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Bayonetta 2 is inferior to Bayonetta 1.
Discuss.
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>inb4 opinions
Both are shit though
>>344517358
>>344517404
but it's a wii u exclusive so it's better!
>>344517515
Form a real opinion instead of posting shitty memes.
>>344517567
that's more a sony thing
>>344517358
Bayonetta 2 is more polished, has a more colorful world and, most importantly, doesn't have insta-death QTEs. That alone makes it better than 1.
In my opinion, of course, I'm sure people who simply don't want to learn how to play differently like >>344517404 will find it worse.
I also like the new weapons more.
They both are fantastic though, so depending on what you find most annoying of the downsides of either, you may prefer one of the other. Still, they are pretty much around the same level of quality.
as for the rest of the thread:
>nintendrone
>sonypony
>port when
>never ever
>>344517969
>I'm sure people who simply don't want to learn how to play differently like
>The woman who wrote the book on how to play Bayonetta 1 AND 2 advanced
Do you even know what you are talking about?
>>344518140
yes, she's a whiny crybaby
>>344517358
Yes, but both are fantastic.
>>344518314
>Removing mechanics from the game
>Giving you less options
>Only new thing is an I win button that is broken good and makes it so there is no point to use your magic for anything else
>Unless you're making combo videos.
Are any of these things wrong?
Bayo 2 is objectively better than 1. Not that 1 is bad by any means.
Bayo 2 is better than every game to come out last gen + this gen.
>>344517404
Literally the most sour grapes argument I've ever seen in my life
They made Bayo a coalburning pedophile
/thread
>>344518420
Why is it objectively better
>>344518447
>sour grapes
Do you even know what this phrase means? There's tons of vids of her playing Bayonetta 2.
>>344517404
>that 2 hour podcast where they constantly bash the game
>>344518623
it's everything Bayo 1 was, just amplified to be more ridiculous and over-the-top. Combat is also faster and more fluid due to the improved attack animations.
>HURR LOOK AT ME POST CONTROVERSIAL OPINION
fine, I'm gonna do it to
It's quite hilarious how fuckhead fans of action games think "deep combat" is the only thing that matters, because the actual level design, boss encounters, enemy AI,etc don't fucking matter aslong you can juggle some braindead enemy in the air longer right?
Ninja Gaiden > DMC shit.
>>344518753
Sure. I don't like that much either. Not enough to replay it more than once. But to call it sour grapes when she can have the game is retarded.
>>344518825
It is generally more over the top. But don't give me that shit with fluid, fast combat. Every enemy that isn't cherub level fodder gets an insta block/dodge that knocks both you and the enemy away if you're not hitting them in Witch time.
And all Witch time lasts 2 seconds no matter what. Unless you use a bracelet that you have to beat the game at least once to get.
>>344518927
You're in every thread. When do you sleep.
>>344519041
>You're in every thread.
No, but it's nice to know there is atleast one other person out there who also doesn't have shit taste.
>>344518623
>Why is it objectively better
no stupidly unfair QTEs should be enough of a reason, they were the worst thing about Bayo 1
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>>344519125
That's one thing, and it doesn't take up most of your time. Fighting enemies takes up most of your time.
>>344519089
What would you call these things then? In reference to enemy AI?
OP eats dicks
don't discuss, just report
>>344518927
>story
>music
>gameplay
>bosses
>enemies
Bayo 1 is better at all of those, what else does 2 have?
>>344519125
I never failed a single qte
You sound like you are just bad, and need a crutch like UC
>>344519283
>Bayo 1 is better at all of those,
top kek
Whatever OP you samefagging loser.
Remove the samefagging sonygger
i agree bayonetta 2 had better gameplay for the most part but that was far offset by the first games better weapons
also short haired bayo is stupid
both great games though
>>344519283
why can't i hold all these incorrect opinions
>>344519226
>Reporting video games
>>344519356
See
>>344517925
>>344519215
>guys look at me cherry pick the one enemy in the game that is aggressive as every single enemy in ninja gaiden, we hardcore now
Just buy a wii u you baby
>>344519215
>it doesn't take up most of your time
it literally ruined your entire run at every level, forcing you to do it again to get a good score. So yes, it did make up for most of your time.
