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Why do Paladins suck so hard? Warrior and Dark Knight are the better tanks. How can we fix this?
From what I understand paladins are a defensive focused tank with shit damage, but there's no circumstance in the game where you really need that added defense.
Because DRK is a PLD clone that does everything better than it. DRK needs a rework to be unique so it can work in a party with either PLD or WAR.
>>344219898
KEK
>Paladin
>Worse self-heals than WAR
>Does less damage than both WAR and DRK
>>344220060
The only defensive advatages PLD has over the other two tanks is
Sentinel is 40% mitigation
Hallowed Ground
However, WAR's vengeance is cools down 60 seconds faster than Sentinel, and can be paired with Inner Beast for 50% mitigation. DRK's Shadow Wall is an inferior Sentinel but can be paired with DA Dark Mind for 60% magic damage mitigation.
Hallowed Ground is great, but it's on a 7 minute cooldown. Since Raid fights last on average 12 minutes and at most 14 minutes, you'll only ever use it once, maybe twice. Meanwhile Holmgang is on a 180 second cooldown so you can use it multiple times per fight and Living Dead can effectively last for 20 seconds if you have a WHM to hold Benediction for it (and they both cool down in 300 seconds so they line up perfectly each time).
>>344219898
>want to play this class
>have to grind other 2 classes for cross class skill to be decent in end game.
fuck this game
2.5 second global cooldown
>>344221648
Because getting PLD to 22 and WAR to 26 is so fucking hard these days with a 20% exp boost till 20 and a 30% exp boost till 30. On top of both having instant queues for dungeons.
>>344221784
>tfw go back to WoW for a bit after clearing Midas Savage in XIV as a Bard
>everything feels so fucking slow
Christ.
>>344221810
Don't forget rested XP and armoury bonuses.
You can level really quickly to 30 these days.
>>344220461
drk is basically a extra dps instead of a tank, why does it need to be reworked
>>344221810
>tfw I also have friendship circlet
wtf is this leveling grind people are talking about?
>>344221927
There is also the FC 10% exp boost and the extra 3% from using ANY food item, even the 4 gil ones.
>>344222068
True. Also did you mean the recruit a friend feather thing for the 20% or what?
How do i play drk? I'm approaching 50 and i'm not sure i'm doing it right. First tank job this high.
>>344221989
DRK works better as an MT though, otherwise they loose out on Reprisal and Low Blow Procs. WAR is the extra DPS.
>>344222169
Yes, you can use the friendship circlet and the exp ring from mentor hall for 50% exp till the circlet stops working at 20.
how the fuck do i tank
>>344221810
Nigga I've got a level 60 monk I still haven't gotten my MRD to 22 on because that shit is fucking boring. Lancer to 34 was horrible enough.
>>344222375
Keep the enemies in place and away from your party and don't die.
>>344221898
I'm amazed people still care about WoW. This game is basically what WoW was like before it went to shit.
>>344222226
For aoe
Blood price and spam unleash till Blood Price drops. When you get Abyssal Drain, you use that instead
For single target
You want to quickly establish agro, which will require 1 or 2 rounds of Power Slash. Once that's done, drop grit and alternate between Delirium and DA Soul Eater. While Blood weapon is running you should be able to do 2 DA Soul Eaters for every Delirium.
If your DPS better geared than you and on point, you won't have to luxury of dropping grit.
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>it's a need to pee badly and going blind irl episode
>>344222375
>>344222472
>Loosing out on a 200 potency off global because you can't take a class another 4 levels higher
Just play NIN.
Random WHM here. I've had to deal with essentially tanking a dungeon myself after a tank leaves for whatever reason just by heal spamming myself. How far into this game is this possible? I have done it in shit up to the beginning of HW (just recently got there)
>>344222375
>>344223047
I'd say up to Dusk Vigil while getting to 60. Once you're back in the 60 dungeons up to Antitower/Lost City HM.
>>344221989
>why does it need to be reworke
Because it's a better PLD but can't compete with WAR at all. Groups are going to be PLD+WAR or DRK+WAR 99% of the time. DRK needs a rework because it's the newest job, and all 3 compositions need to be valid (PLD+WAR, DRK+WAR, PLD+DRK). This can't be done just by tweaking DRK's existing skills, it needs something unique.
>>344223043
That's 200 potency every 90 seconds when the target is at 30% or lower health, which generally means 1 goes off before anything is dead. The amount is amazingly small to overall DPS.
>>344222579
It doesn't have enough casual content to keep me busy. I stay subbed for raid night and that's it, i really don't want to grind more lores.
So i decided to try WoW out, what with Legion around the corner.
>>344222648
Shit son, don't go blind by drinking dangerous liquor
>>344222785
>ffxv players need a picture guide
>vanilla wow/EQ players learned all this first time tanking
cute
>>344223150
Can someone post some more of these? My friend is just about to start playing for the first time and he's never played an MMO before.
>>344223150
Bottom left needs to be updated to add nin alongside mnk and drg
Also don't be a shit and start running in circles
>>344223756
i've honestly see more ignorant tanks in vanillawow than all of 1.0/arr/hw
>>344223756
>wowfugees flood into ff14 and still don't understand these basics
Cute
>>344223756
>Implying 99% of players in WoW weren't absolute shit
>>344224134
>Also don't be a shit and start running in circles
I've seen tons of melee dps do this
seriously what the fuck are they doing, why do they constantly run around enemies even though I have everything standing still
>>344224428
Avoiding AoEs that are coming up? Doing positionals? Are they running full circles or just moving from back to flank?
