What are some red flags to you for an MMO being bad?
Made in the last 10-15 years
By being an MMO
>>344479708
Existing
>>344480049
This desu senpai
Nexon
Free to play
>>344479708
Bikini armor
gook-made
>>344479708
It's not anime
>>344479708
By being an MMO.
>>344480049
>By being an MMO
This. The genre is fucking dead. Give up the ghost already.
>>344480209
THIS?
Made by GOOKS?!
>>344479708
That looks interesting.
How bad is it?
>>344479708
>What are some red flags to you for an MMO being bad?
Hub based mission selectors.
If they still call it an mmo, in the current year, then yeah. huge red flag already. auto-avoid.
It's just painfully obvious that they want to make something that sells well. If they even cared at all or were serious about ANYTHINg, they'd at least refrain from calling it a fucking "MMO."
Literally nobody plays "mmo." Just make an mmo and market it as something else, don't ever mention that it is an mmo.
Also don't be an asian dev.
>>344480368
this
>>344479708
F2p
Monthly fee
Shit combat
Whats the fucking point?
>>344480719
What MMO isn't F2P or has a monthly fee?
>>344480782
Guild Wars 2
>>344480864
Don't even speak that games fucking name.
Its the biggest betrayal and abomination ever made.
>>344480782
elder scrolls online is b2p
>>344479708
linear progression (pic related) so it doesn't matter how pretty any of the maps are if they're just something you tackle one by one and never visit again, and being too reliant on quests for leveling up which makes it hard to group up with anyone else that's not on the same part of the quest line.
this game really looks fantastic but they managed to screw everything else up.
>>344480782
B2P.
ESO and The Secret World.
> Guild Wars 2
But they are F2P
>>344480864not anymore
>>344481014
Is The Secret World good? Didn't it just get some huge update?
I have been trying to get into MMOs but can't stand how simply retarded they are and how the people play these things can enjoy it
>>344481014
>>344480972
>>344480719
>>344480968
> All these ESO shills
>>344480972
This. The entire world should always be relevant, no matter your position in progression.
>>344480972
IMC is possibly the worst dev I've ever seen
They had such amazing ideas in the beginning
and then they just shat over everything over and over and over again
It was magical to watch
like A:CM but 10x worse
>>344481014
How's ESO doing?
I mean, Todd had a half hour spewfest on it during E3 instead of talking about actual games.
>>344481108
The combat system is really outdated. The game itself is not bad, a WoW clone but with cool atmosphere and decent story
>>344479708
Themepark holy trinity.
>>344479942
Basically, this.
>>344479708
F2P
Nexon
Trion
Aeria Games
Microtransactions
Unrestricted PvP
South America and Eastern Europe not IP blocked
>>344479708
>What are some red flags to you for an MMO being bad?
1. MMO
2. It's not Vindictus
3. MMO
>>344479708
When the devs spend 20 pages singing praises for their PVE and nothing PVP-wise gets mentioned. That's the only red flag I need.
>>344481185
Answering someones question isn't shilling retard
>>344481229
I'm also interested in this.
What ever happened to Blade and Soul and Black Desert.
Used to see them talked about all the time on here, now nothing.
World of warcraft after Wotlk
/thread
>>344481185
>shills
you don't know what means csgo fag
>>344481229
I thought it was out of Todd's hands since it's run more by Zenimax instead of Bethesda
>>344479708
>F2P
>Cash shop
>PVP only
>Attunement for endgame
>Reused skins for armor
there are more.
>>344481503
the shills left.
>>344481229
They've came a long way since release. If you haven't played it yet, wait until fall when One Tamriel will be released. By that time it's basically Oblivion Online where you can fuck off to whatever part of the map you want at any time since everyone will be scaled, say fuck the mainquest and become the world's greatest teacup thief.
>made by and/or published by Koreans in general, or EA, or Blizzard, or Bethesda
>>344481503
I've played both. Black Desert was enjoyable, I'll probably go back to it someday. I got the impression Blade and Soul was just a crappier, more oriental version of BD.
>>344479708
Anime aesthetics.
>>344481651
Look, how's the PVP man? No one gives a shit about PVE.
