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>Playing this game
>Absolutely retarded camera system based on an outdated game
>Playing Mission 4
>Fucking giant sword asshole comes out of mirror
>Die to him because either he lands a combo that wipes half of your HP, or retarded camera system doesn't show you what he's doing and throws blue magic at you
>Everything in this game deals insanely high damage
>Finally kicked mirror guys nigger ass
>But muh plot says "not really"
>He ends up kicking dante's ass becuase reasons
>then he sees his moms amulet and pussies out
>Oh boy fucking sewer
>Bugs ooh do no damage, rolling through fine.
>Get fucking trapped in small ass magic cage
>Fucking scissor satan comes in with his goat skull lookin ass
>All of his attacks are AoE slashes
>Rains from the sky just to penetrate your cranium
>Retarded camera keeps you from knowing where he's coming from
>Can't even get out of being hit
>Devil surge or whatever it is does nothing to him
>No indication on what you're doing to him, or how much damage you're dealing
>Fags out behind walls all of the time, can't land many hits
>Die because giant fucking satan scissors encompass this entire fucking magic cage
literally fuck this game
>>344505518
I'm pretty sure you can literally beat Angelo by spamming attack and moving whenever he teleports.
Get good you fucking monkey.
>>344506759
Get good is a meme response to basically say adhere to poorly designed mechanics and levels
>>344507041
Well, when most your arguments are "this game is too hard" I can't really say much other than get good.
>>344505518
I think DmC: Devil May Cry is more your speed OP.
That game had a bit of a difficulty curve at the start. Really only difficult fight was Nelo. Once you figure out how to dodge and shoot at the same time you can probably get an S rank fairly easily.
3and 4are actually good, fuck 1.
>>344507146
>Too hard
>Bullshit camera that you don't see anything
>Literally not reading the original post and just posting "git gud" for no reason other than "muh keks"
Literally fuck off
>>344507217
I heard that only edgy teenagers can actually get any enjoyment out of it, but I'll check out the remaster
>>344507218
Honestly the way I beat him is repeatedly slamming my sword into him, and when he bitches out behind his sword I jump behind him and keep wailing on him till he teleports.
>>344507251
I got 3, should I skip 1/2? I heard 2 was a massive shit stain on the series
>>344507575
dmc1 is still fine
>>344505518
how the fuck are you dying?
i wont say git gud but jesus you are shit
hear the voice clips if you must but they have patterns you retard
>>344507575
I mean DMC1 is okay, but 3 is just a lot better. But if you really hate 1, it might not be your thing.
>>344509743
Does 3 still have the shitty camera's from RE1?
>>344507575
2 is the worst of the main games, but I enjoyed my time with it. Just play the others first, and if you really want more, snag 2.
A classic case of "I won't get good and I rather complain on a somalian cartoonboard instead".
Your options are:
a) you get good (watch videos, start analyzing the game, bit by bit)
b) play on easy
c) stop playing and get something more your speed like a visual novel or some weeb RPG
>>344509883
I honestly don't remember, it's been a long fucking time. I think there were some areas where you control the camera and some rooms where you don't, but it's never really an issue. I vaguely recall DMC1 trying to do horror camera angles that had monsters out of your view at times and 3 doesn't do that at all.
>>344505518
nelo angelo 1 has one the most ingeniously designed combat AI ever, just like the most of the bosses in the game
> magic cage
jump of the wall all over the place
horned devil has a audio cue when it charged at you -- react ot it
> shitty camera
stop moving so much then, just jump or roll in place
keep locking on most of the time you don't get disoriented and will always know where your enemy is
if you had so much trouble with such simple early bosses you're not gonna get to the end
you're gonna give up like a bithc on Griffon 2 where you fight giant eagle on a ship AND firey ribbon sticks to you and throws нщг into the air every three seconds
>>344505518
There is a grand total of one battle in the game where I felt the camera didn't provide an adequate field of view, and you haven't reached it yet.
>>344507575
DMC2 really has nothing going for it. There is nothing it does better than the rest of the series, and a lot it does worse.
>>344512583
>There is nothing it does better than the rest of the series,
Devil Trigger, costume design, improved upon DMC1's combat, great soundtrack.
DMC1 really isn't hard, honestly. The camera can be a bit annoying against the griffon, but there aren't any other major issues. It's kinda easy most of the time.
I really liked the fights against Vergil (or an alternate version of himself being controlled byMundus? Haven't played the other games yet). Those were the best moments in the game. The last boss was disappointing and the game is short though.
>mfw going through 150+ Gold Orbs trying to kill Mundus on DMD
>>344513978
i spent entire weekend trying to S-rank Mundus on DMDi got special bonus on him when did
Matthewmatosis would say otherwise. And with good reasons to back it up.
>>344513673
>and the game is short though
You're supposed to replay it on harder difficulties
>>344513978
>150
That's a fuckton, but I can sympathize with you, that Space Harrier stage is terrible
>>344512770
Yeah, I guess getting the submachine guns and holding the triggers to beat every fight in the game except Trismagia would be better combat for people who suck, like OP for example.
