>No one buys it
>"I guess nobody likes Paper Mario anymore."
>People buy it
>"Wow everyone must love what we did with the series! Let's make more games like this!"
You know these are the only two outcomes. Say goodbye to Paper Mario. After this, it's basically dead either way.
>>344298031
Nah just DO NOT buy this turd and then get extremely vocal so they remaster/remake 1 and/or ttyd.
Those will sell fucking great and then theyll realize theyre fucking idiots.
>>344298031
Based on the recent news it seems like they're aware of the backlash, so maybe if it sells bad the series won't die completely
.
>>344298031
i'd rather it die desu
>>344298031
>Make something similar to an old game
>WOW, FUCK YOU, WHY ALL THE REHASHING. GOD DAMN SO STUPID. NEVER MAKE ANYTHING NEW ALWAYS JUST OLD REHASHED SHIT.
>Make something new.
>DUDE, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING. JUST GIVE US THE OLD SHIT THAT WE LIKE.
Repeat infinitely.
Fuck off you stupid Pretendos.
>>344298691
Except the last traditional Paper Mario was 12 years ago and they had no problem rehashing Sticker Star, sperg.
>>344298691
You can do both
Sticker star was originally looking that way and people were hyped then the removed everything great about paper mario
>>344298691
It isn't rehash when the series only have 2 good games (3 if you count super) with many years of each other, and each game had a different story.
It would be a rehash if it was the NSMB case where a new one comes out almost yearly with barely any changes.
>>344298031
But what if new players actually ENJOY the game?
>>344298691
Super was decently liked. At least in retrospect.
It still had a lot of what people loved even though the gameplay was worse.
>>344298850
>>344298869
>Star Fox Zero is literally Star Fox 64 with gyro controls.
>REEEEEEEEEEEE, IT'S SO BAD. WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST MAKE IT /EXACTLY/ LIKE STAR FOX 64
>>344298031
Wiiufags will buy it since there's literally nothing else coming to it until Zelda comes out
>>344298031
That's fine. Better to enjoy what's there than to see the corpse repurposed as the next Mario Maker.
>After this, it's basically dead either way.
>>344299008
Yeah, but about that, nobody actually mentioned SF0?
>>344298691
Pretendos.
I like the sound of that.
>>344298850
>Make two similar games in the 2000's
>Traditional Paper Mario
>Make two games the same in the 2010's
>Rehashing
You really are a bunch of hypocritical twats.
>>344298691
>Pretendos
Fuck off retard
>>344299008
>Star Fox Zero is literally Star Fox 64 with gyro controls.
If only.
>>344299318
The first 2 paper marios were super different though, with TTYD adding a lot of new mechanics and stuff to the PM64 formula, and a brand new story.
While Color Splash have a story and it seems slightly better than sticker star, it uses practically the same system with barely any changes. It is pretty much just an HD port for WiiU.
Can't wait for the moment at the end where Huey 'sacrifices' himself in an attempt to make players cry.
After all, Nintendo said the story would make you cry at the end.
>>344299427
Make me youPretendo
>>344298691
You act like everyone who screams rehash also wants a TTYD clone. I personally just want a true sequel that adds new mechanics that the previous game already established, it's what TTYD did by adding a crowed, style commands, partner HP, action commands for the Crystal Stars, badge stacking, curses & more I'm forgetting probably. If I can't get that ever I at least want a completely new gameplay style since I fucking hate this Sticker/Card gameplay, it's complete ass, I would even take the Super Paper Mario gameplay if I could, hell a sequel of that could fix a lot that issues Super had boss difficulty being pumped up & level design being better, maybe even add on to the leveling up system & give you options from what to choose from when it comes to upgrading since Super just alternated between attack & HP.
>>344299514
>The first 2 paper marios were super different though
How delusional can someone get?
Wow, they added... a partner HP bar???????????????????????????????????
This looks good though
>>344299318
Whatever, "old" Paper Mario, you know what I'm referring to.
And I wasn't claiming TTYD was a rehash. It expanded on the original game and added new features and gameplay elements while SS and Color Splash gutted and removed everything that made the older games great.
>>344298031
Let it burn. It was good, once. Let it end.
>>344299318
Not him but the issue with the rehashing thing to me is that Paper Mario 3DS was changed into Sticker Star since Miyamoto mentioned it was basically another TTYD early in development so it's pretty hypocritical when this is pretty much another Sticker Star.
