>playing serious sam for the first time
>everything about Oasis
>1 gorillion kleers in a circular room
>followed by a room with 10 gorillion frogs
Jesus fuck this game is crazy. Am I a casual for quicksaving after every challenging room or am I really supposed to endure gauntlet after gauntlet where one fuck up kills you? Am I retarded for picking Hard difficulty?
What are the best Serious Sams?
Same boat here. At first I tried to get levels done in one run, but by the time I got to the citadel I was already quicksaving because fuck these levels are long.
Seriously this frog room is fucking cancer.
>dodge like a madman constantly while holding M1
>no matter what you do there's a frog behind you at any time
>take random damage until you die
>>344262438
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
>>344262843
FORGOT PIC
(CAN'T WAKE UP)
doesn't help that i start with 70 hp fuck me
I made the same mistake. Picked hard in my first run, got to the great pyramid saving after every challenge and then i gave up. Literally, i cant get past even by savescumming. And i refuse to play the whole game on an easier mode.
>have had all the serious same games on steam forever
>played 2 before and loved it
>cant find the energy to play through all the games alone
>game night with friends come around
>serious sam is suggested
>~10 people blasting through the 2 first encounters
>faces grinding against the wall of kleers
we all had a serious time, chaotic and good
>>344261797
I think that TSE is better than TFE. But TFE is still great.
TSE>TFE>>>BFE>>>>SS2
>>344263168
just play on normal you fucking idiot
its normal mode, why the fuck would you feel bad playing on the normal mode?
serious sam is a hard game, not the latest piss easy call of duty
feeling challenge isn't a bad thing.
well I scummed it by quicksaving at a point where I was a 3rd of the way there without taking damage but I was getting real tired of that shit.
Would I have liked to beat the frog gauntlet legit? Yes. But I'd like to play the rest of the game more so the french win for now.
>>344263168
This is Serious Sam. You're supposed to be good at shooters to enjoy it. Don't feel bad for playing on normal, the game is fucking insane.
>>344263689
what are you playing it on? A copier machine?!
How rude
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKq_wH1B0pc
>>344261797
>Am I a casual for quicksaving
Yes. It's time to get serious, son. Play normal and stop save scumming.
Your /v/irginity depends on it
>>344262438
>pull out tommy-gun
>crouch in a corner
>press m
>WIN
>>344264031
>that strat
>working
funny joke. I could rocket jump onto the ledge for babby mode though.
>>344263946
Nope i'm just a pleb with only 1 monitor who's watching SGDQ on the left portion of the screen
quicksaves are for when you have to quit mid level or are playing on serious difficulty and haven't gotten good yet.
>>344263950
>Serious Sam
>Boring
Kid's a retard, oh well.
>>344261797
The quick save feature is there for something so don't feel ashamed of using it. Picking hard mode from the get go is not so bad but the game can get quite hairy at times so if you don't feel comfortable with the difficulty, just play it on normal but don't think the game will become piss easy, it will still be challenging but more forgiving, allowing you to become more familiarized with the game and enjoy it a lot more. Now, naturally. after a while you'll start getting more comfortable with the game and with the whole "dancing" part of it, so you will start using less and less quicksaves and you will also start cracking that difficulty up. Just don't get discouraged and keep going at it. The game truly gets amazing when you are dodging everything, knowing that even a few hits or some mistakes can royally fuck you up.
>>344264031
>I have never played Serious Sam above babby difficulty before
>pick up small health item
>it's a secret trap
>walls raise, enemies spawn
well that's just cruel
>>344262896
Rocket jump onto one of the ledges.
As much as I love Serious Sam there are a few (well, quite a few) cheap moments in the game that always annoyed me.
In TFE it was the frog boss battles and pretty much the whole Metropolis level, it just had everything I hated - arachnoids from far away, kleers spawning 10 feet away from you, and not enough ammo at times (if you didn't get the cannon before the kleer corridor you're gonna have a very hard time).
In TSE it was pretty much every gimmicky room, but the one that stands out is the room where enemies bounce from wall to wall and there's wind pushing you. It wouldn't be so bad if the enemies weren't fucking kamikazes and kleers - the two enemies you most definitely don't want to get close to.
>>344264718
>start TFE on Hard for the first time
>everything is fucking faster
>even MORE fucking kleers
Ah, okay then.
I know Serious Sam 2 isn't very popular here but does anyone else prefer SS2's weapons over TFE/TSE?
Recently replayed the first game and holy shit Dunes is fucking perfection.
