Why did it work in Alpha Protocol, but not in the other games?
Timer and reasonable descriptions of what you're actually going to say.
>>344400026
Because Obsidian was the one that wrote it for that game.
>>344400026
Because choices actually matter and it has replayability because of that.
I've played though this game like 3 times until I found outthat Scarlet is an assasin.
>>344400026
>>344400026
>most broken part of the shitty bugfest that is alpha protocol
>why did it work
g8b8m8, ir8an8
>>344400396
Isn't he dead?
>>344400026
because fuck all else did. It's the Obsidian way
>>344400396
how was the dialogue wheel broken?
specially how was it more broken then the buggy gameplay?
>see Alpha Protocol thread
>wanna play
>remember atrocious gameplay
>drop it
Why is it like this
>>344400396
When this chink is gonna die already. Never liked his face and himself.
>>344400617
Play with pistols+melee+stealth, literally the way it meant to be played.
>>344400645
father figure to shut-ins of a certain flavor worldwide
like le marvel comics man, maybe
I wish there would of been an alpha protocol 2. Could of been amazing.
Too many people couldn't handle rpg mechanics for guns though
>>344400026
beacuse they put though and care into it.
>>344400542
it has the same problems as any game which uses this style of dialogue system
you don't know what the character is going to say, so you don't know whether a witty sarcastic comment is appropriate or way the fuck off what were assuming the character would say
sure it wasn't as bad as Fallout 4, but that game absolutely botched it
Because it gets around the problem most dialogue choices have in games, the inability to determine intent and tone from text, by telling you what the dialogue's intent and tone is.
It also has a time limit which makes conversations feel better.
And Obsidian is just better at writing than other devs.
>>344400753
>would of been
>Could of been
>>344400026
Obsidian magic
>>344400026
Shaheed looks like David cross in the thumbnail.
>>344400026
>play as a Professional most of the game
>old Russian mobster respects that and volunteers that he was the weapons supplier the first time I meet him
>don't get drawn into conflict with him later
I like how they really did make your choices matter.
>>344400026
Why was it acceptable to have one word choices here but not in Fallout 4?
CHECKMATE FAGGOTS
Why do people say Alpha Protocol was a shit game?
I loved it. Made you feel like a real spy, some GOAT characters like sis and SIE, a romance system and a pretty cool story. I will say fuck the boss fights though. Some of that shit was ridiculous.
>>344401128
It plays like shit, but the RPG portion is great. Similar to Planescape: Torment
>>344401025
I've knocked out his bodyguard anyway, than shot him in the foot. I don't remember my reasons, but I think he lied about something important.
Also, Grigori sells you out, unless you pick Suave options in the bar.
>>344400352
What the fuck was his problem?
>>344401128
you can defeat every boss within seconds if you have chain shot
>>344401049
>>344400026
>>344401128
It would have been better as interactive movie. So many branching choices, telling different stories, such a complicated plot, but combat is pretty shit. Also, if you invest into pistols+stealth, the game becomes a literal cakewalk.
>>344401128
Melee combat felt surprisingly satisfying.
>>344401506
> tfw when you beat russian boxer in a fistfight
It you do it, Michael's lines are different afterwards than if you used guns.
>tfw best girl is the only one you can't romance
Not that I wanted to romance her. She was too adorable for that shit.She was like asisterto me.
>boss fight to coked-up Russian teenager
>TURRRN UP
>THE RAAADIO
fuck yeah
>>344400709
Shame bosses are near impossible to defeat with a stealth build.
TURN UP THE RADIO, I NEED SOME MUSIC, GIMME SOME MORE
>stealth
why would you even, when you can play Shotgun Psychopath and the game recognises and rewards that
>>344401669
If you're using stealth build, you are obviously doing a pacifist run. Which means that you invest into pistols, which have the most overpowered ability in the game, chainshot.
How on EARTH did you have trouble with bosses with a stealth build?
also the world will never know whether Steven Heck was really operating on a level nobody even knew of, or whether he was just a lunatic who convinced himself he was super-duper-CIA
>>344400026
timed dialogues are so fucking shit
>>344401778
Sorry, I remember now, I specifically meant the helicopter at the end
THANKS FAGGOTS JUST WHEN I HAD SOME FREE TIME ON MY HANDS.
NOW I GOTTA GO PLAY THIS SHIT AGAIN.
>>344401846
It's pretty obvious he was just a crazy guy.