>>344299631
Almost infinite badges, more levels, audience, star attacks have action commands, partners can use items, partners have more dialogue thus more personality, stylish commands, paper curses, etc.
There was lots of stuff TTYD expanded on the original's mechanics, meanwhile sticker star and color splash are practically the same except stickers are now called cards and requires paint which is really easy to get in the overworld. You still only get coins in battle, still the same bland enemies, still the same stuff.
>>344298889
>It would be a rehash if it was the NSMB case where a new one comes out almost yearly with barely any changes.
>almost yearly.
The last NSMB game came out 4 years ago. They've made one per system so far, like they do with most of their IPs.
>>344300160
Didn't the last NSMB game come out less than a year ago?
>>344300241
No, both NSMB.2 & NSMB.U came out in 2012, time sure flies.
Didn't Miyamoto say to use already existing characters, but Tanabe took that way too far and only used generic enemies and only Toads as NPC's? Also, isn't Toad one of Miyamoto's least favorite characters?
>>344300383
Yes, the source & info for that is all here >>344299963
>>344300313
No, NSMBU came out last year, along with SMB, SMB3 and SMW.
maybe the internet is not a hivemind?
>>344299963
Color Splash is the 2nd game like SS. Whereas another TTYD would be the 3rd game like PM64.
>>344300543
>Whereas another TTYD would be the 3rd game like PM64.
Sure.
>>344298405
>Those will sell fucking great
They won't though. The series was never that popular, and SPM only sold decently because people were decent for wii games which had millions of an install base with nothing to do after wii sports.
Paper mario fags are becomming the next mother fags "COME ON NINTENDO, WHERE'S MY VIRTUAL CONSOLE RELEASE EVEN THOUGH I'VE EMULATED AND OWNED THIS GAME 12 TIMES" "COME ON EVERYONE, BUY LUCAS FOR SMASH BROS THEN MAYBE WE'LL GET MOTHER 3 ON VIRTUAL CONSOLE" "PLEASE BUY EARTHBOUND ON VIRTUAL CONSOLE THEN THEY'LL MAKE EARTHBOUND 4!!!"
>>344300871
So? TTYD is the 2nd game so a new one like it would be the third.
Not all sequels are rehashes.
>>344299008
We just got SF64 3DS before 0
>>344301063
Oh, sorry, misread what you wrote. I totally skimmed over the "another" & thought you were trying to say TTYD was the third game like PM64.
How can we actually explain to Tanabe the flaws of Sticker Star? Paying no attention to the fact that it's not an RPG.
I'm inclined to believe that these are her decisions, so surely someone could speak to her at length and get her to come around somewhat.
>>344301585
The complaints against Sticker Star boil down to it not being enough like TTYD. Dress it up as you may, that's the problem you have with it.
>>344299008
Personally I'm not a Star Fox fan & I barely played the series but from what I understand though it's a remake/reboot that has a lot more issues than the original. Sticker Star was just simply misleading & looked like a sequel but it dropped all of the mechanics people liked & the plot & characters were bare bones.
>>344301585
You're mistaking Tanabe with Risa.
In the end the only way to have Nintendo notice is if japanese fans made a huge backlash. Too bad that it seems japan likes sticker star and only a minority doesn't.
>>344301585
Based on the fact Tabata said “This time we have–I don’t know if I want to say a proper story–but we have a story.” & mentioned how the Thing items for bosses will be hinted at better a couple days ago I wanna say they're finally becoming aware of it slowly.
>>344301835
Not true, while many would prefer a new Paper Mario RPG, Sticker Star has many issues in general.
>>344301835
>The complaints against Sticker Star boil down to it not being enough like TTYD
I just want the writing and open world of TTYD back to be honest. It could be a platformer or an action game for all I care.
>>344298691
>>344299318
People only cry rehash when there is a constant release for a specific type of game with little changes.
Two NSMB that changed nothing from their predecessors literally released on the same year.
>>344299573
Shut up Cody
>>344299008
Nigga there were people who complained it borrowed to much from 64.
People wanted a game that played like 64 but not another 64 remake.
Nobody wanted the Gyro controls and gyrowing also.
>>344302942
>Open world
What the fuck are you talking about? Nothing about TTYD is 'Open world.'