>>344224675
Literally just running around the target constantly, this is leveling roulette so its not like there's anything to dodge.
>>344223756
>ffxv players
The game's not even out yet.
>>344224839
That sounds pretty funny, then. Maybe they're just hyperactive and looking for an excuse to move.
>>344224839
>>344225168
>press numpad 5
>hold D and do rotation
That's probably what they're doing.
>>344224428
Melee dps does it because they get an attack bonus based on their position
That's why the tank is supposed to hold the enemy still, to help them max dps and make things go faster
Some chuckle fuck tanks like to run in circles making the enemy spin which wastes everyone's time
>>344220461
>DRK is a PLD clone
Only complete fucking retards who don't know shit about what they're talking about say this dumbass shit. The two are nothing alike aside from Rampart and Sentinel being like Shadowskin and Shadow Wall along with Shield Swipe and Reprisal being skills that proc off of a block or a parry respectively.
>still no dps that uses a sword
Anyone else think that's a little weird
>>344220461
>DRK is a PLD clone
retard
>>344225651
Not really.
>>344225651
DRGs use a sword attached to a pole
NINs use two small swords
MNKs have swords on their weapons sometimes
BRD shoot small DRG weapons (see above)
>>344225764
Wow, look at all those defensive cooldowns getting popped.
Is there a way to turn off that BCHT! sound when you use a combo? and lower the amount of fucking huge particals?
>>344225764
Man, even with all those particle effects everything looks so boring and underwhelming. How can you fuck up so bad?
>>344225519
>they're nothing alike beside all those skills that are the same
Only thing drk offer more is dark mind, delirium is a int version of halone.
>>344225894
Summoners use folding swords filled with paper swords
Did someone say Final Fantasy Fourteen?
>>344226597
nobody cares
>>344226128
That's because that webm is fucked and only useful for showing what some skills look like. If you're playing DRK that is not how you want to use those skills unless you like looking like a dunce.
>>344226161
Yeah, and the whole bit where they have significantly more attacks with off global cool down anilities like Salted Earth, Plunge, Low Blow, Reprisal, Dark Passenger, and Carve and Spit. Compared to PLD which only has three with Shield.Swipe, Spirits Within, and Circle of Scorn. Darkside is nothing like Sword Oath and having it on gives access to skills that can only be used while it's up, one being Dark Arts which acts as a modifier for skills for a large amount of MP. That's just scratching the surface too. They're nothing alike.
>>344226597
i'm sorry kyoushi
>>344225519
It is, though. They play almost the same. They spend the majority of the fight cycling between 2 combos (though I guess Scourge is a Fracture clone instead). DRK got a stat debuff just like PLD. DRK's cooldowns are all off-GCD like PLD's (plus Shadowskin is a direct copy of Rampart and Shadow Wall is an untraited Sentinel). Grit was identical to Shield Oath at HW release. Unleash is a Flash that does damage. Syphon Strike is Riot Blade. It's blatantly obvious that SE took PLD's skillset, tweaked it a bit, and swapped out a few skills for more off-GCDs.
>doing more dps than the entire group as a sch
thank god this class exists so I can carry and heal at the same time
>>344226983
I have a deep fascination for the lives of these people. It's remarkable that they constantly get people they can fuck over.
>>344226597
Just when you thought nothing could top /ksg/
>>344219898
>fucking the dark knight
>not the delicious roegadyn pally
>>344227096
They don't play the same at all. Stop trying to push this dumb bullshit when you have no idea what you're talking about. Grit is bot like Shield Oath either. It costs significantly more MP and prevents DRK from using Blood Weapon along with making Souleater heal. Shield Oath is just the damage reduction and accuracy boost.
>>344227218
>pet does all the work
>look guys, I'm helping
>>344227456
I can play DRK better than anyone in this thread. It's incredibly badly designed and definitely feels like PLD.
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>>344227449
>fucking anything
We don't. Pally had their time to shine for a long ass time, and it fills me with joy that those useless players finally need to learn how to git gud to stand out now.
>>344227686
No you can't. I play all three tanks and I can say for certain based on the dumb shit you've posted that you can't play DRK let alone play it better than me or anyone else in this thread.
I got to the 7th floor of the Aquapolis for the first time today, only to wipe because of Arges. I immediately got to it again on the next map and managed to win though so it's all good.
>>344226983
>>344227218
When people are doing less than 1K dps it's easy.
>inb4 4.0 is exactly like 2.0 and 3.0
/v/ might suck Yoshida's dick the most but it's going to start tasting nasty eventually
>>344227728
aren't you fucking your hand when you masturbate?
>>344227882
>People actually wiping in Aquapolis
>>344227559
Hey now, sometimes I actually have to pop off my pet's healing cooldown or sustain because the tank is losing agro to the fairy.
>>344227825
When? WAR was better than PLD pre-ARR and when ARR launched and WAR was worse they cried like little bitches so hard and so much the very next patch significantly buffed WAR more than any other job has been buffed to this day putting them right back ahead of PLD like they were pre-ARR. WAR players are the biggest crybabies bar none.
>>344227876
But I can. Only retards think DRK is well designed in any way.
>Instead of Blind make the PLD trait give a DoT component
>Goring Blade ticks have a chance to reset Spirits Within
>Lower cooldown and increase tether range of Cover
>Covering a target shares buffs, including FoF
>Make Clemency instant but with a 30 or 60 second cooldown
>Shield Swipe is AoE but only pacifies the primary target
>>344228038
In my defense we went in with 3 people and the healer was lagging
>>344228173
WAR was literally broken because it couldn't tank anything relevant. PLD just did a little bit less DPS but PLD players whined so much that Yoshi even removed the choice of STR accessories to balance tank DPS.