>>344401997
Shut the fuck up Wei
Don't make me get the funnel
>>344401846
You don't get miniguns installed into trains by being a random nobody. Steven was obviously well-connected, even Hallbech tried to approach him.
This thread reminds me that I'm really looking forward to Tyranny. When the fuck is that game coming out? I want a proper release date.
>>344401974
This is why many devs try to put them in games, right?
Timed choices are great for high stakes situations, it keeps the pace flowing and prevents awkward pauses. AP is mostly about high stakes.
Can anybody briefly sum up what was Parker's endgame? Leland wanted to cause a war so Hallbech can profit, but why did Parker play along?
>Operation Turbo Panther
>Operation Latex Turtle
>Operation Angry Bees
>Operation AAAAAAAAAAAA-YEEEOW
>>344402229
>sounds fun
>won't be as generic as PoE
>will use PoE's engine though
Fuck.
Call me when they'll start working on the new VtM game or something.
>>344401687
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THOSE FUCKING MAGAZINES. STOP MASHING TOGETHER GUN PARTS THAT DONT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!
>>344402329
>le poe is le generic
>>344402354
>being this autistic
who cares what the clips are, it shoots shit nigga, its a video game
>>344402507
>it shoots shit
guns shoot bullets you retard
![EW-ARCHER-WALLPAPER_612x380_0[1].jpg_itok=qVP62ZEW.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Hau0F1z.jpg "EW-ARCHER-WALLPAPER_612x380_0[1].jpg_itok=qVP62ZEW.jpg")
Archer game by obsidian when?
>>344402265
To strengthen America and protect its interests.
>>344400026
>tfw thinking of someone to say to Milla Tong
>take the Suave option
>Thorton says the exact same things I would say IRL
Goddamn such a badass Mike.
>>344402329
Nothing wrong with PoE's engine as long as they improve those load times.
And PoE was great, fuck you.
>>344402605
How exactly World War 3 accomplishes that? Parker couldn't possibly know the outcome.
>>344402229
>no Sawyer
>can play as an enforcer destroying rebel scum
>>344400281
Wut how do I uncover this
>finish it
>storylines are interwoven like a crazy
>read up
>it goes even deeper
>>344402443
It's beyond fucking generic. Like someone tried to remake dnd but make it as bland and boring as it was humanly possible.
>Haven't you ever heard of anger management?
>NO BECAUSE I KILLED ALL MY THERAPISTS
I love how this game lets you be a 12 year old
>>344401646
>best girl
>Daddy issues incarnate
Whatever you say
>>344402697
I think there are two ways to learn that. Scartlett can tell you it if you have a high reputation with her, and you can learn it from Omen Deng (but if you do, I think you lose the opportunity to do something else important).
Oh, there's also a third way - if you decide to fight Leland, Scarlett will try to kill you.
>>344402741
>le poe is le bland
>>344402676
>no Sawyer
That's good how?
>>344400864
No it was always pretty consistent in tone, the wheel was organised by tone. You could be suave, matter of fact, etc, and those never shifted in position. Either you didn't play the game or are misremembering it, there was literally never a point where you could say something and have it be reacted to differently than how it was represented on the wheel
How did Mina pull alpha protocol on Thornton and why did everyone play along?
I never understood the plot of this game, did AP specifically get Thornton on board to use him as a scapegoat or what?
>>344402229
I just want another game like alpha protocol
>>344403009
Mina faked Thornton's defection and organized a witchhunt on him, specifically so he will go rogue, turn on Alpha Protocol and bring it down. At least, that's how I remember it.
>>344402676
>>no Sawyer
The fuck happened?
>>344402638
>And PoE was great, fuck you.
I didn't like it that much, but I'm glad it keeps Obsidian alive.
Same engine means same cancerous rtwp combat for Tyranny, which is a problem for me.
>>344402845
Mind blown
>>344403109
Hmm makes sense, and did AP play along with Leland from the very beginning or were they just coaxed into it?
I remember reading there is an ending where you kiss and make up with them but what does that involve?
>>344402901
Of course after he royally fucked up PoE with his horrifying balance decisions.
He should never take part in the development of fantasy games.
>>344402640
He explains it when you talk to him on the big screen in the final level.
"Halbeck's interests had to be protected because it's our interests"
"I was asked to isolate events in the world and create triggers that would benefit america."
China grows more powerful by the day. They are Halbech customers as well. If they are reliant on Halbech, they are reliant on us. Even better, if they can be lured in action in Taiwan, it buys us time to build strength."