>>344479708
>ACTION
>>344480968
ESO is oblivion tier graphics with Morrowind tier animations and the shame shitty back-and-forth-swinging combat system that was outdated over a decade ago with a skillbar of 5 cliche trash abilities on top.
And you can't steam refund it because 60 gigs of the game has to install through the client, and Steam Refund doesn't give a fuck that 24 of your 24.3 hours played is installing the shitter.
>>344479708
Being Korean
Tab Targeting
Free to Play
Marketed with any of these words: "massive", "open world", "open pvp", "ingame shop", "sandbox"
Managed by EA, Nexon, Perfect World, etc
>>344480972
I have 4 characters in the 100-130 range but have no fucking idea what to do after mage's tower.
I will say that grinding for literally 20 hours on my Wugushi and not getting the Poison Bow drop was some good RO nostalgia.
>>344479708
the fact that its an MMO
>>344481928
>free to play
explain
>>344481503
Black Desert was okay to level up in, and the crafting can be a decent timekill, but there's literally no endgame. In most MMOs the endgame is that you make a shitload of money to buy armor/crafting mats to get the best gear to do the hardest raids.
In Black Desert you can go "I have a lot of money."
That's it. It has no purpose.
>no holy trinity
The second devs write off the holy trinity in flavor of some stupid hybrid system, it's an insta-drop.
If I was looking for a stupid time dump, because I generally only got an hour or two a night to play vidya, are their any MMOs that are decent?
>>344482587
FF14. Some say ESO.
>>344479708
1. Consensual PVP.
2. LFG and systems that discourage socializing and exploring.
3. No loot between players.
4. Anime art style.
5. Handholding progression in general (e.g. game tells you everything about how to complete quests).
>>344480542
It's a TERA clone that manages to be worse than TERA
>>344482681
Oh lord, I had forgotten Tera was a thing.
Kinda like I forgot Rift still had running servers until last week when someone reminded me.
>>344481803
Depends entirely if you enjoy sieges or not. And you better enjoy PvE because that's where you get the best equipment.
My ideal MMO is set in an open world with no level restrictions on zones.
>single faction
>no levels or experience, instead, certificates and qualifications based on things you have done and training programs you have completed that allow you to do different things during world events
>game follows server-wide progression of events based on a story line in which players assume different roles in real time battles based on their class and training qualifications
>once event is over, it's over forever
>expansions and updates build upon the world story
>maps and topography change based upon world events
>new players learn history of the game
>all zones open to all players, equipment makes a much smaller difference in power as it does in current MMOs
>between world events, follow smaller storylines that tie into word events if you've done them
>no tab targetting
>no instances or dungeons
>no teleporting around the world. Walk. Get a vehicle.
>>344482681
what do you think of TERA?
it's a long download so I'd like to hear some peoples opinions to see if I would try it
>>344482891
Imagine a story that makes no sense that you get pushed through for leveling
A pretty decent look environment
Crosshair combat
With an "endgame" that is solid "pray to RNG the enchanting dust makes your gear to +11 this time"
>>344482831
Grinding for equipment. There should be a better system, for example where you get gear by killing the shit out of other players.
>>344479708
I wanted to try this game out but I can't even get it to launch.
>>344482891
The PVP was fun. The way healers work is you shit out little balls of HP that players run over (in addition to traditional healing spells) which I thought was interesting. The graphics were great when it was new, okay now. Cash Shop is convenient, but not absolutely necessary, but most of the updates are costume bullshit that have nothing to do with the game (schoolgirl outfits, animal onesies, that kind of bullshit). Overall there just wasn't enough to distinguish it from everything else, so I quit. A couple of my friends still get on every century or so.
>>344479708
i think that mmorpg those days don't have any place anymore like they did in the past. people don't want causal non creative gameplay anymore.
they want their brain being stimulated and challenges like in dark souls series any many many other games
bye bye mmorpg? unless they improve combat i just don't see them that.. attractive.
>>344482884
No casual would ever touch it based on your design, meaning it would die in weeks.
>>344479708
Being MMO.
Waste of time, worst than phone games.
>>344483094
Because the Dark Zone went so well. All you do when you make PVP the only option for ideal endgame is making the inevitable slew of BR hax programs focus on the PVP instead of harmlessly raping the econ in PVE.
