>MM3Dfags will defend this
>>344547584
>Tell me about the thread! Was shitposting part of your plan??
>>344547584
All I'm seeing is the game is shit
>>344547820
>He thinks /ss/ is shit
kys
>>344547934
Man i love me some /ss/, but this game is garbage
>>344548029
Can you atleast praise the effort that went into the 3-day system and how NPC's work, and the effort put into actually trying to make the game look good in various areas?
>>344548159
i was talking about the image for the most part. but yeah it is cool how that works and stuff but i think it kinda falls flat.
>>344548234
I felt the transformation masks added a lot to the game with their entirely different movesets and such, making up for any fears/flaws I had noticed early on in the game.
Goron Link especially made exploring the world much more fun with his speed.
Why do you think it falls flat, anon? Too little dungeons?
>>344547584
How many times are you going to post this thread anon? This is like the 3rd or 4th time I've seen it up with this same image. I have to applaud your dedication to bait all these people though.
>>344548537
The 2nd.
It's not bait tho, it's the truth.
N64 > PC > 3DS
>>344548598
>>344548598
Eh, either way props to you. Only ever played the 64 version, so I wouldn't know what makes it's subsequent re-releases shit.
>>344548794
>>344548743
I thought all the points I made were mostly reflected in the images up there
Like the low resolution and the jpeg textures, I mean just look at this shit
>>344547584
But the 3DS has higher resolution than the n64
It's not really fair to claim that emulation has to be high resolution, revealing all the flaws. There ARE pixel accurate N64 plugins which, even on an LCD, replicate the exact render output of an N64. It just sucks that it's so performance intensive right now and no CPU on the market can effectively play games with it.
Eventually though, eventually, we'll be able to emulate N64 exactly like we hooked it up to our PC with a TV-In card. Can't wait.
Why do you care so much? I played MM when it first came out and played MM3D the night it launched. I loved the game both times. I guess I'll never understand since I'm not autistic.
>>344549053
Higher internal resolution, lower display resolution.
>>344547584
>N64 geometry and textures in HD
Only the death will be free from people who think this looks good
N64
-20 FPS
3DS
-30 FPS
I think we can see who the winner is.
MM3D has less glitches and OBJECTIVELY plays better than the N64 version of the game.
>>344547584
>+Original
>+Way it was intended
>+INTENDED TONE
Are you fucking serious. MM is already bright as hell even during the night.
>>344549098
>I played MM64 first and can't empathize with people who empathize with those who will play the inferior version first.
An inability to empathize with others is a sure-sign of autism m8. Don't second-guess yourself.
>>344549206
MM3D has even more glitches than the original because it's based off an older version of MM, and the n64 runs at 24FPS. Only a 6 frame difference.
Even so, removing atmosphere for the sake of small gameplay differences isn't worth it overall especially when MM is considered a pioneer for atmospheric games.
>>344549215
Now post the MM3D version
>>344549215
>Bright at night
>In a well-lit place
>Where the stars are completely shining down on the open area
wew now post the 3d version
>>344548959
But I mean it's a 3DS my dude. I can't imagine it looking that great in the first place. I don't see why you need to post it multiple times. I'd have thought the first thread with everyone arguing over which is better would have sufficed. Even if it is true, at this point you are somewhat baiting people into an argument over it. Even if you don't think you are. But hey it's your life mane.
>>344547584
The time skip feature is a pretty good reason to prefer the 3DS one over the original. The graphics are overall prettier.
>>344549591
1) I think exposing more people who've never played MM to play the original is a decent enough cause
2) It's /v/ arguments and funposting is fun and the only way to have a thread
3) Why is it being on a 3DS an acceptable excuse for it being shit?? There's no reason we couldn't have gotten a WiiU/NX remake of MM instead of MM3D because MM is known for having better graphics than OoT anyway.
>>344549234
There's no empathizing involved since neither version is inferior to the other. One is the classic original, one is shiny and new. It comes down to personal preference, one is not objectively better than the other.
