Is Smash part of the FGC? Does it even need to be? Discuss
>>344363084
fuck off
No. FGC members bathe.
No and honestly the Street Fighter community is the only community in the FGC that even has a slight clue about hosting a decent tourney.
It's pretty much already apart of it whether people like it or not. It wont stop it from getting everyone to hate each other.
the only reason smash is at fgc tournaments is because their autismbux pay for a giant chunk of the venue fee. otherwise, the community is completely intolerable as a whole and would not be missed. it's a shame that they're kept around because the autismos come out in swarms.
Reposting argument
>>344323161
I will never stop fighting for Melee to be considered a fighting game.
I don't think the naysayers understand how much more skill and technical prowess is required for Melee. Just look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8
Instead of needing 4-6 buttons for different punch and kick inputs plus the stick for most fighting games, Melee has a button for a smash attack, a button for a special attack, a C-stick for tilts (4 buttons), a jump button, a grab button, and a shield button. Not to mention the precise timing needed to wavedash and L-Cancel and all the other tech. Let's not forget the mindgames involved. Since most fighting games rely on an HP-based system and force you to fight in a small box, Melee has more freedom. The tables can turn at any point of you edgeguard strong enough and if you make the right predicts, not to mention how fast Melee is meaning you have to think really fast.
People often harp on us for clinging on to a 15-year-old game, but that just means Melee has more longevity instead of you fightingfags having to cash out every time a new shiny game is released. Melee has perfected it's craft while you guys have to relearn and relearn whenever a new game is released.
Face it, even if we don't get approval as a fighting game, we will still be more technical and overall BETTER than any fighting game that exists.
We aren't just Melee players, we are technical Gods.
There are only 3 fighting games: Street Fighter, Smash Bros, and whatever flavor of the month is hip right now. No I don't care if you don't like smash it's lasted longer than your favorite fighting game has (RIP Soul Calibur).
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/23/inside-evos-super-smash-bros-divide
>And where does that perception come from? The easiest answer is to just sit in the audience from beginning to end during grand finals on Sunday. Smash players fill the front rows early, a few games away from Smash to make sure they get seats (as one does at any con really), and then the moment Smash Melee is over, they all get up and leave. The point isn’t that they’re taking up space, or that they should stay and watch out of respect or anything, it just illustrates a simple fact: the Smash community by and large doesn’t care about anything else going on at Evo.
Smash 4 is, Melee is a bunch of autistic children that can't let a thing go for over 15 years and think they are better than everyone else.
What I don't get is why Smash fags even want to be part of it.
They're just an annoying group crying because they didn't get invited to another annoying group's party
>>344363496
Not even smash creator agrees with you, fuck off to your party game community and stop wasting space on my Evo
any competitive smash bro that is obsessed with the idea of smash being accepted by the FGC as a dying genre are nothing but FGCucks themselves
pay them no mind
>>344363616
True, Smash 4 is the same slow-ass autocombo shit as SF. Melee is in a league of its own.
>>344363506
Where's the love for Tekken? Also, wasn't there a rumor a few months back that there was going to be a Soul Calibur VI from Namoc and Virtua Fighter 6 from Sega? I want to fucking believe!
>>344363889
>SF
>autocombo
k
>>344363836
>Where's the love for Tekken?
Pokken is the best Tekken, honestly.
>>344363616
Reminds me of Third Strike fans when SFIV came out. Most people eventually moved over, though.
>>344363616
>Smash 4 is
not any better tbqh senpai
Smash is under the general fighting games umbrella only because it brings in a lot of money and viewers. The communities for FGC and Smash do not interact in any way at tournaments though.
You can see KI players also play and interact with SF players, MK players chat with GG players, but you will never see smash players take interest in anything but smash.
>>344364047
>move over to a shittier game because it's shinier and big daddy capcom will shill it
Literal cucks.
>>344364006
Doesn't hurt to like both
>>344363084
Nah this whole thing is dumb. Some falseflagger copypasta'd some old af shit, FGC cucks fell for it, and then they started getting mad that their tournaments arent good enough for Smash players. Smash and FGC have always been seperate, the majority of people in both have never wanted some stupid merge, even though Smash is just as big at this point.
>>344363278
Would rather deal with the occasional autist who smells funny than all the ghettoass nigger and spics of the FGC
>>344363084
I don't think it is, and judging by the entrants at Smash specific tournaments like Big House and Genesis I don't see the argument for Smash "needing" the FGC in any capacity.Are Melee and Smash 4 in the same community?
>>344363084
Melee needs to stop putting meme commentators on for top 8.
Scar and Toph are nothing but "hey remember that one time, that shit was nutty". And HMW and Phil are bothing but Shiiieeeet and Hyuhyuhyuhyu. Webs and D1/Crimson Blur should be the only people to do Top8
in the FGC, nobody beg for shitty nerfs
>>344364047
There hardly were any SF3 fans when SF4 came out,though. Most people's reaction to SF4 being announced was "Wait, there was a 3?"