>>344228209
No you can't retard
>>344228245
>Instead of Blind make the PLD trait give a DoT component
Just make Blind work on bosses
>Goring Blade ticks have a chance to reset Spirits Within
Why not
>Lower cooldown and increase tether range of Cover
Why not but not a huge buff
>Covering a target shares buffs, including FoF
Pretty neat concept
>Make Clemency instant but with a 30 or 60 second cooldown
Useless
>Shield Swipe is AoE but only pacifies the primary target
Why not
>>344228325
They didn't make that change because of PLDs idiot, they made it because of shitter healers whining about it being "too hard to heal" and other bullshit about how they thought tanks should have to stack health even though tank busters were tuned around the lower health pools before the change.
>>344228256
>3 people
God damn, i might have understood a bit if you went in with only 2, but 3? Get the fuck outta here.
>>344228615
Because the biggest issue with PLD now is that its abysmal AoE makes nobody want to bring it on any fight with adds or any dungeon content ever. A DoT would solidify them as a distinct DoT tank rather than just copying Unleash.
>>344227909
>>344226983
Do these people ever get tired? All of that bullshit looks exhausting as fuck. I'd just block the faggot and let 'em talk to a wall.
>want to move to balmung for rp hijinks and generally fucking around not getting anything done
>want to move to gilgamesh to jump straight into raid content
fucking hell lads where do I go
Ex was one of the best white mages on the server and This was my first mmo, and I was a decent pal.
No wonder why he left, I was useless, even in game.
>>344229078
Despite the memes Balmung does raid and its not like you're gonna just dive into progression savage content overnight.
>>344228245
Or just make scorn cd 15 seconds.
>>344229078
You can find RP on Gilgamesh.
You can find raiding on Balmung.
>tfw exodus
>tfw don't want to pay 20 dollars to transfer since I don't know which server I even want to go to
>>344229078
Not Balmung
>tfw Q for roulette and get matched with a group that starts erp in the dungeon
>>344229078
Both of those servers are bad cancer servers
>>344228913
No, fuck off. PLD isn't meant to have aoe damage. PLDs liked to brag about their Hallowed and block for trash pulls in ARR, they can stick with that. DRK should lose its aoe too and get something unique.
>>344228913
Well, PLD used to be good in dungeons because it could tank an astounding amount of mobs without dying but now that they put gates every 2 or so packs they're useless.
IMO they shouldn't give it AoE damage because it would make him too similar to other tanks. Just give them a way to buff/debuff like a Salted Earth that reduces the defense of enemies in it or something. Make PLD a true Tank/Support hybrid.
>>344223527
If your problem with FFXIV was lack of content you're going to get tired of WoW pretty quickly.
Unless you've literally never played the game before, in which case there's a nearly endless amount of content.
But that's the case for both games really.
>>344229078
Kill yourself for even considering them.
>>344229541
This is a meme. PLD isnt any more 'defensive' than the other two tanks except for HG they can pop like once MAYBE twice per run.
>>344229402
Forgot to add that you should avoid the entire data center those two servers are on, not just the servers themselves
>>344229505
Fucking crybaby WAR shitters aren't even content being overpowered broken pieces of shit they have to have even more and everyone else should have even less.
>>344229402
>>344229679
I don't care, I want a server with a lot of people on at all times.
>still living in 3.1
deep dungeon soon
I can finally play dps classes without falling asleep waiting for ques
>>344230172
You know damn well you arent going to get anywhere significant in there let alone efficiently without a normal setup.
>>344229716
It's "more defensive" because it Clemency, Divine veil, cover, stoneskin, passive block and parry on top of all the other tanks. The reason this doesn't mean shit is because the game revolves around DPS. If DPS is no issue, then PLD is in fact more "defensive" and safer by a mile.
>>344219898
But PLD and DRK are almost identical in DPS, while Paladin offers group support like Divine Veil and Clemency. Look on FFLogs at parses between both PLD and DRK and they're very close.
>>344229361
why transfer away from exodus? it's a good server.
I've never enjoyed healing, but SCH looks interesting.
Should I go for it once I hit 60 as BLM or go MCH as planned.
>>344229979
Fuck you, all 3 tanks should have their own strengths. WAR's is dps, so PLD and DRK can fuck off and find something else.
>>344229391
Never had that happen in 2 years.
I really love the look of PLD but I wish they made the job more exciting to play.
The only excitement I ever get from playing PLD is when the healer disconnects in the middle of the fight and we try to finish it with me spamming Clemency like a madman.
>>344231116
Warrior fags should just play a dps role like they want to, or it should be reclassified
We all know they only picked it for the low Q times anyway
>>344231116
Except they all have roughly even defense and WAR is the highest single and group DPS while also having the easiest transition between stances.
>>344230818
I think it's pretty fun to play since you get to heal and do a bit of DPS as well, you'll have to start off as an Arcanist which is a DPS class though.
Bonus to leveling SCH allows for you to also lvl up ARC and SMN at the same time, so that's two other jobs out of the way.
