I will never stop fighting for Melee to be considered a fighting game.
I don't think the naysayers understand how much more skill and technical prowess is required for Melee. Just look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8
Instead of needing 4-6 buttons for different punch and kick inputs plus the stick for most fighting games, Melee has a button for a smash attack, a button for a special attack, a C-stick for tilts (4 buttons), a jump button, a grab button, and a shield button. Not to mention the precise timing needed to wavedash and L-Cancel and all the other tech. Let's not forget the mindgames involved. Since most fighting games rely on an HP-based system and force you to fight in a small box, Melee has more freedom. The tables can turn at any point of you edgeguard strong enough and if you make the right predicts, not to mention how fast Melee is meaning you have to think really fast.
People often harp on us for clinging on to a 15-year-old game, but that just means Melee has more longevity instead of you fightingfags having to cash out every time a new shiny game is released. Melee has perfected it's craft while you guys have to relearn and relearn whenever a new game is released.
Face it, even if we don't get approval as a fighting game, we will still be more technical and overall BETTER than any fighting game that exists.
We aren't just Melee players, we are technical Gods.
>>344323161
so you're autistic
Why do they look like K-On! characters?
>>344323212
I'm not autistic, it's just that through the years, Smashplayers have been bullied by fightingfags because we're not "real fighting games". Don't expect us not to fight back after all these years.
Watch out.
>>344323312
Uhh no. They're styled like anime characters, not just K-On.
>>344323161
All smash games are fighting games already you autist, FGCggots will never stop crying they aren't, so who cares. Smash will ALWAYS be at EVO, APEX, etc, and there is nothing they can do about it
So because starcraft has more APM and you fight against each other it should be considered the most technical fighting game ever?
>>344323498
They look more like K-On! characters, like all that guy's drawings.
>>344323507
>always be at evo
Your top players are doing everything they can to make sure that won't happen. Or have you not been keeping up with that?
>>344323532
Starcraft is an RTS.
>>344323161
>People often harp on us for clinging on to a 15-year-old game, but that just means Melee has more longevity
More like your communities refusal to play other games because you can't abuse glitches
>>344323161
>all this autism for a 15-year-old party game
>>344323161
melee is fun. who fucking cares what genre people want to call the game? It's at the major events like EVO, right? what do you stand to gain from arguing semantics?
>Melee
>Fast
HA
HA HA HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1D1tegeRaY
Smash Bros. isn't a fighting game and those "athletes" you admire so much only still play it because they make money off idiots like you.
What's with this making them look like moe anime characters
They're not even that cute irl
No wonder people think Meleefags are autistic
>>344323653
IT'S CLEARLY A FIGHTING GAME GOD. I'VE SPENT NEARLY 20 YEARS TELLING PEOPLE THIS.
>>344323161
You also have to have a character that is tuned to do all these things. It's mostly just the same characters and it's going to stay that way. If your character isn't as fast as the others, then what's the point?
>>344323161
Lol if this isn't pasta well done. I would leave off the bit about being gods at the end, really the only tell.
>>344323161
Is this the birth of an epic new pasta?
>>344323987
Yeah, next time I post this I'll leave that out. My intention was that "we are technical Gods" because it could have been a WE WUZ KANGZ worthy meme, but I guess not. I was also fishing for more (You)s with that last line.
>>344323731
Someone gets it.
>>344323161
Melee is a fighting game. You are literally getting trolled by people who say it isn't and you are falling for the bait. I play traditional 2D fighters and I personally respect the amount of skill, execution, and longevity your scene has and it is still growing. The reason why most of the rest of the FGC don't like any of you can be summed up in your post. You are all elitist, you all smell like shit, a good majority of you are autistic or have aspergers and don't know how to function in public and are worse behind the internet. You will never get the respect you all deserve if you keep putting other fighting games down and raising your own up through bias. Don't give us your opinion on why you think Melee is "better" then other FGs cuz you will just alienate people who would give your scene a chance. Give respect and you will get it in return.
Melee isnt a fighting game in the traditional sense, but i must give the players credit because it requires the most skill to play imo.
Matches arent restricted to the ground and movement is very quick. The game is literally Improv: The Game.
why does it matter whether or not melee is a fighting game
0/10 bait.
