>>344635581
i wrote a walkbot and an autoshoot. i idle with 5 accounts at once using sandboxie in the same deathmatch game (avoiding getting kicked) at late hours to farm XP. once they reach level 21, I resell them for a tidy profit.
tragedy of the commons. i don't care about the developers and i want to smurf/cheat in multiplayer games
>>344619668
Its like stealing, except you pay and the other guy steals it.
>>344635480
>China version
>>344634912
Yeah, Borderlands is good. Doesn't reinvent the wheel but it's solid.
Borderlands 2 is the definition of meme game and shits on the first one hard, don't play it.
Fuck G2A
I only buy games from Steam that cost 60€ and ofc i get also the DLC pass, its only 20-30€.
If you think 80€ is to much for a game you need to find a job fucking losers.
>>344636024
I cant tell if this is ironic shitposting; bad bait or a genuine terrible opinion
good job I guess?
>>344635837
vpns are cheap and considering the volume of accounts i manage it saves money over time.
>>344636153
It's obviously ironic shitposting you moron.
>>344632149
>He's saying in cases of chargeback, the product key is revoked.
A lot of devs avoid doing this because it only pisses off people who bought your game (even if from g2a), not the people running the credit card fraud. They just get more credit cards.
>>344621452
i got it with my gpu for free and i was still let down
You guys are dumb.
Most of the keys get bought in Ukraine or Russia for 80% cheaper and resold to EU people for profit.
This is what I am also doing for 5 years now.
My friend living in Ukraine buys the keys from retail and we send the key later to the buyers and still make money because how fucking cheap the games are here.
>>344637565
you are dumb
Steam keys bought in Ukraine or Russia are region locked and cant even be giften on Steam
>>344620685
>option one
>buy stolen goods
>fund people stealing shit
>devs dont get shit
>chance your key gets tracked and your game taken off you and you lose out
>option two
>pirate it
>original is still there
>devs still dont get shit
>no key to track and take away your game
one is objectively better than the other, both illegal sure, but it's a no brainer which one is more damaging.
>>344637686
only the russian , most of ukraine keys are not locked.
>>344619668
No, since someone offered to sell you an item and you bought said item for the asked amount. This is a voluntary exchange.
>>344637686
>>344637848
also forgot to add we dont buy steam keys we buy from retail and take the cd key out of the box and usually most of the keys go to steam.
>>344637848
yes they are
i have a Steam friend from Ukraine and he cant buy and gift me a game
>>344637912
>This is a voluntary exchange.
But both you and him know the item was stolen.
>>344637807
I am buying the last 7 years keys from different CD key stores and in this 7 years and 400 games bought I had 0 games taken away from me.
>>344637936
you can easy bypass this if you contact steam support.
I have business accounts of my company in Japan and America and I explain them that I travel often because of work so they allowed me to buy from the EU , US and JP store.
Usually the US store is always more cheaper but sometimes the Japanese too.
>>344637989
Only companies that take games away is EA's Origin. I don't think Steam or Ubisoft pulls that shit... well Steam does if they get chargeback on your own store, they don't really care about third party stores since it's not them getting chargedback from those stores.
>>344638135
Well I have over 400 games from EA,blizzard to steam and my key was never removed so I am calling bullshit on your tinfoil hat theory about stolen cards.
If after 7 years and 400 games I never had problem , I dont think I will have any problems in the future.
>>344637984
He knows it is. I don't necessarily. Gamestop sold me a bunch of games for 99 fucking cents recently. Those prices are insane. Does a low price mean I am to infer the games were stolen? Am I not allowed to look for the lowest price on Amazon? If one guy is selling a game for 30 dollars while the rest of the sellers are going for 50 does that mean he stole the game?