>>344303554
As in not divided in levels, unlike SPM and SS. Couldn't think of a better term.
>>344298031
Where have we had this dilemma before?
>>344298031
I swear Nintendo is doing it on purpose. They don't want to bother making anything beyond a very select few franchises. Specifically the ones that don't take much effort or ones they can simply copy games from the past ten years to act like they've added something new. If they set up specific franchises to fail and become shelved they can parade around like the fans were at fault for not buying their shit and say shit like
>We regretfully have to put this franchise aside because it just does not sell well in todays market.
If you even so much as mention how shit said games were or how it wasn't what anybody wanted from the franchise, it's your fault still for not wanting change or not liking innovation.
Nintendo of today is a fucking joke and I hope they keep pissing off more fans so their already small install base continues to shrink. I'm tired of Nintendos goddamn bullshit.
>>344303029
I would say NSMB.U was actually an improvement, the overworld was more like Super Mario World & the baby Yoshi's were an interesting concept, NSMB.2 is the real shitter for unoriginality. Though while I defend NSMB.U it's a shame it took 4 games to get SMW features back, it makes little sense that ideas from SMW took this long to make a comeback. I could understand maybe the original NSMB not having it but Wii should've done it. This image spews salt but it does bring a good point about NSMB.2 if anyone wants to defend NSMB.
>>344303905
Hopefully Super Mario Maker has rendered NSMB obsolete in Nintendo's eyes.
IIRC one of the reasons why NSMB2 was made was to train developers or some shit
>>344303772
Let's list 'em, shall we?
DMC
Metroid
Dead Space
Castlevania
Horror games in general.
>>344303905
NSMB2 is the first time I straight up dropped a Mario game. I barely got half way through the jungle world. It's just so boring.
>>344304131
I remember Miyamoto saying that a new kind of Mario was in the works for NX. We will have to wait and see.
Though I wish they'd add more power ups to Mario Maker.
>>344304334
Does Mario Maker even have ice flower? I love that fucker.
>>344303772
Bethesda does this with game features.
>People complain about Oblivion's leveling system
>Remove attributes altogether instead of fixing it.
>>344304178
Banjo Kazooie
Chibi Robo
>>344304334
>I remember Miyamoto saying that a new kind of Mario was in the works for NX
There will be two, Tezuka also said they're aiming to make the next 2D Mario different and outdo New Super Mario Bros.
>>344303905
Dude I fucking love wrecking people's Coin Rush records, I get them through streetpass pretty often. And the DLC levels are fantastic. I also thought the coin gimmick was entertaining since I usually just ignore the coins and try to reach the goal the fastest.
>>344304450
No, it's enjoyable but lacks so fucking much. The only defense for some of these things is that can be ghettoly recreated.
>>344304756
I think the problem is that Nintendo doesn't want to "overwhelm" the kids so they don't want to add too many features (even if some could be just shake/combos from what we currently have)
Or that they don't want to give much freedom so people don't just recreate their games in the maker.
At least give us new themes, Nintendo. There is so much variety you can have with only 6.
>>344304756
Where's the 3-up moon in NSMB?
>longtime fans that aren't happy with the direction Nintendo is taking their series and their focus on Amiibo
>these are "Pretendos"
/v/ is just a bunch of biased manchildren that hate anything nintendo does to feel alternative and hardcore
no matter what nintendo does, /v/ will hate it
>>344304756
There are quite a few things exclusive to NSMB that aren't in this list.
Midair floating water and that walrus thing just off the top of my head.
>>344304531
>>344304178
All people want is more of the same, but with quality and effort. Why is that so much to ask? Hell Platinum Games could be hired by Capcom to make the next DMC and they can do wonders on a decent nonbloated fucking budget.
I don't see how a 2D Castlevania game that is just more of the SotN or DS games could cost more than the 3d hack and slash games they shat out a few years back. Granted Konami is shit now but still.
Dead Space, motherfucking Dead Space.
>Let's make this isolated horror game a bro-op shooter.
>Gee it didn't sell gorrilion copies better can it.
Fuck you.
>>344305449
Because this is the face of a real Nintendo fan
>>344305472
/v/'s not the only place upset about Color Splash
>>344305414
Apparently it's in Boost Mode a lot, I never knew that myself until just now.