Next time don't take a shit in the pool.
>>344325604
Because they "want the respect" of fighting game players, but then they turn around and diss the fighting games the fighting game players generally play by saying things like how Melee is better and more technical
Even if OP is bait, this is an actual serious POV held by a lot of faggot Meleefags
>>344323498
>Watch out.
I can't take you seriously with all that autism in one post
>>344325407
You could say the same thing about Hisoutensoku but you don't see people claiming it's the greatest fighting game ever
So when is EVO?
>>344325926
Because it's objectively inferior due to not being developed by Nintendo, who puts the most love and care into their games.
>all traditional fighting games are shit!
>please please please consider Smash to be a fighting game
As someone who plays and loves both, I've never understood this.
By the way, you can put all the time and energy that you put into shitting on trad fighters/Smash toward getting good at it instead. After all, both are good and enjoyable in their own ways, and you will spend your time being having fun instead of being angry.
>Face it, even if we don't get approval as a fighting game, we will still be more technical and overall BETTER than any fighting game that exists.
This right here is why I hate melee faggots.
You fucking autists don't play anything outside your own shitty game, let alone traditional fighting games, yet proclaim dumb shit like this. Even Sm4sh are more bearable than you cunts.
I can't wait until tournament organizers get sick of you and drop you, the sooner the better.
All fighters are cool. It's a genre where you don't have to worry about your shitty teammates letting you down.
>>344323161
daily reminder
>>344327004
>I can't wait until tournament organizers get sick of you and drop you, the sooner the better.
Don't worry, EVO will be so stinky from all the competitors in those games that they will be forced to drop them next year
>>344323161
Melee is difficult as fuck, technical, and really fun and competitive but is not a fighting game, at least not the same kind of fighting games that Capcom releases and milks. They don´t appeal to the same people and don´t share a lot of rules and properties, or even the way to play them, so there is no reason to put them on the same bag of marshmallows.
But they should divide the genre on sub-genres in this case, just like Marvel and X-Men games are called Hyper Fighting games, others like KoF and SF be called traditional fighting games, and Melee, RoA, Brawlhalla, Sm4sh and others could be called "Platform fighting games"
The problem with the community is how they literally stink the fun out of other fighting games in the events, not any terminology bullshit.
>>344327235
holy shit they do? what a bunch of immature dorks!
Also I hated how nintendo tried to bury Project M. How is that going? People can organize PM on tourneys or what?
>>344323683
>bait
>>344328078
You've heard it all before and still pretend it's a good game, do we really need to go through this again
>>344323498
POO IN LOO, NOT IN SWIMMING POOLS
I hope one of you meleefags does something retarded at EVO and gets your stupid game banned for good.
Wii U Smash can stay since it's fanbase isn't a bunch of poolshitting autismos.
>>344328254
You're gonna play smash 4 and you're gonna like it
![autism-speaks[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L9pzqNc.jpg "autism-speaks[1].jpg")
ITT
>>344323161
It's a children's game for kids
>>344328510
lol did a melee player rape you or something?
>>344325723
So it's basically being a mulatto huh
>>344328364
Which game?
>>344323161
These threads are the reason I stopped coming to /v/.
Haven't been here in a year
Come back to another one. BYE
Fuck off, you are a joke.
Westballz is going to shine the disbelievers.
Melee is
G O A T
O
A
T
>>344323161
>We aren't just Melee players, we are technical Gods.
10/10
>>344328330
Not bait. That is the truth.
>>344323161
It's not a serious fighting game
>>344323161
>>344323749
>It's flashier and has 300hits combos that you can't escape, it must be better!
Tired of these fgc cucks. They don't know their place. They should be bowing down to the greatest game of all time.
>>344323749
Marvel vs Capcom is dial-in-a-combo the game. Its so fucking boring to watch because there is no awesome survival DI or DI mixups. It also have slower APM than melee has.
>>344323161
>False-flagging this hard
>>344323161
>it's a bait thread gets 500 replies episode
>>344332857
>>344333475
Keep crying, autismos
>>344333475
It not dial in at all. It was a very free flow combo system.