>>344517358
>buy bayonetta 2 for wii u
>never played bayonetta 1
>love bayonneta 2, think the bayonetta from bayonetta 1 looks weird as fuck
>finish bayonetta 2, want more
>play bayonetta 1
>realize how watered down bayonetta 2 is
>realize how good original bayonetta looks
>realize that bayonetta 1 HD with less quicktime events and fairer difficulty would be way better than bayonetta 2
you fucked it up, nintendo. you don't bundle your god-tier exclusive with the better game from six years ago.
Bayo 2 looks better, and has much smoother gameplay. On the other hand, it's much easier, has mostly forgettable bosses and has the more annoying child side character.
>>344519402
i actually liked the weapons in 2 more. the scythe, hammer, and chainchomp are 2 gdlk
>>344519512
child side character is shit, story is fantastical bullshit hard to relate to as compared to going around a city and fighting some freaky dude from a conspiracy, no long motorcycle level, shittier bayonetta, etc
I agree, it's a fun game but it doesn't have the same level of difficulty
>>344519283
>Story
they are on par
>Music
it's great in both, but it's better in 1, yes
>Gameplay
I'll give you that even though I think it's pretty much the same, while also removing those fucking QTEs
>bosses
debatable, the Lumen Sage is my favourite fight of both games
>enemies
nah, Bayo 2 has more enemies and more varied
I'd say they are pretty much on par.
>>344517358
>Discuss
Can't do. No one played Bayonetta 2.
Bayo 1 was a mediocre game, the QTEs and Minigames alone made it worse than God of War.
>>344519512
>Mostly forgettable bosses
>Implying 1's were memorable in any way
I have not played Bayo 2 but fuck, the bosses in 1 are the worst part about the game and you're telling me 2's are even worse?
>>344519447
It's pretty hard to the fail the QTE's as long as you pay attention. It's also easy to tell when they're going to happen.
If the the game is still being rendered real time, be prepared. If it switches to that shitty sepia filter 720p stuff you're safe.
>>344519512
The smoother gameplay is ruined by forced Witchtime to defeat most enemies and bullshit attacks when enemies enrage.
>>344517358
They are on par.
Bayo 1 has great challenge but it also has shit game over QTEs and shitty driving sections.
Bayo 2 is an easier game but it is also more polished, with less bullshit and online play.
Basically, they both have pro and cons that outweight eachother. And as a result, they are easily equally good.
>forced 8 minute long minigame before Jeane boss fight
>good game
>>344519283
>I never failed a single qte
I don't believe you. They are quite simply impossible to predict the first time you play no matter how good you are and even after you know they are coming they are stupidly unfair.
>>344519540
im mostly just mad theres no shotgun
the scythe was nice but i dident like the way you always went back to the same pose to fire it everything else in the game you can fire from all sorts of positions and angles mid combo
the scythe you just go back to a standing position and fire it off
>>344519712
Dude, I've got a pretty low skill level at vidya and I don't remember having any trouble with any of the QTE's. Are you not sure you're not just shit?
>>344519402
eh, I personally like some weapons of both games,for example I miss Alraune when I replay 1 and miss the Nunchucks when playing 2.
Short hair > Long hair tho
>>344519712
>>344519695
If the game is still being rendered real time you should expect one. This is a pattern you should be able to pick up on after the first two.
And Bayo 2 has shitting driving sections. How does everyone forget this. You ride a horse instead of a motor cycle, and you fly on a plane instead of a rocket. You ride the plane twice mind you. While in Bayo you only ride the rocket once.
>>344519849
>You ride the plane twice mind you. While in Bayo you only ride the rocket once
The plane is much better than the rocket though, the same way the Horse is worse than the motorcycle.
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>>344519849
Like did everyone forget this section that happens twice in the game along with the horse? Then there's also the parts where Bayonetta is just flying around and all you can do is either press dodge or attack + forward. That happens a shit ton.
>>344517925
I bet that Wii U collects more dust than your raggy ass carpet
i loved the chainchomp weapon in 2 cuz that weapon is actually alive and will go out and attack enemies/extend your combo while your charging weapons and stuff. so good
>>344519849
the horse section is kinda meh, but the plane/Arwing section is great imo
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>>344520046
In what way are they better.
>>344519849
The difference is, in Bayo 1 driving controls are shit. While in Bayo 2 they are good.
Who tought that making the camera roteate when you dodge on a rocket was a good idea? None of that shit is on 2.