>>344549452
Run Majora's Mask or Ocarina of Time in Project 64 right now and look at the framelimit, it's 20 FPS on both of them. Try harder retard.
>>344547584
On the writing, I found the added dialogue to be kind of jarring. The new lines for the happy mask salesman and the bombers felt kind of out of place.
>>344549719
Timeskip was in the original dumbass.
Unless you mean timeskip to a certain hour, then how will you be able to appreciate the way that NPC's work?
>>344549830
That image literally has objective reasons why the N64 version is inferior in every way except writing. Plus the gameplay changes are ass.
6 FPS is too minute of an improvement to be considered one.
>>344549215
>Hurr durr how bright it is means atmosphere
>>344549897
Oh, you're right.
My bad.
I can definitely see the difference, but I see think the N64 version looks way better overall. I'd definitely sacrifice FPS for artstyle as long as it's consistent.
>>344549802
>1) I think exposing more people who've never played MM to play the original is a decent enough cause
I mean yeah people should always play the originals if they can.
>2) It's /v/ arguments and funposting is fun and the only way to have a thread
Fair enough. You got me on that one. Rarely see threads on just discussion.
>3) Why is it being on a 3DS an acceptable excuse for it being shit?? There's no reason we couldn't have gotten a WiiU/NX remake of MM instead of MM3D because MM is known for having better graphics than OoT anyway.
I mean I'm not disagreeing with you there. Handheld versions usually look worse than their console counterparts.Sure MM3DS may be shinier in some places, but I don't it looks that great. I'd have much rather seen it remade on the WiiU/NX, but this is Nintendo and as much as I love them and gew up with them, they don't really do anything that makes sense. But that's just my opinion on the subject.
>>344550347
>I mean yeah people should always play the originals if they can.
The way I think of it is MM3D is someone spoiling the entire game for you, and then you play MM64 and you don't really get anything out of it because you already know what's gonna happen. You're gonna end up liking MM3D better (or how you felt when your friend explained the entire thing to you) because that's when you first experienced everything. It's pretty much the reason people advocate MM3D in the first place.
It's more about playing MM64 for your first playthrough, MM3D is acceptable as a second playthrough only.
You've got to be fucking kidding me if you think the originals are better than the remakes.
Contrarian /v/ never ceases to amaze me.
>>344550735
Some remakes are better, some remakes are worse.
Are you saying this is better than the original?
>>344550853
Look at the OP, anon :).
Are we talking about Silent Hill here?
Did I say "remakes in general" or did I say "the remakes"?
>>344550979
There's only one Majora's Mask remake, so when you said the remakes, I assume you meant more than one.
And if there's more than one remake, but not of majora's mask, you must be referring to all remakes
>>344549940
The time skip didn't work the same you orangutan. It's much more fleshed out and makes actual sense in the remake.
>MUH ATMOSPHERE
>>344551906
The time skip lets you select a specific time to warp to in the remake.
The time skip in the original lets you warp to the next night/day.
In the remake, you can skip to any time, allowing you to never acknowledge the way the NPC's work, thus making it a worse experience overall.
In the original, you had to be patient and disciplined, unlike a spoiled child.
>>344552000
And? MM is known for atmosphere and story, not gameplay. Nobody plays a zelda game for only 4 dungeons. When you play MM3D, you're literally just playin a shit zelda game.
>>344547584
So you can pirate 3ds games now, right?
>>344548598
>It's not bait tho, it's the truth.
everyone already knows it and either complained about it before or doesn't give a shit
bitching about it now is pretty much just baiting for (You)s.
>>344549078
You can't upscale information that was never there to begin with. I don't get why people don't understand this concept
>>344552483
Pretty sure you can hack the 3ds. I see threads on it daily. From what I gather it's not too hard if you can follow instructions.
>>344549926
What added dialogue?
>>344547584
So we're going to be doing this every day now right? same collection of images and everything? did you run out of shitposting topics for BoTW or something?
>>344553163
Happy mask salesman has some added dialogue because he gives you the Bomber's notebook in the 3DS version.