APM is also very high due to plink dashing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhqLmLgPVnw&t=2m40s
>>344323731
>>344324242
>creator terms it a competitive action game
>thinking you have the authority to say otherwise
>>344323161
>I will never stop fighting for Melee to be considered a fighting game
autism everyone
>I will never stop fighting for Melee to be considered a fighting game
the thing about Melee, and basically everything Smash, is that they aren't niche 1v1 exclusive action games (i.e. fighting games) while nearly everything other fightan' is exactly that.
this is exactly why i want more people to stick with the term, Sakurai recently coined, "Character Action Game" for unique and popular action games like Smash than than the petty "Fighting Games".
Melee shouldn't be considered as part of a dying medium only a sensitive group of hood niggers like Low Tier God prefer.
>Fox, Peach, Marth, Shiek, Jiggs: the game
That's 5 viable characters
In KOF almost every character is viable
>>344323161
Do something more productive with your time you faggot.
>>344333849
>>344332630
>>344332549
>>344334027
t. FGCucks
>>344334019
ICs are viable
>>344323161
Because its a lot harder to make a game then altered given code. Talentless hacks
>>344323161
>Someone actually draws art of competitive Smash players
Can you get anymore autistic than that? Oh wait, you can. https://youtu.be/KhsOW-_TwfU
To be fair, this "FGC" has no right to call out anyone on anything, since "FGC" usually just means a group of people that suck Capcom's dick, so no other fighting game can thrive and get a good long lifespan because of it. They're harming any actual communities from being formed or from existing for way longer.
FGC= Capcom fighters
And that's garbage. They have no right to say shit about any game, because any game that isn't a Capcom fighter just isn't worth their time, apparently.
>>344334019
>Caring about character variety more than playstyle variety
Fgc cucks everyone. Character variety appeals to low IQ viewers. It's all about watching multiple playstyles succeed for the patrician viewer.
>>344334413
Do you even know what you're talking about?
>>344323161
I don't understand the appeal of obtuse button input barriers for the sake of artificially raising the skill level... There are so many better ways of going about making your game take more skill to play without making you have to break your fucking fingers and get carpel tunnel to master it. (Think I'm lying about the carpel tunnel? It was actually an issue for top melee players, especially M2K)
Smash 4 is better tbqhfamilia
find me a Melee/competitive Smash player that 20x worse than fucking .webm related.
protip:you can't.
>>344334180
>we were told when to boo
>we were told to chant in the middle of a medal ceremony
This is better how?
>>344333745
totally crying about a game that gets 200 entrants at evo rofl
>>344334180
Thanks for my (you)
>>344334471
Eh once you've seen one top-level spacie you've seen them all.
>>344334694
is that LTG?
>b-but it's at EVO/[insert major here] so it's a fighting game
So is Madden. You guys take your sumo simulator too seriously.
>>344334413
Actually FGC stands for Fighting Game Community. Smash can join that when it becomes a fighting game. But it's not like it matters. It's welcome to tournaments all the same anyways.
And Tekken, GG, KI, and KoF aren't Capcom fighters so go eat a dick, gigacuck.
>>344334810
Ye.
>>344334721
It has 816 you retard but here's your (you)
>>344323507
Smash was banned from major tournaments for years because of the autismal behaviour of the majority of smash players including but not limited to ruining hotels, stealing equipment, and destroying the venue. Jebaily brought Smash back and you autismos go and bite the hand that fed you.
>>344334558
>Smash 4 is better tbqhfamilia
it's not my cup of tea
i'll stick with something sharp
>>344334910
And melee got over 2300 and is growing more every single year.
>>344323683
I came here to say this, this guy beat me to it
>>344334864
>Smash can join that when it becomes a niche 1v1 fighter
so.....never?
>>344333812
except he said the opposite
>>344323161
>muh APM
kek, every timenice false-flagging too
>>344334990
Sorry my mistake, its 770. But its not 200. And just because Melee is growing doesn't mean Marvel is any worse.
>>344334694
>>344334947
Gonna need some sauce on that, falseflagger.
>>344334864
He plays Smash? I'm surprised he can handle complaining about even more bullshit than he already is.
>>344333812
he said character action game, not competitive
however, this doesn't mean smash can't be competitive.