>>344637989
>400 games bought I had 0 games taken away from me
This is why people buy tons of games with stolen CC and resell at places like G2A for mad cheap. There's no fucking consequences because nobody wants to punish the end user but they have no way to punish the one who brought shit with stolen CC.
yea it's CAPITALSM BABY money talks
oh? you want shit to be "fair"? go cry to your Daddy Government you fucking statist and don't you fucking tread on me
>>344638326
COMMUNISM PAANCHI!
>>344638293
> He knows it is. I don't necessarily.
That's why nobody takes action against buyers from G2A. It's not the end user fault.
Noticed that my Natural Selection 2 key had been removed from my steam. It turned out they were actually bought by stolen credit cards. It took over a year for it to disappear but i got a refund for the game. This was bought from Kinguin. Also russian keys can be activated via VPN, did that once too.
>>344638529
A refund of 3.99 ;_;
Why does Steam allow resale of their keys? Is this something they could stop? What if they didn't have keys per se but they just put the game in your inventory when your purchase transaction went through and that was it?
>>344619668
Its legal here in germany to buy from them, so i dont care what any companies like EA and Ubisoft think of it. I like it to buy my games cheap.
>>344638694
There are plenty of legitimate sites to purchase Steam keys off like Humble. It's the dev's choice and you can generate as many Steam keys as you like.
>>344638613
Actually nvm it was from G2P, but back in 2012. Paid 22,09$ for it.
Some of the sales are too good. Like what the fuck is this? I don't trust this.
>>344638772
GOG keys are always this cheap because no one cares about fucking GOG
>>344638847
>because no one cares about fucking GOG
this makes no sense to me
why would you intentionally spend more money for no reason
>>344619668
Is buying a table from an antique store immoral because the furniture company doesn't get to get paid AGAIN after someone already bought it from them fair and square?
Is buying from a used car place immoral because the auto maker doesn't get paid AGAIN after someone already bought it fair and square?
If I buy something at a discount at some charity sale, and put it on Ebay, or take it to the aforementioned pawn shop, is it immoral because the charity doesn't get paid AGAIN?
Trying to control reselling, that's what's immoral. You sell it, it's not yours anymore, even if all you're selling is a temporary license to view some pixels. You don't get to dictate what the person who buys it may do with it.
>>344638772
around polacks never relax
apparently one of those mongs is the founder of G2A
>>344619668
Yes, it's completely immoral not to buy games at full price of 60€ + Season Passes + DLCs of course in Early Access and pray that each Steam sale won't be as shit as the previous oneswhich they will.
Now, be a good goy and boycott G2A.
>>344638694
>What if they didn't have keys per se but they just put the game in your inventory when your purchase transaction went through and that was it?
Dude.. a fucking key is generated. They can generate as much keys as they want. It's not like it's a physical cd or something. Stop being stupid.
>>344638772
>>344638887
>Complaining about low prices
I didn't think /v/ could get any more insane. I was wrong.
>>344639021
I'm not complaining about low prices, I'm naturally suspicious about a $40 game being offered for $1.67 on a grey market website.
>>344638990
But they don't have to let you see the key. The purchase can be only good RIGHT AFTER you entered your cc or debit info and confirmed the purchase. You can't buy something and then sell it a week later to someone else.
>>344638694
I have no fucking idea
People say it's cause gabe want's to bring people to steam so they don't mind. You know buy a game there, you still register it on steam and in the future you see a game on steam you can't get on the key sites and buy it.
You won't catch sony or ms ever doing that shit
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/retailsupport.php
>>344638893
Is stealing a table from a warehouse and then selling it in a antique store a legit sale?
Is stealing someone's car and then reselling it a legit sale?
If I steal some shit from a charity sale and then put it on ebay, am I morally good?
Most G2A keys are mad cheap because it was brought with stolen credit cards and then resold at G2A. That's the only way to get them cheaper than legit places like Steam.
ever since some indie fucking shits sued G2A over muh sales developers score 10% of every transaction so don't you fucking dare to tell me it's "immoral"
they get their cut (which they shouldn't get in the first place)
>>344639064
How about a 20 dollar game being sold for 1 cent?