>>344403139
I dislike the combat but love how it looks
I just wish they'd get better artists doing character models for the love of God
>>344403139
>The fuck happened?
His balance autism happened.
>>344401687
Easily the best boss fight in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAJV2va9V9A
>>344403242
Yes, AP pretty much worked for him. Or, rather, for Parker, but Parker aligned himself with Leland.
I don't remember if there's an ending where you kiss and make up with AP, but there is an ending where you replace Marburg as Leland's lapdog. You can also betray him in the last second and create Hallbech of your own, with blackjack and hookers.
>>344403242
They were ordered to cooperate with Halbech in recovering their stolen missiles, assassinating Shaeed, and then later in killing Thorton. Halbech intentially lost the missiles in the first place to give them a reason to take control of AP. Halbech ordered the airstrike on their missiles when Thorton found them, to tie up a lose end before they moved on to doing their shit in the rest of the world.
>>344403460
Best ending. Achieved friendship (+10) with Leland and allied with him, only to say that I don't need him anymore in the end - then prove it by listing all of the allies that I've earned during the game (G22, Shaheed, Surkov, SIE, Steven Heck and others). You then punch Leland in the face and leave him with nothing, while you sail off into sunset with your asian waifu to create an empire of your own.
>>344403460
>>344403569
fuck that's a lot of depth, I still dream at night of a enhanced version and sequel
>>344403749
>asian waifu
Terrible.
>>344403908
> fucking with an assassin and Leland's lapdog
>>344403908
>Mega Bitch working for Leland
>Seventy year old tranny
>Mute with Daddy Issues
>Fuckin' Madison
>QT asian gril who always had your back
Seems like a no-brainer
>>344404148
Madison breaks up with you (one way or another) and you can't romance Sis (her plot seems to have been cut a lot, because it doesn't really go anywhere). So the choice is even clearer, really.
>>344401981
which is why there are rocket launchers located in that specific area
>>344403908
>TFW I deliberately let Mina die so I can get the boat ride with Scarlet ending.
>>344404028
>NOT fucking an assassin
Is this spy-fiction or what?
>>344403264
Also,
"Rome was a reminder to the rest of Europe"
"Moscow was a necessary distribution center"
>>344402845
Yeah if Deng tells you then you lose out on talking to Parker about his daughter.
>replay this a week ago
>get a shit tonne of scenes I missed with Sis, that posh cunt in italy and a few minor changes I never noticed before
I swear every time I play this I find something new I missed in a previous play through.
>>344400026
The biggest question I have is why does this game have no fucking mods? The main character looks like a fucking mongoloid.
>>344404028
She kills Leland herself if you don't get her as a handler and you try to leave Leland alive. He never paid her.
>>344404391
But talking to Parker about his daughter isn't necessary to turn him, right? I think that having all his dossiers and high reputation with him (which means doing certain plot missions in the "correct" way) is enough.
>tfw there are probably aftermaths that still haven't been uncovered/documented
>>344400709
Or, you can run shotguns and explosives.
>>344404487
I don't remember it's been a while. This game has so many moments like that. For instance my friend didn't believe me when I said you can kill Marburg in the museum.
>>344400724
but kirby has been dead for years
>>344404586
Killing Marburg in museum is impossible, if you don't play a Suave character AND pick some very specific dialogue options, so I completely understand your friend. Also, killed him there on my first playthrough.
Am I the only one who would want to play a game like this but it doesn't have all the bullshit combat in between? I guess it would just become a visual novel at that point.
>>344404487
You need a neutral or above rep, you need to spare every major character you can. Deng, Brako, the other russian guy, the muslim etc. Then you just tell him how badly you messed up his calculations and he sides with you. If you find out about his daughter and she is killed he ends up trying ot kill the bloke responsible. Not sure if he sides with you if you save his daughter or not.
>>344400026
>shit gameplay
>even with stealth and pistol the game is still shit
>blatant waifu shit
>choices are all don't kill the bad guy and they will help you later on
>ending are all boat riding to the sunset with your waifu of choice/or alone
Shit game with no redeeming quality, it really goes to show you RPG neckbeard faggots have no taste whatsoever no one should ever listen to you.
>>344404718
It would probably be better as a VN
>>344404607
oh, you
>there are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who let Albatross die in Brako's mansion
what the actual fuck
also
Russia>Taipei>Rome>Arabia
>>344400941
The entire reason that I came into the thread.
>>344402873
He is right though its really boring.