>>344323161
>technically shit
ftfy
>>344334729
danke
>>344334732
completely untrue
>>344335365
No. That was when LTG went up against Viscant in a grudge match and got bodied and backpedaled so hard he went back in time.
>>344335417
>>344335417
games that are designed or redesigned from the ground up to be competitive end up boring like rivals of aether or sf5
>>344334413
But Smash is the game that takes time and exposure away from lesser communitis like GG, KoF, and KI. It just adds insult to injury that it's not even a real fighting game. And also that it's players literally stink up the venue and act like autists.
>>344334987
Sakurai said Melee is highly competitive, which it is, but he termed Smash 4 a competitive action game after he announced Bayonetta.
Melee is more technical and has greater capacity for more complex execution, but Smash 4 is generally more balanced across its roster and has a more significant character counterpicking game.
>>344323161
I love Smash, and agree you may be insanely good in terms of tech, but there's one problem. Smash's balance is out of fucking whack. Dont act like any smash game is balanced, because it's not. No competitive fighting game should be that unbalanced.
>>344335685
that's like your opinion man
>>344333770
Nigga, Marvel's big hitstun scaling and wallbounce and groundbounce rules, assuming you aren't playing someone like Nova who can just ignore them, are way too much of a thing to really call Marvel a game with a "free form" combo system.
At the very beginning of the combo, you can basically do whatever usually, but at the combo goes on, things what would work with base hitstun stop working, and therefore if you want to continue your combo, you have to be railroaded along the diminishing list of moves that will still work.
Also, shit like what you posted only works if you can get a TAC off, which can be TAC countered, and only because the initial air state after coming in from a TAC gives you unlimited unscaled hitstun, and the game can be tricked into letting you stay in that state, leading to TAC infinites.
I'm more of a traditional fighting game guy, myself, but Melee is marginally more free-form than most fighters, simply by virtue of how the game handles movement and hitstun.This thread is was blatantly made just to induce console-wars tier flamewar bullshit. Fuck you, OP
I don't really care what others think. I've been playing for 4 years now and enjoy it a lot still, for that reason alone I could give two shits what others say. All I will say is the only reason the fgc have a anti melee circlejerk is that it's the one thing that brings them together. Nothing brings people together like hate, just look where we are. Also honestly people here make the community sound way worse then it is, I've never had that bad of a experience with other melee players ever.
>>344335793
>but he termed Smash 4 a competitive action game
refer to here please >>344335417
>>344335839
>No competitive fighting game should be that unbalanced.
Melee was born during a time when every single fighting game was an unbalanced mess. It's just the only one that's still being played on a large scale today.
I got top 32 at a national and quit melee, the community is so self absorbed and condescending towards everyone and everything it's impossible for me to be happy investing time into it.
>>344335839
why is character balance important for the competitive scene? there's diversity in playstyle and skill level. chess has been competitive for over 1000 years.
>>344334990
and Sm4sh has more entrants than memee
but let me guess, numbers don't matter this time because they don't prove your point
>>344335417
https://youtu.be/j1JERhUoQoU
31:17
"I believe these are record highs for a competitive action game." - Masahiro Sakurai
>>344335793
Sakurai doesn't have a fucking opinion of his own, he just parrots his fans. He's an idea guy, like Kojima. When Melee first came out he said it was a party game when people asked him about it being competitive, now he back peddles to it's competitive now, because "I" made it.
>>344335967
If your already a smelly autist you won't notice the smell or strange behavior.
>>344335839
Melee is actually extremly balanced for the time it was made. Sure it got alot of trash character but it got like 8-10 characters who can take a national. Not many fighting games got that on them.
>>344336231
But we were talking about melee vs marvel, kid. And so what if sm4sh has a hundred ekstra?
>>344335839
Yeah but melee has decent balance, don't act like games like third strike or fucking MVC2 has any balance.
>>344336186
You're using a balanced game to an analogy to an unbalanced one. If you think chess is unbalanced you're a fucking mouth breathing mongoloid who can't play chess. That's why chess has been around for over a thousand years.
Smash players will always be scrubs because they honestly believe execution is a premiere skill. It's literally everything else that gives a game depth.