>>344514715
>actually making the decision to do nothing but hold down square
>actually making the decision to not be crazy and stylish in a Devil May Cry game
>can't beat lava spider
>accidentally jump in his body
I felt so badass in that moment
>>344512770
>improved upon DMC1's combat
The rest is down to personal taste, I suppose, but I don't even know what to say to that. I can only hope that you are defining combat as "the number of actions available to the player" or something. The combat as a whole is even worse than in the reboot, much less DMC1.
>>344513673
A lot of the game can be trivialized if you know what you're doing, but DMD mode is still a decent challenge.
Nelo Angelo was my favorite boss in the game as well. It's always satisfying to knock his sword aside or reflect his blue fireballs back at him.
>>344514893
DMC 2 somehow manages to have shittier melee combat than the first, which is pretty impressive in its own shitty way. And DMC didn't really have the best combat in the world.
>>344505518
Dodge by jumping. It's not all that hard. You're welcome.
>>344505518
>>344515071
>The combat as a whole is even worse than in the reboot, much less DMC1.
>twosome time
>rain dance
>flipping
>wallrunning
>better than 'mash attack and hop in place to avoid attack, repeat'
>>344514893
The only thing that DMC2 brought to the game was realtime weapon switching, and the precursor to trickster.
And in order to get that, we got enemies that were literal bullet sponges, attacks that actively broke up combos, and combat where you could be better served standing back and shooting for two minutes than chasing an enemy that would run to the other end of the area and not fight you.
shut the fuckup retard
>>344512770
>improved upon DMC1's combat
Not even close. You have more options but the enemies are all retarded making it ultimately pointless. The only things DMC2 did right was costume design, Trish, and introducing Bloody Palace. Beyond those few saving graces it's trash.
>>344515286
>attacks that actively broke up combos
yeah if you stand there and take the hit after seeing the enemy telegraph its attack
>>344515286
>chasing an enemy that would run to the other end of the area and not fight you
This never happens.
>>344515268
Ah yes, twosome time, one of the aforementioned attacks that would do nothing except knock an enemy away from combat and out of attack range.
Rain Dance, an attack that did LESS damage than the spitwad guns already did.
Wallrunning, a technique that had no use in any fight whatsoever.
And... flipping? I assume you mean the dodge button which further simplified the already pathetic combat?
>>344505518
maybe you should play some candy crush or something, op
theres a lot of positively reinforcing video games out there for people like you
>>344505518
Literally Bait: The post - OP's a faggot
>>344515391
No, I mean your OWN attacks. Like how Stinger would knock the enemy across the room.
>This never happens
The dolls, the infestants, the entire underwater area... Need I go on?
>>344515697
>The dolls
They're in the air shooting projectiles. Fire at them twice, and they fall. Then you can do whatever you want to them, melee as you should, to build style and get more orbs.
I never had an infestant run away from Lucia. Their whole thing is swarming the player and trying toinfestthem.
>>344515697
>No, I mean your OWN attacks. Like how Stinger would knock the enemy across the room.
I'm pretty sure in every DMC game you can cancel Stinger into Million Stab to prevent this.
>That last Nightmare fight in the original DMC
>>344514893
>DMC1&2
>stylish
they were in a different ballpark from the series today and the only thing stylish was dantes coat
>>344516042
The combat was still stylish, just not built around the later weapon switching and near endless combo strings.
>>344505518
I beat Angelo when I was a little kid. You just fucking suck and are blaming the game for your inability to learn. Here's a tip SPAM ALASTOR COMBOS AND SHOTGUN SHELLS THATS LITERALLY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
>>344515869
Ah yes, Infestants. The enemy where I set my controller down on hard mode to see what kind of damage they would do, and it still took me a minute to die because they did jack shit except run away, or circle like a gimp in a mask trying to find a dick to suck.
And yeah, you just described every single fight with the dolls. At max range, in different parts of the room, dying in two hits once you finally got to whichever one you shot down off screen to slap once. You'd get more combo points dodge rolling towards them and maybe avoiding an infrequent attack than you would meleeing them to death.
>>344516032
Nightmare gun was fucking top tier and I want it back so bad.
>>344505518
Idiot
>>344505518
watch mathewmatosis playthrough
he doesnt get hit
and everything he does is so fucking simple. finishes the game in the least moves possible
I picked up Dmc4SE and holy shit is Trish the best in that game by a mile.
>Trish
>Dante
>Nero
>Lady
>Virgil
I have never been able to get into Virgil. I like him better as a boss. He does have admittedly the best DT because he literally becomes Nelo Angelo
>>344505518
git gud bitch nigga
>>344516032
Nightmare 3 can be awful for you if you are not away of how it works and are not careful about breaking orbs in Nightmare 1 and Nightmare 2
permanency of status in a recurring boss -- was a brilliant idea (such a thing is a rarity in current year let alone in 2001) and it's a shame people who continued the series could never match this kind of combat design and were just content regurgitating and just evolving on the ideas DMC1 presented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5A6i27eWVU
Why do people feel the need to let everyone else know that they don't like some popular thing? Nobody cares. It's not even a discussion, it's just whining.