>Start out right in the action
>Blue Mechanoids so you can still react
>By the time you sent a rocket to each, bulls come out to grab your attention
>That beautiful vista as you leave the desert
>That fucking music
>Whatever is in the arena tells you what's coming
>Rockets: Kleers, Bulls, Red Mechanoids
>Bullets: Kamikazes, Harpies, Blue Mechanoids
>Backpack, fucking everything
>That music transition to make you feel victorious as fuck between waves
It's a shame that once you get the lasergun it burns out and doesn't compare to everything else.
But holy shit I've never appreciated a level so much in my life.
ITT: people who never played doom bitching about an even easier game
>>344269565
>Doom is harder than Serious Sam
Maybe if you're playing only with a keyboard
>that long, giant city corridor where a billion kleers come charging at you
>try shooting everyone
>get overwhelmed and run out of ammo
>manage to go get back across the spike pit
>they stay in front of it, some kill themselves jumping into it, shooting gallery until the pit suddenly closes again and I get raped
>mfw the one time I managed to shoot a path right through them and a hundred claws were scartching my ass
>>344269684
Well I'm playing both with a mouse and keyboard and classic Serious Sam TFE on serious is much easier for me than say Doom 2 on Nightmare!. The pinky just becomes too fast for me to handle. Don't know about Mental diffy yet since I'm such a casual.
tl;dr: in the time I pass one level in DooM I do three in SS.
>>344269701
Metropolis in general wasn't very good.
>arachnoids out the ass
>keyhunting in an area with 20 houses that look the same
>long corridor with thousands of kleers
>even another battle after that
>>344261797
Should've picked serious difficulty senpai. The only correct way to play.
>>344269896
That's more of a controlls issue really. Playing something like GZdoom with a mouse makes the game pretty easy except some really small parts in Doom 2
>>344269919
>>344269128
I noticed Serious Sam has this issue where it has some extra parts that bring the action down.
The first half of Dunes is amazing, but once you go inside the building it's not as good.
Metropolis should have stopped after the Kleer corridor, the battle afterwards doesn't feel as grand or challenging.
In the Grand Cathedral, the part before the exit with the jump pads is just frustrating.
About to start my first Serious playthrough of the games and have but one question.
Is Serious balanced around secrets? I know it changes spawns so I guess it assumes you have the RL and Double Barrel on the first level.
>>344270362
From what I've heard, secrets are pretty much necessary to survive.
Think about the Kleer corridor in Metropolis. Without the cannon, it's fucking hell
>>344270454
Serious does come with double max ammo and ammo pickups
You'd have 999 minigun ammo and a full refill midway, so that's help things.
Though the cannon is such a good lifeline, you'd be mad not to grab it.
One of the many things that makes Serious Sam great is that you can make the games look like something from the Nintendo 64 or a modern AAA game.
>>344270619
Pretty sure the bottom is regular TSE, unless there's a way to change the HUD in HD
>>344270586
I've beaten the game on Normal a few times, but everything is just too fast for me on Hard and Serious.
> I hardly beat the jewel nile on SS3 on hard
Am I just bad?
Why are you guys struggling with in the frog room ? swap to double revolver's and keep moving.
Backwards zig-zag circles.
>>344270806
It's not too bad until get to the final boss, I couldn't get the hang of dodging his hammer AoE so I just backtracked until he got stuck on that pipe and shot him with everything I had.
>>344270920
I got scared at ss3
Like those monkey things jumpin at ya and thr unchangeable volume made me shit myself
God I miss being younger and afraid of nothing
>>344271085
Yeah I really hated the parts with the monkeys as well.
They didn't even do that much damage and didn't attack you directly, so they're just a nuisance.
>>344261797
I fucking love that artist.
>>344271181
Yeah
I got stuck on that part for a looooooong time. Because I didnt go around rhe island too..
>>344261797
Hard is often harder than Serious because of the ammo bonus. For the first run I'd go normal, it's about as engaging, just not as punishing, because the game is built for you to dodge (almost) everything, and health values for monsters are consistent across difficulties.
>>344262438
I have no shame in rocket jumping to the top level every single time.
>>344261797
You'll eventually pick up on things like using the coach shotgun to one shot kleers after side-stepping their leap.
Once you get gud it's like a dance, just weaving between all the shit flying at you, it feels great.
>>344263950
I was sort of interested in his opinion, but then he started sperging out about the tommy gun using the wrong ammunition.
>>344268968
N-No one?