>>344231184
I envy you
The whole thing made me feel dirty and used, like they got off on having a captive audience
>>344230818
I would say go MCH becuase SCH can AFK follow the tank for like all of the leveling dungeons and be fine
Because XIV is so shallow, both mechanically and algorithmically, that the only thing that matters in combat is DPS. So classes that can do the most DPS beat out other classes. The same reason SCH is in every party composition, and why you'd always bring a WAR or DRK before a PLD
If you're not getting one shot, you're not really dying in XIV. And one shot mechanics aside from predictable tank busters can't be mitigated. So you don't need the defense in the least. The best way to lower tank damage in XIV is to push phases and kill the boss faster
>>344229581
The trick is to play both. When i get tired of WoW's content, XIV probably has new stuff to do.
>its a pld stoneskins everyone one by one, casts divine veil at the start and ready checks before every pull run
24 man Frontlines queue mode when?
>>344231631
Nobody does that
I refuse to believe that is possible and that the entire party wouldn't drop the group
>>344231631
few months ago i had a whm stand outside the boss gate and refuse to heal the tank because nobody was waiting for the stone skin 2 cast to finish
kicked them immediately
>>344231821
youd be surprised how spergy some people can be over their stupid ready check
>Tanking low level dungeons
>Marking enemies
>Learning how to identify bigger threats
>Stunning abilities
>Hate is actually somewhat close and difficult to maintain
>Tanking high level dungeon
>literally just bumrush everything
>no marking, no stunning, no thought
>Spam aoe hate, nothing even comes close to being pulled from you
I was kind of enjoying the game until I hit 50, and now
>>344221445
>The only defensive advatages PLD has over the other two tanks is
Block(Sheltron) and Rage of Halone are also up there. Clemency is also good in the rare situation that you can use it for heals. Cover is also great for canceling stacks if you want to keep the WAR in place while the PLD fucks off on bomb duty or whatever.
>However, WAR's vengeance is cools down 60 seconds faster than Sentinel
Irrelevant because fights are built around all tank timers so that they will always have a buff up.
>and can be paired with Inner Beast for 50% mitigation.
Sheltron does the same thing for single target attacks, but at about 60% mitigation.
>Meanwhile Holmgang is on a 180 second cooldown so you can use it multiple times per fight and Living Dead can effectively last for 20
Extra Holmgang use is only good for eating busters in Deliverence, better to just mitigate if you're in Defiance. And Living Dead has a 10 second buffer window to make it easier, but that big hit is still "killing" you at the exact same time in the fight. You have an effective 10 full seconds of Living Dead where a PLD has 7-3 of Hallowed due to popping in advance, but the PLD still requires less support there.
Only bother playing PLD over DRK or WAR if I'm expecting garbage healers though. Nerfing everything into the ground to keep WAR MT relevant ruined the tank game.
>>344231631
>they also stand still for 5 seconds before every pull, marking the order on which trash mobs to attack first
>>344231398
>Bonus to leveling SCH allows for you to also lvl up ARC and SMN at the same time
That makes it sound more interesting
>>344231497
But that's not how the whole job feels, right? I still want to be active and not just sit there and stare at bars the whole time
>>344231631
As someone who unironically enjoys playing PLD, the only time I use Stoneskin is after a healer raises a dead person before a phase change like from Sephiroth 2 to 3 or from Nignog 1 to 2 on top of Divine Veil and stuff.
If it's a AST/SCH combo I might throw in a Stoneskin at before start to help speed that process up. But yeah anyone who wastes Divine Veil prior to pulling is bound to waste your time.
>>344232181
Your pet literally does all the work for you
Sch and smn are the crutch classes
>>344232148
>Sheltron does the same thing
The problem with Sheltron is that it's not on a 3 second timer like it should be, it's a damn near impossible to time "block next attack" and usually gets wasted on auto attacks if you pop it too early or after the tank buster if you pop it too late.
>>344229981
There are other high pop servers.
>>344232181
You might as well just turn on cleric stance and DPS for 1-50 because your fairy and solo heal most stuff not sure bout heavenswards
>>344232148
>Nerfing everything into the ground to keep WAR MT relevant ruined the tank game.
XIV has never had a strong tank game. Mechanically it's probably one of the least interesting tank metas I've seen in an MMO.
>>344231412
You could have just left. Or reported them, that would've been better.
Haha just kidding fucking SE doesn't do anything about reports.
>>344232546
Like what, the only other one I know of is Leviathan
>>344232067
...Why wouldn't they just insta-cast that shit? I do it all the time between pulls.
How good is AST, really? They seem to get shit on, but they've got a few things that make them stand out to me
Disable is really good. Really, really good. And Synastry is easily the best healing cooldown in the game. Noct aspected benefic has a higher based shield potency than Adlo, and Essential Dignity is one of the most versatile and useful off gcd healing skills
>>344232131
You just didn't realize how bad you were, shitter.
>>344232873
A large amount of people dont have insta-cast because they are too lazy to level BLM
>>344232674
>leave
>wait for penalty timer count down
>wait for dps q times
I may as well have logged out and called it a night at that point
>>344232512
>>344232556
Sounds likeLucioThat's probably where Bliz got the idea from
>>344232067
>mfw queue as a tank with stoneskin on me
>everyone has protect already, whm begins stoneskin 2 but everyone moves on ahead anyway
>drops immediately, we get another healer in a couple of seconds
Just stoneskin the tank you morons, why does anyone else need it
>>344233037
despite what the memers say they're all right
it's just funny how their gimmick of pulling cards and buffing sucks, great job yoshi
>>344230393
>clemency
cant cast it when you're getting destroyed by moves.
>stoneskin
same problem as clemency except its much, much worse.