>>344519703
the big problem was that the vechile sections were often the first half of a level instead of being separate levels so you have to fight through them to get to the main body of the level for replays
also the plane level in general was pretty shit it dident gain anything from having 2 people fighting on the wings and the checkpointing was horrible
>>344520160
they control better and are more fun?
same as the motorcycle
>minor nitpick: the thread
Both are good.
>>344518825
It's not everything Bayonetta 1 was, though. I don't even have any fucking nostalgia. I never played Bayonetta 1, I just recognized it from a nerfnow comic I read when I was... 12? 13? I bought Bayo 2, then played Bayo 1.
Bayonetta 2 is generally more improved as a game but the storyline and settings are just forgettable. It reuses most of the human characters from Bayo 1. It's a detached Heaven and Hell plotline instead of an interesting romp through the human world like in Bayo 1. The Heaven and Hell levels aren't even super interesting because instead of fantasy kingdoms you just get... flying through the sky... and walking around on scorched earth. The only minigames are surfing on water instead of Bayo 1's motorcycle driving. And new Bayo looks worse than original Bayo.
>>344520064
i do agree the flying sections should have been more open ranging it was the perfect opportunity to let us really open up in a varied way on larger things but it was just on to much rail
i love when its just bayo against another humanoid though those sections were great (although they would have gotten boring after a while)
>>344520213
>>344520164
They're still badly forced sections that don't fit in the game.
It's like when you have to do a forced stealth mission in an action.
>>344520270
well yeah most people will agree on that
i wonder what magic will be like in the next game
she can clearly do some varied stuff with her magic we saw it in the cutscene with the icicle but if you add in to many conventional spells you risk distracting from the combat at the core of the game
>>344519283
>bosses
Aside from Jeanne and Balder, nearly every boss in Bayo 1 was a big spectacle but a poor fight. Don't you fucking dare try to say that Jubileus is a good fight.
>>344520393
>They're still badly forced sections that don't fit in the game.
which are in both games, what is your point?
>>344520575
i liked the coliseum fight against the huge winged dude and the sea battle. shit was great
(i forget their names. it's been at least a half year since i played through bayo 1)
>>344520393
those kind of minigame/vehicle stages are mainly just to provide a break in the standard melee combat bits so it doesn't get too monotonous. they're usually based on classic arcade games, and they have existed in nearly all platinum/clover games.
i like them :3c
>>344520393
It's a Platinum meme at this point. Nobody likes them but they still keep fucking doing it.
>>344520558
I wonder who will she summon for the mandatory final punch in the final boss face after Sheba and Omne.
>mfw she summons Aesir/Loki
>>344520590
My point is that a lot of people complain about the rocket and motorcycle but never mention the exact same fucking thing is in the sequel but even MORE than before.
There are MORE of the shitty vehicle sections.
>>344520646
yeah, i liked the motorcycle stage. the music was fucking great
Bayonetta 2 is superior to the entire Devil May Cry series.
Discuss.
>>344520746
>2 times motorcycle 1 rocket (also, angel attacks)
>2 times plane 1 horse
woooah
>>344520782
both Bayonettas are superior to Devil May Cry. I agree.
>>344520575
the worst part of Jubileus was the way it went to a cutscene when you broke a strand.
it could still have been even better though if they had made it a fancy deal where you could actually properly run around the inside of the spere and attack from all sorts of angles and shit
>>344520837
i miss angel attack why did they ditch it
>>344520897
> Bayonetta
> Better then DMC4
Love is Blue>>>Scarborough Fair
Shuraba=Rakshasha
Alraune>>>Kulshedra
Durga>>>Undine
Salamandra>>>Odette
Come at me.
Why can't people just get along and accept they are both good games and that's all that matters?
This isn't even a console war worthy argument, since both games are on Wii U (and Bayo 1 on Wii U is the superior version anyway).
>>344521035
Just arguing for the sake of arguing. Can't even say it's Sonyfags, since the PS3 port was shit compared to the 360 one, which no one debated.
>>344520902
Nothing could salvage that horrible bore of a final boss. Not once did I get hit and the battle just felt like it kept going forever. THEN they have the audacity to throw in that stupid fucking planet dodging minigame. It almost single-handedly ruined the game for me.