The lore is fedora as fuck so it doesn't look believable, the enemies are boring as fuck and as far as I remember choices and consequences were almost non existant.
I became really dissapointed after it especially after playing new vegas and alpha protocol.
>>344404658
I did 3 playthroughs where I tried to kill Malburg. Finally got him to commit on the final try. It really sucked the fun out of the game, though. You need to be Suave McDick to everyone you meet and do Rome to completion first thing. You also need to be sloppy and kill tons of people in Rome.
I normally like to switch between the hubs to do the starting "talking" missions and unlock all the gear.
>>344404883
sorry anon but
Rome > Taipei > Saudi > Russia
>>344401646
>Sis was supposed to be a romance option
>cut due to her being underage
MEANWHILE IN JAPAN...
>>344404834
You just need a high rep with him. I kill the muslim terror leader every time and still always convince Parker.
>>344405078
Being a kiddy fiddler is not ok.
>>344404718
I enjoy the gameplay. I guess you aren't really into games for the gameplay?
Alpha Protocol is like Decker: The Videogame.
>>344405078
Nah, she was in her 20's. It was that despite that one of the team members felt uncomfortable due to her and Thortons age-gap
>>344405023
But Suave Thorton is the best Thorton.
>You also need to be sloppy and kill tons of people in Rome.
What? You just have to piss him off enough.
>>344404883
This is correct.
>>344404883
>Not siding with Albatross at first to get the top tier stealth suits and pistols, then siding with SIE for the top tier combat suits and assualt rifles.
Doing the Brako mission with SIE is more funny, too.
>>344404148
>a gook who set you up
fixed that fot you
>>344404241
>Romance Mina
>Accidently go the wrong way in final mission and let her die
>MFW
literally no fucks given.Rome girl, russian chick and Sis confirmed for best waifu, slutfu and jailbaito
>>344405329
You piss him off by building a reputation as a shitty "loud" agent before meeting him. Doing things like killing the gelato guy, sniping tons of people in the sniping mission, and killing CIA agents in the CIA mission will make Malburg mention these things and give you dislike points.
>>344400617
It's just the crouching and pistols that are bad.
>>344405617
Everyone needs to play the full armor, completely loud, kill everything asshole Thorton route at least once.
>>344405548
>Alpha Protocol literally has a female on male rape scenario
I don't know what SJWs are fussing about. I enjoyed being raped.
>>344400026
Why don't more games adopt this dialogue style?
Alpha Protocol's dialogue system feels so organic and real, it's fucking great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDIqUM76Tg
>>344402229
same
the lack of classes and gaining experience through actions really interests me
but I'm skeptical, I don't think they'll pull off the "evil" shit properly. I mean every game has murder. If they want the game to have any sort of impact it has to have some fucked up shit imo.
>>344405989
Fallout 4 tried it and they failed miserably at doing a good job.
>>344406169
>Fallout 4 tried it and they failed miserably at doing a good job.
What? Fallout 4 isn't timed, and there's 3 "yes" and 1 "maybe" option every single time. That has nothing to do with Alpha Protocol.
>>344405351
The first time around I played the mansion with G22 as allies. The contrast when I replayed the game and chose the VCI was pretty hilarious.
>G22 infiltrates the mansion, all sneaky and operator-like
>VCI just bursts through the main gate with an APC and mows down everyone they see
>>344404028
>not just killing leland and getting his sweet baretta
>>344406236
No, fallout 4 has sarcastic, rude, and professional responses. Just like AP.
>>344406614
The game ends when you kill Leland. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>344406621
t. didn't play AP
>>344405617
I did none of those and still killed him in Rome on my first playthrough, senpai.
>>344405023
That's just wrong, though. You can avoid killing a lot of people in Rome, if you do Russia first and befriend SIE (Marburg doesn't like it one bit, and you lose 2 reputation with him for that). Being Suave McDick is still mandatory to kill him in Rome, though.
suave>agressive>professional
>>344406679
mixed up marburg and leland. I think you can get marburg to side with you at the end.
>>344406913
> Not doing a hybrid run and manipulating people, behaving Agressive with Steven and SIE, suave with Marburg and Grigori, Professional with Albatross and etc.
Why wouldn't you play the game the way it was intended to be played?
>>344407084
> Not picking Suave options with Albatross
It's hilarious. I've allied with G22, but still couldn't achieve full friendship with Albatross, because he just hates majority of suave options.
> Mike, the time is limited, so say whatever you need quick.