When I watch Smash it's just blind guess after blind guess. The commentators are too stupid to even notice. For example, I was watching that japanese yoshi, who apparently is the best yoshi play. He was constantly whiffing up smash head bash thingamabobsie. Then he finally lands one and the commentators EXPLODE saying he has amazing reads. Fucking landing one out of six up smashes is just flat fucking guessing. Fuck that game and the people who like it.
inb4 fuccbois who'll say every game is guessing. No, not to the degree of Smash.
>>344336186
More matchup variety and more relevant counterpicking game.
Also it's more interesting to watch.
>>344336439
>implying a game that favors white 60% is good balanced.
>>344323161
3 of your five gods didn't show up because how fucking low the pots were for CEO. Melee won't die, just pro melee is going back to the basement.
>>344336262
Autism
>smashbabbies shit in pools
>smashbabbies smell bad
>smashbabbies have to hire stink busters for their tournaments
>smashbabbies boo other games at tournaments but still take seats
why are they allowed in the fighting game community
>>344336662
They fit right in.
>>344336423
>no mention of Guilty Gear
found the shitter
>>344336536
Shut the fuck up nerd street fighter 5 might aswell be called rock paper scissor fighter 5.
>>344323161
c stick isnt tilts you fuck
>>344336605
and don't forget, some of them want to skip pools.
>>344336662
melee fans booed at them announcing melee was delayed and the jebailey was hyping melee after GG gfs and that's why the chanting happened.
Its just the anime baby fighting game fans who are oversensitive and probably arnt used to such large crowds.
>>344335594
That's fucking great, I'm gonna have to watch that then. Thanks for the info, anon.
What Melee fags were saying during GG Top 8 at CEO
>>344323161
autism kills, op is a fag.
>>344337038
the fact that anyone finds melee entertaining is beyond me
>>344337038
That is twitch chat, not a representation of the melee community at all.
>the melee community is autistic sperges
You guys realize the entire point of this genre is autism right?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJfLKtGlfw
>>344337038
>steam monsters
>counting for anything
I could get uppity about people chanting WHENS MAHVEL in twitch chat when I am watching my niche weeaboo games, but I don't on the grounds that twitch chat in general is retarded.
>>344323498
>watch out
are you going to steal more equipment and shit in more pools?
>>344325723
>for 15 years the fgc shit on melee calling it for autist and how it's not a real fighter.
>melee becomes one of the biggest fighting game communities and money is to be made in the scene
>the fgc now "respects" melee
I wonder why melee elitist hold a grudge. It definitely couldn't be from 10+ years of negligance
>>344337481
>People in the Melee community don't represent the Melee community
>>344337632
Did you read what i wrote? They are stream monsters.
>>344337621
Melee shat on themselves. WHAT MONEY. Evo melee #1 is fucking 20k compared to 50k for SFV first place. I don't see the money unless you are talking about TO door money?
>>344327004
Maybe Nintendo should develop another game that plays like melee.
A lot of players went to project M but due to its constantly changing meta and it being a mod it didn't quite have the appeal and reach that a 1st party title would normally have.
If smash 4 had wavedashing and l canceling and dashdancing I guarantee you that no one would still be playing melee right now.
>>344337632
>stream monsters
>people
>>344337973
Nintendo doesn't give a shit about e-sports. Capcom invested 1 million for the pro tour.
>>344336423
It's not favoring one character over the rest of the cast, but it's still pretty unbalanced. Not only with characters, but also RNG. Peach pulls, game and watch hammers, villager turnips, all that
>>344323161
Oooh wow you have more buttons. Congratulations. Your overall inputs is way easier. You're not better. You're not even the fastest. Your APM doesn't mean dick. Get over your victim complex.
>>344323161
Typical Melee player:
>I care about what the FGC says about my game
>I never shut up about how "technical" Melee is
>I always trash talk the latest Smash game and contrast it to Melee
>I always bring up Twitch views to prove a point
>I cannot let go of the obsession with having Melee "approved" as a fighting game
>>344337973
>Maybe Nintendo should develop another game that plays like melee.
they aren't said they will never replace Melee
>>344337973
True melee fans are actually creating a fighting game that plays just like melee now, without the shackles of it being a kiddy nintendo game.