>>344298691
You say that like Paper Mario fans ever complained about TTYD being an improved rehash of PM64.
hint: they didn't
>>344305330
Pretty sure it's that they're lazy and want to parade around all the completely totally new shit they'll add in Mario Maker 2: Please Buy an NX Edition.
>>344305472
Everything Nintendo does is collectively hated by damn near everybody. If it wasn't hated they'd not be the laughing stock of the industry.
>>344305124
>mfw I used that image in a post and mods deleted it, calling it spamming/flooding
damn
>>344298405
>remake one and ttyd
Nah, they would just do a total reboot of the original and TTYD, just so they can remove the partner system.
>>344305472
You have any idea how much backlash there is for Color Splash on Youtube, Twitter, Twitch chats, probably reddit & probably tumblr? During the demonstration on Twitch everyone was saying RIP & Press F to pay respects and the tweets were everywhere mentioning how it was Sticker Star 2.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLjYGJDZ2GqL9qcw4yhiCOjgBZmoFZq6P
>>344305813
How can you be the laughing stock and have the best selling console (3ds) of the generation at the same time?
stop pretending everyone shares your personal opinion, acting like a feminist isn't right
>>344305950
I did the same thing with Revved's image and got a ban because they thought I was him
>>344298889
>NSMB
>yearly
Idiot
>>344305124
I want Nintendo to go under. It's a bloated carcass of its former glory, I haven't enjoyed a single game it's made since 2010, and it would piss off the shills SO BADLY.
>>344306079
>what are 4chan raids
>suddenly tumblr matters
fuck off newfag, your internet "activism" doesn't mean shit
>>344306257
You'd think they would bother to check if the IPs are even remotely the same.
Thoughts? https://mynintendonews.com/2016/07/07/nintendo-says-that-paper-mario-color-splashs-story-may-make-you-cry/
>>344305472
Color Splash is reviled pretty much everywhere.
>>344306335
It will make paper mario fans cry from watching the series die.
>>344306123
The main reason 3DS does so well is Pokemon and third party games. It has a shit ton of games not made by Nintendo. I know it may come as a surprise for people who play just on Nintendo systems, but with a large library of third party titles it makes a system much more desirable. If people had to live only off of Nintendos games on the 3DS it'd sold far worse.
They're still the laughing stock regardless because outside of handhelds all they do is flounder around like shitheads.
>>344306313
You're just looking for reasons to say it's only /v/ hating on the game. It's so obvious many people dislike the game. Also I mentioned multiple sites including tumblr since regardless how you feel about the shitty website they are filled with users.
>>344306325
He changes his IP constantly
>>344306372
>Color Splash is reviled pretty much everywhere.
No it isn't, it just a bunch of salty fucks spewing the same thing everywhere because they took a game being different as a personal insult.
>>344306313
Paper Mario fans on /v/ are actually really few if you compare the number of unique posters every thread.
Even back before CS was announced it didn't break 200 on average.
>>344306551
Doesn't the range still stay roughly the same though?
>>344306620
I believe so
What makes people angrier?
Color Splash isn't a traditional RPG or that Color Splash is Sticker Star 2.0?
>>344306712
Sticker Star 2.0
>>344306595
Name a place where a majority actually wants Color Splash?
>>344306712
Taking super as an example, it would still have people be mad, but wouldn't be hated as much if it had a good story to balance it out.
>>344306712
Paper Mario was never a traditional RPG unless you judge this from being solely turn based
>>344307016
He meant like the first 2 games, with BP, FP, Star points and stuff.
>>344298031
>No one buys it
>"I guess nobody likes Paper Mario anymore."
I like to be provided examples where this happen.
>>344307985
Oh, RPG elements
>>344308351
Closest thing I can think of that is Chibi-Robo:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/10/chibi-robo_zip_lash_could_possibly_be_the_last_game_in_the_franchise
There are probably other better examples of it though, it's not unthinkable for something dumb like that to happen.
>>344308351
Intelligent Systems said Awakening would've been the last Fire Emblem game if it didn't sell well
>>344306712
If Color Splash had at least the ironic self-awareness and anarchic sense of humor of the first three Paper Mario titles(and the Mario & Luigi RPGs), with the variety of environments and creative twists on Mario universe staples(e.g. a pirate port populated by thuggish versions of Goombas and Koopas and controlled by a Pianta mafia, a desert town run by little mowsers and bandits, etc.) I think people would tolerate it, whatever kind of game it is.