> Okay, I need... Wait, are you on a plane?
> Mike.
> Oh, right, right.
>>344406768
I did. I think you didn't play FO4, though.
>>344407084
I like how the game calls you out if you do this with certain characters being aware you're pandering to them.
>>344404237
I know but try to aim for a moment without getting wrecked
>>344407213
If you're doing a stealth build you have invisibility bruh.
>>344407208
Let me guess, Leland brings that up?
>>344401646
That's the essence of a proper waifu. Waifus are pure and not to be sexualized in any way.
>>344407351
Marburg does in your first meeting, I believe.
>>344407273
invisibility doesn't work against choppers because the game considers them an electronic device like turrets.
>>344407273
Looks like I'm gonna have to replay it.
Not like I'm going to have a bad time.
>>344400096
Maybe it makes sense in the context or something, but looking at the screenshots... your options are pretty fucking vague.
>>344407084
because suave has the best lines. Palying the game how you're supposed to is good for one run, but kinda boring. Also Heck responds to both suave and aggressive.
>>344400000
The game was pretty good in the story department. The gameplay was lacking and needed more time.
>>344407507
yeah you have to play it. if you knew what he had just said then you would know what you want to pick.
>>344403749
>punching Leland in the face
>instead of giving him the mine
>>344402443
Your mom is generic, fucker. I hate you so much, holy shit! I want to fuck you in your fucking boypussy until you die of aids.
>every Alpha Protocol torrent has a trojan in it
suffering
>>344409963
>thinking torrents are the only way to pirate games
Even in piracy you are a complete failure.
>>344409963
Get it for super-duper-cheap during Steam sale season. Also, legs
>>344409963
>pirating a great game
Woooow.
>>344407436
Wouldn't flash bulb work then? Can't remember now
Worth buying for cheap on PC?
Part of me wants out all the skills/paths but then again I remember it being pretty poor gameplay wise and glazed with Obsidian bugs
>>344400281
That was probably one of my favorite twists in the game
>>344413396
Doesn't she admit to being some kind of superspy during Taipei?
>>344404148
>Sexy Redhead Lois Lane Reporter Chick
>Aggressive Milf who has no problem taking what she wants
>Sweet yet creepy mute with good fashion sense
>Madison...
>Half Asian chick who may or may not have screwed you over and just covered her tracks really well
Anon you know who is best girl
But seriously, who was in the wrong here?
>>344414245
Heck is never wrong.
>>344400396
I only had one issue bug-wise with the game, and that was in one mission the savecheckpoint was visible by enemies.
>>344409963
>Pirating Alpha Protocol
Support Obsidian man they are the kings of sequels. Imagine how great the sequel to an original game of theirs(Alpha Protocol) would be. They're already doing south park
>>344414245
He should have just told Heck were his keys were earlier.
>>344400026
Because it didn't sell well and /v/ is full of hipsters
>>344412316
nothing works, choppers can always see you no matter what. i guess it's because in real life they have thermal imagery.
>>344414562
Poor guy dies, if Steven has a good relationship with Mike, since Heck frames Wei for all of Mike's crimes.
>>344413821
I think she hints at doing "side work" well reporting but its the main character who gets asked his occupations and the options were oil baron(which she didn't like) and secret agent(which she liked and brings it up later during Taipei/Final Misson.)
Which missions did you guys like playing in order?
For me it was Taipei>Russia>Rome
Rome just felt like the best ending point imo
>>344415081
logically the order would have been backwards, Taipei then Rome then Moscow. since the assassination is the most pressing issue, and then a possible Al Samad terrorist attack in Rome, and finally in Moscow you're just investigating weapon shipments.
>>344415694
That's also the order difficulty-wise. Taipei is fairly straight-forward, Rome is a little more involved, and Moscowturns up the heat.
>>344415081
Same, mainly beacuse Braiko always kicks my ass unless i let Heck poison his coke.
>all these different choices and ways for things to work out
>never get to experience any of them because they're hidden behind awful gameplay
>>344415852
i was pretty disappointed when i realized you can't take that sound system into your other safehouses.
>>344416184
Holy shit that screenshot.
>>344400026
Because the options in the wheel were consistent:
>Professional= Matter-of-fact, patriotic, humanitarian, humble
>Suave=Sarcastic, smug, pragmatic, flirtatious, sly
>Aggressive= Blunt, violent, angry
Once you understood what each of the three options meant, navigating a conversation was easy.