DMC1 is great, probably the best. The best atmosphere. The only one with a horror vibe. Really feels like Action Resident Evil.
Kids today can't appreciate any game that isn't over the shoulder with rotational camera. It's a shame.
>>344507041
>it can be done if you perform better
>this is the reason it is hard, to get you to perform better
>HURR GET GOOD ISN'T A GOOD ENOUGH ANSWER
Why don't you try asking Kamiya what you should do? He'll tell you the same fucking thing.Then he'll block you.
>>344505518
>>344505518
I played this shit as a little kid in a demo from CVX and beat it. You have to be a minimum of like what 20? Do you just suck?
Nelo Angelo is piss easy especially if you have the shotty form the library and Alastor from the statue and use your flight DT. Sin Scissors are pretty much the only challenging enemy if you're new or bad. The hardest part of this series is remembering which combos flow best together. God help you if you manage to get Ifrit.
>>344507041
Okay let's rephrase it for you. Trial and error. You aren't going to pull of cool flashy combos until you feel them out and practice them for a long time like most people do. If you want a win button play easy and if that's too much fuck off.
>>344505518
Nigger, I beat the game with minimal problems at like fucking 15.
You clearly suck.
I beat DMC1 when I was 16. I never used items. Get good.
Who here /sparda costume/?
>>344505518
You know how fighting games are shit when you're bad at them? So are action games. I will give you that this game is old and outdated compared to DMC3/4, but it's still perfectly playable. Literally keep playing until your skill level improves and you'll eventually beat the whole game. The boss fights are where it's at, btw.
>>344517235
You can't beat the demo, asshole.
>>344505518
Double Jump a lot to dodge.
Run around a lot to gather them in front of you so you can get double teamed.
Shotgun the scissors (rockets can do okay if enemies turtle up a lot)
Learn to quick swap to gauntlets and back to sword (R3 if I remember)
Stinger the ever fucking shit out of everything that moves.
That is basically how I S ranked Dante Must Die mode in one run. Would probably get my ass handed to me now, but at the time I played through all the difficulties back to back so it gives you time to adjust.
>>344517552
>when I was 16
That's key. You were 16 a decadse ago. OP is likely 20 and can't handle games with fixed cameras. I've noticed kids today can't handle games where the camera is not behind you and movable. Every game adopted that for the last 10 years so it's just standard. Anything else, like Resident Evil style fixed cameras is too much of a change for them to accept.
>>344506759
>>344507041
Holy shit
There he goes again
He said it once again!
Isn't he just the funniest, coolest guy around?
Git gud! Git gud! Git gud! X--DDD oh man am I fucking champion for telling someone they're bad at a videogame
Oh boy I'm gunna tell my Skype group about this one after we finish watching My Little Pony
SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU LITTLE NIGGER
GIT GUD IS LITERALLY "I HAVE NOTHING MEANINGFUL TO SAY BUT I WANT TO APPEAR AS IF I AM PROFICIENT AT SOMETHING IN MY LIFE SO I PUT DOWN OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE IT SEEM THAT WAY"
Kill your self FAGGOT
>>344517559
>DMC2
Default Dante
Diesel jacket Lucia
>DMC3SE
Coatless DMC1 Dante
Default Vergil
>DMC4SE
Sparda Dante
Scarf Nero
Default Vergil
Default Lady
Brunette Trish
>>344517838
Yes you can, dipshit. Demos are designed to be beaten.
>>344517838
I mean first did the demo then the game. Sorry you suck
>>344517910
Look buddy. You came here to tell us "I am failing at this videogame, there must be something wrong with the videogame".
The universal response is naturally going to be "no, there is something wrong with you". This is what we mean by get god. So fucking get good, there's nothing wrong with the game. You just suck.
>>344517916
This is correct. Good job.
>>344517910
>>344517908
Newer players are just shit at games in general and bitch about shit like fixed cameras because they're so used to games being piss-fucking-easy. One of my friends is shit at classic camera Resident Evil and was calling it too hard. It's infuriating, because it's a great control scheme that just demands you learn it for it to feel better.
It's a fun game. I played on Normal and didn't venture past that because I'm shit at games but I liked it. Cool atmosphere, too.
>>344518201
Meant classic control.
>>344517908
God, that reminds me of how one of my cousin's kids literally has trouble with RATCHET AND CLANK games. Fucking Ratchet and Clank, one of the least challenging game series out there.
Who here /DMC3/? Anyone know what does the most DPS out of Shotgun RG-cancelled, Spiral RG-cancelled or Spiral to KA?
>Absolutely retarded camera system based on an outdated game
DMC itself is a 15 years old game, mate.
Play 3 and 4. Especially 3 if you ask me.
>>344517910
>Shitters trying to play the victim
Priceless
>>344517910
>this anal devastation at being proven so utterly wrong
>the projection
>the meme accusations
Even if this is somehow bait, it still got a laugh out of me.