>cover
doesnt make you take any less damage
>passive block
Bingo. This thing is actually godlike in aoe because its a permanent buff except it only works on physcial and on things that target you.
>parry
All 3 tanks have this except they parry more than PLD because raw intuition and dark dance.
They trade aoe for blocking. Its a shit trade but thats what PLDs have to deal with.
And the arguement that PLD tanks better in aoe pulls. While this is true in a long term fight, WAR wins out in the short term battles because vengeance is infinitely better than anything PLD has, including hallowed for aoe, and berserk+ overpower will make it so the mobs will melt on top of your DPS's combined aoe. The self healing is also just as good as blocking in this case because of all of the damage you're doing, and it allows for your healer to dps for as long as you have your vengeance up.
>>344233298
Those aoes are rough on drg
>>344233357
>cant cast it when you're getting destroyed by moves.
Clemency can't be interrupted unless the mob stuns or silence you.
>>344232131
You didnt need to do that in lowbie dungeons, you chose to.
>>344233247
At the very least I hope you reported them.
>>344232148
> Nerfing everything into the ground to keep WAR MT relevant ruined the tank game.
WAR is better at tanking than any of the other tanks. If they made fights catered entirely to WAR CDs, PLD and DRK wont be able to sustain.
>liked BRD
>don't want to pay a monthly fee
>friends all stopped playing anyway
Oh well, glad I didn't spend any money on it
>>344233298
>not swiftcasting stoneskin2
garbage healer did you all a favor
But anyway I stoneskin the whole party since theres bound to be someone who fails to dodge an AoE
Do you think they'll manage to make 4.0's classes feel at all unique or different? Because 3.0's classes as far as mechanical diversity were a huge letdown
>>344233970
>Swiftcasting Stoneskin II
That could have gone to an Aero III anon
>>344233879
Monthly fee for maintenance is bullshit, but it does keep the riffraff out
Can someone explain Chocobo breeding to me?
>>344234840
Do you know how a cloaca works
>>344234983
I was expecting that.
>People bitching in shout chat about not having a house in Balmung STILL
>Brag about having 3 houses
>Shout chat gets triggered
>Tell them I deserve it because I worked harder for them
>"Dude I've been playing since 1.0 and still don't have a house that's bullshit, you're part of the problem"
>"I've only been playing a year and have 3. You must be doing something wrong."
>Other people bitch about having to pay 10-15m+ for a small house
>"Move to a less populated server if it bothers you so much, plenty of houses to be had"
>"B-b-but my friends are here!"I don't even own a house
>>344234840
https://ffxivchocoboracing.wordpress.com/
Be advised that this guide is out of date with the latest buffs that made it easier to breed. Particularly it still thinks you have to roll for high level abilities when the books were added.
>>344235627
Thank you.
>>344228615
they should make it so blind works on bosses and doesn't having diminishing timers when applied
>>344235559
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>>344235559
>Could have bought a medium house for 18 mill back in 2.5
>Bought my current medium house in 3.2 for 32 mil
>Latest batch of houses had my plot on the new wards for 18 mil
Feel kinda stupid. Should have just bought one of the new small plots and gotten 80% of my downpayment back but I have a bunch of permanent furniture in my current house.
>>344235559
I actually do have 3 houses, anon. 1 in each citystate.
If someone has been playing since 1.0 and still doesn't have a house they obviously didn't want one bad enough. I earned the 12 million gil to buy my first one off another player in 3 weeks of materia farming before HW launched.
>>344235559
I was lucky and managed to pick up a good small plot from someone who was server transferring in my FC. It's right next to a retainer bell and a marketboard. It's also extremely easy to get on the roof of this house with minimum furniture.
>>344236624
Why does every faggot feel the need to sit on their roof?
>Time travel in Alexander
Hang on.
>>344236992
Autism
>>344235627
>>344235839
>Winning a race in R-300 (the highest racing class) gets you upwards of 1,000 MGP per win
Is this still accurate?
>>344219898
except for midas paladin was the superior progression tank
>>344236996
why the fuck wasnt that established in gordias and why wasnt that used as the reason for savage instead of yoshis self insert
>>344219898
PLD here, take that shit back.
>>344233357
I didnt say it was well implemented, nor am i arguing that its good game design. I'm just explaining why people say it's "the defensive" tank.
>>344231497
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
>Know someone who has MS6 gear
>Whenever I do things with them they do less than 800DPS
>As a monk
>Do 0.0 DPS as a healer
I don't know if they bought a carry or if they're lazy or some shit but you have to be pretty bad to be doing under 1K DPS as a monk.
>>344239219
>PLD here
is that suppose to mean something?
>>344230464
Just did and PLDs are leagues below DRK in DPS, and even then why would fflogs post prog even matter when everyone in the top 20 has catered to their DPS?
Are you going to buy XIV for the NX?
>>344240604
>capped lore
>got my weekly drop in Ark/Weeping
>still no t enough to finish 230-240 build
So what the fuck I'm suppose to do now?
>>344240881
>XIV for another console again
God, please no. The PS3 is already so bad.
If they want more players then how about they make this game not so shit.
>tfw can only play one class and not very well either
>>344241716
>So what the fuck I'm suppose to do now?
Find a static and start doing Savage. If you're spending your time doing weeklies for gear but you don't raid what the fuck is the point?
If you don't want to raid because you've already seen the story in normal mode on the first day of the patch maybe you should consider quitting the game.