I loved Super Paper Mario. I wouldn't mind if we had something with TTYD/SPM-level writing but was also some kind of puzzle platformer or whatever. I just prefer the turn-based combat to "action gameplay + RPG stats" simply because the latter feels like an unnecessary grind.
What's honestly the difference between a boss fight in SPM where Mario has to stomp on a dragon, and a fight in a Mario platformer like Galaxy or 3D World where Mario has to stomp on a dragon? In one he'll do it three times and in the other he'll have to do it a dozen times.
>>344298031
Honestly, in an ideal world, Color Splash doesn't sell well and IntSys does an FE: Awakening-esque re-evaluation Hail Mary for the series, with a sixth Paper Mario title that actually plays and feels like the first two games, with all the gameplay and humor that made people fans of the Paper Mario series in the first place.
I don't know why the idea of multiple Mario RPG franchises is such anathema. They're making a killing off Mario playing more sports than 20 Jim Thorpes.
>>344306595
You're free to go to any website and see what people think about it. It's the same opinion everywhere. When the best thing people say about it is "Just wait and see, it won't be shit like Sticker Star", you're starting with a low bar.
>>344308709
>>344309225
The FE scenario wouldn't work since the people who made paper mario prior to SPM left.
>>344309469
Honestly, while it takes a full team to make something great, I think they mostly just need the old Director, Ryota Kawade to make a come back & Tanabe to fuck off. The Art Director (Naohiko Aoyama) from the N64 game being the current Director really shows & he needs to go back to only being the Art Director.
>>344298691
>Nintendo fans adore a game.
>"WAA WAAA STOP BEING BLIND AND LIKING EVERYTHING NINTENDO DOES WITHOUT CRITICIZING IT! FUCKING NINTENDRONES!
>Nintendo fans are unhappy about something and voice their complains.
>WAAAAAH! FUCKING PRETENDOS! COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING?!
What would you rather have, anon? I take you are the type of guy that can't be happy with anything, right?
>>344309469
The guy that made the original Fire Emblems left Nintendo back when the GBA was coming out and is currently making (another) "SRPG that is legally distinct from the Nintendo franchise known as Fire Emblem."
Hasn't stopped the guys that are actually working on the series now from accomplishing great things.
I would reserve judgment on what they can do, until we actually see them get to do something truly in the vein of PM64/TTYD, rather than an RPG platformer or whatever was going on in Sticker Star.
>>344310392
What game is he making now?
>>344309412
>It's the same opinion everywhere.
Nah. Whenever there's a different opinion people like you dogpile them to try to stamp it out.
>>344298031
>Go check out the release trailer of this on YouTube expecting people to be sucking their dicks for it
>Everyone is giving them hell for this turd
Oh good, so I guess this industry and its community aren't entirely dead. Yet.
>>344311401
That's because it's a minority of people
>>344311401
While some people are definitely gonna like it (just like literally any game out there) & some things are improved, the majority is certainly against this game. It's basically a not-as-bad Federation Force currently (not-as-bad when it comes to backlash I mean).
>>344298850
>>344298869
>>344298889
>>344298971
>>344299427
>>344299602
>>344303029
>>344305742
>>344310335
>>344299310
>falling for Cody Copypasta again
>>344312532
I have a suspicion that it isn't Cody this time
If it was him he would've posted Sticker Star Final Boss.jpg
>>344311401
That's /v/ in general.
>>344312532
Cody doesn't use 4chan filenames.
>>344312757
He's evolving.
>>344312301
> the majority is certainly against this game.
Yeah just like the majority are against New Super Mario Bros games. You're just a vocal majority beating down reasonable opinions while pretending your extreme one is the reasonable one.
>>344311024
Well, the dude is notoriously quiet, but after Kaga left Nintendo he went and made Tear Ring Saga with his new studio. Nintendo took em to court because it was pretty much Fire Emblem and was even called Emblem Saga at one point.
Then after '05 he went off the grid for almost a decade and then in May of last year he announced he's making a game with like a dozen other people, using SRPG studio which is basically RPG Maker but for SRPGs and basically makes Fire Emblems so you can guess what the gameplay is like.