Seeing a DMC thread while I'm literally spending my weekend off playing through the special editionwith my girlfriendfor the first time is the best. How do I into Lady?
>>344517910
Grow up
I'm actually tempted to get the Steam DMC remake. I have a controller and the first Hack and Slash I played wasMGRRbut I really liked that.
>>344518565
How are you playing a single player game with your girlfriend?
>>344518721
Taking turns?
>>344518721
She's cuddling on the couch with me and her labtop.
>>344518681
You mean DmC: Devil may Cry?
It's not that bad. It's just DMC4, waterd down, with all the colors removed, and FUCK YOU cut scenes.
If you mean DMC4: SE, get that instead.
>>344519005
>It's just DMC4, waterd down
I wouldn't say that. Donte gameplay steals a lot from Nero, but the gameplay is not similar.
>>344519182
You're right it's worse. Did they ever get rid of the axe and scythe specific enemies. Also the weapons in the game were really unfun.
>>344519423
I remember having a lot of fun with DmC. First DMC game I played. At least it gave me enough interest to play 1 through 4.
Going back to it now is jarring. It just feels weird...
Move over, kids.
>>344519679
That game had some sick swords. I remember getting the fire and lighting ones really early and the wind one at the end. And the Fish suit.
This is more of an action game than DMC3, enemies that are actually fun to fight and don't take years to die.
Let's be real, DMC1 is not a perfect game. The camera is ass and stages are too short. Also, absolutely no one liked the first-person underwater segments.
>>344520135
Eh, agreed. It just calls for a little bit of patience.
>>344520135
Yeah I'll give you that. For the first of a series it did a lot of things right though. And the underwater was garbage. Not even the needle gun saved it.
The underwater segments are proof that Kamiya is not a perfect genius. Someone really should have told him "Dude, seriously, absolutely fucking no one is going to like this."
>>344510772
Fuck I haven't played DMC in almost a decade and you just reminded me of how much I hated that part.
That and the fucking Lava Spider that keeps stalking you.
Great game though.
>>344505518
I don't see what the problem is, there's an easy automatic mode just for players like you.
>>344520135
Speak for yourself, you say too short, I say just right, absolutely no one enjoys S Ranking a 20 minute DMC4 mission.
>>344516032
Use nothing but fully charged Ifrit Punch Punch Kick Kick combos in DT to wreck it, on any dificulty.
People don't 'get' DMC1, they treat it as a proto-DMC3 when it's more of an action game like Ninja Gaiden, there's a reason enemies in DMD before they Devil Trigger have even less health then they do in Hard Mode.
>>344520330
Also that one part where you had to jump across broken pieces of the bridge and every time you miss a jump you fall into the water and have to fight the same enemy over and over until you get it right. Or getting Ifrit.
DMC has never had good platforming, fucking EVER, so any time it's mandatory is just bullshit.
>>344519974
Won't see an enemy like this is DMC3/4
>>344520419
>just right
There's a stage where it's literally just going straight down and reaching a door.
Besides, you only need to SS-rank a stage once and it'll be permanently recorded, so there's no reason to go through the effort of getting a thousand Red Orbs each and every time.
>>344520445
I'll give the broken bridge but I loved obtaining Ifrit. I wish we got those back instead of Gilgamesh and Beowulf.
>>344520582
Fuck you, I wasted more time than I care for trying to get Ifrit. Precision platforming and DMC don't fucking mix.
>>344520467
That's the best enemy, but even the Marionettes were the best low level fodder in the series, the only Pride worth a damn is a Lust and only on DMD.
The best enemies by far in DMC3 were the Arachnae but everyone will just say the Sloth because they have the retarded HP pool and let you beat up a punchbag.
>>344520365
>leo does his jack nicholson impression.jpg
>>344520647
Did you have air hike?
>>344520743
Yes I had Air Hike.
The problem is that the platforms are small, some of them move and it's almost impossible to aim Dante's jumps due to how awkward they are. Dante's jumping is made for combat, not for platforming.
DMC1 is way more deep than people give credit for.
>not knowing that you can force Phantom to kill himself
>Not knowing you can reflect Nightmare's side spear to make him cough up a Core
>Not knowing you can force Nelo Angelo out of the air in the third fight to stop him shooting swords
>Not knowing about all the critical hits
>>344520724
gaht dammit anon
>>344505518
DMC is easy as fuck on everything below the difficulties you unlock upon beating it. git gud.
>>344520793
I haven't played it in years so I can't exactly say shit. I don't remember the platforming. I just remember Kick 13, Meteor Drive, and throwing fireballs.
>>344517057
>Action Resident Evil.
This. Don't forget that DMC was originally envisaged as a Resident Evil game so a lot of aspects of the game that feel wrong for the kind of game that DMC evolved into later in the series actually make a lot of sense if you consider it as closer to RE than later DMCs, for example:
>Camera
>Atmosphere
>Less frequent combat with more space to explore the level between encounters
>Generally less CUH-RAZY
>Level design and aesthetic - more gothic than hellish/demonic
shut up you whiny brat. your only complaints are that the game is too hard. either practice more or play another game. no one's forcing your pathetic nu-male ass to play it.
the DMC1 concept art gets me hard af
>>344520671
Eh. The fact of the matter is enemies were only as threatening as they were due to how comparatively weak Dante was.