>>344364187
>The communities for FGC and Smash do not interact in any way at tournaments though
Top kek
JWong was crying because Leffen didnt wanna talk to him
nobody whine over "command inputs" in the FGC
>>344364245
No, Melee and Smash 4 are different communities. There's barely any overlap between them besides a few.
>>344364231
>occasional autist
the bathing autist is the rarity in the smash community, the smelly spergs are far more common.
No and no.
Smash is more than large enough to sustain itself at this point and seriously ruins a lot of tournaments for smaller games.
>GG players watching finals on a phone.jpg
at least fighting games have playable colossal fighters
smash can't handle anything 2big in the battlefield.
>>344363084
No. Nobody in the FGC complains about how much people make if they top. They put in the work and actually try to aim to be the top player
>>344364435
I don't give a flying fuck about what happens regarding Smash 4 myself. I'd be fine with 64 being at my tournaments though
>>344364410
The communities, not celebrities, retard.
>>344364410
Wong's a fat faggot struggling for relevancy as usual.
>people want Smash to be part of the FGC
keep them away from our turf amap
>>344364567
>literal whos matter more than the community leaders
>>344364609
Literally the best SFV player within NA tournaments is struggling for relevance huh
>smash fans
>>344363496
>every attack comes out with the same properties all the time in smash
>light, medium, and heavy all have different properties and all affect the properties of special attacks depending on which one you use for a special
>b-but smash has depth
>FGCucks
>>344364746
>Tr4sh fans
Fixed.
>>344364746
good press != good compensating sales
i thought people taught you how to use critical points on a function
>>344364743
>SFV
>Wong ever having long lasting results
>>344364383
There were. Before SF4, there were plenty of SF3 and even SF2 tournaments going around. When SFIV hit, everyone was hyped. However, there were some SF3 fans who disliked SF4 because it was slower and less technical in comparison. That was quite some time ago, though.
>>344363749
I dont get it either. Smash and fgc dont interact, they dont share same values, they're different. Why they want to be a part of something they don't align with is beyond me.
Melee fags during GG top 8 at CEO
>>344364743
SF is a Japan dominated game though.
>>344364743
Maybe for Marvel, but definitely not SFV.
>>344365054
*Stream monsters
>>344364825
>SF movement is walking back and forwards at 0 mph
>Melee has the fastest, most fluid, complex movement in the history of fighting games
>b-but SF has depth
>>344364746
Look dude, we get it, you follow scrubquotes. Can you fuck off already? Noone cares about your random reddit screenshots of people who dont enter tournaments
>>344364410
Why would anyone want to hang out with that whiny, disgusting, fat fuck?
>>344364746
Ryu isn't even that difficult to play in Smash.
>>344365054
GGfags are vile monsters
>>344364825
>>every attack comes out with the same properties all the time in smash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO-23cQqmJ4
Tell me what this is then? Hes clearly using the same move but it has different properties in the third hit.
>>344364840
t. Smash player
>>344365363
At least GG players aren't going around shitting in pools and taking reserved spots for other games.
>>344365137
Just like most other fighting games.
>>344365450
Hell yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTnGADJ3gRI
>>344364487
were you there? it was pretty hype in its own way being gathered around a phone
not to say that shit should ever happen again
>>344365450
>>344365530
t. FGCucks
>this is the embodiment of the Fighting Game community
>go to locals
>they didn't fall for the "smash and traditional fighter players should be at war with each other" meme
>>344365750
Bunch of dudes having fun while a couple guys have some banter. Guess they should have been mumbling stuttering and shitting themselves instead.
I'd rather hang out with FGC than literal autists any day.
>>344364675
I mean, Mike Ross can felate Scar all he wants, but thats not gonan change that vast majority of smash players at these events don't play other fighters or mingle.
>>344365783
>>344365783
Really only /v/ falls for this shit and that is because this place is crawling with brand loyal cocksuckers.
>>344365727
Top 8 for a decently popular game should not be Melty tier poverty because of fat autists who segregate themselves from the rest of the community.
>>344365783
Noone who attends tournaments acts like anyone in this thread. /v/ talks big but its easy to see who actually plays and whos just here to be a monkey/stream monster
>>344365750
Hell yeah, that shit was awesome. At least no one in the FGC is being catfished by girls who aren't real and crying about it on stream. At least people in the FGC aren't making cringy rap songs.https://youtu.be/KhsOW-_TwfU
>>344365750
A retired marvel player beat a retarded streamer in a series of matches that required more thought and skill than any match of smash ever played. How does it feel?
Why else do you think Smash fags begged to be in the FGC?
Fuck that. Wizard and Cannon bros sold out. Blame them for Smash drama.