Should I buy;
>Resi 1/2/3 for original PS?
or
>Factorio?
>>344638893
Strange, seems like all of those suffer an impact to quality upon resale from their use. Your problem is that you perceive yourself as having some given right to re-sell a license to use software. If your software was free this wouldn't be a problem.
>>344639218
So you're completely fine with creating a commodities market based on reselling the works of other people, things you almost certainly had no hand in and are only deriving profit from because of underhanded business tactics that underserve the person who actually worked to create something?
>>344639363
they get 10% you piece of shit
10% more than they deserve considering that it's a resold item
>>344639081
>But they don't have to let you see the key. The purchase can be only good RIGHT AFTER you entered your cc or debit info and confirmed the purchase. You can't buy something and then sell it a week later to someone else.
That's exactly how Steam works with their own games.
However, they have no control over what third parties do with their own games. They may want to generate a few keys for the press. They may want to generate a few hundred keys to sell to some shady company or for places like Humble Indie Bundle. Maybe they want to generate some keys to sell in retail boxes. Or maybe to generate keys to sell to some other shady company.
Some stores lets you buy keys directly from them instead of steam store. That's what MangaGamer did... and they got fucked over royally by scammers who used stolen credit cards.
>>344639235
Those are price mistake loopholes. Has nothing to do with stolen keys since it's a legit sale. The company that made Steel Driver already got paid and the won't be any chargebacks.
Scalpers love that shit and will resell those games for higher price.
>>344619668
>Most G2A keys are mad cheap because it was brought with stolen credit cards and then resold at G2A.
>prove it
>you can't and neither can the faggot publishers trying to rule distribution with an iron fist
>>344639264
Rights are not given, granted, taken, reserved etc. They simply are. If you purchase a thing, you have the right to use that thing- including to barter, trade or sell it. Funny how (((media conglomerates))) love to use 1800s definitions of property when talking about piracy as though it were literal theft, but when it's in their favor, oh, now suddenly IP and physical property are different.
>>344639621
>prove it
Literally thinking people would resell for cheaper out of good will.
Nigga,take your 20 cents and go to leddit
Why is /v/ against keyseller sites more than pirating?
>>344639809
Keysellers can take the key back and remove it from your steam account.
Pirating is yours forever.
>>344639586
Pretty sure me buying MGS4 for 99 cents from Gamestop last year was not a price mistake loophole. A bunch of stuff was discounted likewise. Sometimes stores want to get rid of unsold shit to get it off their hands.
>>344639621
>>prove it
>>you can't and neither can the faggot publishers trying to rule distribution with an iron fist
The best proof I can give you is what happened to MangaGamer themselves. What are you going to do with a shitload of unused steam keys? Most likely sell them on places like G2A.
nichegamer.com/2016/02/15/manga-gamer-temporarily-halts-sales-due-to-fraudulent-credit-card-transactions/
There isn't any real hardcore evidence that any particular key on G2A is stolen until it gets removed from your Steam Library, however you can pretty much deduce it with logic and reasoning if:
1. nowhere else sells the keys for that cheap
2. the seller is selling high volumes of it.
Think about it logically and it should be easy to tell if they selling stolen keys. If you still decide to buy it... enjoy your stolen keys until Steam removes it from your library.
>>344639936
I can play online using keys I bought from the seller. I've been using g2a for a while, and I've never had a key removed from my account.
>>344640045
It's a risk basically. They can take it back but some don't or sometimes the key is legit.
Worth it at this price?
>>344639809
>>344639987
>Nowhere else sells the keys for that cheap
Regional pricing, past sales or bundles. You can get cheap humble monthly keys for example.
>The seller is selling high volumes of it.
Thats the only way to generate profit.
>>344640170
ZOMG that price is so low you're using a stolen key bro, that's not cool!