>>344240217
My poverty MNK does almost twice that
>>344242202
I know that feeling. Hopefully when SAM or BLM/RDM gets added I can find my second class
>playthe Feastfor first time in while
>that feeling when team clean win as WAR going 4/0/7
Bless thee, oh Berserk Fell Cleave. I'm actually glad the Feast is around because while I don't mind running Frontline for one of my roulettes, the fact that the Flames are shit on my datacenter doesn't help a lot so my interest in PvP would be waning otherwise.
>>344243978
tbf I haven't even leveled a HW class yet but they all look very underwhelming
>>344243978
They'll make SAM and RDM ranks because they have swords.
>>344244270
Where do I even go to unlock the feast?
>>344243716
Can't find a static.
Raid finder is useless.
>>344226128
He's attacking a pole. It's not very exciting for anyone, I'm afraid.
>>344241716
Try crafting.
>>344226128
The particle effects are the fucking worst part because it blinds you in combat when everyone is spamming their bullshit
>Expected to see markers over my head as a Lala when surrounded by giants shooting off fireworks into the camera
This game can seriously fuck off sometimes.
>>344243872
Monks SHOULD be doing around 1600-1800. There's a remarkable amount who can barely do 1K.
>>344245575
Crafting is the most useless thing in the game because SE refuses to unseat raids and their shitty token drops for all BiS pieces.
>>344245006
Pretty sure you go to the same guy on the boat in the Wolves Den where you unlocked the Fold, so at the end of the hallway with all the PvP merchants.
>>344245673
You can turn off the particle effects.
They're still gay, though.
>>344245673
>playing a lala
>>344245757
I don't understand how unless they literally never do positionals or use OGCs
>>344245929
But you don't have the option to turn off particle effects while leaving on spell effects.
>>344245958
>party has two monks in alexander
>oh boy that means I won't have to use dragon kick
>other monk only has it up 50% of the time
>>344245781
I took up crafting just to be self sufficient. I leveled a second character to 60 and when they got there, I didn't need to spend Jewish amounts of gil to someone else to fully gear them up in 220 shit.
That and having 200m+ gil to RMT when I eventually quit will be nice.
>>344246203
>Another MNK in PT with obvious better gear than mine
>Tell him I'll keep up DK so he can focus on DPS
>"Lol I can't dude, muscle memory!"
>He keeps up DK while I just DPS
Some people are too autistic to adapt on the fly I guess.
there's really no reason not to be able to play everything at a competent level
>>344226161
While they are similar to PLDs, with a hint of WAR, they can also feel quite different at the same time.
(Though they spend most of their leveling playing a lot like PLD, and then finally at the end, get the core abilities needed to feel different)
Here is an example of how they are different.
You have an ability for a class, and then the new class is very similar, and when you look at it individually, it looks similar enough to claim its a clone.
Ability 1, and ability 1.33
but over the course of many "slightly" different, but mainly the "same" abilities, you get different results.
1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 10
When you try to repeat 1.33 ten times, you end up rounding 1.33 down to just 1, and say its the same as 1x10.
But 1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33+1.33 = 13.3, not 10.
The abilities differences do make a different challenge to overcome, in order to function as a tank.
Now looking at an example in an MMO with more tanks, WoW has the Monk tank, which right now, tends to take more over all damage than the other tanks.
But it just needs to lower the over all amount of damage taken at key moments (such as tank busters) in order to complete all content, which it does, despite taking more over all damage.
>>344246412
Yeah, I'm just as bad as him, I always have to practice just about EVERYTHING, before I end up doing it. (And even then, muscle memory kicks in at least 10% of the time, and once i accidentally touch that button, i cant undo it.)
>>344246203
>>344246412
>Play DRG
>never have to give a shit what the party comp is
DRG master race.
>>344245958
Your guess is as good as mine. I just tested it out, and I got 1116.91 DPS at iLevel 223 on my monk by doing nothing but bootshine>True Strike>Snap Punch. No positionals, no food, no OGCD or buffs - nothing.
>>344247278
>Play NIN
>WAR let's Storm's Eye drop all the time
1 FUCKING JOB YOU WORTHLESS NIGGER
WHAT DO YOU THINK I HAVE SHADEWALKER ON YOU AND SMOKESCREEN ON THE NIGGER GETTING THE MOST HATE FOR
FUCKING REE
>>344240604
>he thinks its just the top 20 with doctored parses
>>344219898
Some bosses are almost entirely magical damage, or the most damaging attacks are magical. During progression these fights use DRK as main tank to better do that job because paladins dont have MDEF buffs and their shield is ignored by magic. Paladin are used in the same way for fights that are entirely more Physical oriented. Warrior are good pretty much anywhere but you usually don't want a WAR MT in a lot of progression raids due to how they aren't as defensive and require after the fact mitigation to soften blows... plus they're better OT so they can DPS more.
DRK suffers an identity crisis outside of this despite being the most fun tank to play.
>>344247553
>tfw this and autsitic openers requiring a pull macro is why I stopped playing NIN
>>344247553
Storms Eye is a dps gain for both WAR over the emnity combo anyway when its applied
They should really always have it up
>>344247553
Just smoke screen the tank for making your job harder
>>344226983
Reading that wall of text was worth it just for based Elliott Fairchild.
>>344226983
>All these retarded ideas that people mention when it comes to balancing
>None of them involve touching precious WAR and SCH mains who are obviously OP because they they'd throw a shitfit
Grow the fuck up you bunch of babies, the only logical way to balance the tanks is to tone WAR down a bit. It's not a MUH IDENTITY crisis, DRK plays nothing like PLD does and you'd know this if you'd actually play the game.