>>344365961
At my locals people play Melee, 4, and various traditional fighters, these threads feel like an alternate universe
>>344365783
>go to locals
>they only play smash
>>344365961
/v/ is a game in and of itself. I don't play either and just come here to shitpost since it's fun.
>>344365932
>>344366008
gotta love licking the drenched cum of /pol/'s best shitposter, doesn't it FGCucks?
LOW
>>344366157
What are you even talking about?
>>344363084
Smash is a fighting game by-definition. It has a community. Therefore, it is part of the "FGC".
>>344366157
I'd legitimately rather hang out with LTG or Viscant than Leffen or any other melee pro really.
>>344366275
>Smash is a fighting game by-definition.
Define 'fighting game' for me.
>>344366157
TIER
>>344366136
And the only other game there is SF.And a strangely prominent Tekken fanbase
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XYaguC1.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>344366396
TOAST
>>344366396
>each player's goal is to beat the shit out of the other players' characters while avoiding having the shit beaten out of theirs
>>344366157
I imagine this is coming from personal experience?
>>344366275
Smash isn't a niche genre filled with filthy hood nigs
>>344366275
And dota's an rts.
>>344366546
no. that what FGCucks do
>>344366396
A game of hand-to-hand or weapon-based combat between narrative equals. (This separates it from brawlers, where your opponents are typically nameless or underdeveloped fodder.)
Therefore, fighting games include everything from Street Fighter to Smash to wrestling and MMA games.
>>344366526
That defines 90 percent of all multiplayer video games. Goldeneye with choppers only fits that definition. Try again.
For reference, the roguelike genre definition has a pretty specific list of features.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike#Key_features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEX46xLmpI
>the fighting game cucksmunity
>>344366770
Dude this video is fucking hilarious, how dare you.
>>344366635
Dota is a subgenre of RTS. It's also colossal shit.
>>344366669
So personal experience then, got it.
>>344366719
By your definition, Overwatch and TF2 are fighting games.
Most top players barely consider the Smash scene as being part of FGC. While Smash can be considered a fighting game, the communities have very little mingling outside of events like CEO and Evo.
>>344366896
>worse touhou
fuck off
>>344363084
The only place that contests it's validity is /v/.
Nobody else gives a shit.
>>344366834
Smash is a subgenre of fighting games, I won't finish the rest.
>>344366734
>Try again.
Why don't you try, big guy? There is such a thing as non-traditional fighting games, Melee is one of them. It retains the core of the genre (neutral, footsies, combos) while adding its own superior flavor.
>>344364609
>#1 in CPT points
>struggling for relevancy
ehhhhh?
>>344366972
I'm sorry, could you retype that? I think your cum-slurping addiction's throwing off your keystrokes. Thanks in advance.
if a community is shitty enough to divide itself one two games in its own franchise you know there's an issue
>>344363084
Does it really matter? Both Melee and Sm4sh are at major fighting game venues, and due to the money and hype they generate, Smash games aren't going anywhere, no matter how many purists whine about it.
So just watch what you wanna watch, participate what you wanna participate in, and ignore the games you don't personally care for.
reminder that the FGC defends this piece of shit of a game
>>344363084
Well any Smashbabby will tell you:
>ITS A FIGHTING GAME BECUZ I SAYS SO!
>Who cares what the creator said? If he called an apple an orange, would you believe him??? ;^)
It does not count as part of the genre, nor does it even follow most of the genre conventions. It is, by definition, NOT a fighting game.
But money talks and EVO will have it as part of the event, so that's enough for Smashfags to say "yeah we're part of the FGC deal with it"
>>344367084
4 people with less points than him have qualified and he hasn't
Americans grasping at straws
>>344367128
Melee players aren't cucks who feel the need to felate the newest game when it's shit.
>>344366906
Thank you for the correction. I'll try being more specifically pedantic in the future.
>>344367006
Dota is a subgenre of RTS because it's taking the scale of RTS and stripping it down to an action game. You think Smash is not a fighting game because it doesn't fit your very specific notion of fighting games despite being a genre of fighting between individuals.
>>344366549
>talking shit about ultrachen
how fucking dare you
and who are those nerds on the left anyway
>>344367171
>>Who cares what the creator said?
Correct, it's called Death of the Author. If you were even a tiny bit cultured you would be familiar with the concept.
>nor does it even follow most of the genre conventions
-combos
-option selects
-footsies
-high/low shielding
-teching
-anti airs
Sure it doesn't bub. Stay deluded.
>>344367398
I think not having health bars disqualifies it right off the bat to be honest.
>>344367273
FGC has the best casting in all of esports barring maybe Tastetosis.
>>344366425
Love pics like this.