>tfw I've only beaten the game on normal with savescumming
>tfw I will never be serious
>>344272225
I've watched a few of his other videos as well, and he does that in all of them. It's a shame too, because he brings up some good points, but then goes into turbo-autism mode, like complaining about the tommygun not using the correct ammo or saying that the rocket launcher is the gayest looking gun he's ever seen
Classic or HD?
>>344263950
>Those youtube comments saying he made some valid points in this video
>>344261797
you did good choosing hard or normal, most people that play think it's just boring because they play on easy and get bored because of the lack of challenge
>>344272439
As long as you can pin it to 60+ take your pick.
>>344261797
Quicksaving is fine if you're new to them, they're brutal if you don't know them like the back of your hand
>Picking hard
Dude
Dude
Go Serious
>>344270362
When arguing that it wasn't balanced around secrets, I was challenged to complete TFE's second level from a clean start. I did manage it after some grief, but through borderline exploiting (jumping on top a mob of gnaars) and luck. I think that's the only sequence where you are almost required to have either the tommy gun or the RL, and TSE gives you all the tools needed fairly quickly.
>>344272439
HD, exactly the same, just looks nicer.
>>344263950
>pssh, people that like what i don't like are dumb and unenlightened *tips doom 3*
wew
>>344272439
Depends on your taste.
Personally I go for HD because the crosshair is just too big in Classic (although if you play Revolutions you don't have this problem).
Some stages look different in classic and HD, for example Alley of the Sphinxes takes place at sunset in classic, but night in HD.
Some weapon stats have also slightly changed. I prefer HD just because the minigun is OP as hell and I love using it.
Some enemies also look different. The biomechanoids wiggle their tail/bone in classic, but not in HD. Zumb'uls look way different in HD, and the Zorg don't do their alien grunts in HD.
Grenade Launcher's animations are fucked up ini HD too, for some reason.
Really it comes down to personal preference, but I'd say go for HD first.
>>344269896
Nightmare is a joke difficulty, you're not supposed to slaughter everything
Mental is an highscore difficulty, it exists only for the higher score multiplier. It uses the same stats and spawns as Hard, but with every enemy invisible. It's not fun
>>344272386
There's no shame in playing a game on whatever difficulty, so long as you're enjoying yourself.
Frankly I hate the whole "lol u don't play on super-ultra-nightmare-apocalypse mode with a gamecube controller what a loser" mentality when it comes to a lot of shooters.
>>344272939
I really wish Croteam does something with the score in SS4.
I liked that it gave you extra lives in 2. I mean sure it was useless since you had quicksaving, but still, it was nice for it to actually have a use
>>344261797
The game is built around quicksaving every 30 seconds. I'm not surprised they don't already have an automatic save system on a timer because that's how often they spawn armies of kleers and bombers right on my fucking head just for daring to pick up a health item.
>>344273139
While I hate the whole "pick up a pill and spawn 20 kleers" thing, I do appreciate that most of those are at least easy to spot. If it's just a single health pill or armor shard, 9 times out of 10 it's a trap, so it's easy to avoid.
>>344272692
Don't forget that classic has the physics secrets, and sam's movement is different. I find it much easier to get to secrets and other spots with classic than HD
>>344273139
I would think that after a while you'll learn not to grab the pill that's lying in a corner.
>>344273416
Really? I found it easier to get some secrets in HD, like that one in ... fuck, I forgot the name. The level with "AAAAAA Yourself!", right before the entrance to the tomb, where you have to go over a hill to get to a secret area
>>344273284
>>344273439
>Not purposefully picking it up
>Not enjoying that end of level full kills counter
>>344273494
Never had problems with that, but i found it MUCH easier to do some sequence breaking in TSE, especially in the spike tube/outside ziqqurat
Also TFE's first level, i always fuck up the jump to the RL in HD
>>344273675
>sequence breaking
Ah, well, I wouldn't know about that, I always try to complete the levels the legit way
>>344273494
Sand Canyon
>>344272964
I know the sentiment, and it became a meme to ask whether one is serious, but there are solid reasons to encouraging people to go for it eventually.
You get more use out of the power weapons thanks to ammo bonus.
Every tactic from lower difficulties transfers easily, unlike other shooters where you might accumulate bad habits, rediscover time to kill, or have to cheese through hard mode.
New spawns either push execution requirements to their limits, or change the whole flow of the fight with a new enemy type.
To insist that one goes straight to serious difficulty is to rob them of this gradual build up.
Did this thread get Serious Bombed?