Bayonetta 1's controls felt a little too heavy, Bayonetta 2 had the perfect weight.
>>344521020
>Alraune>>>Kulshedra
>Salamandra>>>Odette
>>344521205
first time i did it i thought i was meant to slam it into planets to deal more damage.
>>344519402
i cant actually remember which one was better but one of the games had far better challenge arena type things
also bayo 2 interface was trash
>>344520837
The 2nd motorcycle segment is for 30 seconds as Jeane at the end of the game to build up hype.
Don't be a faggot.
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>>344517358
People who play games once, maybe twice, then move onto the next find Bayo 2 better. People who intend to master it and Pure Plat the Lost Chapters and rape Rodin prefer Bayo 1.
That's all it comes down to. Bayo 2 has a more polished campaign and the multiplayer is pretty neat, but the combat is overall weaker and the weapons not as deep.
>>344521362
this
i dont have much to say on which sections were worse but that one barely counts
>>344517358
It's "inferior" at a very high skill level. VERY high.
Literally everything else is improved on Bayonetta 1.
You can't disprove this.
>>344521540
in fact i would say the main problem with them all was length
>>344521532
you are entitled to your opinionno matter how wrong it may be
Both are great.
The only people who care about "which is better" are those who want bayo 2 to be inferior due to being WiiU exclusive.
I think both are great, but ultimately Bayo 2 is superior due to no insta-death QTE, which was the only flaw I found in Bayo 1.
>>344519041
>Every enemy that isn't cherub level fodder gets an insta block/dodge that knocks both you and the enemy away if you're not hitting them in Witch time.
Taunt or gun them before this
How can you not know this
>>344521020
>Alraune>>>Kulshedra
You are a complete faggot. Kulshedra is the most underrated weapon to exist in possibly any video game.
Moon River>Fly Me To The Moon
I can't believe they fucked up the ending of Bayo 2 so much.
Bayo 1 had one of the best endings in videogame history, but Bayo 2 just kind of ends. I was really fucking disappointed by that.
>>344521641
it's not inferior at any level.
bayo 2 should have had long hair versions of all the costumes instead of locking you into 1 costume if you wanted long hair
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>>344521675
Right back at you, casual scum.
>>344517404
So basically
>Umbran Climax is a new mechanic, get rid of it
>Witch Time is different now, I don't like change
>The game is harder, I don't like that
>Wicked Weave is different now and it's harder to get combos, I don't like that
>The game has an RNG element to aid repeat plays, get rid of it
>The game has an RNG element, get rid of it
>Enemies don't stand around waiting to get hit, I don't like that
>Jump cancelling is different, I don't like change
I've never seen a more whiny post about Bayonetta 2. Everything comes down to "It's not muh Bayo 1"
>>344517358
>>344521947
>every negative change is just "it's different from bayo 1"
>not liking mario party 9's cart system
"different, get rid of it"
>not liking burch's writing in bl2
"different, get rid of it"
>not liking happy home designer
"different, get rid of it"
etc
>>344521947
the jump cancelling/enemy step complaints trigger me the most. like not being able to abuse that exploit is a bad thing.
shit looks retarded in dmc and bayo
which was the best bayoneta costume
if your answer isentold or umbrayour a fucking faggot
>>344522043
>All those things are negative
>>344522043
So you're just going to throw out false equivalence instead of explaining your point there, big man?
>>344521947
i dont agree with all of what she said but if you think the way something used to be was better of course your going to want it back to the old way
>>344517358
Thanks for making this thread, OP.
As I said in the last one, I think that there are some valid criticisms against the changes that 2 made to 1, as per Yoshesque's videos.
However, I think it's shortsighted to claim that 2 is inferior to 1. 2 is different, but the changes were made for a reason. We just haven't worked out the intricacies yet, possibly because we're trying to play it like Bayo 1.
I just find it hard to believe that the dev team didn't know what they were doing, and just made changes for the sake of it that unintentionally screwed up the game's mechanics.
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>>344522086
My absolute nigger.
>>344521764
You what? It's genius. Bayo 2 ending is basically Bayo 1's beginning. It's a neverending loop.
>>344522165
I don't see how that holds merit. If Bayonetta 2 was just Bayonetta again with no difference in its combat system, what's the point of playing? They're different games, and if they kept everything from Bayonetta, why not keep the bad stuff too? Maybe the game would have been finished in 2 years instead of 4.