I want SMT Imagine back.
>>344483263
If you are going to bait, at least spell shit correctly and use proper grammar.
>>344482884
To appeal to a wider audience and round out the game, have domestic zones where players can create their own homes and have social story lines and interpersonal conflicts
>>344482891
Combat isn't too bad but endgame requires praying to rngesus for enchanting success and putting up with deleted/recycled content with the odd new dungeon or two and the occasional new race/gender locked class
>>344483094
That's still possible. It's just that the very very best weapons are gained at a single-player raid/trial.
>>344483257
sounds like a pile of shit
thanks for giving me your thoughts
Red Flag One
>Existing playerbase is extremely hostile to new players
Red Flag 2
>Existing Playerbase is extremely friendly to new players to the point of being creepy (Usually this occurs when MMO's are beginning to die, so older players hang around starting areas helping newbies in the hopes they'll stick it around because they'll think the community is awesome).
>>344483632
The problem with player owned housing is there isn't a lack of real estate, so it doesn't feel like you're accomplishing anything through ownership.
The closest I've ever seen to fixing this is actuallyMinecraft private serversbut that has it's own world of autistic issues.
>>344483905
>Flag One: FF:ARR
>Flag Two: WoW
>>344484014
Guild Wars 2 is currently at maximum Red Flag 2
>>344483632
I've always loved the Player Housing idea, but it is always instanced or zoned, so you can't really show off, unless you invite people over. And No one wants to come look at your doilies.
>>344484014
>WoW playerbase
>being friendly to anyone
The environment in random dungeons would drive away any new player in 10 minutes.
>>344479708
Voice acting. They basically always force you into these cutscene like things every time you try to pick up a quest. Example being Guild Wars 2
Casting abilities makes you lose control of your character, so you're stuck in the animation until it finishes. Example being Tera.
Basically anything that makes you lose control of your character makes the game bad. Floaty control makes it feel awkward too, like in GW2 there's a slight delay when you switch from running to either side to the other that is horrible. WoW might not be amazing, but you basically had 100% control of your character, which felt really good.
If the companies feel like they have to implement voice acting they should make it so that you pick up the quests in the same way as in WoW, but when pressing the quest and after accepting it if you stay in the vicinity of the quest giver you should hear the VA.
Oh and big hitbox thingys like in Wildstar are shit too, looks too ugly.
>>344484014
I disagree about ARR. I didn't start playing until a while after the first expansion, and as long as I didn't beg my guild (random people recruiting in a town) to show me where everything was/help me finish everything nobody inherently hated noobies.
Finding groups for Ifrit/Titan/etc on not-super-hard was annoying, sure.
>>344481675
>>>344481928
>Korean
So much this. It's all f2p cashop gambling grindfests with shitty gameplay, potential malware, and artstyles that would make a pedo uncomfortable.
>>344482345
It's a guarantee that the game has really REALLY grindy shitastic mechanics to 'encourage' (read force), you to pay ridiculous amounts of money in the ingame cashops if you ever want to be competitive or level quickly. Limits on xp gains, chat, trading, auction house, gold caps, etc. Many of them flat out let you buy gear that is unobtainable otherwise and superior to all other gear.
Oh, and because it's f2p, if they don't HEAVILY lock down accounts that aren't paying stuff, it's absolutely filled with cheaters, and bots.
>>344482884
Yes.
>>344484153
Weird, when I last played the asshole-ishness didn't start until near max level.
>>344479708
All style no substance (which is what I feel games like BDO & Tera are)
>>344483632
>have social story lines and interpersonal conflicts
Back in my day, people would just claim maps and world bosses.
>>344481583
>Attunement for endgame
>Bad
>>344484134
Would you rather people break into your house constantly, pokemon/animal crossing style?
>>344484273
It's pretty common to kick people from dungeons if they don't have heirloom gear.
Why has no MMO managed to copy WoW's perfect controls? They seem perfectly fine in copying everything else, but when it comes to the one thing WoW does better than anything else they fail miserably.
>>344484309
worked for wildstar, amirite
>>344484225
I must have picked the wrong day then.