Here is the first character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgFhsnFO_JY
>>344336423
>decent balance
Your standard of "decent balance" means that the entire cast of Smash 4 is viable.
>>344337532
>>344337795
>>344338065
>They go against my argument so they don't count
>>344337621
Smash players aren't exactly renown for their intellect.
>>344323161
Kek at that picture
>>344337973
>If smash 4 had wavedashing and l canceling and dashdancing I guarantee you that no one would still be playing melee right now.
daily reminder
>>344338267
wow looks like shit, female version of lucian from lol
i was okay with mellee being its own thing tagging onto the fgc but then it got prime time at evo and it annoyed me a bit
>>344338292
Also the FGC has been playing Super Turbo for longer than some of you have been born.
>>344338386
>Kek at that picture
? its awesome.
>>344336186
Because chess doesn't offer us over 20 different factions to use. There's just white and black, and both sides are equal outside of which one gets to go first (which I know is a big difference, but you get what I mean).
If you're going to make a game with multiple characters and make that a focal point of the game, you better be ready for criticism when over 75% of them are not viable.
>>344338530
if you're 14 years old then yeah
>>344326091
I know this is bait but people seem to forget that melee was made in 8 months and was unfinished and glitchy because Nintendo needed a launch title really badly
>>344337973
If Smash 4 had those mechanics then most of the cast would be invalidated by Sheik and Fox again.
>>344338207
*already
>>344338659
Pretty sure it was 18 months but still a relevant point.
By way of contrast Smash 4 was made in somewhere between 3 and 4 years.
Honest question
Who are some people who started in smash but then became successful in other fighting games?
>>344338790
And its amazing how much better melee is than sm4sh.
>>344338289
About 8-12 of 25 characters are considered viable. That means 32% to 48% (nearly half the roster) are viable. Every fighting game has tiers, some are worse then others. I don't see how melee is more imbalanced then any other fighting game.
if melee is a fighting game how come nobody who plays it is worth a shit in any other fighting game
shouldn't any other fighting game be considered easy after mastering melee
>>344338850
No one. There are smash players that play other comp games. But smash skills do not transfer to other fighting games. You don't have a Sonicfox type who can get #1 at his game and then get top 32 at another game.
>>344338850
why would they change
smash is where the money and sponsors are, and the twitch revenue and youtube revenue, and the twitter followers
>>344338292
Hbox has a chem engineering degree and most players Who compete in melee go to a university? Quit stereotyping it makes you look bad unless you have facts to back it up.
Can someone post the video of the fat kid waddling off stage and having trouble getting down in the street fighter tournament?
>>344336439
just play fox senpai
at worst you'll have a balanced game
>>344338290
>stream monsters
>people
>>344338919
Yeah, and like 50 out of 58 are viable in Smash 4 by those standards. Only really shit ones I can think of are Jigglypuff and Mii Swordsman.
>>344323161
It's a party game. Why are you trying to force smash into an already well-defined category? It's its own thing, and you should celebrate that rather than shoehorn it into a distinct genre of games just because you can't handle being ignored.
Yes, ignored
By gamers that play real fighting games
Not party games
Which is what smash is
A party game.
>>344339173
>fat kid
lmao marn had grade XXX cancer and still came to tournaments
>>344338290
your argument is shit
>>344339031
dude there are like 8 sponsored melee players are you serious
>>344339031
Smash has been played competitively for 10+ years
Only in the last couple of years has it been even remotely profitable. Thats more than enough time for someone to decide that maybe they should pick up another game.
>>344337847
Reminder that crapcom is putting in 50000 so spergs Will buy more street fighter
Melee is for the most parts grassroots with having to provide everything themselves
>>344336536
It's so obvious you just didn't understand what was going on its hilarious. I'm pretty sure I even know what match you're minging about.
>>344339297
Competitive action game* >>344336254
>>344323507
What the hell is apex? Some tournament t set up by a butthurt smash player so they can say smash still gets invited to big events?
>>344339173
A BS in engineering isn't that difficult or special - they're so common that employers don't use them to differentiate candidates.
>>344338668
4sheik was long top-tier without l-cancel tho
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>>344323653
Smash is a party game for children.