>>344639938
Nobody is talking about old as fuck games like MGS4. You can see brand new games on G2A sell for like 15-20 dollars cheaper than all legit stores and it would be impossible because the source of the keys aren't even selling it for that cheap themselves. Hence no legit store will see it cheaper than G2A.
You got MGS4 for 99 cent because it's old as fuck and Gamestop needs to make inventory room. Shit was pretty much a ps3 launch title.
>>344640236
Who?
I don't see the fucking problem.
It's like saying "ebay shouldn't exist, because people may buy things with stolen cc"
what's the fucking point
fuck you
>>344640320
>You can see brand new games on G2A sell for like 15-20 dollars cheaper than all legit stores
Ironically I wouldn't buy them at that price that's supposedly too low since it'd still be 40 dollars which 99% of games aren't worth now.
>>344640236
this fails to account for the real sales made through those sites
>>344640170
Why don't you just buy it on steam at full price. That way you get to support the devs you love and play the game as a nice honest person.
>>344640287
> Regional pricing
With regional locked? Nope. Try again.
> past sales or bundles
Even on brand new game that just came out? Nope. G2A still cheaper then what the devs are even selling their games for to legit stores for new releases.
There is plenty of reason why the game keys are cheaper.
The biggest one is this : the seller is less of a jew and makes less money on each key sold, the price goes down a lot.
>>344640391
Hell if I know but he explains it pretty clearly. Piracy is economically neutral, while key reselling can harm the company.
>>344640446
It's difficult for a random person just price surfing to always know which keys are stolen and which are not just by inference. Basically all you can do is just blacklist the entire site for doing business like that or just buy it and don't care.
>>344640301
>>344640470
It's GMG.
The keys are supplied from Bethesda.
Should I get it?
>>344640553
I wouldn't since I don't like DOOM games. But if you like DOOM and NEED DOOM in your life now I guess. But you know it'll be cheap as fuck down the line if you can wait
>>344619668
Who gives a shit. Fuck everyone in the gaming industry
>>344640537
piracy is unavailable nowadays, why is it even discussed anymore is beyond me
seems to me like you don't know the state of the scene
>>344640491
>The biggest one is this : the seller is less of a jew and makes less money on each key sold, the price goes down a lot.
So what's your excuse when Steam removes a game from your library?
>>344640628
NEWSPAPERS?
>>344640665
>piracy is unavailable nowadays
Nigga, you a fucking retard.
You can literally pay like one dollar more and they give you new key if yours gets revoked. It's fucking non risk.
>>344640665
Maybe I just don't even like triple A turds that'd use Denuvo or artsy fartsy Limbo clones that'd use it too.
>>344640491
Pretty much
If you buy off gmg and gamesplanet, the devs get their usual cut, but those sites don't get the same profits valve does. They might even get like a buck per copy sold but having so many sales might net them a pretty penny for the 1-5 guys running it. Especially since there's no shipping and everything is automated.
>>344640675
never happened to me so i can't make an excuse for something imaginary
don't be retarded and check the seller, all the informations are available
then again i wouldnt expect a retard buying games for 60 dollaritos to do this
>>344640675
Maybe if you bought from G2A marketplace from someone that chargebacked
Even then they usually send you a new one
Buying from greenmangaming and gamesplanet though means those sites buy keys and sell them so there's literally next to no chance of it happening and if it does, they will send you another.
>>344640780
>pay for game
>get scammed and game taken away
>pay again for scam
>get scammed and game taken away
>pay again for scam
>get scammed and game taken away
>pay again for scam
>get scammed and game taken away
>pay again for scam
Yes, let's all pay again for the game after it gets revoked!! It's the best plan ever.
>>344641010
Why not, that's how consoles work.
>pay for PS4
>get scammed and new games now run at 18 fps due to PS4neo coming out
>pay again for PS4neo
>get scammed and new games now run at 18 fps due to PS4neo2 coming out
>pay again for PS4neo2
>get scammed and new games now run at 18 fps due to PS4neoULTRA coming out
>pay again for PS4neoULTRA
PS: I'm a consolefag. Intel integrated GPU mofooakkka
There's only one thing I bought from G2A and that's a Fallout 4 Season Pass.