EVO 2015 main stage peak viewer counts
• Ultra Street Fighter 4 - 248,663
• Super Smash Bros. Melee - 211,393
• Mortal Kombat X - 190,535
• Ultimate Marvel versus Capcom 3 - 177,057
• Guilty Gear Xrd -Sign- - 131,337
But yeah. thanks for paying the venue, i guess?
GOD
>>344367493
What the fuck do think teching is.
>>344367562
>I think not having health bars disqualifies it right off the bat to be honest.
Which would eliminate genre forefather Karate Champ right off the bat.
Bear in mind that genres are not a science. Far Cry has stealth and driving but we almost always think of it as an FPS game. As long as the general tenets are in the same ballpark, we tend to be okay with that.
>>344367493
>combos
Only the first two games, Sakurai was so triggered by them that he had to remove them
>options select
Items is one of those options, and no other game has the choice to enable RNG boxes to drop.
>footsies
That's not a design choice, that's a tactic.
>high/low shielding
fair
>teching
not intentional
>anti-airs
fair
I also meant that it doesn't have HP bars, in-match combo counter, doesn't have standard Bo3 format built in, and you have multiple lives and platforms to jump on.
>>344367262
Like he said: divided community.
>>344367493
>it's called Death of the Author.
t. PMfaggot
>>344367970
Sometimes. Other times we can be pedantic. A CRPG and an ARPG have a decent amount in common but we don't call both isometric rpgs, we categorize them.
>this is how the FGC act
>>344366549
Lol dat nig at the top left corner and whitey far right second row looks the same
I used to play melee and go to tournaments all the time but now I mostly play FGC games like SF and guilty gear. The two communities are completely separate and never interact. There is no reason for smash to be considered a part of the FGC.
>>344367493
>footsies
Barely similar to footsies in traditional fighters
>high/low shielding
Not used often except for angling shield downwards on platforms. Not at all similar to high/low blocking in traditional fighters.
>teching
Not sure how this makes smash at all similar to traditional fighters.
>anti airs
Smash kind of has this but again, it's not too similar to traditional fighters
Why can't smash players admit it isn't even close to traditional fighters? I like the game but you're trying to make it into something it's not.
>>344368019
>Only the first two games
Talking about Melee specifically, but Brawl and Smash 4 have combos.
>Items is one of those options
Can't tell if I'm being trolled or you legit don't know what an option select in fighting games is. Probably the latter.
>That's not a design choice, that's a tactic.
It's a convention of the genre.
>teching is not intentional
Are you retarded? Teching is when you press L/R before landing to prevent a hard knockdown.
So not only have you not played Melee, but you aren't familiar with traditional fighters either. Nice
>>344368192
The terms CRPG and ARPG are also unnatural terms and tend to imply the very specific mechanical underpinnings of the genre. (Which is why a term like MOBA is stupid, because when you say MOBA, everyone knows you're talking about a game based on the very specific mechanical underpinnings of Defense of the Ancients.) "Fighting" isn't particularly ambiguous, though.
>>344367212
#1 through 5 positions qualifyI don't know the exact number, but I know that having high points qualify
>>344368019
>People still memeing that smash 4 doesn't have combos
>>344367262
>more entrants Melee
Melee are the true cucks, the "worse" game gets more attention and has a better community
>>344368472
Where did I state anything in Melee was exactly the same as traditional fighters? That would be a bad thing. The point is that it retains the core fighting game mechanics/tactics, just making them much more complex and freeform. It's a fighting game by definition.
>>344363751
>my evo
Sakurai already acknowledged the precision needed for Melee
>>344368834
*entrants than melee
>>344368859
Yet he tells you to go play an actual competitive game, Virtua Fighter
>>344363306
Dont be dumb. KI tourney was rad as fuck and even shitty MK has a fucking league
>>344369060
Too bad it's dead.
>mfw melee tournaments give their "top players" a free pass from pools
>>344368604
I prefer specificity in genres. Why have shooter when we have TPS twin stick and FPS, it's just more accurate.
>>344369272
Leffen's requests for the most part were reasonable but I agree with the skipping pools thing.
>>344369078
>KI tourney was rad as fuck
>Dude, how about, get this, we give out certificates BEFORE the finals
But yeah it was pretty rad. Every character was present in the tournmanet
>>344368858
You're trying to say it follows the genre conventions of traditional fighters, but anyone who has spent a decent amount of time playing melee and other fighters can tell you they play nothing alike.
I mean for fucks sake in smash you can turn and face away from your opponent and there aren't health bars, super meters, high low mixups, throw mixups, invincible reversals, etc.
>>344369417
*but I don't agree
>>344369272
Because smashkids just want to see their "gods" play for the hype. It's practically WWE.
>>344369417
All those requests were absurd. Those requests make sense at Smash majors but not at fighting game tournaments
>>344369302
I don't see any problem with that. We have 2D and 3D fighting games, we also have "simulation" fighting games (MMA, wrestling) and whatever-the-hell you want to call Smash (fighting with an emphasis on variable arenas). All I was doing was trying to show that Smash can be associated with that group.