In DMC1, they clearly put more effort into the enemies than Dante himself. While Dante did have some unusually deep combat mechanics for its time, what was more important was how he interacted with his enemies. The Style meter was also more about connecting combos than varying attacks, so the difficulty was adjusted for what was effectively a comparatively simpler game.
Starting from DMC3, however, they instead shifted focus from Dante's enemies to Dante himself. They wanted to expand on Dante's combat potential, remove his previous limitations and just give him the ability to do so much more than he ever could. This, however, came at a price. The more focus they gave to Dante, the less focus they could give to his enemies. Bosses were still fairly well-designed, but mooks suffered due to how DMC3's combat was designed specifically for combating multiple enemies at once or constantly moving between enemies, unlike in DMC1 where much of the game's strategy involved isolating certain enemies and taking them down one at a time. Because the Style system was less about connecting attacks and more about variety, this also greatly affected how Dante interacted with his enemies.
Finally, in DMC4, since they laid down most of the groundwork for Dante and brought in a new simpler protagonist in Nero, they were able to put more effort into the enemies again. But by this point, the damage was done. They further removed Dante's limitations by allowing him to access all of his Styles at once. The current Dante has too much freedom, too many varied abilities, and so even with varied and unique enemies, nine times out of ten, it doesn't really make that much of a difference to him. If you put DMC4's Dante into DMC1, he'd plow through the whole thing like a stroll through the park
>>344521390
Is much really known about the plot of RE4's DMC incarnation?
>>344521478
Mundus was supposed to be the dying Spencer we see in RE5, and this was to be his Tyrant/demon form.
>>344521390
>>344521578
You can see here where they got the idea for Dante's clothing for DMC3.
I see Credo here
>>344521469
>Eh. The fact of the matter is enemies were only as threatening as they were due to how comparatively weak Dante was.
Not really, they are simply more aggressive than DMC3 enemies are, especially on lower difficulties and from the off, they hit harder at first too yet if you have a Green health bar, one combo will never kill you (this applies to bosses as well).
And they actually make an effort to try to dodge you, unlike the punchbags in DMC3, DMC4 I won't really rag on as they brought some of this stuff back. (They actually brought back some enemies FROM the first DMC, then amped em' up).
So I disagree with you pretty heavily, in fact, Dante is stronger than most of the enemies in that game.
>>344521836
Dante was well-balanced in comparison to his enemies.
Royal Guard alone would completely fuck up anything in DMC1.
>>344521909
I wanna see a remake of DMC1. It'd be largely unchanged, just prettier and a better camera. However, once you beat the game, you can unlock DMC4 Dante, with all his Styles. I wanna see just how badly he fucks up the game's balance.
>>344521836
>DMC4 I won't really rag on as they brought some of this stuff back
they kiinda tried and brought back frosts and assaults and angelos and critical one hit kills
but then they went and did Chimaera Assaults
astounding incompetency
>>344505518
I beat it. Get good
Never played a DMC game before.
Should I just play 3 or does 1 offer anything that 3 doesn't?
>>344524416
dont play any of them, just kill yourself
>>344505518
I didn't take my time to read all that shit because judging from the first two lines, you are fucking retarded.
I played DMC1 for the first time last month and I was honestly amazed at how good it is. The amount of love put into that game iscrazy. Of course it's dated but the combat is so good that it still works. The only issues are the camera and graphics. And the camera issues are because it was planned as a Resident Evil game.
>>344524416
Spooky atmosphere and best Dante outfit
>>344524547
Candy-ass faggot
Anglo makes a loud as fuck noise when he charges up that blue projectile. I remember being 13 years old and thinking OH SHIT when I heard that noise offscreen.
Op git gud
>>344517910
Holy shit that projecting
>>344524612
>Spooky atmosphere and best Dante outfit
what a gross oversimplification when DMC1 is the only genuinely good DMC game that isnt made for actual neckbeard autists
DMC1 on normal is about the same experience as DMC3 on very hard- and thats not because the enemies are bloated devil triggered damage sponges but because they actually attack and dodge
>>344524604
And the abrupt and unwanted sudden genre changes.
>>344524782
But the combat isn't as good.
DMC3 and DMC4 have the best combat in any action game.
>>344514893
The game forces you to kill some bosses with only guns because you can't hit them with other weapons.
Infected Heli and those flying heads for example.
>>344524825
Explain what you mean. The shitty underwater seconds that last 2 minutes each?
>>344524881
You said literally nothing but stupid shit in your post
>But the combat isn't as good.
COMBAT by definition involves two sides, the "combat" in other DMC games is a fucking joke because its just game mechanics pitted against barely retaliating punching bags
>DMC3 and DMC4 have the best combat in any action game.