Why people insist two jobs that are hilariously poorly designed (WAR and SCH) should never be toned down but that the two other jobs that are relatively even balance wise (AST/WHM, PLD/DRK) need to be buffed and have SE spend an eternity balancing them.
>B-but that wouldn't be fair, it's never a good idea to nerf jobs
Too fucking bad, job balance isn't about hurt feelings and boo boos.
>>344228615
>Clemency would be useless
>But instant cast Equib which is techinically less powerful and does the same thing is poweful
lolwhat
>>344248918
>nerf SCH and WAR
>they're still taken in every group because nobody can fill their role
They're OP because they are the only ones in their class role with their identity. Sure, AST can try to be a SCH but no fairy or deployment tactics makes it pretty fucking obsolete. DRK would be an okay OT if it could get reprisal procs still, but WAR is king of TO because PLD and DRK are terrible in comparison.
Reminder that nobody thought PLD was "weak" until DRK came into the picture and this concept of a 3rd tank in a game that requires 2 for main content was brand new.
>hey sch, you know cleric stance doesn't decrease your fairy heals right?
>you can dps really easy with it
>I don't use cleric stance
>>344249521
Reminder it's ok to vk non-dpsing healers whenever you can. If we all work together on this maybe we can get rid of these netflix&heal slackers once and for all.
>>344249341
>Nobody can fill their role
Here's the thing, they can. It's just that WAR and SCH are so fucking broken that it makes no sense to take PLD or DRK or AST over them.
People sperg on and on about how WAR is invincible, how it's amazing because it can shit out so much DPS, but the average difference between DRK and WAR as OT is 100 DPS.
The difference between PLD and WAR is about 200 DPS or so.
That's it. People meme about it and make it seem like there's this grand 400 DPS difference between them and that makes WAR irreplaceable, but the only thing that WAR is REALLY brought for (aside from slightly better DPS) is Storm's Eye.
Saying that PLD and DRK are "terrible" at OTing is the same memeing shit that people spout without really knowing the difference between them.
Contrary to popular belief, the tanks aren't all that inherently unbalanced DPS wise; it's the fact that WAR brings better DPS AND better party utility that makes it broken.
The healers, on the other hand... well, the healers are WAY more unbalanced that the tanks are. SCH is just a monster. WAR might not need a nerf, but SCH DEFINITELY needs one.
>>344231116
WAR's advantage is that it's the easiest tank to play with the highest DPS and best survivability due to self heals. DRK has better magic tanking but otherwise there's no reason to run the other tanks unless you just don't like playing the most overpowered class in the game
>>344250285
Pretty sure WAR would have to lose Storms Eye to really put it on the same field as the other tanks in terms of OT'ing. Probably wouldn't be a big deal seeing as NIN is a staple in every raid group. DRK would also need a reliable way to reprisal as OT, and PLD would need some alterations to their utility that encourages DPS like the other tanks(clemency instant but on a cd, cover extending buffs, ect)
>>344248918
You can fix SCH by deleting Arcanist and rebalancing the job without a kit from a literal DPS class.
Also remove the cross class system for being a useless heap of shit.
WAR is fine-ish compared to SCH, and the only thing they should do is make DRK and PLD better.
>>344248918
>WAR and SCH are the only good jobs in the game with both a fun and varied ability to play that totally depends on the situation you're in
>Everyone just wants to nerf them instead of making the other gorillion cookie cutter jobs less bad
>>344251406
exactly
you want to make the other jobs feel interesting and powerful, not hurt people's favorites
>>344250285
>Wow SCH is a little too powerful compared to this new healer we're adding
>What do?
>How about we give them a new filler dps skill with twice the potency of ruin
>Oh and a way to make the entire party invincible for 30 seconds or so
>And also they can now do aoe healing better than ever before
>But how will AST compete?
>How about subpar shields and RNG cards that might be useful sometimes?
>Perfect
>>344251406
>WAR and SCH are the only good jobs with both a fun and varied ability to play
...but this is totally wrong.
>Everyone just wants to nerf them.
lol, so it's:
>WAR IS SO GOOD GUISE OMG
>WAR IS IRREPLACEABLE LEL FUCK PLDS
>GUISE OMG SCH IS SOO OP
>CHECK OUT MY DEPLOYED CRITLO LOLOL
>Yoshi P: Hey, you're right, these jobs are unfairly balanced. I should nerf them.
>OMG WTF THANKS FOR THE FUCKING HOMOGENIZATION YOSHIDA YOU FUCKING HACK
You can't have it all, unfortunately.
Also
>Other jobs
>Cookie cutter
Literally who are you trying to meme
The only job you could only pass this off for is AST and even then people spout the "AST is WHM with cards" shit without even knowing how they place; just because a few of their abilities are similar doesn't mean they play anything alike.
And by your definition, WAR is also cookie cutter.
Nothing about WAR is special or unique. It was special and unique in 2.0 and guess what? It was garbage. The only way WAR was going to survive in this game was by making it a cookie cutter version of PLD and giving it tons of defensive cooldowns.
>>344228173
A significant number of WAR players I've discussed tank balance with believe that Warrior should remain the star tank of all of Heavensward and the other 2 tanks should never compare to it, their justification for this is tha 3 month period at ARR launch when WAR was an actually bad class. Fuckers are so invested into their overpowered class they'll invent any justification for why it needs to remain that way.
Since people here talk about it so often, how do you guys see the DPS rate of other players?