I asked two questions in a general chat, one being about the level when I could change jobs, the other being about crafting jobs, and the immediate response was "Go the fuck away noob, why the fuck are you playing if you can't figure it out on your own." Instead of a simple "Level 15 for job change"
>>344484405
This. Once I also got kicked from a Heroic dungeon on my newly dinged 100 Warlock for doing less DPS than the mythic geared Hunter.
>>344482421
They're adding castle sieges and naval battles soon if you're into pvp
I dont know if theyre adding any new pve content but i hope so
Are there any modern High fantasy MMOs? Preferably with some slow combat. I'm so sick of every MMO being generic hybrid action-esque shit. I just want to do some quests and relax with some nice adventuring.
>>344484405
Really?
Low level dungeons can basically be two manned if heirlooms were involved when I quit, the other three just had to not die and it was over in minutes.
>>344484405
Most bullshit thing I have ever read.
Never been kicked in the lower level dungeons for not having heirloom gear.
If you want to talk shit about heirlooms, talk about how those who don the heirlooms just rush the dungeon because they think they can solo it. (majority of the time they can, it just ruins the progression and 'immersion' of things)
>>344480864
you mean dead Game 2?
Dungeon Fighter Online was good before they nuked the first 55 levels worth of dungeons and replaced it with garbage. Granted, you can level past them in a week, but they're still garbage.
End game is still fantastic, 10/10. It's just that they cut out the journey and replaced it with a bland car trip through the Mojave.
>linear progression with a main story quest that treats you like some chosen one
>>344481928
>perfect world
Please never mention them again, this triggers me so bad.
You would have to spend LITERALLY thousands of dollars on their games to be able to keep up with the top pvpers in their games
Make it like Runescape. There's reasons for everyone to be at any part of the map. High levels still have a ton of reasons to visit Varrock or Lumbridge, and low levels have incentive to travel to Ardougne.
It makes everything more interesting, it makes your leveling path unique, and you aren't pressured into doing dailies to grind exp. If you get tired of leveling up combat, you can level up woodcutting, or thievery.
Runescape was literally perfect. Literally.
>>344484467
Why is Gimp so much worse than photoshop? Gimp would be amazing if they just copied photoshop's UI.
The answer is money. Blizzard has thrown tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars at their interface. They continuously collect metadata about how the UI is used and refine it. All major companies that have had lasting impacts in software markets do this. Microsoft does it. AutoDesk does it. Adobe does it. Blizzard does it.
You can copy the interface appearance, but it's difficult to copy the seamless way things flow, and how there's minor audio and visual cues for mousing over stuff, using abilities, or noting proc effects. They can't copy how everything has a tactile sensation due to all the feedback, even though you aren't literally touching it.
first three tasks are to go kill 15 of this and collect 15 of that
>>344480501
It wasn't even alive in the first place.
I personally think new MMO's shouldn't have combat.
>>344484483
If you ask shout/generals about basic wiki-able questions that take just as long to wiki as they do to ask chat, then yes. You deserve to get shit on.
>started leveling a WAR in FF
>get booted 3 times because I asked "should I know anything for this boss"
I know it's probably like 3 out of the 30 dungeons I did over and over. But fuck I thought FF community was "better" than WoW. It's the exact fucking thing.
>>344484938
Oh good god I hate this shit
I fucking hate this "everyone is super special!!!"-bullshit. It's an mmo, we should just be fucking grunts.
>>344484795
I'd complain except that early game sucked dick for so many reasons:
ghent, not having your full kit when so much depended on it, ghent inverted waterfall, ghent, tower of death for awakening, ghent, spending a full day on spider caves, ghent.
It was like you had to do the vertical map (with extra zombies) of cave of grief guild dungeon for 85 levels
I can live without that.
>>344484602
Will never download again, not worth the trouble.
Hope it goes well though, the game was very pretty.
>>344479708
Emphasis on combat instead of the world itself.
>>344480920
had a lot of fun, and was totally worth money for 200h of enjoying content, now they ruined but who cares i no longer care
Selling point is how you don't have to interact with other players to succeed.
>>344484757
>immersion
>12 year old dungeons
Bit late for immersion, m8.