Bombers have a bunch of new dialogue because they tell you where to find quests in the 3DS version.
>>344547584
>removed the pro from the 3DS version that was a stable 30fps
>>344553474
>30fps
>A pro
>>344553474
10fps is far more cinematic anon so of course solid 30 isn't a pro.
>>344553619
It's better than the 20fps that majora's mask originally ran in
>>344553625
There is literally no difference between 20 and 30 fps.
None
>>344553747
Just like no difference between 30 and 60.
>>344553840
30 and 60 is 30 entire frames.
10 frames is barely anything, because you never notice when it's 50 and 60.
>>344553840
now you're getting it
>>344553931
>because you never notice when it's 50 and 60
Yes I do.
And 30 to 20 is even more noticeable.
>>344554073
ok anon
which is which: one is 20fps, the other is 30.
>>344554461
not that anon but down seems smoother
>>344554461
top should be 30 bottom should be 20
>>344554668
Correct.Now tell me why you would choose down over up if up had superior graphics, lighting, tone, atmosphere, and writing?
>>344554792
Wrong.
>>344549102
No, the N64 rendered and displayed at 320x240
The 3DS rendered and displayed at 400x240 (800x240 for 3D mode)
>>344553619
>stable fps
>not a pro
The N64 version had frame drops
>>344554895
>Now tell me why you would choose down over up if up had superior graphics, lighting, tone, atmosphere, and writing?
Because down has all of that plus running smoother.
>>344555324
Okay, I get it, we had this thread yesterday and proved N64 version is superior to 3DS version, so you're just shitposting because this thread's a waste of time Gotcha.
>>344555271
Prove it.
>>344555445
>Okay, I get it, we had this thread yesterday and proved N64 version is superior to 3DS version
You fucking liar. I was in that thread and nothing was proved, then when nothing was agreed on, the thread just entered extreme shitposting because people dared to not instantly back the N64 version. Just like this thread.
>>344555610
If you believe that the 3DS version has Superior Graphics/Lighting/Tone/Atmosphere/Writing you don't exist, period. That or your opinion is so uncredible, so incorrect, and so philistine that it could have been spoken from a small farm animal--and I don't want to discuss anything with a real pig.
>>344555768
>he doesn't agree with me
>so I'll blog post my rage at him
Yup. Just like last time.
>>344555870
You don't agree with reality.
>>344555445
https://youtu.be/NHL8tSyQnts?t=299
Mute the fags talking
>>344555985
Not yours no. It's absured to actually make thread after thread screaming at how the 3DS did nothing right, despite the fact that the remakes have been praised, by many on /v/ even, for a number of things. The point you miss however is most don't see the 3DS version as a replacement, just an option and both version are highly enjoyable, and recommended.
You're just a nostalgia ridden shitposter, simple as.
>>344556051
Looks like the problem is them running an emulator on the shit PC more than anything else. That has never happened ingame on an N64.
>>344556230
>The remake has been praised
>for literally no reason outside of 10 frame difference.
ok
Newsflash: Nobody but nintenyearold fanboys has played MM3D.
>>344554461
Is this a trick question because going at this frame-by-frame, neither one of them moves at the full 30 fps?
>>344547584
I fucking hate what the DS games did to the lighting. The biggest mistake is probably the Ganon fight in OoT where the entire battlefield is lit up. They're probably still fine games but they really fucked up with updating the lighting.
Of course, nobody mentions the biggest flaw of the remake.
>>344557164
Because it's not a flaw, the original looked like a retard trying to do math.
>>344557282
Speak for yourself man. The original moon looked either sad or angry, it wasn't eclipsed by a huge fucking kike nose
Don't fall for this guy's trolling.
Pros of the 3DS version:
- The soundtrack is arguably the best Nintendo has ever put out, right up there with OoT3D's re-scored soundtrack. It's like ear sex.