>>344369628
A big name drowning in pools is a beloved event in most games.
>>344369774
I won't argue with that, I'm still not sure they belong at the same tournies though. There's a very minimal crossover between fans, it just seems kind of forced.
I can't wait for the salty smashfags to try and stick around for SFV top 8 so they can try to boo it on national television.
They're still mad that ESPN is only covering SFV.
>>344370017
Smash would elianate any views from watching it. The matches take way to long compared to any other fighting game. Plus if Puff or Peach is played, it would be a slog to watch those matches
>>344370190
not to mention the stigma of fucking jigglypuff being a character people play
>>344370190
ESPN is also providing green rooms for the SFV top 8 and doing interviews with all the top 8, doing a review of pools all the way to top 8, and will have Mike Ross and Combofiend on air to talk about what's happened at Evo for SFV and CPT up to Evo.
>>344369468
>You're trying to say it follows the genre conventions of traditional fighters
It does.
>but anyone who has spent a decent amount of time playing melee and other fighters can tell you they play nothing alike
Irrelevant. To make an Action game analogy, Devil May Cry and The Wonderful 101 play completely differently but they share similar fundamentals just like Melee and other fighters.
>mean for fucks sake in smash you can turn and face away from your opponent
And? You can also do this in some anime fighters like P4A.
>health bars
Percent is functionally similar it's just way more volatile. The more you get hit, the closer you are to dying.
>super meters
It doesn't need every single FG mechanic.
>high low mixups
Melee's shield angling lets you mix up your opponent with high or low hits, not sure what you mean here.
>throw mixups
DI mixups are functionally similar.
>invincible reversals
Literally spacies' down-b, the best move in the game.
>>344370424
I'm glad Evo is finally getting this treatment. Mr.Wizard deserves it after all these years
>>344370659
>after all these years of taking company bribes and only putting on the most populars.
I mean, at least we know that money didnt all go to mcribs.
>>344370659
It gets even better.
All that CPT up to Evo review content, with the interviews, the Mike "Mike Ross" Ross content, the pools to top 8 stuff?
That's all airing during the Smash top 8.
The melee players will have to live knowing that ESPN and other outlets will be airing Street Fighter V content, talking about SFV, and talking about SFV players while they're doing top 8.
>>344363084
It's not a fighting game, so no. Seeing as how they cried their way into EVO, though, I'm sure the manchildren believe they are.
>>344370983
think they'll be busy watching their top 8 and not sperging over a game they dont follow
>>344371010
Brilliant a rgument. "It's not a fighting game because I say so".
>>344368019
>he doesn't know what an option select is
>>344371202
They've been sperging over SFV getting ESPN coverage since it was announced.
>>344370430
You can turn around in the air in p4a. not quite the same as being able to dash and perform ground moves in the opposite direction.
In melee i can't think of a move that could poke the top of someone's shield other than an aerial that is easy to react to. Shields are usually angled low to prevent d-tilts. Not much of a mixup. Your shield covers most of your character anyways, and you can just roll to avoid this so called "high low mixup"
>DI mixups functionally similar to throw mixups.
No. DI mixups are part of a combo. Throw mixups are a part of pressure. You haven't played traditional fighters if you think these are similar.
>Spacies' down-b as an invincible reversal
Sure the move is invincible, but it isn't a true reversal. If you tech -> down-b as spacies you are still vulnerable before you become invincible from the shine. Shine out of shield isn't a true reversal either since you are vulnerable during prejump frames.
>>344364520
>A tortured soul with autism
pro bait right here
>>344365054
dang I'm not in there
>>344371728
>You can turn around in the air in p4a. not quite the same as being able to dash and perform ground moves in the opposite direction.
Yeah, Melee definitely expands on the typical limited movement of the genre.
>In melee i can't think of a move that could poke the top of someone's shield other than an aerial that is easy to react to. Shields are usually angled low to prevent d-tilts. Not much of a mixup. Your shield covers most of your character anyways, and you can just roll to avoid this so called "high low mixup"
I never said high low mixups are useful, just that they exist.
>No. DI mixups are part of a combo. Throw mixups are a part of pressure. You haven't played traditional fighters if you think these are similar.
You're right, shine grabs are definitely a throw mixup though.
>Sure the move is invincible, but it isn't a true reversal. If you tech -> down-b as spacies you are still vulnerable before you become invincible from the shine. Shine out of shield isn't a true reversal either since you are vulnerable during prejump frames.
Not exactly the same, but close enough.
The only point you're making is that these Melee mechanics aren't exactly the same as their traditional fighter counterparts, and I agree. It's a good thing. Still a fighting game, just a non-traditional one.