Todd can survive.
>>344641010
No, it doesn't work like that anon. Please don't participate in discussion if you don't know what are you talking about.
You pay small amount when buying the game key that guarantees that they give you another key if yours doesn't work. This works infinitely.
STOP USING G2A AND USE KINGUIN OR INSTANT GAMING OR LITERALLY ANY OTHER KEYSITE
>>344641271
But do they have LOW LOW PRICES?
>>344641271
Why not just use Steam? You know, Steam, where you know the key is legit? Oh right because PC gaymoors are tightwads and can't be assed to pay full price for anything but their GPUs
>>344619668
https://oddshot.tv/shot/nl_Kripp/UzoR5f3dmggyp69DAiVI69Ud
>>344619668
STOP USING KEY SITE YOU'RE HURTING SMALL DEVS YOU GOD DAMN MAN CHILDREN
>>344641386
Steam has sales. Consoles have sales. You are retarded
>>344641319
yes, sometimes its cheaper even
>>344641253
>You pay small amount when buying the game key that guarantees that they give you another key if yours doesn't work. This works infinitely.
>he thinks shield "protects" him
kek good goy!
http://imgur.com/a/7f1ar
>>344641401
Literally who?
>>344641401
>it's a Kripp is selling out episode
>>344641447
Not as low as these key sites or else /v/ wouldn't be using them
>>344641516
Only once has my key didn't work and I immediately got another one. I'm sorry they fucked you over but it obviously happens very rarely.
>>344641527
The most popular streamer on Twitch?
>>344641386
Greenmangaming keys are legit
So are gamesplanet keys
These guy negotiate with devs and buy keys directly off them
Think is they don't take a huge cut like steam does
https://support.ubi.com/en-US/Faqs/000022581/Approved-Retail-Vendor-List
Plenty of other devs have the approved vendor lists as well. They get about the same profit as with steam and gmg and gamesplanet take far less than valve would
I honestly dont give a fuck if this completely destoys pc gaming (it won't). Games are changing and i don't like where its going. I'm not the target demographic anymore so it can all burn down. Might as well enjoy the few games that are still fun for cheap.
>>344641789
Alrighty, as long as you know they're legit
>>344641853
>>344619668
they're pretty shady.
they never have the games i want for good prices.
i'll stick to buying them from legit keysites especially since it's pretty convenient with Enhanced Steam
>>344641751
Peeeeeeeewdeepie?
>>344641751
>Twitch
I bet you use Steam too
Remember when Steam had low prices?
If this web sight is so bad how come no one is suing them?
Explain.
>>344642143
That's no Steam's fault, that's Activision for you.
>>344642210
Because they aren't doing anything illegal. It is the scammers that do shady shit, not the site itself.
I've used G2A a few times, logged onto my paypal account one day and found out that some Indonesian dude had bought fifa coins for 200 bucks using my account, contacted paypal and got all my money back but I don't think I'll be using it again.
Be careful with that shit, it's shady as fuck.
>>344621983
this. only time buying from G2A makes sense.
>>344642210
Welcum to my web sight
I remember that meme, mister
>>344619668
Yes, its better for everyone if you pirate it. Some dev wrote a good article about this
>>344642329
did you have money deposited in the pp account? I only use it for transactions, never actually store cash there
>>344642329
How the fuck would they access your paypal ?
Are you using the same login and password for multiple sites ? you can't be this retarded ?
>>344642329
there's also their G2A shield which provides something that like every resell site has for free.
not to mention it has barely helped any people, is a monthly subscription and insanely annoying to cancel.
it's shady as fuck
I use key sites because I'm not paying fucking $110 for a video game
What's /v/'s opinion on cdkeys?
>>344642905
Ubisoft and EA have their own services, bra