- The graphics are beautiful. The darker graphics actually suits the smaller screen very well. As smart anons have mentioned, the reason that OoT3D/MM3D are lighter is a necessity because handhelds being backlit isn't the same as a TV. They're made so that you can see them even in poor lighting.
- They made the right changes in all the places they should have; made the kid's tag game harder, Magic bean seller's exit now takes you to the plant outside the palace so you don't have to get caught and waste time, and you meet the owl at the first statue in the swamp instead of the second, so you can use warp right away!
- Upped the ante on swimming controls. Zora Link has arguably the best swim controls of any game now, featuring: rising, sinking (fast), floating in place, and leisurely swim. The boosting does use magic, but you can still use it even when you run out.
- The time system has been improved because it gives you a sense of urgency the original didn't have, that it's not over until the end, and you have to get by from owl to owl. There's no safe haven restart like the original, but you can still play the game that way if you want because the owl statue is conveniently right behind Clock Tower, but this time they work. So you have both worlds.
- The graphics and 30 FPS. Normally I wouldn't list this as a pro because I'm not a graphics whore, but let's face it, the original was aging. This brings new life into the game and details the original didn't have.
- Cows have noserings like they're supposed to.
Etc.
Seriously, this is shit.
>>344557639
Fuck off cody.
>>344557639
> graphics are beautiful
> lower resolution than 64
Pick one. Lighting also washes everything out
>>344557639
How can the soundtrack be sex when 3ds can't handle lossless audio
>>344557925
>>344558082
>Falling for the bait
>>344547584
>there isn't even a lightsource in that room
How about you learn about gamedev before you throw your garbage opinions around
The 3DS is shit, this isn't news.
MM3D's textures look a LOT better than the original, and even better than most hi-res texture packs. Plus I love all the little details they added in.. Unrealistic lighting was absolutely necessary because fuck having low visibility issues on a tiny handheld screen. The original game's lighting only works on a big screen, MM3D's lighting works best for the system it is on.
But I agree with the rest. The textures/details are the only area where MM3D improves. It doesn't make up for the gimped swimming and all the other terrible design decisions. It's only worth playing through if you pirate it.
>>344558348
Give me one good reason why a room with no candles/lightsource/anything, at night, during a somber scene where two lovers are going to die in an hour (a minute real time), is as bright as a room with a lamp on.
>>344557925
>> lower resolution than 64
What happened between OoT 3D and MM 3D?
The only issue I remember people having with OoT 3D was the lighting in the Ganon fight. How come MM 3D has so many more weird and dare I say, flawed changes?
>>344558609
I answered that question here >>344558551
>>344558551
>It's only worth playing through if you pirate it.
Well, the same can be said about the original game.
>>344549206
MM3D has this strange new glitch in it and I'm surprised nobody caught it in playtesting.
When you're fighting a boss, it proceeds like normal but then this giant eyeball balloon starts inflating out of them. Has anyone else experienced this glitch?
>>344558729
>fuck having low visibility issues on a tiny handheld screen
How does that answer my question at all? That's just you being a blind nigga playing a depressing game outside in public.
>>344557925
>lighting also washed everything out
So does color. MM runs at a higher resolution than the N64 version and is a lot more detailed. I don't know what you're talking about "washed out."
>>344558873
>There are people who think the middle and right are better than the original.
>Ignoring Link's Awakening DX
>>344558986
That's the point, that LADX washes out the color.
Anyway, stop giving this thread replies and feeding OP's hunger for attention.
>>344559123
I mean detail whatever. It was fitting for the game to be a dream, because it was on a monochrome platform. They took this out with DX.
Sageh.
>>344559123
>LADX washes out the color
It literally looks dark you retard.
>>344558864
Look at the pic in that post, which further demonstrates my point about why the unrealistic lighting was necessary. You wouldn't have been able to see all the finer details on that mummy teady bear or the fish if the game had the N64's lighting and the 3DS's resolution.
pic related is another example. those gibdos have a lot of extra detail that you wouldn't have noticed if it had the N64's lighting.
>>344559468
All you're proving to me was the MM remake shouldn't have been like 3DS. Reconfirming my belief that the 3DS remake was a mistake.