>>344372376
I think i misunderstood the point of your posts. I believe melee is a fighting game but it is very distinct from traditional ones. My point is the FGC and smash communities are separate and the games should be put into distinct categories like platform fighter and traditional fighter.
This is a bit of a reach, but does anyone have that song that was playing at CEO? It was something about Ryu and it was screaming Hadouken and Shoryuken.
>>344365228
>>344363496
>He doesn't know about Guilty Gear or MvC2
>>344363506
>she really believes that
>>344365007
Fags don't know that, it was just slightly before streaming became a thing.
>>344372985
They still have less complex movement in comparison.
>>344364005
You can't escape them, so they are auto-combo in comparison to Smash.
>>344373829
yeah and smash has less complex pressure and oki in comparison. Not saying one is better, but they are just different games with a different focus.
>>344367170
If you can't ironically play shitty fighting games, then you're not a real fighting game player.
>>344365305
Hence, formulas that you learn in high school and aren't even that complex.
>>344363084
>this thread again
fuck off, you got your answer before.
>>344373829
You didn't play them right? Especially MvC2.
>>344366008
>At least people in the FGC aren't making cringy rap songs
>>344375023
Too young to remember that paki Redrapper?
>>344366157
>so triggered by the /pol/ boogeyman that anyone who disagrees with you is now from /pol/
wew
I don't get any of this. What happens if the FGC accepts Smash? Or the other way around, or however this is supposed to go? Does anything actually happen/change? So far, all I've seen is that Smash players are discontent with the rules set by actual fighting tourneys, in which case they can just not show up and set their own events. There are Smash-only events, right? So what's the ultimate goal/conclusion here?
>>344375195
>So what's the ultimate goal/conclusion here?
Only butthurt smash fans know. It's funny because most pro smash players don't even care if smash is considered a fighting game or not.
>Or the other way around
what
>>344373945
Do you even know what an auto combo is?
>>344363084
no, smash is a party game
>>344365054
>caring about twitch chat
one time i punched this guy irl and he tried to DI but he just fell to the ground and then i ran over to kick him in the head
afterwards he said that irl fighting isn't deep enough
>>344363496
I agree that smash is a very technical game and has its place at tourneys.
It's also not surprising that the majority people who play it are of the younger demographic because it's Nintendo babyshit and the game is more accessible than other fighting games.
Smash is easy to play but hard to master.
Whereas games like SF, MvC2, etc... are more challenging to play casually, not as fun when playing casually, and difficult to master.
Overall I prefer to play smash and Mortal Kombat over other fighters because they are easy to pick up and play and I can have fun with them without spending 1000s of hours mastering a single character.
>>344363084
No, no.
Stinky fucks GET THE FUCK OUT
>>344375772
Eh no. SF, MvC2, are fun to play casually too. You can literally mash buttons in Marvel games.
>>344376009
>mashing buttons is fun
...
>>344376009
There is absolutely nothing fun about mashing buttons, having extremely limited control over your character, and winning by chance.
That's not what any fighting game should strive to be even when played casually.
>>344376009
You are just reading what you want.
>>344376009
I remember when I first played Marvel 2 in arcades and I chose nothing but villains. I think I chose Magneto, Doctor Doom, and Sabertooth. I fought against some fat mexican dude who happened to be the top dog at the game. I didn't know how to play, so all I did was mash buttons. I ended up beating him twice. He got extremely pissed off at me and left. MvC2 is a crazy, broken mess. I still love it, though.
>>344373945
I say good day to you sir
>>344376419
So? People mash buttons in fucking Smash when playing casually too.
>>344363084
Why the fuck is there so much discussion about Smash being apart of or trying to be in the FGC what's going on
>>344376009
>>344376552
>button mashing
>fun
Why the fuck are you faggots even in this thread.
>>344376552
when I was a kid my friend who didnt play fighting games beat me at marvel 2 by mashing. that was the start of me wanting to actually learn how to play and not be satisfied with doing my super sometimes by accident.
>>344364825
>>every attack comes out with the same properties all the time in smash
>not understanding knockback and percentages
A b-air at 0% is MUCH more different than a b-air at 50%
>>344376720
Because OP is a fag and keeps spamming his thread
>>344376657
If you read my previous post you'd see that I said that Smash is more accessible and easier to play.
When playing casually the controls are very simple and it's easy to control your character without button mashing. In addition, because of the lack of inputs needed to perform a move button mashing is simply not effective and unnecessary.
Most people resort to button mashing in other more traditional fighters because they panic or they do not understand how to input the correct combination so they just face roll their gamepad/controller until they pull off the desired move.
>>344376747
>>344376512
>>344376419
So you guys never mash buttons to do supers in MvC2 and 3? Okay, enjoy not having your extra damage.
Or even AHVBx3, because you actually have to mash buttons to do that shit.
So fuck off.