It's called Vestaria Saga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttl9N87lAwk
It's just a retired man's admittedly ambitious hobby project since it's made with volunteers and it'll be released for free.
>>344298031
>hey guys, you know how Paper Mario is loved because of its witty story, unique characters, and great battle mechanics?
>let's only use Toads
>let's give the player limited use of every move
>let's make Bowser not talk at all
>let's make a slot machine an integral battle mechanic
>let's make it so you can't change targets and can only attack the target in the frontso if it's one of those enemies with spears that change position each turn and you only have jump stickers, even if the one in the back has its spear down and you could attack it safely, you have to attack the one in the front which would result in you getting hurt aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Fuck Sticker Star.
>>344313075
*Vocal Minority
>>344298031
>Make Sticker Star
>Start making this INMEDIATELY after it goes gold
>Doesn't even wait to see if fans like it or not
Nintendo logic, everyone.
>>344313075
You don't see NSMB trailers being swarmed with dislikes
>>344313654
With NSBM, they advertised it as what it is. You knew what you were getting into and it was it's own series, not an old one that was changed.
PM fans were misled by the beta images that showed a battle system similar to TTYD, original stuff and partners. Only to have all that removed and people only knew about it on launch.
These screens were probably after miyamoto said it was too TTYD-ish and before he said to not use OCs.
Ironic since CS is a copy of sticker star and he didn't bash on it.
>>344313156
>>great battle mechanics
>>344313075
>>344313162
Anon, while there's always a chance this could be a success & sell well there's little chance this is a vocal minority thing at this point, look at >>344306079 It's super clear that hate is all around for the game, like you can go ahead & like it, all the power to you, but it's true so many people dislike it. Also while people pick on NSMB it never produced backlash like this, so that's a poor comparison.
>>344314248
Compared to shit like I mentioned in the spoiler, yes. Maybe "functional battle mechanics" would have been more appropriate.
Fine by me if they drop the series. If I want, I can always go back to the original or TTYD. They're still there.
I ain't giving CS a cent of my money or a second of my time because the game just doesn't look good. And that's all that matters to me.
>>344314192
>PM fans were misled by the beta images.
I don't see why they didn't cry foul after the finished trailer. It seemed pretty obvious to me that this wouldn't be like TTYD, and I heard early on that there wouldn't be any partners.
>>344314192
That looks exactly like Sticker Star just with a chaimp chomp in the background and a different Boss and one area that's not in the game. You can even see the Stickers and Koopas with the standard design.
>>344315589
I personally never heard that or realized how different it would be, I saw the Chain Chomp partner in 2010 & saw every trailer afterwards out of excitement thinking they didn't want to spoil the partners. I got the game as fast as I could when it came out & the more I played the more annoyed & dissatisfied I felt hoping it'd get better and keep in mind I didn't go on /v/ at the time & made sure not to spoiled by the game so that was my pure blind experience. I honestly didn't even know so many hated the game like me until like 2 years ago. In the past year I've heard similar stories of people buying the game thinking it'd be like the originals just to be disappointed by the way.
>no mario with a chain chomp pet
it hurts
>>344315946
>exactly like sticker star
Then you're blind, because the battle layout looks closer to PM64/TTYD. It even have curtains, and pokeys had the normal PM look instead of the NSMB one.
The stickers were in place but original characters and stuff weren't ruled out yet. Miyamoto gave 2 suggestions, and these beta screens seem to have been taken between them.
>>344298031
its been dead to me since Super Paper Mario.
>>344299310
Neotendo sounds better, ergo a Neotendrone.
>>344316819
According to him a Pretendo is a "fake Nintendo fan who shouldn't dare criticize Nintendo"
According to you a Neotendrone is a person who blindly follows modern Nintendo
>>344315946
>>344316497
Read >>344299963
The screenshots were released around E3 & Miyamoto played the prototype afterwards, so yeah, you're right on that part partially. Stickers were a thing though from the beginning pretty much, it just had a lesser use, they mention in the Iwata Asks it was mostly used for puzzles initially but after Miyamoto's comment they redid the whole thing and gave stickers the full focus dropping partners, RPG elements & other shit. That being said the game would be pretty different if they stuck to the original gameplay they had going in the prototype still since it'd be built with partners & exp in mind.Honestly, it'd probably be the weakest Paper Mario regardless, the areas look dull as hell beyond the card area & King Mole.