Is it a command I missed or something?
>>344252508
advanced combat tracker
>>344252092
>...but this is totally wrong.
Okay dude, what can the other 2 tanks do when not actively tanking?
WAR can switch to deliverance and drop some spicy fell cleaves, while PLD can dump itself into sword oath and get a tiny auto attack bonus, while DRK just turns off grit and does it's stupid bullshit, so you're telling me that WAR having more and better tools is bad because PLD and DRK are too shit to compete, so the natural conclusion is not to make DRK and PLD have a similar utility, but to remove WAR's?
Wow dude, that idea is such shit that you should be a lead dev on this miserable game.
Deployment Tactics is the only thing that should actually be adjusted, because it's basically a stronger version of tank LB3 if you buff it enough, which you think would be clearly obvious before even implementing into the game, but I guess not because only hacks and frauds run this shit.
>>344252297
WAR isn't even a main tank in HW, which makes DRK the star tank of HW.
>>344252865
The only reason WAR isn't used as a main tank is because of how insanely good it is as off tank and how utterly terrible PLD and DRK are at offtanking in comparison. If stacking classes didn't punish your LB build up 2xWAR raid comps would be a lot more common.
>>344252723
>Wow dude, that idea is such shit that you should be a lead dev on this miserable game.
Show me where I said that. I never even remotely implied that. Stop putting words into my mouth. WAR getting nerfed =/= removing Storm's Eye.
WAR and DRK and PLD are not unique and special in any way. They do small things differently, sure, but in the end the result is relatively the same, with the exception being that WAR does slightly more DPS than the other two.
If you want to give PLD and DRK more DPS, that's fine by me. But don't pretend that WAR is some special snowflake of a class just because it can pop on an OT stance and drop some Fell Cleaves in.
Either way, it shouldn't be left in its OP state forever. Same with SCH.
>>344253056
So make the other 2 better at OT instead of giving them crappy pity skills?
>tfw literally the only reason WAR hasn't been nerfed is because devs are aware than WAR players are the most thin-skinned cunts in the game and would probably desub en masse if they couldn't flaunt their retarded overpowered class that's easier to play than Dark Knight.
Only autistic AST mains who want to be able to fill in both roles for some reason cry about how SCH is overpowered. You've already pushed WHM out you dickwads.
>>344253292
>Deployment tactics
>Not overpowered.
>>344253108
The only logical conclusion for this game, because it's so mechanically shallow, is to just make all the classes have the same abilities with different names and animations, because no matter what you do otherwise there will always be an imbalance, especially with things like Storm's Eye that enable not only your personal DPS, but that of 2 other party members as well, which could easily be avoided by having the new tank using blunt or piercing weapons instead of slashing which they can in turn enable MNK/BRD/MCH/DRG with in order to create a sense of balance to implement for your particular raid setup, but this game will never EVER be future proofed as has been evidenced by it's entire development cycle.
Or you just make the game operate in a manner where DPS is not the end-be-all goal for literally every job, but good luck with that.
>>344253149
Unfortunately at this point I think salvaging Paladin would require a partial redesign that they're unwilling to do, I feel the devs live in constant fear of the 2.0 2xPLD meta making a comeback and also stubbornly stuck to their idea that Paladin should be a noob-friendly tank to the point it entirely lacks any mechanics of its own.
>>344253345
Have you done A8S? It's bloody damn necessary. And it's on a 2 minute cooldown anyway.
>>344246537
How the fuck is your SMN so different from your BLM they share equipment
>>344253190
Dark Knight is a bad job that should never have been implemented as a tank, and instead should have materialized as a DPS with PLD gaining magic damage mitigation skills.
>>344253108
I don't see what is so overpowered about an off-tank actually being able to contribute worth a shit during the time he is not tanking. The problem is largely just that paladin and dark knight don't have anything equivalent since the developers like to pretend anything matters other than DPS rushes in this game.
>>344253468
The game has always had balance issues, yes, but the current situation with WAR and SCH is unique in that these classes have been known to be brokenly overpowered for the entire expansion, with the devs unwilling to adjust them down due to fear of causing people to leave the game in an autistic fit. There's things, like critlo deployment tactics, which can't be solved by just buffing the other classes because it completely breaks the scale, nothing Nocturnal AST does will ever compare unless they straight out give them the same retarded skill.
>TFW you will never have a fun MMO again because people care more about maintaining """""""balance""""""" for the 1% of players who do autistic endgame jumprope memory games instead of making classes interesting
>>344253562
Dark Knight is poorly designed, but its definitely harder to play than WAR, its just that half of the difficulty of DRK is dealing with atrocious button bloat and non-synergistic skills.
>>344253829
>muh classes should be interesting meme
>one of the tanks adds 5 minutes to the duration of a dungeon simply by virtue of being there, with no skill being able to compensate for it
>muh fun
fuck off
>>344253830
>its just that half of the difficulty of DRK is dealing with atrocious button bloat
I feel like this is most of the difficulty of every class other than BLM. I don't know why we need so many fucking attacks.
>>344253738
Nobody is arguing in favor of Deployment Tactics because everyone knows it's retarded.
Blame the devs for not testing the obviously broken skills they added in the first expansion of the fucking game.
Wanna know how they could fix it? Make healing buffs only effect the single target you adlo, while the deployed one spreads out unbuffed so you can't spread a 10k shield to your party.
>>344253738
So it's a retarded skill because it does something that other classes can't do rather than just being a different number. Okay cool.