>>344376747
>Fun
Nigga, I never said it was fun. That just happened to be the first time I played the game. I was more frightened about that fat Mexican cunt trying to do something to me for winning than I was trying to enjoy any form of the game. I was just a fucking kid back then. I've learned the mechanics as I grew up, so I'm fairly decent at the game now.
>>344377110
I don't think you understand what button mashing means.
Button mashing is just randomly pressing buttons in the hope that you will win or pull off a move. It's a desperate act for people who do not have full control over their characters.
>>344377059
Dude, you're talking as if traditional fighters are harder to play casually.
It's not.
>>344376847
That sounds like something that happened to a friend of mine. Practically the same thing happened to him and he got to learning MvC2 and UMvC3 like crazy. He's much better at the game now. I could never beat him.
>>344377286
I never said they were harder to play casually, I said they were not as fun.
I do not find it entertaining to randomly press buttons and hope that my character will do something cool or pull of an insane combo. I do not find it fun to memorize move lists and practice doing those move for hours until I can cleanly pull them off in a pvp match.
I enjoy games that are more intuitive and allow you to discover the ability of the characters without as much frustration or boring process.
Competitive smash fags tend to be pretty terrible people desu.
>>344377231
Then you misread me.
Basic stuff in Marvel games are super easy to do because of lenient inputs and buffers. Supers, DHC, THC, small chains, etc. You just roll your face on the stick/controller and shit happens. You can easily pick them up casually.
Besides, some supers in MvC2 and 3 require the player to actually press buttons repetitively like a 5 years old child to do extra stuff (mostly extra damage, but Cable's needs to be mashed to move the laser beam so that he can link his super into the same super).
>>344377952
>you just roll your face on the stick/controller and shit happens.
Why the fuck would I want to do this? That is not fun. It's not fun playing a game when you do not have control over your character because then it feels like you are winning by chance and there is no reward in that.
>>344363084
>Melee tournaments seed the top players past pools
No and no.
>>344377601
For hours? Who the fuck takes hours to practice specials, supers and combos and memorize movelists?
>>344378287
Key word
>cleanly
You should fully read posts before replying.
>Smashies scream and shit in pools, hallways, push turds through cracked car windows and throw it around hotels when their game is delayed slightly
Smashies need to die
>street fighter
two characters on a two-dimentional stage throwing punches and shit at eachother
>mortal kombat
two characters on a two-dimentional stage throwing punches and shit at eachother
>super smash brothers
two characters on a two-dimentional stage throwing punches and shit at eachother
I swear you guys are even more autistic then those lolbabbies genuinely trying to distinguish league of legends from dota 2.
>>344378147
Anon, unless you got serious problemes or you're baiting me, traditional games don't take hours to practice simple stuff. Even if you wanna do them cleanly. You are overestimating the execution floor of those games.
All that stuff come while playing. You'll see.
Do SF4fags treat SFV like Meleefags treat Smash 4?
Genuine question.
>>344378880
no because street fighter players needs to follow what capcom tells them to play so capcom can feed their tournaments so they dont drop below the poverty line again
>>344378880
There are no SF4fags.
>>344378817
Alright man, I'm not a competitive player so I'm just going off my own experiences.
I'm actually playing SFV right now trying to get good but I get my ass kicked frequently when playing ranked.
>>344378880
no.
SFIV is dead now, at least as a tourney game. We'll have to wait another 5 or so years before it becomes retro enough to make it back in.
I don't watch melee ever, haven't touched it since I got a gamecube for my birthday back in 2002, so I won't comment on that.
But I made the mistake of watching Sm4sh for a little bit at CEO. Good fucking god, that is so far beyond boring, idk how the flying fuck anyone can watch/play/have a single fuck to give about that piece of shit. I guarantee you that if that shitshow of a game wasn't filled with nintendo characters, nobody would touch that garbage.
>>344378880
No, the best SF4 players moved on to SF5.
>>344364538
You act like the top 30 players of melee/Smash4 don't live and breathe this game.
Hugs is right to bitch that someone getting 7th at evo deserves more than 100 bucks.
>>344379071
this
SFV fans will always eat up the next instalment in the series even if they continue to bitch about it for months on end upon initial release
>>344366425
SF is the esports sub community of the FGC though.
>>344378880
Don't be mistaken: SF4fags and SF5fags are equally belittled by oldschoolSFfags.
>>344363496
The different types of punches and kicks combo in to the many different combos that require presicise timing and spacing to pull off.
Smash's life system sucks for one reason. Someone can be easily killed with little no damage.
Lastly, when you watch smash players fight for territory on the field it just seems autistic... They run back and forth in the smallest area. As seen around the 20 second mark in this video: https://vods.co/v/wxlrpk?position=6&list=5lgCzlDfiGmQmil4r_YBG4NyUyc5HdJwBRpbHz2vwlk
In a competive fighiting game there is a clear reason as to why players make the choices they do. See this video:https://youtu.be/IKj5NMnc05Q
In short smash is made for players to be able to jump in and play with out having to think about their moves so much. Where as a fighting game takes a person that thinks not only about their next 5 moves but their opponents as well. Smash is fun but it does not fit in the fighting game genre.