Even the creator thinks you morons are deluding yourselves.
>>344338850
I think ChrisG used to play smash, but he only went to Marvel and that's long dead
There are really very few cases of smash fans actively interested in other fighters
>>344339559
>>344339031
Sponsors like that dudes controler company and an esports team. While SFV has Coors Light, RedBull, Sony, Capcom, Madcatz, and the finals are going to be on national tv. That sweet melee money.
Smash 64 takes more mind power though.
Melee is like checkers but you have to move your piece as soon as its your turn.
64 is like chess.
>>344339518
Yeah, and 4 Sheik without l-cancelling was beatable by DK because DK could reasonably get grabs.
With Melee mechanics 4 Sheik would trash 4 DK.
Regardless, 4 Sheik is probably the 6th or 8th-best character now due to all the nerfs.
>>344339635
>Smash is a *character action game
fixed
>>344339635
Sakurai says otherwise. >>344336254
>>344333812
>creator says it's not a fighting game
Nah what does he know
>creator mentions the word "competitive"
BASED GLORIOUS LEADER CONFIRMS SMASH NUMBA 1 FIGHTAN
>>344339869
It doesn't have to be a fighting game to be competitive.
>>344339750
>nerfing good characters
Thank fucking god that melees balance was untouched by sakurais autism. He would probably nerf fox and make for en utterly boring meta. The big thing i notice about melee players are that they dont whine and bitch about nerfs instead of adapting like sm4sh and FGC players do.
>>344339676
64 wasn't made to be super-advance like Chess
Melee was
>>344338850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAp2ADFZSmU
>>344339173
The gif is too big to post and this is the best I could find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_okABO3zY
I think that was around the time that Marn had whatever shit is in pic related.
>>344340020
>He would probably nerf fox and make for en utterly boring meta.
PAL version, m8.
>>344340074
>tfw really enjoy fighting games but cant watch mvc because it gives me motion sickness
kill me
>>344340063
Yet just like melee, he accidentally made it so.
>>344323161
Take your kiddie games somewhere else.
>>344340063
Dosent matter if thats what it was made to be, thats what its become.
>>344340020
>He would probably nerf fox and make for en utterly boring meta.
not really
Iwata once talked about porting Melee to the Wii with online and nothing else changed if Sakurai didn't come to handle Brawl.
>>344340179
Holy shit my b
>>344333920
>character action game
That term gets used for DMC style games already, alongside "spectacle fighter" and curayzee, as well as a subgenre of hack and slash. I don't think sakurai coined it.
Honestly, nonbait question: what's wrong with "party game"? Or "party fighting game"?
>>344339295
So why are only sheiks, zero suit samuses, marios, and clouds winning tournaments? Tiers exist is smash 4 too, get over it.
>>344339297
honestly, when melee is played in 1v1 no items format, what aspect of it resembles a party game?
>>344323161
Can't people just let it FUCKING DIE jesus christ Melee is so old Animal Crossing wasn't even out on the Gamecube back then
>>344333812
My mother termed me a good human being and a prodigy of success.
Plenty of people including me would say otherwise.
>>344334180
>shatinthepool
>>344340020
Except nerfing Sheik IMMEDIATELY diversified tournament results, and Sheik is still more than capable of winning tournaments.
She was too good at closing out stocks with her d-throw combos. Now that she can't close them out as easily, she's fair. She might even still have the best neutral game of any character. She's just much more skill intensive to get results with (ZeRo has all but dropped Sheik post-nerf).
>>344340179
If I remember right he caught a flesh eating bacteria while in Vietnam on top of having a shit diet and not exercising. He's gotten better over the years but he was banned from events for a while because of that.
It's telling that organizers describe the Smash community as a whole as smelling like Marn's dead leg.
>>344340281
>accidentally
nice source, apologist.
>>344323498
>Want smash to be recognized as a fighting game but call people who play fighting games "fightingfags"
Go back to playing smash, partyfag.
>>344339676
Why is a PC exploding? Smash 64 was for the Nintendo 64.
>>344340209
But sheik got removed kill options straight out. How fucking boring.
>>344340179
Jesus christ, I had heard about this but didn't think it'd be this horrifying.