>>344522193
>>344522086
>I like burquas: the post
get off 4chan, ahmed
>>344521761
absolutely
>>344521761
Bayonetta 2's entire soundtrack >>>> Bayonetta
>>344521947
>They made it worse because of these reasons
>No you just don't like change
Her reasons were explained rather clearly. If you're going to say she's wrong explain why she's wrong, don't just change everything she said you projecting fuck.
>>344522367
>Worse
They made it different. She's obviously trying to play a game like Bayonetta 1 when it doesn't play like Bayonetta 1. That's akin to playing Super Street Fighter IV like Street Fighter IV and complaining that things are different now.
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>>344522270
>Constant long hair mode
>Sexy masquerade mask
>Pointy nipples
Tell your father that I'm sorry his son's a fucking queer.
>>344522362
Can't really say if I like Tomorrow is Mine more than Mysterious Destiny.
>>344522471
>I need tits to validate a game
bayo 2 got rid of all the annoyances of the first one like qtes or neverending pseudo arcade sections so it's automatically better
as l'm not some greasy something awful autist spending hundreds of hours getting pure platinum on every mission l don't care if the combat system isn't as intricate
>>344522449
No, she said worse and explained her reasons. The first had more variety and options. In the second you're shoehorned into a specific style of play to be efficient and there are a bunch of things carried over from the first game (such as Moon) that serve no purpose because of this. Making higher level play restrictive to truly work when the first game at its highest level could be tackled in a myriad of ways all as effective as each other is making something worse.
DMC2 was different from DMC as well, and those differences made it worse. This is a completely valid opinion and you saying, "No it's just different that's all," does nothing to refute that. By your logic nothing is better or worse than anything, it's just different, and that's fucking retarded.
>>344522201
But it is a time paradox. Shit don't make sense
>>344522537
You need to learn to fucking read.
>>344517358
I want to play this game so bad but I don't have a wii u.
My xbox cd broke because I played it too much
>>344522826
It's literally more of the first game, like how Mario Galaxy 2 was a level pack for Mario Galaxy 1
For better and worse
>>344522768
No, Bayo 1 has a paradox with little Cereza, Bayo 2 has a fixed loop.
Both are dumb
>>344522193
ah yes now i remember
i couldn't actually remember if it was old or umbra i preferred more but seeing this shot i remember old is better
umbra is still good though
>>344522086
GEKKA OUTFIT
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>>344522742
shut up. the bitch is just retarded and angry because it's not identical to bayo 1
>>344522537
thats fine when we are talking about costumes
>>344517358
Here's the real deal:
Bayonetta > Jeanne
Discuss.
>>344522768
It doesn't need to make sense. This is not some cinematic and "mature" game, it's an over the top game completed by an over the top and retarded plot. That's why it's beautiful.
>>344522872
Yeah, I can't wait for cemu to come out
Bayo 1 was hard as balls and had annoying space shooter and vehicle sections.
>>344522742
Don't bother anon. Anyone who thinks Bayo 2 has better gameplay obviously doesn't care about it and never got past medium mode during the one and only playthrough.
>>344523286
The worst opinion in a thread full of shitty opinions
>>344523335
Bayonetta 2 has more annoying space shooter and vehicle sections.
>>344523447
Nope, they controlled way better
We all agree that Enzo is the best character, but who is second best?
Just saw the poster/post count
Jesus off yourself you samefagger
>>344523537
Rodin
>>344523554
>People can't have discussions.
>>344523492
The controls are better. The first one's control just fine anyway. But they're still awful forced vehicle sections.
>>344521761
Possibly the best music to start off a game ever
I immediately went to bayo 2 after beating the first one, and nothing could've set the tone for the second game better.
>>344523705
they're not even bad imo. and incredibly easy to pure plat compared to the regular stages lol
>>344523554
sry
>>344523705
There are the same amount in both Bayo 1 and 2 anyway. And I would argue that it offers more variety, especially with the controls improved.
Jesus can we get a bayonetta thread without consolewars?
What happened to us?
>>344523140
What a solid and reasoned argument you have there. Allow me to retort. Go fuck yourself.
>>344523962
But he's right
She complained about all the altered features, but fail to state the improved ones. QTEs are a deal breaker to me
>>344520282
>I played the game once and don't know how to dodge the post
People don't understand Umbran Climax.