>>344306456
>Nintendo is the laughing stock of the industry!
>But they do this stuff
>OK that's true BUT BESIDES THAT THEY'RE THE LAUGHING STOCK HAHA
Kill yourself
>>344305813
>Everything Nintendo does is collectively hated by damn near everybody.
>>344315946
Never noticed that the beta Koopas didn't have sunglasses. I did notice that with the final release though, and it bothers me. This series' enemy Koopas are supposed to have sunglasses.
>>344311401
>People like you
Resorting to personal attacks I see. I don't have any interest in squelching other people's opinions, but it's a rather small minority that prefers the way the series is now.
>>344298409
Source?
>>344320209
I think he is talking about the recent article about the devs talking about the story http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-06-paper-mario-color-splash-sheds-its-rpg-roots-for-action-adventure-with-charm
>>344320209
I thought I read something that mentioned the player would cry from the game & not betrayal but I can't find it. Well, they still seem to be aware of it if they're clearing up the fact like it having story
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/07/06/nintendo-confirms-paper-mario-color-splash-has-a-story/ , what >>344320714 linked for me & this isn't exactly the same topic but they also acknowledged theshufflegatething so they must be aware of how the fans feel if they responded to that bullshit.
>>344321123
Too bad they announced the game too late and didn't pay attention to sticker star's feedback to try to fix something.
>>344322376
Pretty sure they mentioned some where in one of those articles (if not it's in another recent one) fixing the absurd "Things" & how they gave little direction on boss is weak against what with better hints, but that's about it. It's a shame the bosses pretty much die in 1 hit from their weakness & even worse how you're forced to fight them with it more so than Sticker Star based on how Morton rapes you here.
>>344323031
Did they miss the action command or are normal cards inneffective against bosses?
If so they just made the sticker star problem even worse.
>>344323625
They just simply missed, the guy straight up says "Oops!" or something when he fucks up.
Oh yeah, I forgot they technically give exp now also for your paint meter, I don't see it being as great as the classic level-up system but at least it's something.
>>344323625
>Did they miss the action command
Yeah that attack they used hits up to 10 times in Sticker Star if you get the action commands right every hit. So he did 1/10 of the damage it should have dealt.
>If so they just made the sticker star problem even worse.
Sticker Star's bosses without their weakness were just challenging standard RPG battles. it was actually a breath of fresh air from the ridiculously easy ones the series is known for. In TTYD or SPM you'd have to go out of your way to lose.
>>344306335
Your partner meaninglessly sacrifices herself in the 3ds one I conveniently forgot the name of, making for a "touching moment".
The writing and dialog still doesn't feel quite there most of the time as it's hindered by character design being so bland.
Won't deny there may have been an effort.
>Hey remember me? I'm Toad from that place! I talk funny!
>>344324531
More like tedious. They have insane ammounts of defense and even your super ultra shiny giant sticker does 1 damage per hit. Unless you have an album full of things which pretty much take huge chunks of HP, but that's pretty much cheating.
The example you posted is one of the worst offenders, since if you miss the block for the poison attack, you are pretty much dead since not only you take a lot of damage per turn because of the poison, but you also miss your attacks all the time.
>>344324531
I found that not using the weakness was annoying as fuck while using it makes it a breeze. I just want a middle ground for bosses at least if we're gonna be stuck with this bullshit gameplay.
>>344298031
>Mario on the cover
>Cute art style
>Getting actual promotion
It's going to do at least a million
>>344325000
>>344325221
> since if you miss the block for the poison attack, you are pretty much dead since not only you take a lot of damage per turn because of the poison, but you also miss your attacks all the time.
The Baahammer stops the boss using the poison the boss The issue here is that you want bosses that are really easy except take a long time to create the illusion of challenge.
I want bosses where it requires you to understand the game mechanics and the bosses having those Thing weaknesses means the bosses can be that way while allowing a more casual way to win.
>>344325305
I'm no expert on this sales stuff but I really do wonder how well it's gonna do.
>>344298031
I'd rather they kill the series and stop making bad games
that way they can concentrate on other stuff that might be good
>>344325958
Yeah I don't understand what you're trying to say with that information
>>344326058
It's just a estimate chart based on the other games sales I found in another thread a couple days ago. What I said is just what I mean, I just though it'd be fitting to post.