Are you 14? Try actually playing action games outside of MUH ANIME XDD, Ninja Gaiden 2 has more moves on the FIRST WEAPON than both characters in DMC4 combined, and that game still manages to have enemies that actually attack you
DMC is on the shittier end of the HnS spectrum but retarded autists like you eat it up because muh anime characters and it panders to my autist powerfantasies
>>344524915
The shoot 'em up at the end
>>344524915
>Underwater segments
>Final climactic boss is a mediocre air battle simulator that uses absolutely none of the techniques and skills you've picked up throughout the course of the game
>Ends with an airplane
>Finally kicked mirror guys nigger ass
>But muh plot says "not really"
this should be its own topic. seriously, fuck that shit.
one of my biggest peeves is when a game immediately ruins a difficult boss fight by following your victory with a cutscene showing the enemy you just defeated going "HAHA BUT I AM ACTUALLY UNDEFEATED"
it gets me real agitated, senpai
>>344524881
No, I like to actually FIGHT my enemies tyvm.
>>344525113
Fuck off Matthew.
>>344524915
>The game forces you to kill some bosses with only guns because you can't hit them with other weapons.
>Infected Heli and those flying heads for example.
Arial Heart and smack the fucking helicopter in its weak spot. You're not even trying.
https://countingdownto.com/countdown/dark-pepiton-countdown-clock
So when's Tokyo Game Show?
>>344525267
oh boythis is going to hurt so much
>>344517910
I wish I still got this mad from playing video games.
>>344525113
Play DMC 3 and then talk to me about annoying bosses
>>344525425
It's pasta.
>>344525479
>Jester
>annoying
His voice clips are maybe, but the fight is relatively easy, doubly so for Sword and RG
I like DMC1 a lot when it was new but going back and playing it now feels like such a downgrade after 3 or other sytlish combat games which have come out since. Some things don't age well. Unfortunatey they didn't fix the camera until 4.
>>344505518
stop sucking
>>344525267
They never get his face right.
>>344525267
>that face
>>344525189
Matthewmatosis is better at DMC1 than everyone in this thread combined
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5v7NLT5fS0
>>344525582
They were easy, but I got so fucking sick of him showing up over and over. The game is hard, and i love it, I don't usually rage at games for being hard, but the jester makes me want to put my fist through the tv. He's annoying af
>>344525828
I'm sure some Japanese autist on Nico is better.
>>344525729
NECA Dante looks way too sad
Somebody should buy him a pizza
>>344525729
Completely nitpicking, but they always get the DMC1 coat color wrong too. It's not supposed to be the same red as his inner coat, it has a more pinkish color.
>>344526049
Pretty much DMC2 Dante in DMC1 clothing
>>344516781
Nightmare 1 & 2 affect 3? How so?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8itVL8_ux10
See this shit? This is possible because Nelo has a set amount of hits that force his block, and he's only blocking from the front unless you can time a powerful hit to stagger him.
Someone literally figured out a blockstring for the fight, which shows how deep it is.
>>344517559
Always thought it was a nice touch that Yamato used Alator's moveset.
Useless trivia, Sparda's human form is just a retrofitted "Future Dante" from the RE4 phase of development.
>>344516781
Literally couldn't beat him on DMD years ago because I didn't know that and bashed him up however I felt like in the previous 2 fights.
DMC1 is the only one in the series whose DMD I haven't beat.I should get around to doing it
>>344525828
Fuck off Matthew.
>>344525646
No it didn't. DMC1 and 3/4 are two different brands of games you idiot, just like how Itsuno isn't Kamiya.
>>344526704
Nightmare's cores will shatter if you just hit them with Sparda/Alastor after a certain amount of times, if you just use DT fully charged Ifrit Punches and alternate on back and front cores it'll keep them weak.
If you let him take you to the nightmare realm, the dials will from then on stay longer so he stays solid longer.
If you're pro, when you see him turn to face his side at you, you can hit his Spear back inside itself to make it cough up an orb you can demolish with no attacks back on you. Alternatively, use Rollling Blaze, when he turns, jump straight up, this also applies to reflecting his boomerang.
If you stay in fron of it's 'face' for a few seconds then move to his side, it'll bait the easy peasy Ice Beam you dodge by jumping on his back, after every Ice Beam he ALWAYS releases a Core, you can't do this infinitely in a row of course.
You can shoot those little projoectiles back at him with the Pistols to damage his Cores, and also damage his little machine gun nodes.
Literally the best boss in the game.
>>344524416
Play them in release order. 3's a lot more satisfying when you understand where the series cam from.
>>344525267
Fuck that. Get the Dante that is actually going to look like Dante.
http://www.kinetiquettes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DMC_HR.jpg
>>344526690
>Useless trivia, Sparda's human form is just a retrofitted "Future Dante" from the RE4 phase of development.
>>344525980
His boss-fights are optional
>>344526285
Nightmare has two (actually -- three but it doesn't showup until the very end so it's irrelevant) orbs who status is kept throughout bosses' repeated encounters.