It's not supposed to be a super move or limit break. You don't charge it up, use it in one go for a powerful attack, then go back to charging it again.
It's an extension of Bayo's normal moveset. Bayo 2's Umbran Climax / Infernal Weaves are the equivalent to Bayo 1's Wicked Weaves. You use them in the middle of combos, you use them to break the defenses of shielding/dodging enemies, etc.
Ever notice how most enemies have way more health in Bayo 2, and the Umbran Climax attacks don't deal crazy amounts of damage?
With a fully-upgraded magic bar, you have 24 orbs. Umbran Climax costs 4 orbs minimum, and you can activate it and turn it off anytime during a combo. It's not a finisher.
>>344523861
See.>>344521362
>>344524128
What are the good, meaningful, new features aside from the removal of insta death QTEs?
>>344521947
Umbran Climax is overpowered.I had way more issue with how all the weapons felt pretty shitty and how a lot felt identical or uselessI also hated that the Kusheldra equivalent was simplified and blatantly overpowered
I just don't really like the bosses as much, they feel a lot more style over substance, especially with the bosses where you're just floating in the air, dodge, then attack.
Yes, a lot of the bayo 1 bosses also broke down into dodge then attack, but at least there you had an arena you could move around in, rather than just floating, and you felt like you were making progress in bayo 1 with the segments when you started tearing off chunks of the bosses when you did enough damage, which bayo 2 doesnt really have.
>>344524128
>but fail to state the improved ones
Because she was answering someone who asked her what she found wrong with the combat system. Just because she doesn't end it by saying, "Oh but there are some good changes too such as no QTEs, and the forced vehicle segments are slightly more tolerable despite still being overall shit," that just automatically invalidates everything she said? That's retarded, Anon.
>>344524369
Just because it fucking builds up hype doesn't excuse it's shitty controls
The horse sequence builds up hype too, if you have to argue that way
Meaningful features? Please, you'll just say they are not actually meaningful
>improved controls for vehicle and combat
>better bosses, more aggressive enemies (demons)
>more varied locations, making a much more interesting experience
>combat is faster, moves have a better feeling of weight
>music and story is better
Do you want more?
Incoming opinion from someone who has 100%'d both bayonetta games and actively speedruns both
improvements Bayo 2 made over bayo 1:
>removed the piss filter, colors are much more vibrant and the game as a whole looks way better. And in my personal opinion the blue loading screen and menus are a lot easier on my eyes than the red from the first
>secret missions are a lot less harder to find than the first, as a trade off the missions themselves can be harder
>the addition of the demon enemies is really nice, especially how angels will never attack you from off-screen but demons will because they're pieces of shit
>much more costumes and customization of bayo in general
>tag climax added some nice new stuff
the cons:
>difficulty was toned down on lower difficulties, but is still pretty punishing on the hardest like previous games
>the non-witch characters from tag climax cannot be used in the story mode, only for tag climax
>tag climax could use some tweaking as a whole but is a nice challenge mission kind of thing
>Loki isn't playable
>Aesir isn't playable
>>344524556
Yes, but people are using her argument to show that bayo 2 is worse.
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>>344524613
>Meaningful features = everything is better and improved (in my opinion), and that's why it's better
I'm too black for this shit.
>>344524704
But you are basing everything off your opinion too
Bayo 1 is better for one reason, and that is that I can toggle my Samus visor whenever the hell I please. Whoever decided to not let us do that in Bayo 2 should be beatenverbally.
>>344524509
>but at least there you had an arena you could move around in
>with the segments when you started tearing off chunks of the bosses when you did enough damage
Arenas? You mean the tiny fucking platforms for each boss fight that lead into the same boring canned QTE 3 or 4 times per battle? 1's boss fights were completely terrible. Only there for the sake of having a boss fight.
>>344524663
People are using her arguments to show that the combat in Bayo 2 is worse, because her argument explains a lot of key points about why exactly the combat in Bayo 2 is worse, despite there also being more.
The whole crutch of the argument is what you prefer in the games as a whole, something that has been stated repeatedly. If you're a storyfag who wants an experience and things looking pretty to match your colourful dragon dildo collection, Bayo 2 is objectively better. If you prefer playing the stylish action game for its stylish action, Bayo 1 is objectively better. Both of these opinions are fine, Anon, it's okay for you to be a big gay baby, no-one will judge you for it, just stop pretending that a handful of QTEs being removed and turned into a grab attack instead makes the game a thousand times better.