>>344326179
Ah I seen it in another thread and didn't get what it was trying to say
>>344325958
I feel like it will sell from either Okay to Good due to it
1) Being Mario
but
2) Low install base of Wii U
but also
3) reports of people buying more games on the console than reported from PS4/XBone.
>>344298691
>TTYD came out in 2004
>Color Splash is fine with rehashing Sticker Star
4/10 got me to reply.
how is Mario and Luigi Paper Jam compared to Superstar Saga? PiT and BiS were both NOT SSS, they were watered down with lame bros items instead of bros moves
>>344326278
I made the spreadsheet, it's basically comparing how good each game might do if they were on the 3DS by comparing the userbase size and average games sold per system. Specifically it's to test the idea that Sticker Star only sold as well as it did simply because it was on 3DS.
>>344304551
Gonna need a source on that 2D Mario bit
Paper Mario has been dead for a few years now.
>>344298031
Maybe we will finally get SMRPG 2 if it flops hard enough.
>>344327409
>http://www.gamnesia.com/news/tezuka-plans-to-keep-making-2d-mario-games-wants-to-top-new-super-mario-bro
>"Takashi Tezuka (who has been helping design Mario games since the beginning) tackled this topic recently, stating that Nintendo intends to keep making both 3D and 2D Mario games, and in the case of the latter, he wants to do something that will exceed the New Super Mario Bros. games. Tezuka served as producer on all of the games in that series. He couldn't offer any more details on what he was planning to do to top those games (which have combined for around 70 million sales), but he says we may see it "within a few years.""
>>344327038
Superstar Saga is still praised as the best with Partners in Time & Paper Jam being the weakest. Paper Jam has great gameplay & excellent writing for classic bosses (Bowser Jr, Koopalings, King Bob-omb) but it's filled with dumb mini-games (especially the dumb Toad ones), the Paper Craft isn't fun and the story & world are the more generic in the series yet since it's mostly Bowsers kidnaps Princesses with-in the Mushroom Kingdom (Grass, Desert, Snow areas & etc.). Also in your case you'd hate the Bros Moves, they're pretty much more like PiT & BiS, but take even longer to perform (especially if you use Paper Mario's Trio Moves). Overall a fine game, better than Sticker Star but weak Mario & Luigi game.
>>344327659
Thanks
>>344298691
Nice one, kek were had
>>344298031
>Say goodbye to Paper Mario.
I already did.
F.
>>344298691
>Make something similar to an old game
>Anti-Nintendo fans: WOW, FUCK YOU, WHY ALL THE REHASHING. GOD DAMN SO STUPID. NEVER MAKE ANYTHING NEW ALWAYS JUST OLD REHASHED SHIT.
Fixed. Its really just people that hate Nintendo saying that. In fact I will take it further. I enjoyed NSMBWii and NSMBU a lot, and don't give a fuck if they are considered bad rehashes.
Also
>Pretendos
Fuck off Cody.
>>344327659
I hope they can exceed my expectations for that, I'm really cautious on 2D Mario games after NSMB.2.
>>344306335
Hmm, if they are trying to make people cry for toads, it won't work.
>>344324886
Oh I see, in sticker star they killed off the partner so they don't have to use them anymore. So they're logic is, while killing off the bucket since they won't be used in another game again, she wants to make the player cry for said bucket? Wow, such multitasking talent of human emotions! Souless, mechanical, and predictable manipulation of human emotions that is. I am starting to hate this bitch even more then I hate Tabata.
>>344329490
>Oh I see, in sticker star they killed off the partner so they don't have to use them anymore.
Actually, later it's shown she's fine due to a wish, so the sacrifice-scene was totally meaningless.
>>344330087
>>344329490
>>344330376
Holy shit, I didn't know you could do that, that's hilarious. Can you even beat Bowser if you do that?
>>344330659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fi05Hl-ow4
Yes, it's just tedious.
>>344316394
My experience in a nutshell, too. I was even anticipating the chain chomp partner until the second world, where I stopped playing.
>>344331030
I completed the museum thinking the chain chomp was a prize for getting it done.
All those hours... wasted.
>>344299318
Y do u care? If you dont like it leave faggot fanboy nintentoddler
>>344329490
You mean Tanabe?