>>344485078
They intentionally make it worse though with floaty movement and locking you into animations etc
>>344485384
I have just the image to piss you off
>>344485074
Runescape was a highly refined cookieclicker.
I agree about area relevance, but crafting in MMOs has improved exponentially from "click on trees until a fucking genie makes sure you aren't a bot"
>>344483094
Show me games that did this and managed to survive
>Leveling goes really goes
>"The game starts at end game!"
>>344485452
Already have that one in my collection, i'l share a few of mine
>>344485363
It was never a good game, but it was definitely fun fucking around in the pvp maps.
Early on there was so much broken shit, WARs had guaranteed kills, underwater engis, pallys being invincible and dps machines
and of course the danceyard
>>344485676
did you mean slow, anon?
>>344485676
>goes really goes
goes really fast*
>>344485708
Well he's not wrong.
>>344485206
>Just wiki it!
>Just Google it!
>Fuck community
>Chats are for talking about loli porn!
>REEEEEEEEE
You type of people are the reason why Dungeon Finder was implemented, you want zero community in an MMO.
>>344485452
>>344485708
>>344484938
This is one of the things I liked about Guild Wars 1. The main character was important, but you were an accessory helping out the 'named' characters for the most part.
I mean the game has a ton of faults, and the story wasn't exactly great, but it certainly was a nice change of pace.
>>344485452
>Has social anxiety
>Gets triggered by grouping in MMOs
>Still wants to play them.
I don't get it.
>>344482884
>Sorry, we ran out of ideas and events to run after a year and will be shutting down.
>We lost too much money on making this game and the company will be shutting down.
>>344485708
>>344485904
Are these people serious, or just grade B trolls?
>>344484604
Jade dynasty
>>344485842
Explaining it's your first time through an endgame raid is different from wanting to know levels for things like jobchange. The game generates a quest that tells you when it's time for that, there is no reason you need to know it except you don't feel like looking it up.
Having another person who understands the meta for a boss helps the community.
See the difference?
>Made by Koreans
>"Action combat"
>Gender-locked classes
>Races are: human, small human, human with pointy ears, furbait and barabait
>"The real game starts at max level"
>>344485904
i love this
>i didnt buy a massively multiplayer online game to be with other people
>>344486218
And thats why DBM has been required since day one in WoW right?
Because everyone is sooooo willing to teach mechanics.
>>344479708
>korean
>trailer shows more cutscene than gameplay
>>344486625
You still need to learn the mechanics even with DBM.
>tfw idiots keep walking into the wrong color on Xhul'horac
IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING DIFFICULT
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU RETARDS
>>344482884
GW2 has about a third of that stuff, and it's fucking garbage.
>>344485132
Nah, MMO had a solid progression during late 90's to about 2007. Rift was the last MMO that playable. Blizzard is going to be the one who has to push the industry forward and they don't like doing WOW anymore so.
>>344486019
They're real, this is who blizzard has been catering their game towards.
>>344486625
>Lol can you believe ppl don't want to have community and join guilds?
>Omg you want me to talk to my guild BEFORE we're in a bossfight? Why can't I just instantly know all the mechanics while in the fight?
You can't have it both ways.
>>344486397
There's a difference between being with other people and being forced to interact with them. I like playing with other people around and being able to interact with them if I choose to. Just because I like seeing people in my city or when I'm out questing doesn't mean I want to party with them or join a guild. One is more "intimate" than the other. I was always in a guild when I played WoW and I was usually pretty social, but I'm still autistic enough to see where this guy is coming from.
what's the best model for an MMO these days?
monthly fee? f2p? buy2play?
>>344486352
TERA's combat is really great tho
>>344485904
>Went out of his way to make a solo guild so he'd have an edgelord "title"
What a fag.
>>344482884
>>344486828
>GW2
>Kept making excuses about how you didn't need a mount because you could just teleport around
How.. fun.
>>344487046
Yes.
>>344479708
an overuse of bloom to hide shitty textures/meshes.
>>344479708
Can hit the level up in under a week.
>>344479708
>It's an MMO
>>344487248
This is true of basically all non-korean RO clones though.