>>344517358
But anon Bayonetta is inferior to Devil MayCry
Wii U emulator when? Nobody's going to buy a goddamn console for 2 games.
>>344524981
http://cemu.info/
>>344525070
ayy goyim lemoo
>>344524623
really loved the costumes in Bayo 2. especially metroid's suit that had the arm cannon and screwattack and morphball.
>>344524981
Y-yeah, nobody would do that!I don't regret it, but I'm sad it had to be done nonetheless.
>>344524345
you know i never really considered that
then again if that was the intention it was a pretty shitty name
>>344524613
>>344524704
I'll give you some shit.
The controls are completely fucking serviceable unless you have extreme epilepsy. The 2nd motor cycle segment is 30 seconds long of a bee line segment. Not a second level long vehicle segment like in the sequel.
The controls are the exact fucking same thing. The camera doesn't spin with the vehicles during the segments. That's the difference.
Almost every boss is ruined by half their fights being the flying press dodge and then foward+attack phases. And just like before the only good fights are the 3 humanoid opponents. Jeane, Balder, Rodin. And in the sequel, Young Balder, Aisir is okay, and Rodin.
Combat is not faster. Everything slows down to a crawl whenever you hit an enemy more than twice as this activates their autoblock dodge. The enemies are designed around witch time making it so you have to use it to defeat them without taking an hour. Rather than in in Bayonetta 1 where you could use Witch time as another tool to defeat enemies, not your main bread and butter. You can even see this between the two game's Infinity Climax modes. 2 leaves witch time on because you need it to fight most enemies, 1 leaves it off because you don't.
The story is just as serviceable as it was before. Music is subjective.
>>344524345
This. I remember seeing saur or one of those hack n slash pros talk about it like this. The game isn't Bayo 1 and shouldn't be played as such.
It comes down to various opinions on which people like better, and both have valid arguments, but I get tired of seeing the same arguments coming from people unable to experiment with a game.
>>344524908
>Remembered the Bayo 1 Wii U port reveal with the Samus costume visor that you could toggle
>Never found out how to do it and I couldn't be assed to look it up
>>344525241
The whole combat system makes a lot more sense when you think of it that way. Certain sections of the game seem to be specifically designed for it.
For example, there are sections where a difficult gauntlet of enemies is interspersed with a flock of weaker enemies, whose only purpose is to let you taunt them and keep your magic supply stocked.
>>344524957
>lm harcore gaymer all about gamplay graphucks dont matter
wew
speaking of taunts... i love how kamiya's retarded "ask your mom" tweet actually made it into the game as one of the VO lines for bayo's taunts
>>344525313
Why would you not use fucking witch time, a main combat tool, then have the gall to complain that combat is slow?
And your boss fight comment is subjective too. Bayo 1's bosses, also not counting the human ones, are underwhelming and have the same flaws as what you state
>>344526734
Some enemies require that you use witch time to fight them, rather than having it as a tool.
For instance, Rodin's basic fist combo string in Bayonetta 1. If you attack him during it he'll start over and turn to look at you, so if you use witch time and hit him from behind he'll turn around to kick your ass.
But since it was a tool not the only thing, you could for instance use Moon to basic block all of his attacks except for the last one which you could either perfect block or dodge to activate witch time then.
In Bayonetta 1 you can decide to not use witch time and you're not at such an extreme disadvantage you would be in the sequel. You could even have situations where you wouldn't want to use witch time. In Bayonetta 2, there is never not a situation to use witch time because it is the ONLY WAY to effectively fight enemies.
>>344518927
barely controversial. I like NG more than DMC because the latter triggers my carpal tunnels.
here is a controversial opinion
Razor's Edge > vanilla 2 > black > sigma > vanilla 3 > sigma 2
>>344527242
That really applies to the human bosses and Sloth.
All other enemies in Bayo 2 can be fought normally, but humanoid bosses and Sloth dodge so much that you can barely get a hit on them outside of witch time. The first Balder fight was alright, but at some point after than it gets a little stupid. And this is coming from someone that likes Bayo 2 more than the original.