Orbs have counters that count how many times you've hit them. I think around 13 hits they break and change colors -- from blue to green, from green to red with each progressive colour change meaning a huge increase in defense.
If you are not careful and make too many hits on the same orb or do hits are too weak to damage Nightmare but are still increasing the counter -- you might break orbs twice and end up with two red orbs.
Two red orbs have absolutely insane defence -- i think 5x or 7x higher than green ones.
This matters because orb status carries over from Nightmare 1 to Nightmare 2 to Nightmare 3
The optimal strategy is to do 11-12 on the each of the two orbs -- then get eaten into the Nightmare world (which resets counters)
Optimally you have to arrive at Nightmare 3 with green orbs.
>>344525828
is barely okay
it might look competent and impressive for a complete neophite of the genre, but that gameplay is actually quite scrubby
> BUT NO DAMAGE!
listen, taking to no damage is barely the most surface, shallow layer, it's action games 101
it's not the complete peak of what is possible in the game because the games are much deeper than just not taking damage. "No damage" is but a prerequistie and by far is the simplest restriction and just the first step on the road to gud one has to take.
If you want to see an actually impressive gameplay you need to look for gameplay with audio commentary by Michael 'sternn' McEnroe made in 2006:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/DevilMayCry.html#100pDMD
He did DMD mode from scratch AND collected ALL collectible AND completed ALL secret missions AND actually achieved Special Bonuses (while that guy is even unaware that SB actually exists and genuinely believes S-rank is the highest rank one can get in DMC1)
>>344527598
Thanks man, I have a save file ready to go on DMD so i should keep that in mind. Full power 1hits, get eaten after 12 orb hits to reset.
>>344507041
Well, the game is the first of it's kind, and was born from Resident Evil of all things. It's kinda like complaining about the awkward combat in Mass Effect, which was literally converted from KOTOR combat two third through development.
>>344505518
Do you even play video games? Get good you retarded millennial
>>344527807
don't take my words for granted
i was just pulling them out of my ass because it's been two years since i completed my DMD S-rank and i don't remember exact number for shit
look over that SDA archive page i gave link to and watch that DMD playthrough with commenrary:
http://www.archive.org/details/DevilMayCry_100pDMD_13534
if you don't understand what is going there (the tmings for counter parrying and jumps on the head are insane) watch AccountingNightmare playthrough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrCUGyRiJc&list=PL22C9556C5D09E42A&t=9m47s Nightmare 1
https://youtu.be/Cnm40jVeyPU?list=PL22C9556C5D09E42A&t=13m Nightmare 2
https://youtu.be/vKtu_sAL_bk?list=PL22C9556C5D09E42A&t=3m Nightmare 3
>>344505518
I beat this game when I was 9 years old. You suck lol
>>344505518
Are you playing on easy? Sounds like you should be
Also do you understand the concept on invulnerability frames? You have invulnerability frames on your jump, meaning if you press jump within a few split seconds of when an attack would hit, the attack will pass through you doing no damage at all. Most action games and fighting games have i-frames in some form, Dark Souls combat in particular is based off this idea.
>>344527807
>Full power 1hits
as far as i remember (again recheck this) on dmd you simply don't have enough time with Orb open to do a complete fully charged five hit attack string with Ifrit (obviously while devil triggered for max damage)
because hits in Ifrit's attack string deal progressively more damage with fifth one being the most damaging -- i thing the best strategy was to only half-charge second (? or third or fourth?) hit in the combo to have enough time to do fully charged fifth hit
>>344516867
Is this some tinfoil shit?
is Reuben an autist
>>344529619
Reuben is legitimately fucking crazy. The entertaining but unhealthy type.
>>344528362
>the game is the first of it's kind
>>344527598
Yeah, just seen how he handles the Skulls in the partb efore Phantom, you can literally pointblank one shot them all with a Shotgun blast, rolling into each one to save time.
Again, because enemies in DMD have less health.
>>344532314
Okay, he has a lenient version of the game, Phantom on DMD requires absolutel optimal gameplay, madatory completion of the Secret Mission and you HAVE to beat him with Critical Hit chains or you'll never make it.
Capcom should do a remake of DMC1 using DMC4SE assets.
DMC4 already has enemies straight out of 1; DMC1 doesn't have much in the way of expensive long cutscenes either. Seems like something that could be made relatively easily.
>>344534148
>DMC1 remake using DMC3/4 style of gameplay
Worst than people asking for a Sparda game.
>>344505518
>best Dante design
>coolest DT design and variety
>combat that got some additions like actual air combos, DT giving you more moves on top of the health regen/damage boost, gun kata stuff with shotgun, on-land frame attacks like Ninja Gaiden
>the camera isn't as fixed and closed in as the previous game
>add best brown girl who is more fun to play than Dante at times
sure enemy design is DMC3 level of mixed and bosses are shit, and I'm still unsure if dodge and jumping has any I-framesalmost convinced they don'tbut still had more fun with 2 than 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBBXknA_-E
>>344534670
Don't be a contrarian.
DMC4's issues are not its nuts and bolts mechanics.