>>344487149
I mean you really didn't need a mount in that game, especially since you could more or less permanently maintain speed buffs on almost all of the classes.
Game sucked for lots of reasons, but lack of mounts wasn't one of them.
>No dedicated BR containment server
>>344479708
>What are some red flags to you for an MMO being bad?
When the other players are just window dressing for your singleplayer adventure.
>>344487439
This. The one thing ToS did right.
>>344479708
"Amazing singleplayer experience"
>>344487903
>ToS
Which one is this?
When it starts telling you about all the different currencies in the first 30 minutes (in game, cash shop etc)
>>344484781
>vanilla world boss in 2016
>>344487992
Tree of Savior. Horrible goldseller bots spamming from launch because it was f2p, bad cash shop system (you can trade 30 times a month if you use a real-money "token." Yeah).
But about a week into launch they announced a new server "exclusively for South American users, as per forum discussions."
Those forum discussions were the usual huehuehue BR bullshit.
>>344479942
Does KoL count?
>>344485163
second life already exists.
nothing kills an MMO like flying mounts and fast travel
>>344484187
>like in Wildstar
You can turn those off though
>>344487046
I'd say buy to play to keep the troublemakers out, and some cosmetic cash shop stuff.
>>344479708
When no one talks about classes.
This was the biggest red flag for me when it came to black desert online, for all I heard about it, I heard fuck all about what sort of classes there were or what they did, all I heard instead was "WAIFU MAKER"
>>344487149
GW1 didn't have mounts even when you couldn't teleport everywhere. movement speed is part of the build mechanics. it's one of the few examples where they actually followed the original game's philosophy. i'm glad mountfags got btfo, stay in wow
>>344487248
Meant to say:
Can hit the level cap in under a week.
>>344488681
you could get away with turning off your own telegraphs but if you turn off enemy telegraphs and hazards then you're putting yourself at a sever disadvantage. They're not just a crutch for shitters, they're a mechanic of the game that are integral to most fights.
By not being EvE online or SWG
>>344488726
This, all I heard about Black Desert was the character creator, no one seemed to be talking about the game itself just how special they could make their character
Bad PVP, no World PVP, auto LFG system, anti-social community features and of course, crafting endgame instead of dungeons and raids.
>>344488783
I don't understand the hate mounts get at all. I do agree that flying mounts ruin the depth and immersion of it all but at least Blizzard finally got up and said "fine we will make it so you can't have flying until mid-expansion and give you a long tedious unlock for flying mounts"
There are some good sandbox'ish mmos coming, hopefully. As it stands now there isn't a lot out there. It's a meme but a living world is more important than good gameplay (not saying the gameplay should be bad), and community trumps everything else. There isn't anything immersive about lobby based dungeon crawling.
ESO is garbage.
BDO is even more garbage, anyone saying it's a sandbox is not a smart person.
Retail WoW has been dateraping it's playerbase for quite some time.
FF is where weebs and gaylords who can't handle being ganked go, the good news is they can rub one out between attacks.
If you are not playing:
>vanilla WoW somewhere
>UO private shards
>swgemu
>uthgarde
>return of reckoning
>project gorgon
>darkfall new dawn
>gloria victis or life is feudal
>EVE
then you don't even really want to play an mmo.
>>344484469
I think everything about wildstar might be why it was awful anon.
>>344479708
Raiding focus
Generic crafting system
No subscriptions
/v/ knows about it
>>344487004
absolutely. hence "massively multiplayer online" not "massively online". and he bought one with the bingo word in it
>>344489218
I like mounts too but the game needs to be built with them in mind and actually incorporate them as part of the game instead of just being a travel/escape hotkey
A C T I O N B A R S
>>344488428
Best MMO
>>344488391
Fuck, I totally forgot it existed, is it worth checking out at least or is it TOO P2W now?
>>344486019
fuck you i'm like those guys.
I don't want to interact with people if I don't have to, you guys are too damn boring, predictable, full of yourselves, always in need of your peers' validation and ultimately tiresome.
>>344489862
If you just want an oldschool Ragnarok grind with an insanely diverse job system, you can find it here.
If you want the second coming of MMOs, don't download it.
>>344489909
So B grade trolls?