>>344340557
What are you even on about? nothing in that quote says he intentionally did anything to make it more competitive than 64.
>>344340464
>Can't people just let it FUCKING DIE
no
>>344340524
>every single sheik game is her grinding her opponent to over 200% and killing them with a fair.
Wow how exciting.
>>344340372
Because Mewtwo, Rosalina, Diddy, Fox, and Pikachu are also winning tournaments, with every character being a serious contender for Top 8?
After less than 2 years, 9 characters at the very least have emerged as good enough to win a national by doing so.
When was the last time you watched a Smash 4 tourney?
>>344334694
M
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X
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V
>GOD
>>344334947
Do people seriously believe that autistic people are more dangerous than the niggers that play SF?
>>344339516
Really, good luck with that high school diploma smart guy! XD
>>344340372
because the very best players use them, but in top 16s almost every player plays a different character.
>>344340705
you need glasses, and i'm referring to this >344340063
>"Melee is the sharpest game in the series," he wrote. "It's pretty speedy all around and asks a lot of your coordination skills. Fans of the first Smash Bros. got into it quickly, and it just felt really good to play."
>>344340557
>we must do whatever the creator of the game says
>playing the way you like is bad
Fuck outta here with that shit. I don't care if Mattel puts out a game called 'Barbie's Fun Adventure' somehow containing the best competitive gaming mechanics ever, and the developers say 'only 8 year old girls should play this game', I would still play the game that has the best gameplay mechanics, regardless of what the developers play
>>344340808
Better than Sheik 2-stocking everyone because she can kill as early as Mario's u-smash out of a fucking grab despite being significantly more mobile.
And since she's light, grinding someone to 200% rage is terrifying if they have any decent killing moves. It's a serious test for Sheik mains and it's why a lot of people dropped her.
>>344340978
Found the shitter that won't be making six figures for a long time.
>>344340934
Yes, because the niggers that play SF have been going to events for longer than Smash as a franchise has existed and the worst thing that ever happened was Sanford Kelly and LTG.
Meanwhile the second they let Melee into Evo tables started being stolen, monitors and televisions were stolen, games were stolen, kids have gotten mugged, etc.
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>>344341127
Watch this:>>344336254
>>344341127
>>we must do whatever the creator of the game says
how PM2 doing for you?
>>344336993
Dude make sure to watch the vid with the pre and especially post-fight trash talk in it, basically the longest one on youtube. Shit is gold.
>>344341330
what is this?
>>344341269
>>344341065
The same shit can be said of smash 64 if you ever bothered to play it the way tacos, boom, or kero do. In fact it can be argued that melee casualized lots of shit including less hitstun, and laggier aerials, only two jump heights...
>>344336423
>decent balance
>best character in the game has no bad match-ups
>2 neutral and the rest so advantageous he'd have to completely fuck up to lose.
>1 of them is the mirror match
Vs
>3S best character who isn't amazing until she has super
and
>unstoppable zoners that require a point meter builder and needs to tag in, usually by super
As much as people criticize 3S and MvC2 imbalance, Melee wishes WISHES it was as balanced. You want decent balance? Point to something like usf4. That's far better than the other examples, and it's still not a very good example either.
>>344341414
one of the failed attempts of bringing PM to Sm4sh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkok9lIUAxs
>>344341267
More like niggers found the perfect opportunity to blame someone else. :^)
>>344337532
>twitch chat in general is retarded
So... people that like smash and marvel are retarded?
I think we agree.
>>344323161
OP have you ever played VS?
>>344341506
Yeah but even at top level of play fox isn't invincible. Awhile ago a shitty player took a set off armada, probably the best player in the world, with a garbage character like ganon.
Come on guys, give the little tards what they want. Think of all the clean pools you'd be saving.
>>344341685
Yes, they waited 20 years just for Smash to be put in tournaments so they could start stealing at Evo.
In fact they got together with the FGC illuminati and pitched the idea of smash bros to Nintendo in the first place, then organized a decade long stigmatization of Smash, all in order to start stealing at Evo.
Just according to keikaku.
>>344342018
So why aren't regular fighting game players tards?
>>344337847
>melee shat on themselves
Explains the smell.
>shat in the pool too