>more faggots are playing SF5 and UMvC3 than there are Melee and Sm4sh crossovers
>t-they're literally the same game
FGCucks everyone
>>344379369
Valle and Daigo love SFV though
>CEO might be moved from June to mid August
Probably a better move in the long run so that there can be a larger venue but fuck now it conflicts with shit I need to do then.
>>344378880
SF4 is dead they still run tournaments but the winners have been like Wolfkrone and Nuckledu.
>>344378880
We're in the transition phase between games. There are those that swear by 4 and are basically stuck playing 4 the same way there were a lot of pros that fell by the wayside in the transition from 3 to 4 and just like the transition from 2 to alpha and 3.
It happens pretty much every time.
The only thing really hurting SFV as far as the 4 to 5 transition is no arcade release in Asia. I have no idea why arcade releases are so important, but that's hurt SFV in Korea, China, and Japan more than the shaky launch did.
>>344379372
Sorry the second link should be this
https://youtu.be/IKj5NMnc05Q
>>344379649
because the japanese live and breathe their fuckin arcades
also the game being complete shit doesnt help much either
>>344379414
I liked it better as the last major before Evo.
everyones gonna blow their loads on Evo, and we're expected to be hype for CEO right after?
They need to space this shit out like WWE pay-per-views. putting wrestlemania an summerslam right next to each other is madness.
At least CPT finals are in the winter.
>>344379775
>SFV
>shit
>>344379775
Nice opinion bro. Next you'll try and quote infiltration from 9 months ago.
>>344379775
everytime someone says "X game is shit" it turns out they play something fucking stupid anyways so feel free to try more alternatives.
>>344366549
> 1 side is the player's, who normally aren't in front of Camera's
>Other is all Casters. Mostly league caster's by the look of it.
This pic is retarded both in the context of how OP is using it and the tweet itself.
>>344379158
It might be that transition phase, coming from Smash to SF. It happens to everyone and even the reverse does.
>>344379926
>>344379929
>>344379986
I like how all of you felt the need to ignore the actual fact in my post.
The japanese LIVE in arcades
If capcom goes bankrupt tomorrow there will never be SFV arcades and you can bet your college tuitions that game is dead by the minute, its already on lifesupport over there. The only reason they're playing V is because they're sponsored to do so.
The americans will start organizing more locals with multiple SF titles and people will go to their favorites and no one's favorite SF is SFV
>>344380469
okay bro. whatever you say. You can keep praying for USF4 to be relevant again even though everyone in the tournament scene except for Phenom and K-Brad hated that game by the end of its life.
>>344380469
I thought SFV didn't get an arcade release?
>>344380450
I haven't played smash since the N64, I'm mainly coming from Mortal Kombat and DoA. So yeah, it is definitely the transition phase.
>>344380469
I'm >>344380635 and I misunderstood what you were saying
>>344380469
yeah all those random people at tokyo button mashers were sponsored.
every single japanese person at evo is sponsorsed.
you're right dude holy fuck.
>>344368505
>His definition of teching.
Are YOU retarded? How is what you said "Teching"?
>Teching is when you press L/R before landing to prevent a hard knockdown.
What is this? How is this teching? This is merely a reaction to a knock down, like how you quick rise in SF. Teching is a prediction of a sudden change of tactics and basing your reactions of that prediction. Seeing a bunch of hits go low but then you suddenly stand up and there's an overhead? That's Teching. Being under pressure and seeing a dash, immediately hitting Throw, that's teching.
Maybe that's Smash's definition of "Teching" but that's not even comparable.
>>344380626
>>344380854
The game is only 6 months old. Im not praying for the return of ultra, im just calling a shit game shit. I highly doubt it can keep up the momentum but if im wrong im wrong. Of course this is easily fixable by just playing ST, 3s, USF4 and V at tournaments but the SF community has all got ADD or something so they cant sit on a game for long
>>344381117
Does tech roll ring a bell?
>>344369078
>shitty MK
>>344377059
casuals don't just methodically and strategically press buttons just because something is "more intuitive" you autistic sperg
you really are homeschooled
Don't see why smash should even want to be a part of the FGC when it has the potential to make the whole FGC irrelevant.
FGC is like network tv. Melee is like a premium cable series.
>>344363751
>Not even smash creator agrees with you
The Smash creator can't even organize menus properly.
>>344379412
2 of how many other top players?
>>344379208
>idk how the flying fuck anyone can watch/play/have a single fuck to give about that piece of shit
maybe try playing it if you're actually that confused