>>344479708
don't know what's happening that pic but looks fun
does it actually suck?
>>344490006
You just proved his point.
>Music is way better than the gameplay
I'm looking at you ToS
>Arena based action combat
EAT A DICK NEXON, WE COULD HAVE HAD A PROPER MABINOGI 2.
>>344490176
Wanna know where Mabinogi actually ended up?mobile card game
>>344490151
What point is that
>>344490006
He just proved your point.
br? pl? pllzzz
>>344489378
I'd say wildstar has the best dungeons and raids around right now as far as those types of mmos go.
>>344490176
Fighting Glas with a mech and having Vindictus' art direction doesn't seem Mabinogi-like though, it was only really Mabinogi by name and Welsh lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvZ1Sju3ZcQ
>>344490394
What.
>>344479708
timegating on content
>>344480049
Unironically this.
>>344479708
Am I going to get flamed for saying this looks cool
>>344490651
Well, when I say proper mabinogi 2 I kinda wanted to imply we'd have something like better graphics (or at least something similar to Peria Chronicles) better servers and so on, just basically Mabinogi but actually updated in everything.
Good to know at least I wasn't the only one to have that feeling, I'm pretty sure most other Mabinogi players had a large enough backlash to it that it got canceled.
>>344490394
Nevermind, disregard, I probably found what you were talking about http://imgur.com/a/0SNj5/layout/vertical#0
>>344481138
One thing that always pushes me away from MMOs is RNG.
If you wanna talk about retarded, a 1/1000 drop from a once per day raid boss that you need to make the next tier of armor/weapons is a good sign to me to stop playing any game, much less an MMO.
>>344481330
Vindictus is exceptional because it actually has good combat (seriously) and gives the player the tools to craft supreme waifu material.
Apart from those things, Vindictus still suffers from typical F2P shill mechanics like daily raids, or the atrocious weapon smithing system.
What's the deal with this game? I'm seeing it get a surprising amount of advertisement for a f2p MMO. It kind of looks interesting from promos but they don't show a single second of gameplay and that's a bad sign.
>>344490982
>Nevermind, disregard, I probably found what you were talking about http://imgur.com/a/0SNj5/layout/vertical#0
No anon, I was talking about this
http://devcat.nexon.com/duel/us/
>>344491628
pretty generic gook mmo but the f2p model doesn't seem to be super jewish
>>344491765
>doesn't seem to be super jewish
It's nexon.
Give 'em time.
And this is coming from someone who thinks their mabinogi one wasn't too bad before they put enchants on accesories.
>>344491739
I bet vindictus was behind this.
>>344489909
Then why play MMOs? MMOs have always been crappy versions of other games with player interaction as the driving force. If you want PVP just play a regular multiplayer game like an arena shooter or RTS or whatever. If you want to dungeon crawl plenty of single player or small coop games to choose from. If you just want a amalgamation of minigames without interacting with people then you could play wario
>mfw I just want to play as a cute kunoichi
When the fuck are these ass hat koreans going to at least give us a release date on this fucking class?
I've been waiting since the game was released
I have a question, and a follow up one. Post-WoW has there ever been an MMO where the gameplay isn't restricted to hotbars and cooldowns? And if not, why not? An MMO with a more open combat system would be amazing.
I know there have been MMOFPSes like Destiny and shit, but has there ever been any MMO with a free and open combat system which doesn't boil down to memorizing who to tab to and what your cooldowns are?
>>344492212
I've been waiting for this too. It'll be out this month though.
>>344492352
>why not?
internet connections aren't good enough for what you want.
>>344492352
ESO has hotbars but it doesn't have cooldowns, instead big abilities usually just have big costs
>>344492373
Info on ninjas/kunoichi will be released next week
http://dulfy.net/2016/07/07/black-desert-ninjakunoichi-coming-early-next-week/
>>344479708
Any sort of Microtransaction shop that involves passive buffs and shit
Any sort of Themepark element of any kind.
Any sort of bullshit handholding
separate PVP and PVE servers
Many MMO's that are free to play often have poor support and cater to members via passive buffs and shit like EXP
>>344492352
>Post-WoW has there ever been an MMO where the gameplay isn't restricted to hotbars and cooldowns?