>>344532314
>>344532662
who are you talking about
> you can literally pointblank one shot them all with a Shotgun blast, rolling into each one to save time. Again, because enemies in DMD have less health.
One shot kill skull demons are specially programmed critical hit kills (they are listed in bestiary) and not because their heatlh is lower which is not even true
>>344505518
I think 1 is seriously overrated by some people, but I don't think it's a bad game, not even "given the time". It's a fun game with some pretty damn frustrating elements. It is very obvious tat it's a "first".
>>344537360
Yes it is, it's been documented on VARIOUS sources. Before they DT of course, but that should be obvious.
>>344512583
>>There is a grand total of one battle in the game where I felt the camera didn't provide an adequate field of view, and you haven't reached it yet.
Are you thinking of that bird guy?
>>344535816
Remaking DMC1 would be Capcom's final spit in the face to Kamiya. A remake without the original creator doesn't sit right with me because it was his mark left on the series.
>>344507575
2 is...so bad.
It's not even good to look at as a "so bad it's good" or a "I'm curious". It's awful. It's a slog, it's boring, it's dead. Fuck DMC2, god damn.
>>344505518
>surprised a game from 2001 doesn't feel as smooth as modern games
>from capcom no less
Get good you spoiled highschooler, CUHRAYZEE isn't spoonfed to you in triangle triangle back+triangle triangle combos
>mfw this thread
>tfw all those PS2 games to go though
Welp, time to break out the emulators.
>>344538012
> playing DMC1 on an emulator
i hope you like your jump button on a triangle
from what i understand Capcom USA made that decision to change jump to triangle -- God know why -- maybe to make it consistent with Ico?
>>344537959
>2 is...so bad.
>It's not even good to look at
OST is pretty ballin' to listen to at least
https://youtu.be/Mmx_ycWgfuI
>>344538441
I don't remember it, I guess. DMC2 just makes remember "grey" and "dull".
>>344538339
>from what i understand Capcom USA made that decision to change jump to triangle -- God know whyIt's an arrow pointing up.
>>344538008
>DMC1
>CUHRAYZEE
Yeah ok man whatever you say
>>344537672
Play it on an emulator with some extra resolution and AA, and pretend that DMC3/4 don't exist and you can see why it's rated highly.
>One of the best looking PS2 games; visual aesthetics are really good, nice variety
>Good music, both battle wise (Mental Machine, and Red Hot Juice are great) and ambience wise (Ancient Castle is amazing)
>Most modelling and enemy variety is really good
>Enemy details and environmental inspections really create a fleshed out world
>>344539714
I mean, I played it first when I played the games so it's not like I had comparisons.
After playing the rest, my opinion on it didn't change. It's good for sure and it makes sense why it's so special, but at the same time there was plenty about it I had problems with. Not exactly minor problems either.
>>344507041
That's cringy as fuck.
>>344517910
>all these serious replies to this ancient pasta
Reddit.
>>344540208
List them out anon, we've all got time here
>>344541076
Not the best controls, a little stiff I suppose.
That under water section fucking sucks.
Some enemies are really frustrating in difficulty until you finally get it. I remember this one flying boss making me rage.
Camera's fucked in many cases.
Get platforming OUT OF THIS KIND OF FUCKING GAME (this issue is in the whole series)
I came away loving it ultimately, but people who say it's the best in the series confuse me. I think 3 might be the best overall, and 4 is a contender for best in terms of gameplay (although the content s annoyingly lacking, of corse)
>>344541382
>Controls
It did take a bit getting use to it vs 3 when i did a run of it recently, jumping/dodging has a bit of start up and nowhere near as much i-frames iirc
>Underwater
I liked the idea, but murky, hard to see areas and dumb burst guns are lame.
>Enemies
Griffon 2 is on DMD is legit "you HAVE to learn his patterns and timings and just not engage him in melee. Rest are pretty balanced i thought
>Camera & platforming
They kept the Resident Evil fixed camera style (since it was orig re4 blah blah) and it made a lot of sections fucked, like they but enemy spawns last and didn't think about fighting rather than if it looked pretty. Platforming sucks mainly because of the camera, or maybe i just liked jumping around like crazy.
Yeah people are crazy to say it's the best, your ordering is accurate really
DMC was always shit. Ninja Gaiden was and is vastly superior in every regard. Even Bayonetta is better than any DMC.
>>344542125
>Even Bayonetta is better than any DMC.
Bayonetta's obsession with being as fucking insane as possible renders it the video game equivalent of white noise.
Extremely overrated.
>>344507041
You sound like a faggot who can't enjoy anything. You'll find excuses your whole life.
>>344505518
amazing game op a shit
>>344505518
>I'm a fggot who doens't really like games, Instead I like interactive movies that allow me to press queue buttons.
>I like playing toys made for children (pic related) instead of real games that are challenging.
>Again, I'm a faggot, someone clean my ass for me, I made a doody.
faggot
>>344542125
So what do you do with yourself now that /cgg/ is dead? F5 /v/ endlessly looking for chances to proclaim NG as better than DMC?