>>344559468
this. All the best lighting in movies and games has been unrealistic, it's about mood and showing off shit and guiding the player.
>>344558731
t. 3rd worlder
>>344559249
>posts pic that has no similarity to do with the comparison above
Who's the retard?
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>>344559468
Dat eye. I wonder what Nintendo meant by this.
>>344560018
>I wonder what Nintendo meant by this.
>I can't interpret anything myself
MM3Dfags everyone
>>344549215
Yeah, let's see the 3D version, you piece of shit
>ITT: Nostalgiafags who haven't played a N64 version of a game in years
>>344561005
>I ignore objective points and hate old things because I'm a trendy hipster
k
>>344551153
I get you're acting like a retard to bait people, but xe's obviously talking about OoT3D as well because how everyone screams "MUH ATMOSPHERE"
>>344561138
>I prefer the version with lower fps, worse textures, more bugs, and less content because muh lighting
k
>>344561360
Eyeball balloons aren't more content
>>344547584
Anju's head is so fucking long in the N64 version goddamn. Thank fuck the 3DS version fixed that.
>>344561360
>Lower FPS
So little it's insignifigant.
>Worse textures.
Better textures, that compliment also the tone.
>More bugs
Objectively incorrect, 3DS version has more bugs.
>Less content
Content added in 3DS version is so insignificant it doesn't make up for more flaws.
>I prefer the version with worse lighting, worse dialogue, worse textures, no attention to detail, worse tone, worse resolution, worse everything, because I like nintendo
k
>>344561480
Fishing holes.
3DS is literally a fangame made by different people than the original.
Why would you play a fanfiction?
>>344561545
>he thinks 64 has better textures
Take off the rose tinted glasses you contrarian fedora tipper. I sometimes forget how vehemently contrarian /v/ insists to be to the point where they warp reality.
How convenient that the post that shows the vast improvement in textures with 3DS is ignored by you faggots >>344553218
>>344547584
>take home console game
>dumb it down for handhelds
>people love it
lmao literally ok when nintendo does it, meanwhile final fantasy 7 is getting the most bombastic remake ever made, good job nintendfags keep enjoying the liquid shit neo nintendo throws at you
>>344561545
>b-b-but it's insignificant!
Honestly I've been giving OOT and MM a miss because the n64 versions and every n64 game looks like absolute dog vomit. It looks fucking disgusting
>>344549452
I'd take a 10fps hit every day compared to the "lmao shoot the eyeball" boss mechanic thanks
>>344554461
the one on top clearly lags behind the one down, so it must run a 20fps
>>344556051
I have personally finished Majora's Mask on project 64 1.6 and that never happened to me, they are most certainly playing on a fucking laptop.
>>344557164
AAHAHAH holy shit my sides nintendo thinks that's "scary"? AHAHAHAHAH
>take most beloved game of all time
>"remake" it on a shitty handheld instead of making an actual fucking remake like people wished for and like square enix is doing for ff7
>retards lap it up and fucking defend it with their teeth and claws so they have an excuse when they are asked what they play they shitty kid handheld with
bravo nintendo, fucking bravo, we could've had this
>Inb4 some fucking retard comes out of the woodwork spouting shit about production costs
THEY HAVE FUCKING MILLIONS IN THEIR BANK SITTING THERE NOT BEING USED STILL FROM THE WII SUCCESS, OOT AND MAJORA DESERVED A GOOD TREATMENT, NOT A FUCKING BUTCHERING, YES I MAD
>>344561886
>another post that disproves the texture claim is ignored
like pottery
>>344563056
it didn't deserve a (you)
shitposts that low-effort don't get (you)'s
>>344563243
>facts proven through images is shitposting
Nostalgiafags at their finest
>>344562975
I definitely don't want anything like what Square Enix is doing for Final Fantasy VII for Majora's Mask. That would be even worse than what we did get.
>>344558873
The middle and right of this would look so much better if not for that fucking abomination of a link.