Yes.
>but has there ever been any MMO with a free and open combat system which doesn't boil down to memorizing who to tab to and what your cooldowns are?
Yes.
Here you go: see image.
Enjoy action combat without any cool downs on any weapon skills.
>>344492212
I honestly wonder how long will Black Desert hold out before it turns to f2p and goes to hell
>>344492565
Mana regen is your skill cooldown, it's basically the same thing.
>>344491105
Yeah, I've gotta agree.
I could care less if its a 1/1000 for some rare cosmetic item or something, but if its an actual item that you need to progress in the game the fuck that noise.
>>344479708
Free to play and Microtransactions
Literally even mediocre MMOs used to be fun before this shit happened.
>>344479708
>What are some red flags to you for an MMO being bad?
It's not WoW
>>344485950
The games often promise the concept of being the hero of the world. And when you're talking about the generation where everything has to be catered specifically to them... who cares how the game is actually designed.
>>344479708
you are the chosen one
>>344492906
So when is it coming out in the US?
>>344492737
Also
Themepark Bosses like in GW2 where you just show up and "beat" this "boss" and collect XP and loot from.
Fake or artificial economies that don't have real supply and demand. This is especially annoying since artificial supply means price fixing and price fixing is not an adequate means of an economy.
>>344493063
never
>>344479708
>janky animations (movement immediately starts as soon as you touch something with no lead in animation or delay, #1 sign of shitty korean mmo)
>click to move
>no active dodging
>shitty hitboxes
>a "combo" meter/counter
>using skills/attacking roots you in place
>no stealth system
>using a skill locks all your other skills for some time period
>"combos" that are just pressing 1 button multiple times
>subscription fee
probably a fuck ton more too
>>344492709
FUCK! FUCK YOU ANON!
Fuck. Fuck man. I was planing to play the new Vindictus class next week. Got fucking dammit. Why did you show me this anon. Fuck.
>>344492906
Reminder: Phantasy Star Online has never been a MMO. Same for games like Vindictus.
f2p
p2w
asian
skimy armours
>>344493063
Some time between never and the heat death of the universe.
Korean's the big one for me.
>>344493238
>Vindictus
lmao
>>344479708
You can't evade skills, everything is target-based.
>>344488428
>those stick figures
there isn't anythinglewdin this MMO?
>>344493147
>>344493289
Very funny
Really though, when?
>>344493063
>So when is it coming out in the US?
You know.... I always thought you anime/waifu fags stay up to date on anime/waifu shit. The fact that you ask this question tell me that you don't know there's been an English Patch for this FOR OVER THREE YEARS now. I find it insane that you didn't know this.
And besides... why would you want to play on the US servers when you can get all the latest content on the JP servers.
>>344479708
poor class balancing in pvp.
>>344493520
Why would I want to play with those filthy elevens?
>>344493259
>PSO2 isn't a MMO
Cool it punk. I am not about to have this discussion with you anon.
>>344479708
Publisher/developer, free to play, and pandering to niches.
>>344492939
The game itself isn't even bad its just the developers are retards
>Holding content from the west because reasons
>Instead of nerfing broken classes like wizard, sorceress and rangers they buff them because reasons
>Not communicating with players:
:Hey when are we getting this? It's been out in korea for nearly 5 months
>Daum: soon
>>344488428
Bro back in college ('09) tried to get me into this. He gave me a turtle pet and some other stuff. I didn't get into it because I had classes.
>>344493451
>Very funny
I wasn't joking.
>>344493702
>there is someone on /v/ who ACTUALLY believes that PSO2 is an MMO
>>344492962
So you want a combat system with no resource management basically? Including straight up cooldowns
>>344493238
BDO is basically an open world Vindictus anyway
>>344493949
I wasn't the poster you initially replied to, I was just pointing out that "wait for your mana" isn't really different from "wait for your GCD."
I mean, TP is a thing that exists in FF:ARR for example, but you never run out (because bards exist)
>>344493859
Why isn't PSO2 a MMO
>>344493657
Ship 2 has enough english speaking players that you never really have to interact with japs.
>>344493702
There's nothing to discuss. It's flat out not a MMO and I don't see the problem with that.
